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Who are the geniuses of naruto. out of all the former genin


Personally i think that these are the geniuses

Neji
Lee
Sasuke
Shikamaru
Naruto

lol at Naruto and Lee (particularly Lee.)

Naruto.... A genius? Now I know I've heard everything.

naruto learned mass shadow clone jutsu within hour, rasengan within days and he also took the fourth hokage's technique farthur than the fourth could himself.

Lee is a taijutsu master, a natural master at the drunken fist, and he can open 5 of the 8 inner gates. Kakashi also says both lee and naruto are geniuses


things not many ninja can do especially at their age

Naruto is a genius. Every single time someone teaches Naruto a mvoe, they are always surprised at how fast he learns it. Sage mode, Rasengan, shadow clone. He does in a matter of hours what takes other people years. His learning abilities are on par with Sawsgay, who uses a haxx kekke genkai.

Not counting his learning skills, he is bar none the craftiest fighter in the entire -verse, and the way he utilizes his kage bunshins at times is ingenious.

At this point, I'm more willing to call Naruto a genius than anyone who uses a a kekke genkai.

Yeah because Naruto wasn't born with a natural advantage at all, it's not like he has access to unlimited Chakra or anything.

Stamina keeps his body from tiring. His mind, and every other aspect of him, still have the same limitations as most people.

Yeah, he certaintly doesn't have some natural advantage that, ya know, grants him the ability to see a physical act be displayed and he can copy it with a drop of a hat or an eye with 360 degree vision or anything.

Nope. Naruto's "advantage" is one of the weakest in the entire show.

Orochimaru
Itachi
Kakashi

Neji, Shikamaru, and Naruto. Out of the young generation anyway.

Not hard to look like a genius when you were born with enough chakra to SPAM clones all day and get experience multiplied. Even less hard when apparently clones are the key to learning everything.

Apparently, nevermind the fact that said techniques often ends in said person literally losing consciousness and suffering injuries while doing so.

*yawn*

I suppose Shikamaru is the only true genius? Anyone with a kekke genkai or a special ability should be barred right? I'm curious to know.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Naruto is a genius. Every single time someone teaches Naruto a mvoe, they are always surprised at how fast he learns it. Sage mode, Rasengan, shadow clone. He does in a matter of hours what takes other people years. His learning abilities are on par with Sawsgay, who uses a haxx kekke genkai.

Not counting his learning skills, he is bar none the craftiest fighter in the entire -verse, and the way he utilizes his kage bunshins at times is ingenious.

At this point, I'm more willing to call Naruto a genius than anyone who uses a a kekke genkai.

Try giving someone like Kakashi virtually unlimited chakra.

Naruto uses kage bunshin in the most ****ing basic possible way. Naruto uses clone to shift his momentum mid air, wow! He's a ****ing genius! Naruto used clones to fool his opponent! WOOOOW! Using clones to trick people, guy's a genius!

Naruto's shit poor use of clones makes me want to cry tears of blood.

Originally posted by yungz22
Who are the geniuses of naruto. out of all the former genin


Personally i think that these are the geniuses

Neji
Lee
Sasuke
Shikamaru
Naruto

Where the **** is Shino!

The main genius's are:

Shikamaru
Kakashi
Shino
Neji
Lee
Sasuke
Itachi
Naruto (kinda, because of how fast he mastered rasengan)

What if Itachi or Sasuke or Kakashi or Orochimaru or anyone else had Infinite Chakra? They'd just be slaughtering everyone. EVERYONE, there would be no comparison at all. The fact that Naruto still gets beat all the time shows he's nothing special.

lol at you saying having a Biju is the least of the Kekkai Genkai. Kirabi has nothing except Biju-amped stats and related abilities, but has made short work of the strongest Kekke Genkai ever. Biju>>>Any eye technique.

- definitely neji since he is not only the strongest genin produced by konoha, but he also learned a main house special technique by imitating it from sight without assistance by a "fellow" hyuga.

(itachi was the genius of the uchiha clan so sasuke is out, but he is close)

(lee's not since his talent for genjutsu and ninjutsu are zilch, he is however a specialist in taijutsu, not a genius.)

- naruto is a genius since like someone else posted earlier, he has mastered a jonin level technique (shadow clone) as a genin and has also "mastered" another jonin level technique (resengan) and has completed it. and the sage training proved that he is a faster learner than even jiraya is (one of the three legendary sannin), and that was without shadow clones. in some respects he is the second coming of his father who was the best shinobi konoha has ever developed, also a genius.

Having infinite chakra isn't really the point. Naruto is able to learn moves quickly.

Having infinite Chakra lets naruto create tons of shadow clones. Having tons of shadow clones lets Naruto learn moves faster.

How do you think Pain would be doing in his attack on Konoha if in addition to his current powerset, he also had infinite Chakra? How about Itachi (who died from running out, not a problem if you had a Biju)? Any other "Genius" character would make a million better times the use of the Biju that Naruto does.

hmmm as 4 me these are the geniuse's:

shikamaru nara-becuz of his unique ability to think of ideas even in the heat of battle. he is also a skilled strategist which has perfect chemistry wd his shadow techniques.

itachi uchiha-becuz he was able 2 unlock his mangekyou sharingan at a young age. a skilled genjutsu expert. smart and logic thinking.

naruto uzumaki-necuz as the pipol say he is truly a fast learner unlike most ninjas. i mean he was able 2 pursue further the 4ths technique 4 just days. his strong spirit, dream 2 be a hokage and stubborn attitude is wat makes him 2 never give up.

basically every ninja in naruto has a unique specialty but not just uniqe frm others. i only recalled my fav ninjas so far when it comes 2 being a genius. even all of us can b a genius if we work hard enough on it

Originally posted by King Kandy
Having infinite Chakra lets naruto create tons of shadow clones. Having tons of shadow clones lets Naruto learn moves faster.

How do you think Pain would be doing in his attack on Konoha if in addition to his current powerset, he also had infinite Chakra? How about Itachi (who died from running out, not a problem if you had a Biju)? Any other "Genius" character would make a million better times the use of the Biju that Naruto does. Naruto didn't use shadow clones to learn shadow clones faster. He also didn't use it to learn the rasengan faster. He didn't use them to learn Sage Mode faster. He didn't use them to learn tree climbing just as fast as Sasuke did. Having infinite chakra doesn't give him the ability to learn moves faster. And the only thing he's used shadow clones to learn faster was his wind ability. Which he should have been able to learn that just as fast as anything else he has without shadow clones.

And Itachi died from being near death because of having a disease, and using a jutsu that kills him. Which would have happened anyway with or without infinite chakra.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Orochimaru
Itachi
Kakashi

i did say this was about the former genin

Originally posted by Kero_Co
Where the **** is Shino!

i meant to put him but i forgot

Originally posted by King Kandy
Having infinite Chakra lets naruto create tons of shadow clones. Having tons of shadow clones lets Naruto learn moves faster. Right, because Naruto uses Shadow Clones to learn new jutsus all the time.

He has done that TWICE. Once for using Wind chakra with Rasengan, again with Sage Mode.

Keeping up with stated genius Sasuke on climbing trees, learning to walk on water(with his chakra still fvcked up by Orochimaru mind you), learning the Rasengan so quickly, and learning Shadow Clones in a day.

Hell, one thing you ignore is that when it comes to learning new techniques, Naruto's nigh-infinite chakra actually INHIBITS him.

As stated by Ebisu, Naruto's chakra control SUCKS, because of its size.

Yet he got past that handicap to learn to walk on trees, walk on water(with his chakra extra fvcked), and learn Rasengan.

Yeah, Naruto is bar-none one of the most ingenious ninjas there are.

He also modiefied and recreated his own version of Rock Lee's lotus, even though he'd only seen it twice. Sawsgay had to use his Sharingan to get the maneuver down... Naruto came up with it on the fly.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin


Naruto uses kage bunshin in the most ****ing basic possible way. Naruto uses clone to shift his momentum mid air, wow! He's a ****ing genius! Naruto used clones to fool his opponent! WOOOOW! Using clones to trick people, guy's a genius!

Nah. You're wrong.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
He also modiefied and recreated his own version of Rock Lee's lotus, even though he'd only seen it twice. Sawsgay had to use his Sharingan to get the maneuver down... Naruto came up with it on the fly. Actually, Naruto copied Sasuke's Lion Barrage, and did so in a matter of minutes, and did it the first try.

Naruto has never seen Lee do the Lotus, neither has Sasuke for that matter, Sasuke only copied the initial kick and then the part where he moves behind him.

What is notable about this move is that using Shadow clones, he made up for the massive difference in speed between him and Sasuke.

You're right. I'd forgotten about that.

...I feel like a geek right now.

Naruto failed trying to learn water walking until Jiraiya unlocked his Chakra, he couldn't do it relying on his own Chakra after Orochimaru sealed it away. Orochimaru's seal prevented the Kyuubi chakra from meshing with Naruto's like it was supposed to. lol, Naruto needs infinite chakra just to walk on water, which is just sad since every other character can do it just fine (Naruto still had trouble even after Jiraiya removed the seal.)

lol at you using the tree-climbing as evidence of his genius. I guess by that logic the genius of Sakura is >>>>>> Either Naruto or Sasuke. We're seeing just how meaningless that feat was all the time.

