Kratos vs Dante

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Kennedyward
I think this battle would last a long time eh?

Gumachi
Dante.

Wil7
Both are good, but to me, Dante is alittle better.

First_Tsurugi06
Max power Kratos >>> Max power Dante. Otherwise, I'll have to ask of the circumstances.

MadMel
this has been done so many times erm
it depends on which versions of each characters imo..
i can see dante taking out god kratos, but normal kratos...yea, definately..

Wil7
Yeah, I say GOW2 Kratos can beat DMC3 Dante, but not DMC4 Dante.

Nemesis X
Just what we need, another Dante vs. Kratos. Sooner or later you're gonna expect Dark-Jaxx attacking this thread lol.

k1Lla441
This is an ok fight, but kratos takes this easy, due to brutality, insane reflexes, brute strength, endurance, magic, and better weapons.

Wil7
Originally posted by k1Lla441
This is an ok fight, but kratos takes this easy, due to brutality, insane reflexes, brute strength, endurance, magic, and better weapons.

Ok fight, this is an awesome fight. Kratos can't take this easy, in fact, as I already said, Dante wins. So Kratos deflected lightning, that is impresive, but Dante has Pandora, Vergil's weapon, Ebony and Ivory, those claw type weapons, and more, which with these is alot better than Kratos's weapons. Dante has the different fighting styles, insane reflexes, ability to dodge bullets from arms length, Devil mode, and has defeated god-like monsters, or they could be considered semi god-like monsters.

Marvelknight
Dante.

First_Tsurugi06
Originally posted by Wil7
Ok fight, this is an awesome fight. Kratos can't take this easy, in fact, as I already said, Dante wins. So Kratos deflected lightning, that is impresive, but Dante has Pandora, Vergil's weapon, Ebony and Ivory, those claw type weapons, and more, which with these is alot better than Kratos's weapons. Dante has the different fighting styles, insane reflexes, ability to dodge bullets from arms length, Devil mode, and has defeated god-like monsters, or they could be considered semi god-like monsters.

First of all, not one of Dante's weapons are as powerful as the Blade of Olympus or (the GoW series version of) Pandora's box. Both of which have been shown to bestow the power of the Gods/kill a God. That, and unlike the demons and creatures that go by certain names in DMC, the Gods and creatures in God of War are actually meant to be the same beings as their mythological counterparts and not just based on them, ultimately being in name only. Kratos has defeated at least three Gods, only one of which was PIS, as well as the Sisters of Fate, who are more powerful than even the Gods, Titans, etc, who by shown canon have only been killed by the Gods/God's power (both time Kratos was killed, it was at the hands of the Gods). Dante by feats and implied canon is faster and more durable than Kratos, but Kratos by canon feats is physically stronger, has better magic, more powerful weapons (his best ones at least), and at his peak has the power of the Gods, Titans, and the Sisters of Fate.

Dante could probably take CoO Kratos and Pre-Pandora's Box Kratos, but a GoW2 and/or all-powers Kratos would take any form of Dante, not necessarily with ease, but ultiamtely has more than enough resources to not worry about what the hell a gun is.

Gumachi
Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
First of all, not one of Dante's weapons are as powerful as the Blade of Olympus or (the GoW series version of) Pandora's box. Both of which have been shown to bestow the power of the Gods/kill a God. That, and unlike the demons and creatures that go by certain names in DMC, the Gods and creatures in God of War are actually meant to be the same beings as their mythological counterparts and not just based on them, ultimately being in name only. Kratos has defeated at least three Gods, only one of which was PIS, as well as the Sisters of Fate, who are more powerful than even the Gods, Titans, etc, who by shown canon have only been killed by the Gods/God's power (both time Kratos was killed, it was at the hands of the Gods). Dante by feats and implied canon is faster and more durable than Kratos, but Kratos by canon feats is physically stronger, has better magic, more powerful weapons (his best ones at least), and at his peak has the power of the Gods, Titans, and the Sisters of Fate.

Dante could probably take CoO Kratos and Pre-Pandora's Box Kratos, but a GoW2 and/or all-powers Kratos would take any form of Dante, not necessarily with ease, but ultiamtely has more than enough resources to not worry about what the hell a gun is.