We've seen just how great of a natural advantage a Biju is, the two greatest warriors of Kumogakure dominated all opponents with nothing but Biju power, so did Gaara who used his Biju gifted abilities to crush all competition. Kirabi with nothing but his Biju power decimated Sasuke (who you said had a greater natural advantage) and the two-tails gave a team of Akatsuki trouble. Four tails was nearly even with Kisame, we've seen Gaara and Kirabi, hell it's only Naruto who's Biju control fails. If he were a genius he would have maximized his use of his natural advantage by now and would be the strongest character in the series by far.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Naruto failed trying to learn water walking until Jiraiya unlocked his Chakra, he couldn't do it relying on his own Chakra after Orochimaru sealed it away. Orochimaru's seal prevented the Kyuubi chakra from meshing with Naruto's like it was supposed to. lol, Naruto needs infinite chakra just to walk on water, which is just sad since every other character can do it just fine (Naruto still had trouble even after Jiraiya removed the seal.)

lol at you using the tree-climbing as evidence of his genius. I guess by that logic the genius of Sakura is >>>>>> Either Naruto or Sasuke. We're seeing just how meaningless that feat was all the time.

We've seen just how great of a natural advantage a Biju is, the two greatest warriors of Kumogakure dominated all opponents with nothing but Biju power, so did Gaara who used his Biju gifted abilities to crush all competition. Kirabi with nothing but his Biju power decimated Sasuke (who you said had a greater natural advantage) and the two-tails gave a team of Akatsuki trouble. Four tails was nearly even with Kisame, we've seen Gaara and Kirabi, hell it's only Naruto who's Biju control fails. If he were a genius he would have maximized his use of his natural advantage by now and would be the strongest character in the series by far. Naruto did the water walking just fine after Jiraiya unlocked Oro's seal. And the seal was screwing with Naruto's own chakra it didn't just block Kyuubi's.

Sakura is > Sasuke and Naruto when it comes to chakra control. But Naruto is also the worst at chakra control and was able to learn it just as fast as the 'genius' Sasuke was though he's suppose to be the worst at doing anything.

Naruto's demon is sealed in a completely different way than anybody elses can be. It's also not like Naruto can force Kyuubi to do what he wants, and he can't use Kyuubi's full power without Kyuubi taking his body over, and killing him.

Him having infinite chakra, not controlling his demon, or bad chakra control has nothing to do with his ability to learn moves fast anyway.

My only point was people are saying "well the others have Kekkei Genkai and he doesn't", and I pointed out he had a natural advantage that actually surpasses that of any other character.

If Naruto was a genius, he would be able to at least make decent use of his Chakra like all the other Jinchiruki. I hope Kirabi trains him or something because I can't bear seeing him squandering his natural resources any longer.

Not really. He can only take so much before is taken over by Kyuubi. And kyuubi isn't exactly the friendliest of demons. Nor does he like Naruto or sit and chatter with him like 8-tails does with Killer Bee. Naruto and Kyuubi becoming like 8-tails and Killer Bee would just seem off if you ask me. Also his chakra control is bad. That's why he can't make as good use out of it. But even Sasuke who is considered a genius doesn't have the best chakra control just average. Chakra control doesn't make somebody a genius or Sakura would be one.

Originally posted by King Kandy
My only point was people are saying "well the others have Kekkei Genkai and he doesn't", and I pointed out he had a natural advantage that actually surpasses that of any other character.


He has a natural advantage, which is a temporary physical stats boost and a large reserve of chakra. Facts:

Bijuu does not grant the user the ability to predict attacks and essentially nullify all forms of Taijutsu.

Bijuu does not grant the user the ability to perceive things in special ways.

Bijuu does not allow the user the ability to see a technique once, and it can be copied and used the next day.

The Bijuu does not grant the user itself any one attack that is more powerful than 99% of all the other jutsu in the Naruto-verse.

The Bijuu does not grant the user a defense from Genjutsu. It's unlike Kirabi's in that it doesn't co-operate.

The Bijuu's chakra that you rave about actually kills the user over time, and if enough of it is used the user loses his mind and ends up hurting his own allies.

Bijuu does not grant the user the use of a jutsu that allows it to negate all other jutsu.

However, there is a kekke genkai that grants the user all of the pluses that are mentioned above. The Sharingan. The only downside is that you will eventually go blind. But, oh em gee! Wait a minute, if you take someone elses Sharingan then that is automatically negated. Thus, it has no downsides!

At the end of the day, the only thing the Bijuu actually does is grant the user a temporary boost in durability, strength, and speed, as well as an overall boost in chakra capacity, but that last positive is negated because every time it's used to it's potential the user loses consciousness or is severely weakened. When he fought against Sawsgay the strain of the Kyuubi chakra on his body made him black out in addition to the Lvl 2 Chidori. When he used the clones to train the wind rasengan? He blacked out. lolZ. When he went four-tails he knocked the shit out of Sakura, nearly killed his own mentor, and was so wounded and exhausted that his chakra, for all of it's "infinite" capacity, was nearly at zero and he needed healing.

Obviously, it's far greater then any other kekke genkai.

I agree. The Sharingan is much greater than a Biju. That's obviously why Sasuke had Kirabi on the ropes in their fight.

Sasuke is like 17 years old =\ and Kirabee is basically a master of his Bijuu, he did eventually beat Kirabee with his newfound Kekke Genkai ability

Replace Sasuke with Madara or Itachi, the true masters of the Sharingan and Kirabee would have been crushed.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I agree. The Sharingan is much greater than a Biju. That's obviously why Sasuke had Kirabi on the ropes in their fight.

You continuously mentioning Kirabi is utterly pointless and doesn't help you're argument in even the slightest.

All of the Bijuu have different personalities and different levels of power. Eight-tail's Bijuu is willing to cooperate with it's host and so he gains an advantage, something the Kyuubi is unwilling to do. Kirabi's also doesn't seem to damage his as much, and he's always in control. He's also had like 30 years to train with it as well.

And Terry's right. an Itachi with full health would run through Kirabi in minutes.

And I seem to remember a Sharingan user had control over all the tailed beasts. So, what were you saying?

The name of the show is Naruto so he shouldn't cound, Sasuke is a main character so he shouldn't count. People like Neji, Itachi, Haku or any other person who was born with a Kekkai Genkai.

Jiraiya, Orochumaru, The 3rd Hokage all learned how to be great ninjas without having a unlimited amound of chakra or because they were the main characters but if you are going to say anybody from Naruto then it would be Haku. A guy who didnt even want to become a ninja and was on the run from tracker ninja yet he was able to beat both Sasuke and Naruto at the same time.

If a moron like Naruto could learn the Rasengan in 1 month then logic would state Haku would of learned it quicker (Not just Haku, Neji, or any other half way sane ninja should be able to learn it in a month) Imagine Haku being trained by Jiraiya or Orochumaru like Sasuke was. Imagine Haku with a cursed seal or any other gimmick move. Or even imagine Haku if he wanted to become a ninja and his charcater could of lived longer and developed.

Haku also uses a blood limit.. and Sawsgay beat him the first time. Haku only won by using his, gasp, blood limit.

Haku just by himself is not special at all.

Not counting blood limits, I'd say Shikamaru is a genius, Rock Lee is a genius, Sasori is a genius, the third perhaps. And not counting main characters makes little sense.

Originally posted by big juggy man
but if you are going to say anybody from Naruto then it would be Haku. A guy who didnt even want to become a ninja and was on the run from tracker ninja yet he was able to beat both Sasuke and Naruto at the same time.

Haku depended on his Kekke Genkai, and Naruto and Sasuke were seriously weak back then, Sasuke even outfought Haku before he used his Kekke Genkai, Haku was 3 years older then them as well. Rock Lee would've whooped both their asses at the same time, without taking any weights off, and he is only a year older.

I guess the characters all were genius' in their own ways

Shikamaru is a genius of tactical strategy

Rock Lee is a genius of hard work (?) but he also learned to open the gates which is supposedly genius level

Orochimaru, 3rd Hokage, Itachi, Kakashi, were genius' at learning shinobi jutsus, chakra, etc, typical shinobi stuff that got them high rankings very early

I agree with King Kandy in the fact that if Naruto learned to control his Kyuubi the way Killer Bee can, he would literally be unstoppabled.


And that stuff about they way the 9-tails was sealed in Naruto that makes it harder to control is not cannon. That is not found anywhere in the Manga or the anime. Naruto can't control the Kyuubi because that's the way the writer wrote it so far...nothing has been explained to why Naruto can't control his Kyuubi and Killer Bee can.


Naruto IS a genius. He almost falls into the category of idio-genius.

Sasuke is a genius, so is Neji.

Rock Lee is a Genius because, despite his weaknesses, able to obtain an awesome level of power. Despite all the odds stacked up against him to fail, he persevered and found a way to be superior.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
And I seem to remember a Sharingan user had control over all the tailed beasts.
I'd love for you to substantiate that with evidence.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I'd love for you to substantiate that with evidence.


Right from the Databook

The main reason why the "Sharingan" was feared by everyone, including the inhabitants of the village, is the power hidden in those eyes, able to subdue even "bijuu". Sasuke, who is rapidly mastering his skills as an Uchiha, is also gradually awakening to that cursed power.

Originally posted by yungz22
i did say this was about the former genin
Orochimaru, Itachi, Kakashi are all "former genin"

Originally posted by King Kandy
I'd love for you to substantiate that with evidence.

haermm

Haku depended on his Kekke Genkai, and Naruto and Sasuke were seriously weak back then, Sasuke even outfought Haku before he used his Kekke Genkai, Haku was 3 years older then them as well. Rock Lee would've whooped both their asses at the same time, without taking any weights off, and he is only a year older.

I guess the characters all were genius' in their own ways

Shikamaru is a genius of tactical strategy

Rock Lee is a genius of hard work (?) but he also learned to open the gates which is supposedly genius level

Orochimaru, 3rd Hokage, Itachi, Kakashi, were genius' at learning shinobi jutsus, chakra, etc, typical shinobi stuff that got them high rankings very early


Haku depended on his blood line traits? And Sasuke doesn't? Haku was still able to beat 2 of the main characters when he was holding back. Haku was 3 years older so what does that prove? Sasuke trained since he was a little child to be a ninja and Haku started when he was 10 years old according to the show. Sasuke and Naruto both wanted to be ninjas and Haku only did it to feel needed. How many other characters could figure out the Sharringan and ways to counter is by looking at it one time? According to Kakashi he never seen a person use one hand to do hand seals and yet Haku could do it.

As i said Naruto is the main character, So is Sasuke so they shouldnt even be included in this topic. At the begging of the serious Naruto couldnt even do one shadow clone but then after reading that ninja scroll he could make 100's. How stupi is that? Nine Tailed Possed Naruto's speed was too much for Sasuke to handle at first but the moment Sasuke developed his sharingan to the 3 state he was able to move as fast as Naruto. Even more stupid since the show stated that just because your eyes can track a persons speed doesnt mean your body can move at that speed.

Guess what? When Might guy said Rock Lee was a taijutsu master he was just hyping up his prized pupil. According to the stats. Zabuza, Might Guy, Itachi. Kisame, Tsunade, Kimimaro ect et ect were better at Taijutsu than he was. Opening the gates doesnt make you a genius either. Are you telling me that people like Jiraiya, Kakashi, Asuma, The 3rd Hokage or any other top level ninja couldnt open the gates if they tried to learn? Its a forbidden Jutsu because it is risky to do. This isnt dragonball z where every single character does that same move over and over again.

You could also add people like Zabuza a genius at silent killings to the list. Shikamaru's dad who is smarter than Shikamaru to the list. You could name any ninja who became a genin before the age of 12 or 13 like Naruto and Sasuke did. It all depends on what you mean by genius

No.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Having infinite Chakra lets naruto create tons of shadow clones. Having tons of shadow clones lets Naruto learn moves faster.

hysterical

Originally posted by big juggy man
Haku depended on his blood line traits? And Sasuke doesn't? Haku was still able to beat 2 of the main characters when he was holding back. Haku was 3 years older so what does that prove? Sasuke trained since he was a little child to be a ninja and Haku started when he was 10 years old according to the show. Sasuke and Naruto both wanted to be ninjas and Haku only did it to feel needed. How many other characters could figure out the Sharringan and ways to counter is by looking at it one time? According to Kakashi he never seen a person use one hand to do hand seals and yet Haku could do it.
Sasuke 15 years old vs Haku 15 years old, Sasuke would put a serious whoopin on Haku, badly. Sasuke trained basic academy crap since he was a little kid, Haku has been doing serious dangerous missions, and has killed lots of people with Zabuza. Sasuke still kicked Haku's ass before the kekke genkai was used, and Sasuke was only 12 years old and never was in much of a serious fight before Seriously Sasuke's sharingan was not much back then.


Doesn't matter, Sasuke is the main charactes, Orochimaru isn't, yet you can still say Orochimaru at 12 years old would put a whoopin on Sasuke at 12 years old because Orochimaru was more of a prodigy back then. There are lots of characters with feats at a young age, Haku isn't one of them, he just has a good kekke genkai, thats it.


Huh? Who said anything about taijutsu? I don't recall saying Rock Lee was better at taijutsu then any of those guys you mentioned, obviously the jounin are better. Nor do i recall saying those guys are incapable of learning to open the gates, stop putting words in my mouth. People like Orochimaru, Kakashi, 3rd Hokage probably are capable of learning to open the gates. Kakashi suggested that genius' can open the gates when he said "This isn't something that can be achieved with hard work alone. Is he a genius after all?"


Genius at silent killing? I guess the killings would be in the same category as the Shinobi arts. Shikarmaru is a genius' at tactical strategy, his father probably is too. The ninjas who became a chuunin at a very young age would be genius' of the shinobi arts

Originally posted by King Kandy
My only point was people are saying "well the others have Kekkei Genkai and he doesn't", and I pointed out he had a natural advantage that actually surpasses that of any other character.

If Naruto was a genius, he would be able to at least make decent use of his Chakra like all the other Jinchiruki. I hope Kirabi trains him or something because I can't bear seeing him squandering his natural resources any longer.

in the world of naruto genius doesnt only mean smarts. It kinda means you yourself stands out from the rest. That is why i said lee and naruto are geniuses. These two are not the smartest of the group but they both have done things not many ninja can do. Especially at their age

Originally posted by big juggy man
Haku depended on his Kekke Genkai, and Naruto and Sasuke were seriously weak back then, Sasuke even outfought Haku before he used his Kekke Genkai, Haku was 3 years older then them as well. Rock Lee would've whooped both their asses at the same time, without taking any weights off, and he is only a year older.

I guess the characters all were genius' in their own ways

Shikamaru is a genius of tactical strategy

Rock Lee is a genius of hard work (?) but he also learned to open the gates which is supposedly genius level

Orochimaru, 3rd Hokage, Itachi, Kakashi, were genius' at learning shinobi jutsus, chakra, etc, typical shinobi stuff that got them high rankings very early


Haku depended on his blood line traits? And Sasuke doesn't? Haku was still able to beat 2 of the main characters when he was holding back. Haku was 3 years older so what does that prove? Sasuke trained since he was a little child to be a ninja and Haku started when he was 10 years old according to the show. Sasuke and Naruto both wanted to be ninjas and Haku only did it to feel needed. How many other characters could figure out the Sharringan and ways to counter is by looking at it one time? According to Kakashi he never seen a person use one hand to do hand seals and yet Haku could do it.

As i said Naruto is the main character, So is Sasuke so they shouldnt even be included in this topic. At the begging of the serious Naruto couldnt even do one shadow clone but then after reading that ninja scroll he could make 100's. How stupi is that? Nine Tailed Possed Naruto's speed was too much for Sasuke to handle at first but the moment Sasuke developed his sharingan to the 3 state he was able to move as fast as Naruto. Even more stupid since the show stated that just because your eyes can track a persons speed doesnt mean your body can move at that speed.

Guess what? When Might guy said Rock Lee was a taijutsu master he was just hyping up his prized pupil. According to the stats. Zabuza, Might Guy, Itachi. Kisame, Tsunade, Kimimaro ect et ect were better at Taijutsu than he was. Opening the gates doesnt make you a genius either. Are you telling me that people like Jiraiya, Kakashi, Asuma, The 3rd Hokage or any other top level ninja couldnt open the gates if they tried to learn? Its a forbidden Jutsu because it is risky to do. This isnt dragonball z where every single character does that same move over and over again.

You could also add people like Zabuza a genius at silent killings to the list. Shikamaru's dad who is smarter than Shikamaru to the list. You could name any ninja who became a genin before the age of 12 or 13 like Naruto and Sasuke did. It all depends on what you mean by genius

ok Haku was going to lose once sasuke unlocked the sharingan because sasuke was slowly beginning to read his movements.Hence the whole attack naruto deal ending in sasuke's loss.

your whole thing on sasuke being able to keep up with naruto is dumb because look at how fast sasuke was moving against garra. Plus sasuke was also predicting naruto's movements allowing sasuke to counter attacks faster.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Naruto failed trying to learn water walking until Jiraiya unlocked his Chakra, he couldn't do it relying on his own Chakra after Orochimaru sealed it away. Orochimaru's seal prevented the Kyuubi chakra from meshing with Naruto's like it was supposed to. lol, Naruto needs infinite chakra just to walk on water, which is just sad since every other character can do it just fine (Naruto still had trouble even after Jiraiya removed the seal.)

lol at you using the tree-climbing as evidence of his genius. I guess by that logic the genius of Sakura is >>>>>> Either Naruto or Sasuke. We're seeing just how meaningless that feat was all the time.