Sparda is as powerful as Pandora's Box(PB on GOW is bascially power of a God). Yamato is as powerful as Blade of Olympus(I think). Dante has defeated Gods also. Where is your proof that he is more powerful than a Titan. Dante can also stop time. Has power of Demons. God of War II Kratos couldn't take Sparda's Form. Gilgamesh? Dark Slayer? Ifrit? Yamato? Alastor? Cerberus? Rebellion? Merciless? Vengetta? Trickster & Royal Guard?

Wil7
Sparda is as powerful as Pandora's Box(PB on GOW is bascially power of a God). Yamato is as powerful as Blade of Olympus(I think). Dante has defeated Gods also. Where is your proof that he is more powerful than a Titan. Dante can also stop time. Has power of Demons. God of War II Kratos couldn't take Sparda's Form. Gilgamesh? Dark Slayer? Ifrit? Yamato? Alastor? Cerberus? Rebellion? Merciless? Vengetta? Trickster & Royal Guard?

Dark-Jaxx
Originally posted by Nemesis X
Just what we need, another Dante vs. Kratos. Sooner or later you're gonna expect Dark-Jaxx attacking this thread lol. And what exactly was this little irrelevant off-topic comment supposed to mean?

And which Kratos?

Gumachi
God of War Kratos I guess.

First_Tsurugi06
Originally posted by Gumachi
Sparda is as powerful as Pandora's Box(PB on GOW is bascially power of a God). Yamato is as powerful as Blade of Olympus(I think). Dante has defeated Gods also. Where is your proof that he is more powerful than a Titan. Dante can also stop time. Has power of Demons. God of War II Kratos couldn't take Sparda's Form. Gilgamesh? Dark Slayer? Ifrit? Yamato? Alastor? Cerberus? Rebellion? Merciless? Vengetta? Trickster & Royal Guard?

Not a way in hell is Yamato as powerful as the BoO. Until it can do something to match unleashing a near world-scaping blast that banished the Titans to the underworld, or destroy an entire city's worth of soldiers with a single slash, or kill a Goddess with one thrust, the closest weapon to the BoO in power is the Sparda Sword which is only said to be so powerful for containing the aforementioned demon's power.

Your list, no disrespect intended, is one that seems to look more into gameplay than rationale. If it proves anything, it's just that Dante is more veratile in-game (and, to a point, out-of-game I admit) than Kratos, making for a deeper combat engine (though Dante is one of few characters who isn't exagerrated in gameplay compared to what he can do canonically, as opposed to countless one-game JRPG characters). What Dante has in "styles", Kratos has in magic, only a fraction of which are unlikely to be effective, because most of them give Kratos an advantage in theoretical AoE versatility. Kratos still has better strength feats than Dante even with Gilgamesh (punching a giant stone monument to rubble IS impressive, don't get me wrong, but I have yet to see him wrangle the Hydra or the Colossus of Rhodes), Kratos has his own power of the Ifrit in the form of a magic spell, the worst Yamato could do has yet to compare with what the BoO at its best can do, as I'd said before.

As for being more powerful than a Titan, by the end of GoWII, he not only commands them as his new army, but given the powers he has over time and destiny, as well as a handful of their magic, with the BoO (which contains his God Powers). Not saying he;s necessarily more powerful, but theoretically speaking, he has the resources to keep them in check. Kratos as a God could with one gesture make Dante's head explode before Dante even goes Devil Trigger, not counting the blatant size advantage. The closest thing to a God that Dante has defeated was Argosax.

And which Kratos?

Do you mean which character Kratos (Kray-tos or Krah-tos), or which version of Kratos (GoW1/GoW2/CoO/All-Powers)? Because if it's the latter, I have to ask the same thing.

Gumachi
Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
Not a way in hell is Yamato as powerful as the BoO. Until it can do something to match unleashing a near world-scaping blast that banished the Titans to the underworld, or destroy an entire city's worth of soldiers with a single slash, or kill a Goddess with one thrust, the closest weapon to the BoO in power is the Sparda Sword which is only said to be so powerful for containing the aforementioned demon's power. Dante was powerful enough to kill Argosax in 1 blow(his power and not someone's else with The Blade). And no I don't have anything agains't Kratos.