We've seen just how great of a natural advantage a Biju is, the two greatest warriors of Kumogakure dominated all opponents with nothing but Biju power, so did Gaara who used his Biju gifted abilities to crush all competition. Kirabi with nothing but his Biju power decimated Sasuke (who you said had a greater natural advantage) and the two-tails gave a team of Akatsuki trouble. Four tails was nearly even with Kisame, we've seen Gaara and Kirabi, hell it's only Naruto who's Biju control fails. If he were a genius he would have maximized his use of his natural advantage by now and would be the strongest character in the series by far. 1. Incorrect. Even Ebisu remarked in amazement that Naruto, despite Ebisu's expectations, actually WAS learning to walk on water. And no, clearly you do not know near enough about the series that you seem to think you do, as it was directly stated by Jiraiya that not only was the seal preventing Kyuubi from leaking through, but it was negatively affect Naruto's very own chakra, disrupting it. So, Naruto was quickly learning to walk on water with fvcked up chakra, and when released from the seal, did it easily.

2. Sakura along with Tsunade is THE best at chakra control, not many characters rival her in that regard, as noted by Kakashi. Yet, despite the fact that Naruto had much worse chakra control than Sasuke, he managed to keep up with him in the tree climbing exercise.

3. Both of whom have at least near full control over their Biju, and Kirabi having absolute control over it. Kirabi and his Biju completely cooperate and have friendly chats, unlike Naruto and Kyuubi who hate eachother, so they are not comparable. Two Tails was captured pretty easily. And the Four Tails was fairly difficult to capture, but Kisame had to beat him to near death without killing him, and only remarked he was a bit tired. Wanna know why Naruto does not max out his Biju control? Because not only does he hate it, but if he does so, Kyuubi would be released, KILLING HIM.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I'd love for you to substantiate that with evidence. Madara was single-handedly able to subdue and enslave the Kyuubi.

Hell, Shodaime with a unique jutsu to him was able to subdue Biju as well.

since genius ninja are only labeled so due to their quick development at the beginning stages of their ninja career and effectiveness in combat, obviously there aren't that many geniuses.

orochimaru stated that sasuke was even better than he was in combat at the same age, and then he said "and they call me a genius".

of the 9 genin:

- neji hyuga
- naruto uzumaki*
- sasuke uchiha

out of the series:

- orochimaru
- itachi uvhiha
- minato namikazi(4th)
- kakashi hatake
- hiruzen saratobi* (3rd)
- hashirama senju* (1st)
- tobirama senju* (2nd)
- madara uchiha*
- nagato*

(* = unconfirmed/probably just strong ass ninjas)

Well Madara was stated to be gifted even by Uchiha's high standards.

And Nagato is not so much a genius, he just possesses unfair haxx.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Well Madara was stated to be gifted even by Uchiha's high standards.

And Nagato is not so much a genius, he just possesses unfair haxx. yeah, madara is a genius, he's known as the greatest of all uchiha even from a young age.

i also forgot kakashi's father.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Incorrect. Even Ebisu remarked in amazement that Naruto, despite Ebisu's expectations, actually WAS learning to walk on water. And no, clearly you do not know near enough about the series that you seem to think you do, as it was directly stated by Jiraiya that not
only was the seal preventing Kyuubi from leaking through, but it was negatively affect Naruto's very own chakra, disrupting it. So, Naruto was quickly learning to walk on water with fvcked up chakra, and when released from the seal, did it easily.
Pre-release:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/90/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/90/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/90/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/90/16/

When Jiraiya sees him, he's still failing.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/91/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/91/11/

Jiraiya talks about the seal (note how all it does is prevent chakra-mesh, not mess with Naruto's personal chakra like you said.)

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/91/12/

Oh hey, look! Even after being unsealed, Naruto can't walk on water. Jiraiya also talks about how he has sucky control:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/92/16/

Forget what Ebisu's saying and look at the facts: Naruto falls every single time. Every time. All the other characters, mind you, can do this.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
2. Sakura along with Tsunade is THE best at chakra control, not many characters rival her in that regard, as noted by Kakashi. Yet, despite the fact that Naruto had much worse chakra control than Sasuke, he managed to keep up with him in the tree climbing exercise.
This is exactly why the "chakra control is genius" line of thought fails.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
3. Both of whom have at least near full control over their Biju, and Kirabi having absolute control over it. Kirabi and his Biju completely cooperate and have friendly chats, unlike Naruto and Kyuubi who hate eachother, so they are not comparable. Two Tails was captured pretty easily. And the Four Tails was fairly difficult to capture, but Kisame had to beat him to near death without killing him, and only remarked he was a bit tired. Wanna know why Naruto does not max out his Biju control? Because not only does he hate it, but if he does so, Kyuubi would be released, KILLING HIM.
If every other Jinchiruki has near-perfect or perfect control, and Naruto has absolutely no control, then yeah... that says a lot about Naruto's "genius." Oh hey, how about Gaara? He also has a completely malevolent biju, and yet he can control it better than Naruto and also do a full-release.

Naruto is no genius. He masters abilities like the shadow clones and the rasengan because he has the friggin nine-tailed fox inside him (which gives him a lot of chakra). Those lame speeches he gives to people that changes their lives is just luck.

Naruto is just a kid that eats ramen and makes farts that can make even Orochimaru pass out.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Pre-release:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/90/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/90/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/90/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/90/16/

When Jiraiya sees him, he's still failing.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/91/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/91/11/

Jiraiya talks about the seal (note how all it does is prevent chakra-mesh, not mess with Naruto's personal chakra like you said.)

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/91/12/

Oh hey, look! Even after being unsealed, Naruto can't walk on water. Jiraiya also talks about how he has sucky control:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/92/16/

Forget what Ebisu's saying and look at the facts: Naruto falls every single time. Every time. All the other characters, mind you, can do this.


This is exactly why the "chakra control is genius" line of thought fails.


If every other Jinchiruki has near-perfect or perfect control, and Naruto has absolutely no control, then yeah... that says a lot about Naruto's "genius." Oh hey, how about Gaara? He also has a completely malevolent biju, and yet he can control it better than Naruto and also do a full-release. 1. "To think he'd grasp the concept of this chakra control so quickly..."

-Ebisu, pointing out his incredible progression, despite his chakra being harmed.

"His chakra and the Nine-Tail's chakra are unable to mix...No wonder he can't control chakra very well."

-Jiraiya, notice how he did not mention that it lessened his chakra, instead placing more importance on how it impeded his ability to control his chakra.

You're a fvcking liar.

After having his chakra unsealed, he WAS walking on water.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/91/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/91/15/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/92/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/92/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/92/17/

Nice, posting incomplete scans and lying to force people to believe your side.

As we can clearly see, he had used up ALL his chakra by the time he started failing, and as Jiraiya said, he did so by water walking.

Is lying in an argument a reportable offense?

2. Sakura IS a genius in that regard, hell, being 15, she is one of the best Medic-nins in the series.

3. He refuses to use it, his seal is different and he CAN'T have full control considering it would kill him, and slowly does so even when not fully released, and both hate eachother. And as for Gaara, he works in accordance with his Biju's malevolence, at least he did, which is why he was so powerful. And I would think a much weaker Biju like Shukaku would be easier to control.

Are you literate? Jiraiya says that Naruto can't control his Chakra very well, because he was cut off from his Biju. Why does that matter? Because with his Biju-enhanced Chakra, Naruto can screw up all he wants:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/90/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/90/08/

But once he's separated from that chakra, his mess-ups start becoming more severe. Naruto never learned the precise chakra control the others have, because he never needed to. He could waste chakra all day and be fine. He could be injured and heal rapidly. There were no consequences. There's only one time we've seen Naruto with his naked chakra/stamina: when Orochimaru put a seal on him, and he failed.

Yes, he did walk on water. However, the reason why I posted the later scans was to show that walking on water is EXTREMELY TIRING for him. He did it fine for a couple seconds, but later on we see how precise control taxes him. It's just not something he really learned. And no, i'm not saying Sasuke was better while they were tree climbing. He was later though, we can see that in the diagram scans I posted.

Any time someone preforms a feat and Naruto matches it, the feat is greater for the other person, since they have a lesser supply, and need to be more delicate in their conservation of Chakra. Naruto's feats are just "whoah, he can afford to waste chakra with his admittedly terrible control but retardedly high stamina." That's why the tree-thing is actually a better feat for Sasuke, and an absolutely incredible feat for Sakura; Sakura's chakra was nothing compared to either of them.

Additionally, when that tree-feat happened, Naruto actually held all the advantage: Sasuke didn't have the Sharingan yet, but Naruto still had his monster chakra supply.

You can now add Konohamaru your lists, infact put him at the top....dis****ingusting.

Why, what happened?

Stop crying.

edit- He's mad because he opened his mouth and got shot down instantly. Now, he has nothing to say. *shrug* At least that's what it looks like.When someone posts and two people post counter-arguments and he ignores them utterly and whines it's usually because he simply doesn't have anything to say.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Why, what happened?


Read the newest chapter..or don't...you probably shouldn't.


Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Stop crying.

edit- He's mad because he opened his mouth and got shot down instantly. Now, he has nothing to say.


What the hell are you talking about

Waffles.

Real men eat pancakes

It's true.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Are you literate? Jiraiya says that Naruto can't control his Chakra very well, because he was cut off from his Biju. Why does that matter? Because with his Biju-enhanced Chakra, Naruto can screw up all he wants:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/90/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/90/08/

But once he's separated from that chakra, his mess-ups start becoming more severe. Naruto never learned the precise chakra control the others have, because he never needed to. He could waste chakra all day and be fine. He could be injured and heal rapidly. There were no consequences. There's only one time we've seen Naruto with his naked chakra/stamina: when Orochimaru put a seal on him, and he failed.

Yes, he did walk on water. However, the reason why I posted the later scans was to show that walking on water is EXTREMELY TIRING for him. He did it fine for a couple seconds, but later on we see how precise control taxes him. It's just not something he really learned. And no, i'm not saying Sasuke was better while they were tree climbing. He was later though, we can see that in the diagram scans I posted.

Any time someone preforms a feat and Naruto matches it, the feat is greater for the other person, since they have a lesser supply, and need to be more delicate in their conservation of Chakra. Naruto's feats are just "whoah, he can afford to waste chakra with his admittedly terrible control but retardedly high stamina." That's why the tree-thing is actually a better feat for Sasuke, and an absolutely incredible feat for Sakura; Sakura's chakra was nothing compared to either of them.

Additionally, when that tree-feat happened, Naruto actually held all the advantage: Sasuke didn't have the Sharingan yet, but Naruto still had his monster chakra supply. 1. He did not say that because his chakra was less, it was more difficult to control, he stated that the seal made it more difficult, because Naruto and the Kyuubi's chakras are linked.

2. So what you are saying is his chakra control becomes lesser when separated from Kyuubi? Kakashi disagrees.

"Well! On the other hand, it can be said that because of the influence from Kyuubi, who is at the root of that stamina...The chakra becomes more difficult to control."

So clearly, the seal did not merely separate their chakras, that would only make his chakra more easily molded, it became harder to control, as stated by Jiraiya, because of the seal.

3. Extremely tiring? So now, with the seal gone, all of the sudden walking on water is extremely tiring for the boy with infinite chakra? You're contradicting yourself. Tired him out in a few seconds? Dude, it was clearly implied and even shown some time had passed by the time Naruto is tired, Jiraiya even stated Naruto had,"Finally used up all your chakra," key word being finally. He was better at tree climbing later? How? Both can walk on water and on solid earth effortlessly now.

4. Only you are only taking chakra amount into account. None of the other factors. And Naruto making the Rasengan required pure chakra control, not amount, hell, if anything his massive chakra only made it more difficult. And Sakura's feat is great, but only because of her incredible chakra control. Thing is, chakra amount does not factor at all into walking on water or on solid objects except for how long you can do it. It requires precise control.

5. And Sasuke had his comparitively much greater chakra control. His monster chakra grants him stamina, but fvcks up his control.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. He did not say that because his chakra was less, it was more difficult to control, he stated that the seal made it more difficult, because Naruto and the Kyuubi's chakras are linked.
Of course they are linked, the chakra is meshed. When that seal was placed, the Kyuubi's chakra ceased to interact with Naruto's in the slightest.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
2. So what you are saying is his chakra control becomes lesser when separated from Kyuubi? Kakashi disagrees.

"Well! On the other hand, it can be said that because of the influence from Kyuubi, who is at the root of that stamina...The chakra becomes more difficult to control."
The chakra is difficult to control but since he has increased stamina, that doesn't matter. It should also be noted that it's possible to control biju (red) chakra to the same degree as normal chakra, other Jinchiruki do it. That's a personal failing of Naruto.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
So clearly, the seal did not merely separate their chakras, that would only make his chakra more easily molded, it became harder to control, as stated by Jiraiya, because of the seal.
It was hard to control because his whole life Naruto had never needed to learn good control since his stamina let him be wasteful. It's kind of like how if you have a bigger lunch then someone, you can throw away more but still be just as full.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
3. Extremely tiring? So now, with the seal gone, all of the sudden walking on water is extremely tiring for the boy with infinite chakra? You're contradicting yourself. Tired him out in a few seconds? Dude, it was clearly implied and even shown some time had passed by the time Naruto is tired, Jiraiya even stated Naruto had,"Finally used up all your chakra," key word being finally. He was better at tree climbing later? How? Both can walk on water and on solid earth effortlessly now.
See i'm starting to think you weren't paying attention. I said that when he was with Jiraiya (the first time) he only walked for a few seconds before they stopped. The second time, we have no idea how long it took but Jiraiya mentions how it is more tiring for him than for others. And i'm saying that Sasuke has better control in general, not that he was better with trees alone.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
4. Only you are only taking chakra amount into account. None of the other factors. And Naruto making the Rasengan required pure chakra control, not amount, hell, if anything his massive chakra only made it more difficult. And Sakura's feat is great, but only because of her incredible chakra control. Thing is, chakra amount does not factor at all into walking on water or on solid objects except for how long you can do it. It requires precise control.
Again, the lunch metaphor. Let's say (and this is working on the same system as Ebisu's diagram, so don't say that the manga doesn't substantiate it) that Naruto and Sakura were both climbing a tree. Naruto only requires 1% of his chakra to do it, but since Sakura has less she must use 10%. Sakura converts all 10% into useful chakra and climbs it easily. Now, Naruto fails at control, so he withdraws ten percent, much to much. The 9% is surplus and is wasted, but Naruto only needed 1% anyway; he can still climb the tree. Thus, the two have wildly different controls but achieve the same result because they could draw on different resources.

So all joking aside, would Konohamaru count as a genius?

Considering that he can do kage bunshin and the rasengan and he doesn't have any extra chakra... and he's just kid. He's learned two moves that most Genin haven't been able to do yet.

Opinions?

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
So all joking aside, would Konohamaru count as a genius?

Considering that he can do kage bunshin and the rasengan and he doesn't have any extra chakra... and he's just kid. He's learned two moves that most Genin haven't been able to do yet.

Opinions? just by that i would say yes, after all it's not like naruto has sat down and trained him to make resengans and iruka doesn't know how to make them either.

konahamaru also comes from a line of insanely good ninjas so.... not a surprise if he's got potential.

Well Naruto did teach him that Rasengan over 3 years ago, so it took him over 3 years to gain that small rasengan which took Naruto 1 week to learn a bigger rasengan, but nonetheless it's still impressive.

Konohamaru seems like a better genius than Naruto imo.

Kishi can just change the title to 'Konohamaru' now. Shark is looking pretty jumpped and I want to punch Kishi in the face. Also I thought I remembered the Rasengan working by messing with your insides? So it shouldn't work on someone dead?

wat about ten-ten?

How exactly is Ten Ten a genius?

Originally posted by TheBadguy
Kishi can just change the title to 'Konohamaru' now. Shark is looking pretty jumpped and I want to punch Kishi in the face. Also I thought I remembered the Rasengan working by messing with your insides? So it shouldn't work on someone dead?
That's the wind-Rasengan.

Originally posted by Stealth
How exactly is Ten Ten a genius?

she isnt a genius because she hasn't done anything people her age cant do. All of her techniques anyone can learn.

Originally posted by braveheart
wat about ten-ten? she's just highly skilled, like a gymnast. she's no neji, whom is a jonin at the same age ten ten is.

kakashi was anbu at what...8 and achieved jonin status around 13-14.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Konohamaru seems like a better genius than Naruto imo.

I'd disagree. Three years of training and his rassengan is that size... Nah.

Well it's not like he spent the three years on Rasengan specifically.

Besides, it still was powerful enough to defeat a Pain Body (Recall that Kakashi and Choji's family pretty much died just to beat Asura Pain.)

Not all Pein bodies are the same though. Yahiko couldn't be hit while the other bodies can. And while Yahiko can instantly repel people if taken by surprise the others can't. And shadow clones are pretty much the best diversions to take somebody by surprise.

They aren't the same, but they all seem to possess pretty good HTH skills and general ninja abilities, plus their unique abilities as well.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well it's not like he spent the three years on Rasengan specifically.

We don't know that, though. He very well may have...



Momentarily. I highly doubt it'll stay down for long.

Originally posted by yungz22
she isnt a genius because she hasn't done anything people her age cant do. All of her techniques anyone can learn. I know that. I was talking to the guy who suggested Ten-Ten was a genius to see his reply.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Having infinite Chakra lets naruto create tons of shadow clones. Having tons of shadow clones lets Naruto learn moves faster.

How do you think Pain would be doing in his attack on Konoha if in addition to his current powerset, he also had infinite Chakra? How about Itachi (who died from running out, not a problem if you had a Biju)? Any other "Genius" character would make a million better times the use of the Biju that Naruto does.


naruto hater; naruto learned kage bushin with out clones, in the forest of death orochimaru sealed the nine tails chakra and he still defeated the rain ninjas or what ever village they where with shadow clones, he defeated kiba with shadow clones, also yamato was supervising narutos futon rasengan training to make sure the nine tailed chakra didnt came out, so he did that with his own chakra... and if u give pein unlimited chakra... give naruto riningan or whatever his eyes are called that i bet in sage mode with those eyes he will own him 2

Okay first of all, the term "genius" means smart, like super duper smart. The only one in the list that is actually super duper smart is Shikamaru! Shikamaru has got the strategy in his battles and everyone else does have strategy, but not as good as Shikamaru's.

Naruto is not a genius. He is persistent. There's a difference.
Lee is also persistent.
Sasuke isn't a genius. All he is is a rogue ninja avenging his brother and his will to avenge his brother is what's driving him to be that strong.
Neji isn't a genius either! Neji is strong and yes, he's smart, but he's not a genius. He got beat by Naruto from an uppercut. Kay? Kay.