Your list, no disrespect intended, is one that seems to look more into gameplay than rationale. If it proves anything, it's just that Dante is more veratile in-game (and, to a point, out-of-game I admit) than Kratos, making for a deeper combat engine (though Dante is one of few characters who isn't exagerrated in gameplay compared to what he can do canonically, as opposed to countless one-game JRPG characters). What Dante has in "styles", Kratos has in magic, only a fraction of which are unlikely to be effective, because most of them give Kratos an advantage in theoretical AoE versatility. Kratos still has better strength feats than Dante even with Gilgamesh (punching a giant stone monument to rubble IS impressive, don't get me wrong, but I have yet to see him wrangle the Hydra or the Colossus of Rhodes), Kratos has his own power of the Ifrit in the form of a magic spell, the worst Yamato could do has yet to compare with what the BoO at its best can do, as I'd said before.

As for being more powerful than a Titan, by the end of GoWII, he not only commands them as his new army, but given the powers he has over time and destiny, as well as a handful of their magic, with the BoO (which contains his God Powers). Not saying he;s necessarily more powerful, but theoretically speaking, he has the resources to keep them in check. Kratos as a God could with one gesture make Dante's head explode before Dante even goes Devil Trigger, not counting the blatant size advantage. The closest thing to a God that Dante has defeated was Argosax.

And which Kratos?

Do you mean which character Kratos (Kray-tos or Krah-tos), or which version of Kratos (GoW1/GoW2/CoO/All-Powers)?

Yamato sealed the demon world. Devil Trigger>Rage of The Titans. Hydra or Collosus? Dante defeated The Savior and Echidna and there are worser than those 2. Just because he commands them doesn't mean he is more powerful than them. Yeah he can but Dante has defeated Mundus(A God), Satan, Michael Archangel, Odin and more. Dante could easily kill Zeus. Im tired of the Kratos "killed a God thing". Kratos power still can be robbed from him. His regeneration is too high. He's a mortal and he still can die llike a human. So what if he killed Gods(In Mortal Bodies). Mundus was waaaay worser. Zeus got his ass kicked by Kratos(A mortal--yes it was shocking). But only the power of Sparda can defeat Mundus. Dante can go Sparda DT. And High Gods like Sparda are immortal. And what makes u think Cronos Rage will hurt him? He is too fast for Kratos. He is still a Mortal and can die like onw. Yes The Blade could kill him BUT. Royal Guard can block all of the attacks. And Asorb it's power using it against him. Dante has "God" powers also(Ifrit and Alastor Gods in DMC are like Demons). And what makes u think he could make his head explode? He only did that to Full Humans. Why did he just make Kratos head explode then? Just because it killed Athena in 1 blow doesn't mean it will do the same to Dante. He could asorb all of The Blade's magic with the Royal Guard. Even if he has power of fate. He can't travel to Dante's time. Dante hasn't died. Kratos has twice. Kratos can still get impaled and die. The only Devil Arm that has actually hurt Dante was Yamato. Kratos is slow compared to Dante. Besides, Kratos can't teleport. ROTT doesn't allow regeneration. DT does. Dante also has lighting, fire & wind. He could asord. Crono's Rage, Typhon's bow.

fascistcrusader
Dante via speedblitz.

Gumachi
Not to mention Kratos has defeated Gods using The "GODS" power he hasn't used his own. The Blade can't seal an entire world nor cut thru dementions. It's not that he defeated The Fates to get his Time Powers but stepping thru a mirror. The Gods in GOW can easily die by getting impaled. Dante is a half human got impaled 4 times and lived. If your saying this is GOWII Kratos and he has Titans. Why does he need the Titans backing him up on a one-on-one fight? Dante has slayed Atlas The Titan. You also forgot Dante can use Jackpot Seal--Sealing Kratos under Hell under his own power.

Gumachi
Not to mention Dante could kill Zeus. Kratos is a Mortal and he almost defeated Zeus. Dante WOULD defeat Zeus.

Wei Phoenix
Originally posted by Gumachi
Not to mention Dante could kill Zeus. Kratos is a Mortal and he almost defeated Zeus. Dante WOULD defeat Zeus.

Technically he did defeat Zeus. The only reason why he didn't kill him was because Athena jumped in the way.