Shikamaru is a definite genius. THAT is why HE was the only Genin in the 1st Chunin Exams to become a Chunin! No one else was a Chunin, but him for the first round. He used flying kunai to stretch his shadows against temari. He watched the fingers of the sound flute girl to figure out the pattern. He was once mentioned to be THE smartest person in the Land of Fire. He leaned his head back during the shadow possession so that the other person would hit their head on the wall and faint!! He's smart!

Shikamaru is the only genius that should be mentioned simply because the whole Naruto Shinobi World knows it. HE alone was the only one that got promoted to Chunin because of his smarts.

I've noticed in Japanese, the word 'genius' has a lot of overlap with the term 'prodigy'.

In the Japanese sense, Neji and Sasuke are both very much geniuses.

Originally posted by King Kandy
What if Itachi or Sasuke or Kakashi or Orochimaru or anyone else had Infinite Chakra? They'd just be slaughtering everyone. EVERYONE, there would be no comparison at all. The fact that Naruto still gets beat all the time shows he's nothing special.

lol at you saying having a Biju is the least of the Kekkai Genkai. Kirabi has nothing except Biju-amped stats and related abilities, but has made short work of the strongest Kekke Genkai ever. Biju>>>Any eye technique.

so then they would have two outrageous advantages? great examples. Having crazy chakra is a far cry from the advantage of being able to just automatically learn a tech by seeing it.

Naruto may have crazy chakra, but he also trains hard. He learns tech quickly because he learns well through his body. He also made Jiraiya look bad by completely mastering sage mode despite the nine tails screwing with his melding with the frogs, and much faster I might add. Oh, and he developed the FRS at the same time.

Combat wise, he has shown genius as well. Tricking Kiba and Neji in the exams, with Neji being regarded by many as the top ninja in the tournament. He did the same to Kakuzu, Pain, and Zabuza in different ways.

I find the geniuses in Naruto to be laughable except for Shikamaru.

Sasuke is an imbecile emotionally.

Naruto is an imbecile in general.

Although I love him, Neji has never shown to be particularly resourceful ever.

Itachi and Kakashi are both quite smart with their battle strategies, though. I was impressed by a few of their fights. All in all, I think the term "genius" gets thrown around too easily in this show. You can't have a million geniuses in one shw and not expect everyone to get bored. There's also Minato, blah blah blah whatever.

Still yet, Avatar handles their geniuses way better. Sokka and Azula - no one has to explicitly say they are geniuses with high scores - you can tell they simply are masters at what they do because of their actions, not unproven descriptive words spouted by other characters. Azula is insanely intelligent.

Originally posted by therapist1
I find the geniuses in Naruto to be laughable except for Shikamaru.

Sasuke is an imbecile emotionally.

Naruto is an imbecile in general.

Although I love him, Neji has never shown to be particularly resourceful ever.

Itachi and Kakashi are both quite smart with their battle strategies, though. I was impressed by a few of their fights. All in all, I think the term "genius" gets thrown around too easily in this show. You can't have a million geniuses in one shw and not expect everyone to get bored. There's also Minato, blah blah blah whatever.

Still yet, Avatar handles their geniuses way better. Sokka and Azula - no one has to explicitly say they are geniuses with high scores - you can tell they simply are masters at what they do because of their actions, not unproven descriptive words spouted by other characters. Azula is insanely intelligent.


This thread is about the konoha 11.

And yes naruto and sasuke are geniuses because of how talented they were and how fast they improved at a young age.

Naruto is the youngest out of the 4 people that know rasengan. He learned it im the shortest amount of time any of the others learned it in. Plus he is the only ninja ever to mix elemental chakra with it yes he is a genius.

Sasuke nothing really has to be said about him his growth rate and talent speaks for itself.

In the naruto world genius is synonymous with the word prodigy and out of the genin 11

Sasuke
Naruto
Lee
Neji
Shikamaru
Shino

Are geniuses

Sakura is more of a genius than Shino, Neji, and Lee lol.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Sakura is more of a genius than Shino, Neji, and Lee lol.

I didnt add sakura because of how long it took her to develop.

The genin 11 is full of geniuses in their own right because of the things they could do at their age. Look how fast each of them were recommended to become chunin

Lee is a genius in his own right. When he was 13 he was a master of the drunken fist taijutsu and could open 5 out of the 8 gates. Kakashi himself said that he was a genius for that.

Neji is a genius also because he learned all the main house taijutsu on his own at the age of 13. Nobody in his clan trained him. Its also said that neji was one of the best byakugan wielders of his entire clan at such a young age.

Shino was said to be a genius because of how he imcorporated stratrgy with his bug techniques.

Of course by the time shippuden comes along kishi decided to cast a shadow over everyone except naruto and sasuke so we didnt get to watch them grow as ninja

Originally posted by chasedown
This thread is about the konoha 11.

And yes naruto and sasuke are geniuses because of how talented they were and how fast they improved at a young age.

Naruto is the youngest out of the 4 people that know rasengan. He learned it im the shortest amount of time any of the others learned it in. Plus he is the only ninja ever to mix elemental chakra with it yes he is a genius.

Sasuke nothing really has to be said about him his growth rate and talent speaks for itself.

In the naruto world genius is synonymous with the word prodigy and out of the genin 11

Sasuke
Naruto
Lee
Neji
Shikamaru
Shino

Are geniuses

IMO, this is cop out writing. The audience is simply told they learned these things at whatever age and are meant to just accept them as geniuses, even though Sasuke shows himself to have outrageously poor basic reasoning skills and Naruto always has to be told not to prematurely jump headfirst into a fight and almost always wastes the chakra that the Nine-Tails gives him with his dumb ass head-first mentality. Nine-Tails is wasted on that kid. And as for Sasuke, he could never see through Itachi's lies, and then when he is told, makes the most ridiculous decision he could have by wanting revenge on Konoha. So...Itachi is just....more of a genius? What? I'm not impressed. Sasuke's decisions are so bad 80% of the time, and it also makes how sense how his chidori can be conducted in the ground. What cheap writing.

Guy Sensei is one of the only characters that has a true understanding of the world, from what I've seen. He pretty much taught himself to be invincible, physically and emotionally. He is also quite the critical thinker, even by Itachi's standards. He puts more value into hard work than talent, because Thar's how the real world works. And he grew from being insecure to invincibly secure about himself, despite his limits. Most-well rounded character IMO

Originally posted by chasedown
I didnt add sakura because of how long it took her to develop.

The genin 11 is full of geniuses in their own right because of the things they could do at their age. Look how fast each of them were recommended to become chunin

Lee is a genius in his own right. When he was 13 he was a master of the drunken fist taijutsu and could open 5 out of the 8 gates. Kakashi himself said that he was a genius for that.

Neji is a genius also because he learned all the main house taijutsu on his own at the age of 13. Nobody in his clan trained him. Its also said that neji was one of the best byakugan wielders of his entire clan at such a young age.

Shino was said to be a genius because of how he imcorporated stratrgy with his bug techniques.

Of course by the time shippuden comes along kishi decided to cast a shadow over everyone except naruto and sasuke so we didnt get to watch them grow as ninja

Irrelevant in terms of genius. The reason Sakura did not develop is simple: Kakashi could not care less about teaching her anything special.

Indeed they're all neato. But Sakura is the second best medical ninja in the world at this point. That is well above any of her peers outside of Team 7.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Irrelevant in terms of genius. The reason Sakura did not develop is simple: Kakashi could not care less about teaching her anything special.

Indeed they're all neato. But Sakura is the second best medical ninja in the world at this point. That is well above any of her peers outside of Team 7.

She is strong now Yes but when she was younger she wasnt anything special definitely not a geniuss by any means. Sakura was never seen as extraordinary

Originally posted by chasedown
I didnt add sakura because of how long it took her to develop.



In 2 and a half years she went from barely being able to heal a fish to becoming a better medic-nin than Chiyo. 3 years is all it took for her to reach a level of physical strength that is apparently greater than Tsunade's.

The only reason she wasn't a child prodigy or called a genius is because she was more concerned with Sasuke and her forehead, instead of focusing on her strengths.

Originally posted by chasedown
She is strong now Yes but when she was younger she wasnt anything special definitely not a geniuss by any means. Sakura was never seen as extraordinary

Her chakra controlling capabilities exceeded both Sasuke and Naruto are a genin.

Had Kakashi bothered to teach her anything she probably could have pulled it off rather well. But Tsunade is the better match anyway.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Her chakra controlling capabilities exceeded both Sasuke and Naruto are a genin.

Had Kakashi bothered to teach her anything she probably could have pulled it off rather well. But Tsunade is the better match anyway.

sakura was smart but her abilities were never regarded as extraordinary. what could kakashi teach her honestly i dont see her being able to do any of the things kakashi could do taijutsu wise, ninjutsu and genjutsu wise. sakura was useless back then, oh wow she can walk on trees and water better than naruto and sasuke how is that gonna help her in a fight.

by the way i started this thread when i was in 10th grade. surprised to see its still going on. Not many people that were on here are still on here now oh how time flies.