Wei Phoenix
Originally posted by Gumachi
Not to mention Kratos has defeated Gods using The "GODS" power he hasn't used his own. The Blade can't seal an entire world nor cut thru dementions. It's not that he defeated The Fates to get his Time Powers but stepping thru a mirror. The Gods in GOW can easily die by getting impaled. Dante is a half human got impaled 4 times and lived. If your saying this is GOWII Kratos and he has Titans. Why does he need the Titans backing him up on a one-on-one fight? Dante has slayed Atlas The Titan. You also forgot Dante can use Jackpot Seal--Sealing Kratos under Hell under his own power.

In game feats and abilities are not used here. If that was the case then Kratos could use his golden fleece to block all attacks and counter.

Gumachi
He can't block ALL attacks. And Jackpot isn't ingame(I think). GF can't block Jackpot. And don't forget Royal Guard. Technially he never KILLED Zeus like people say. Dante can impale him with Sparda's Sword. Besides Zeus isn't that BIG of a deal(and this includes Mundus/Argosax from DMC also). I give Kratos the credit for near killing Zeus now that I do.

k1Lla441
Originally posted by Gumachi
Sparda is as powerful as Pandora's Box(PB on GOW is bascially power of a God). Yamato is as powerful as Blade of Olympus(I think). Dante has defeated Gods also. Where is your proof that he is more powerful than a Titan. Dante can also stop time. Has power of Demons. God of War II Kratos couldn't take Sparda's Form. Gilgamesh? Dark Slayer? Ifrit? Yamato? Alastor? Cerberus? Rebellion? Merciless? Vengetta? Trickster & Royal Guard?
Kratos murders in every way possible. The BoO, with one strike from zues, destroyed all the titans in the great titan war, so dont tell me the yamato is as strong as it.

Let me go over this again:

Brutality: If you pick dante, then obviously you havent played GoW.

Strength: kratos, easily. he stopped atlas' hand from crushing him, who, guess what, holds up the earths crust, so he is pretty strong.

Speed: In body movement, definitely dante. Hes too fast. But in reaction speed, i have to go with kratos since he did block lightning, and nothing dante has is faster than lightning.

Magic: Kratos, has super rapid lock on arrows, medusas head to freeze, zues' thunderbolts, rage of the titans, and can start mini quakes.

Weapons: Besides the BoO, i kinda have to give it a lil to dante because kratos only has 2 good weapons.

Wei Phoenix
Originally posted by Gumachi
He can't block ALL attacks. And Jackpot isn't ingame(I think). GF can't block Jackpot. And don't forget Royal Guard. Technially he never KILLED Zeus like people say. Dante can impale him with Sparda's Sword. Besides Zeus isn't that BIG of a deal(and this includes Mundus/Argosax from DMC also). I give Kratos the credit for near killing Zeus now that I do.

Have you seen the golden fleece not block someone? Have you seen Jackpot used in a cutscene? Have you seen royal guard used in a cut scene?

No one said he killed Zeus. Anyone who did obviously didn't beat the game and Zeus is a huge challenge seeing as he had the Blade of Olympus.

Gumachi
I own GOWII. I mean some people say he killed Zeus. The Golden Fleece can't block a giant's attack or The Blade. Yes Jackpot is used in a scene. When you defeat Mundus. And kill Argosax. Have you seen Golden Fleece used in a cutscene? Zeus wasn't worser than Mundus.

Gumachi
Originally posted by k1Lla441
Kratos murders in every way possible. The BoO, with one strike from zues, destroyed all the titans in the great titan war, so dont tell me the yamato is as strong as it.

Let me go over this again:

Brutality: If you pick dante, then obviously you havent played GoW.

Strength: kratos, easily. he stopped atlas' hand from crushing him, who, guess what, holds up the earths crust, so he is pretty strong.

Speed: In body movement, definitely dante. Hes too fast. But in reaction speed, i have to go with kratos since he did block lightning, and nothing dante has is faster than lightning.

Magic: Kratos, has super rapid lock on arrows, medusas head to freeze, zues' thunderbolts, rage of the titans, and can start mini quakes.

Weapons: Besides the BoO, i kinda have to give it a lil to dante because kratos only has 2 good weapons.