Being able to concentrate chakra to her feet did help Sakura in her fight with Ino and helped her resist genjutsu during the invasion. Sakura's problem was not a lack of talent but rather a lack of appreciable jutsu.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Being able to concentrate chakra to her feet did help Sakura in her fight with Ino and helped her resist genjutsu during the invasion. Sakura's problem was not a lack of talent but rather a lack of appreciable jutsu.

at the end of the day she was in no way considered a prodigy.

Originally posted by yungz22
at the end of the day she was in no way considered a prodigy.

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-243-7/naruto/chapter-238.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-95-6/naruto/chapter-90.html
(Better than Sasuke)
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-23-16/naruto/chapter-18.html

She is called better than the prodigious Sasuke.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-243-7/naruto/chapter-238.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-95-6/naruto/chapter-90.html
(Better than Sasuke)
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-23-16/naruto/chapter-18.html

She is called better than the prodigious Sasuke.

kakashi was goding sasuke and naruto he wasnt being serious because we both know that if sakura was to engage in battle with either of them even at that time she would lose.

tsunade didnt even say anything to make it seem like she was a prodigy she said i havent seen such talent since shizune. That doesnt make her a genius. who was her previous pupil.

So any acknowledgement of talent is worthless unless the one giving the compliment uses the words "the most amazing thing ever" to describe the person.

Sakura by feats and statements is more of a prodigy than anyone her age barring those two. She is the second best medic in the world and shes 17 tops. Humor me and say that does not mean she is a prodigy.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
So any acknowledgement of talent is worthless unless the one giving the compliment uses the words "the most amazing thing ever" to describe the person.

Sakura by feats and statements is more of a prodigy than anyone her age barring those two. She is the second best medic in the world and shes 17 tops. Humor me and say that does not mean she is a prodigy.


i started this thread and was talking about GENIN. as a genin sakura was nothing extraordinary. she was not a considered a genius within he class. Its just fact Sakura when she was a genin was not gonna beat any of the other higher tier noteworthy genin. hell even kiba and choji could have beaten her at that time.

just because you werent considered a prodigy as a child doesnt mean that you arent going to grow into a ninja worth recognition tho. she did grow into a noteworthy ninja but that doesnt mean she her peers considered as a prodigy/genius when she was younger.

seriously all she could do back then is walk on water and stick to trees eaier than her opponents. She didnt even start training medical jutsu until the end of part 1.

But everything that allows Sakura to be as strong as she is, i.e her chakra control, she had as a genin and it exceeded even Sasuke. What makes Part 1 Sakura so weak is because no one has trained her in anything remotely special. Would Lee be a genius if Guy hadn't taken an interest in the kid?

Originally posted by AuraAngel
But everything that allows Sakura to be as strong as she is, i.e her chakra control, she had as a genin and it exceeded even Sasuke. What makes Part 1 Sakura so weak is because no one has trained her in anything remotely special. Would Lee be a genius if Guy hadn't taken an interest in the kid?

i know what made her weak was a lack of guidance but that doesnt matter because it doesnt change the fact that she wasnt considered a genius/prodigy during her time as a genin. like i said she excelled in one aspect and paled in comparison to others greatly in everything else. she wasnt going to win in a fight against any of the other geniuses

just because she was better than sasuke at chakra contol doesnt mean sasuke would ever lose to her. she was in no way ever better than sasuke as a ninja


Now as she grew in ranks that is when she started to shine.

this whole thread is about who were the genius genin/prodigal genin. Sakura does not fit that mold.

Originally posted by yungz22
i started this thread and was talking about GENIN. as a genin sakura was nothing extraordinary. she was not a considered a genius within he class. Its just fact Sakura when she was a genin was not gonna beat any of the other higher tier noteworthy genin. hell even kiba and choji could have beaten her at that time.

just because you werent considered a prodigy as a child doesnt mean that you arent going to grow into a ninja worth recognition tho. she did grow into a noteworthy ninja but that doesnt mean she her peers considered as a prodigy/genius when she was younger.

seriously all she could do back then is walk on water and stick to trees eaier than her opponents. She didnt even start training medical jutsu until the end of part 1.

You said "former genin", and you asked everyone who they thought were genii, not who was considered to be a genius in Naruto-verse by their peers and teachers.

So based on that, Sakura is a genius/prodigy. The mere fact that she's a better medic nin than Chiyo with only 3 years of training testifies to that.
And unlike most of her peers, she doesn't have a Kekkei Genkai, or abnormally large amounts of special chakra.
Lee & Shikamaru are the only ninjas who are comparable, and Lee was taught to use the Gates from a young age.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
You said "former genin", and you asked everyone who they thought were genii, not who was considered to be a genius in Naruto-verse by their peers and teachers.

So based on that, Sakura is a genius/prodigy. The mere fact that she's a better medic nin than Chiyo with only 3 years of training testifies to that.
And unlike most of her peers, she doesn't have a Kekkei Genkai, or abnormally large amounts of special chakra.
Lee & Shikamaru are the only ninjas who are comparable, and Lee was taught to use the Gates from a young age.

Im not disagreeing that she didnt grow to be an exceptional ninja but at the end of the day as a genin she wasnt seen as special
Some flowers take longer to bloom than others

Or sunlight and water. :l

If sakura was a genius or exceptional genin like you guys say she was how come shika didnt choose her to help him retrieve sasuke?
Remember tsunade told him to assemble exceptional genin for the mission

Shino wasnt in the village at the time whats sakuras excuse

Again, just because it's written in that Sakura or whoever else learns so and so for so and so amount of time means next to nothing in my book. To be worthy of the title of genius isn't very hard to come by in the Naruto universe according to a lot of the posts here.

Are we really considering Sakura and Naruto geniuses? Sakura is the opposite of a quick thinker and Naruto is horrendous strategist when forced to work in a team. He mostly comes through because of having the battle weighted toward him for being the main villain + having Nine Tails. Otherwise, he would be the first to die in every battle.

Leave the genius terms to characters who deserve it, like Shikamaru, Kakashi and Itachi. Dare I say it, Guy is far more intelligent than those fools Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura

Originally posted by therapist1
Again, just because it's written in that Sakura or whoever else learns so and so for so and so amount of time means next to nothing in my book. To be worthy of the title of genius isn't very hard to come by in the Naruto universe according to a lot of the posts here.

Are we really considering Sakura and Naruto geniuses? Sakura is the opposite of a quick thinker and Naruto is horrendous strategist when forced to work in a team. He mostly comes through because of having the battle weighted toward him for being the main villain + having Nine Tails. Otherwise, he would be the first to die in every battle.

Leave the genius terms to characters who deserve it, like Shikamaru, Kakashi and Itachi. Dare I say it, Guy is far more intelligent than those fools Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura

In naruto world the word genius works synonymously with prodigy.

Of the konoha 11
Naruto
Lee
Sasuke
Neji
Shino
Shikamaru
All did things that were prodigous for their age and rank as ninja in the naruto world.

Originally posted by chasedown
In naruto world the word genius works synonymously with prodigy.

Of the konoha 11
Naruto
Lee
Sasuke
Neji
Shino
Shikamaru
All did things that were prodigous for their age and rank as ninja in the naruto world.

Ah, okay. I apologize. That, I can agree with.

I do wish we could add some girls to that list . Naruto as a show is such a great idea but falls short on the girls.

Originally posted by chasedown
Im not disagreeing that she didnt grow to be an exceptional ninja but at the end of the day as a genin she wasnt seen as special
Some flowers take longer to bloom than others

Part 2 Sakura is still an adolescent.

Shikamaru wasn't seen by most as special either, until right before he became a chuunin at least. The same goes for Shino, who I have no clue as to why you've listed him as a prodigy. Even in-universe, he isn't considered a genius in any way, even though he's a fairly good tactician.
Yet you've listed them as prodigies.

Originally posted by chasedown
In naruto world the word genius works synonymously with prodigy.

Of the konoha 11
Naruto
Lee
Sasuke
Neji
Shino
Shikamaru
All did things that were prodigous for their age and rank as ninja in the naruto world.

Since we're apparently looking at the rookie 9 as genins, what did Shikamaru do as a genin that made him a prodigy?

The first test of the Chuunin exams actually implies that Sakura is more intelligent than Shikamaru who himself has a 200+ IQ (lol).

tsunade herself told shikamaru to gather exceptional genin for the sasuke retrieval mission. Sakura was not even on his list of candidates for the mission. He was going to get shino but he was already on a mission.

Exceptional genin =/= prodigies.

So, what did Shikamaru and Shino do as genins that made them prodigious?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Exceptional genin =/= prodigies.

So, what did Shikamaru and Shino do as genins that made them prodigious?

Wait when was it said that sakura was smarter than shika?
Shikamaru was praised by kakashi who was a genius himself saying something along the lines of shika being as smart as him.
He outsmarted 9 sound ninja by himself
Thought of over 100 steps ahead of temari
Impressed the hokage and was the only one to become a chunnin
Even asuma said he could be hokage if he was t lazy

Shino was kind of overshadowed but his strength was always hinted as extraordinary. Even in his fights against kankoro and zaku.

And like i said shika wanted shino on his team after choji because of his strength but he wasnt in the village at the time.

So your only a prodigy if everyone goes crazy over you? Well that seems a bit unfair.

Well in terms of actual accomplishment Sakura would definitely fit the bill for prodigy. Just because nobody prior to Tsunade could unlock Sakura's potential doesn't make her any less of one. Besides wasn't she regarded as one of the smartest students way back in ninja school? Also there's the whole thing with Sakura going from being completely unimpressive to having better destruction feat that Tsunade on top of beinga better medical nin than Chiyo in the span of 3 years.

Heck Naruto pre-skip could've been regarded as genius to a certain extent: dude did summon Gamabunta, mastered Rasengan in less than a week, and learned how to make Shadow clones in a few hours.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
So your only a prodigy if everyone goes crazy over you? Well that seems a bit unfair.

Well in terms of actual accomplishment Sakura would definitely fit the bill for prodigy. Just because nobody prior to Tsunade could unlock Sakura's potential doesn't make her any less of one. Besides wasn't she regarded as one of the smartest students way back in ninja school? Also there's the whole thing with Sakura going from being completely unimpressive to having better destruction feat that Tsunade on top of beinga better medical nin than Chiyo in the span of 3 years.

Heck Naruto pre-skip could've been regarded as genius to a certain extent: dude did summon Gamabunta, mastered Rasengan in less than a week, and learned how to make Shadow clones in a few hours.

Not that academia holds too much weight, but I thought it was Into who was a top scoring student.

I find all the accomplishments we can list to be unconvincing. I believe. It is simply a result of inconsistent writing and the creator throwing in random powers for the main characters because they were due to know it. There is nothing about their personalities or actions that suggest they may be so much more talented than the other ninjas, except for maybe Naruto's "never giving up" mentality and ridiculous amount of chakras.

Whenever I think of Sakura in battle, I remember when like three different people had to save her while she literally sat on the ground and gave commentary. I think she fought with at some poi t and started biting the enemy while getting pummeled. It was so painful to watch that I have no idea of her abilities in Shippuden other than that she is stronger.

Still yet, even if she is a prodigy, the decision she makes to kill Sasuke and offer her services to him as soon as she sees him negates EVERYTHING that could have been redeeming. I cannot care for characters who are shown to be talented but waste themselves on either lost causes or dumb goals. I just can't take prodigious dummies seriously

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Exceptional genin =/= prodigies.

So, what did Shikamaru and Shino do as genins that made them prodigious?
Kakashi gave shika praises saying something like he was a smart or smarter than him. And asuma said he could be hokage if he wasnt so lazy.

Shino has kind of been oversshadowed but weve seen glimpses of his strength in both of his fights and hes his strength was also hinted because he was sent when shika said he was one of the first ppl he thought of to bring with him on the sasuke retrieval mission

Ma b didnt mean to post twice

Originally posted by therapist1
Not that academia holds too much weight, but I thought it was Into who was a top scoring student.

I find all the accomplishments we can list to be unconvincing. I believe. It is simply a result of inconsistent writing and the creator throwing in random powers for the main characters because they were due to know it. There is nothing about their personalities or actions that suggest they may be so much more talented than the other ninjas, except for maybe Naruto's "never giving up" mentality and ridiculous amount of chakras.

Whenever I think of Sakura in battle, I remember when like three different people had to save her while she literally sat on the ground and gave commentary. I think she fought with at some poi t and started biting the enemy while getting pummeled. It was so painful to watch that I have no idea of her abilities in Shippuden other than that she is stronger.

Still yet, even if she is a prodigy, the decision she makes to kill Sasuke and offer her services to him as soon as she sees him negates EVERYTHING that could have been redeeming. I cannot care for characters who are shown to be talented but waste themselves on either lost causes or dumb goals. I just can't take prodigious dummies seriously

Yea i dont see how she was a genius when the best she could do as a genin hit someone with a tree trap.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Exceptional genin =/= prodigies.

So, what did Shikamaru and Shino do as genins that made them prodigious?

I can't speak for Shino, but I have always enjoyed Shikamaru's fights. Personally, I think Kakashi's are more cleverly done, but Shikamaru is resourceful and creative with his shadow jutsus. He is certainly written out to think like a genius, using problem solving and running various scenarios through his head and alwas being careful to make sure as little goes wrong as possible. He can read into battles and determine the victor before anyone wins quite easily. On top of the details of his IQ and affinity for puzzles and tactical games, I consider him to be beyond passable as a genius.

If we are considering prodigies to be different, then I think Shikamafu is too smart and lazy to bream his back in order to become that powerful or "prodigious" or whatever. If it's not his passion, then so what

Originally posted by chasedown
Wait when was it said that sakura was smarter than shika?
Shikamaru was praised by kakashi who was a genius himself saying something along the lines of shika being as smart as him.
He outsmarted 9 sound ninja by himself
Thought of over 100 steps ahead of temari
Impressed the hokage and was the only one to become a chunnin
Even asuma said he could be hokage if he was t lazy

Shino was kind of overshadowed but his strength was always hinted as extraordinary. Even in his fights against kankoro and zaku.

And like i said shika wanted shino on his team after choji because of his strength but he wasnt in the village at the time.

She's not more intelligent in terms of strategic prowess obviously, but she was the only one who could answer the questions on the first Chuunin test. Shikamaru apparently needed to get the answers from Ino, who got them from Sakura. So yes, Sakura is, in a way, smarter than Shikamaru.
Sakura was praised by Kakashi, and Tsunade, and wasn't Shikamaru praised by Kakashi when he was a Chuunin?
Ah right, forgot his fight against those sound nin was before he became a Chuunin.

He certainly was fairly strong for his age, but that isn't enough to warrant him being called a genius like Neji and Sasuke.

Shikamaru wanting Shino on his team does little to help your point. Again, exceptional genin =/= prodigy. Is Kiba a prodigy like Neji? Is Chouji?

You're way too loose with the term prodigy. A prodigy would be someone like a 7 year old Sasuke mastering a jutsu that was Chuunin level and above; or a 16 year old Sakura mastering medical ninjutsu such that someone as experienced and skilled as Chiyo was her inferior; or a 17 year old Lee being able to open 6 Gates when more experienced ninja can't even open 1; or a 16 year old Shikamaru coming up with a plan that took out 2 Akatsuki members, one of whom was a ninja old enough to have fought against Hashirama. A dude with awesome shades who out-thinks his opponent in one battle is not a prodigy.

A prodigy is a young person who is proficient enough in a field to the point where they're comparable to much older people who have far more experience in said field.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
She's not more intelligent in terms of strategic prowess obviously, but she was the only one who could answer the questions on the first Chuunin test. Shikamaru apparently needed to get the answers from Ino, who got them from Sakura. So yes, Sakura is, in a way, smarter than Shikamaru.
Sakura was praised by Kakashi, and Tsunade, and wasn't Shikamaru praised by Kakashi when he was a Chuunin?
Ah right, forgot his fight against those sound nin was before he became a Chuunin.

He certainly was fairly strong for his age, but that isn't enough to warrant him being called a genius like Neji and Sasuke.

Shikamaru wanting Shino on his team does little to help your point. Again, exceptional genin =/= prodigy. Is Kiba a prodigy like Neji? Is Chouji?

You're way too loose with the term prodigy. A prodigy would be someone like a 7 year old Sasuke mastering a jutsu that was Chuunin level and above; or a 16 year old Sakura mastering medical ninjutsu such that someone as experienced and skilled as Chiyo was her inferior; or a 17 year old Lee being able to open 6 Gates when more experienced ninja can't even open 1; or a 16 year old Shikamaru coming up with a plan that took out 2 Akatsuki members, one of whom was a ninja old enough to have fought against Hashirama. A dude with awesome shades who out-thinks his opponent in one battle is not a prodigy.

A prodigy is a young person who is proficient enough in a field to the point where they're comparable to much older people who have far more experience in said field.

Im sure shika would have passed the test. He just took the usual lazy route and cheated. Note how quickly he deduced the purpose of the test.

What accomplishments did sakura have as a genin that put her above any of the other genin let alone any chunnin or jonin.

Lol shika did outsmart sound ninja during the invasion when he was still just a genin. The boys iq is over 200 and he has impressed even the hokage himself

Kiba was on the team by default. Shikamaru went looking for shino and couldnt find him. Kiba just happened to be around so he picked him up.

Shino is probably the only one ill take back just due to lack of information we really have other than ppl being afraid of him but even so he was still better than sakura as a genin.

All the ppl i named have done stuff that only someone of jonin rank was known to do while they were genin. Sakura is just not one of those ppl

Originally posted by chasedown
Im sure shika would have passed the test. He just took the usual lazy route and cheated. Note how quickly he deduced the purpose of the test.

What accomplishments did sakura have as a genin that put her above any of the other genin let alone any chunnin or jonin.

Lol shika did outsmart sound ninja during the invasion when he was still just a genin. The boys iq is over 200 and he has impressed even the hokage himself


I agree. Shikamaru gets bad grades because he is lazy if anything. Sakura is not smarter than him. I would say no one in the series except for maybe his dad is smarter than Shikamaru.

Lol sakura's not even the leader of the medical unit during this war