I've played and beat both GOWs. Dante is faster. Because I doubt Kratos could even chop bullets in half. Hell Dante was actually catching on fire after he got his Devil Trigger. Besides The Blade has to HIT Dante. Dante also has a Giant Laser Cannon. And Super Regeneration. Athena Blades probably wouldn't hurt him. AS for magic. That wind is weak and wouldn't effect him. Dante can take attacks from The Savior himself and it's nonething to him. He can asorb his power and use it against him. Zeus thunderbolts? Dante Has Alastor. Rage of Titans? Devil Trigger. As for the Miniqauke. Dante can easily go in the air. As for Eurayles Head we don't know if he can be stoned. Yamato was the only weapon to hurt Dante. Kratos has defeated Gods. But not using his own powers. Dante could defeat Zeus. And Kratos is a Mortal and nearly defeated him. Both can stop time. But Dante can stop time the longest. Also he can be in DT hit him and time slows down. Dante also has agility. And The Blade never destroyed the Titans(they can't die). But sealed them in Tartarus under Olympian Power. And The Blade hasn't sealed an ENTIRE WORLD(not saying it's more powerful). Besides it isn't like The Blade would kill Dante in 1 hit.

Gumachi
Zeus wasn't that big of a deal. He was just a God throwing Lighting and Lighting Bolts around. Dante is also fast enough to dodge lighting(fight you fight Nevan). The only reason Kratos was about to "nearly kill" Zeus was because he had to trick him. Now Kratos climbing out of Hell is big. I admit that Dante Hell...scratch that it's not even Hell. It's not Pain and Agony like Kratos Hell.

First_Tsurugi06
Originally posted by Gumachi
Zeus wasn't that big of a deal. He was just a God throwing Lighting and Lighting Bolts around. Dante is also fast enough to dodge lighting(fight you fight Nevan). The only reason Kratos was about to "nearly kill" Zeus was because he had to trick him. Now Kratos climbing out of Hell is big. I admit that Dante Hell...scratch that it's not even Hell. It's not Pain and Agony like Kratos Hell.

Maybe not gameplaywise, but in terms of gameplay, God of War is a generally easier game than Devil May Cry. There are more things pointing out how Dante wouldn't defeat Zeus as he doesn't have the means at all: You say that Kratos had defeated Zeus with the Gods' power, which is something Dante does not have, for 2/3 of the fight with Zeus, Kratos had taken him head on and managed to land blows on him. Kratos has pretty much proven that he's above any ordinary mortal, being the son of Zeus thus a demigod, so don't try diminishing it based on preference; Kratos has had Godly blood in him from the beginning.

The Sisters of Fate alone were more powerful than the Gods in general, and Kratos had no help in defeating them, nor did he have an extra boost in power like he did against Ares; His victory over them is one of the contributions to Kratos' victory in this fight. Kratos can do more than just stop time, he's shown on at least one occasion to be able to travel freely from one point in time to the other, and in controlling to loom chamber, he controls time and fate. A boss like Echidna hardly matches the Hydra at all. Aside from possessing more intelligence, she was nothing more than a lesser version. The Savior was of a more serious background, but its flaws are ones that the Colossus of Rhodes didn't have (i.e. speed that was proportionate to its size), and my point is that Dante had never tossed the Savior with his bare hands like Kratos did against the Colossus, giving him but another strength feat over Dante. If the Blade of Olympus could kill a Goddess with one thrust, it could do the same to a half-demon(the only reason Zeus took so many stabs was because of being the most powerful of the Gods, and possibly because he had forged the weapon). Again, a fully-powered Kratos has every advantage over a fully powered Dante sans speed, there's nothing preventing the BoO from one-shotting Dante based on its own feats. Also, both times I recall Dante using jackpot, it was with the assistance of another demon's power.

Dark-Jaxx
I hate DMC fanboys almost as much as the series itself...And why is it that they are always a source of misinformation on the opposing character's traits?

Strength: Kratos. In every way possible. He tossed the gigantic Collossus of Rhodes a mile away, mangled the giant Hydra, and impaled the building sized Clotho with a giant gullotine.

Speed: Dante of course moves faster. But in a non-optional scene in the game, he blocks and deflects lightning. Dante is not faster than that.

Durability: Kratos gets sent flying for miles and through several feet of stone, and has a threesome afterwards.

Versatility: I am not sure what Dante has as of DMC4, but Kratos now has the Blade of Olympus, which has world-scaping and in a weaker form ended the Great Titan War in one blow. He has blades he controls through a form of TK, he has a hammer which causes fissures and summons the souls of the dead. He can lay lightning traps, cause fissures by pounding the ground with magic, fire arrows of wind and cause mini tornadoes, he can deflect attacks with the Golden Fleece, and now is a God of Time, able to travel through it at will. Kills baby Dante in the cradle ftw.

Skill: Kratos is an experienced Spartan General, and is well versed in several fighting styles. He trumps Dante in this regard.

Nemesis X
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
And what exactly was this little irrelevant off-topic comment supposed to mean?

It means that you hate Dante no expression

Dark-Jaxx
Oh.

Well in that case, yes, yes I do.

Wil7
Originally posted by k1Lla441
Kratos murders in every way possible. The BoO, with one strike from zues, destroyed all the titans in the great titan war, so dont tell me the yamato is as strong as it.

Let me go over this again:

Brutality: If you pick dante, then obviously you havent played GoW.

Strength: kratos, easily. he stopped atlas' hand from crushing him, who, guess what, holds up the earths crust, so he is pretty strong.

Speed: In body movement, definitely dante. Hes too fast. But in reaction speed, i have to go with kratos since he did block lightning, and nothing dante has is faster than lightning.

Magic: Kratos, has super rapid lock on arrows, medusas head to freeze, zues' thunderbolts, rage of the titans, and can start mini quakes.

Weapons: Besides the BoO, i kinda have to give it a lil to dante because kratos only has 2 good weapons.

Don't think Kratos wins everyway possible. Kratos would lose in a battle of comedy against Dante, smile.

Brutality- Kratos

Strength- Kratos

Speed- Dante, and that is all he needs

Magic- Well since Dante doesn't really have any magic, Kratos

Weapons- Dante with ease

Still say Dante for the win.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Oh.

Well in that case, yes, yes I do.

Well that isn't right. You can't just say Dante lose just because you don't like his games.

Dark-Jaxx
Originally posted by Wil7
Speed- Dante, and that is all he needs

Weapons- Dante with ease

Well that isn't right. You can't just say Dante lose just because you don't like his games. 1. Is Dante faster than Lightning? Answer this question.

2. Name a single one of Dante's weapons that can even come close to rivaling the Blade of Olympus. Hell, name a single BEING in DMC who has shown the power output of the Blade of Olympus.

3. Who said that was what I was doing?

Nemesis X
If they make a DMC5, I'm going to laugh.

Wei Phoenix
Originally posted by Nemesis X
If they make a DMC5, I'm going to laugh.

It'll probably be another prequel to 2. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but isn't 4 still canonnically before 2?

Wil7
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Is Dante faster than Lightning? Answer this question.

2. Name a single one of Dante's weapons that can even come close to rivaling the Blade of Olympus. Hell, name a single BEING in DMC who has shown the power output of the Blade of Olympus.

That is called better reflexes, not speed.

Yamato, and Pandora. They might not be stronger, but there close enough.

Dark-Jaxx
Originally posted by Wil7
That is called better reflexes, not speed.

Yamato, and Pandora. They might not be stronger, but there close enough. 1. And reflexes are more important in a fight than speed. Can the world's fastest sprinter beat a UFC champion in a fight now?

2. They are nowhere close in any way, shape or form, unless you have some sort of reasoning behind your view?

Gumachi
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
I hate DMC fanboys almost as much as the series itself...And why is it that they are always a source of misinformation on the opposing character's traits?

Strength: Kratos. In every way possible. He tossed the gigantic Collossus of Rhodes a mile away, mangled the giant Hydra, and impaled the building sized Clotho with a giant gullotine.

Speed: Dante of course moves faster. But in a non-optional scene in the game, he blocks and deflects lightning. Dante is not faster than that.

Durability: Kratos gets sent flying for miles and through several feet of stone, and has a threesome afterwards.

Versatility: I am not sure what Dante has as of DMC4, but Kratos now has the Blade of Olympus, which has world-scaping and in a weaker form ended the Great Titan War in one blow. He has blades he controls through a form of TK, he has a hammer which causes fissures and summons the souls of the dead. He can lay lightning traps, cause fissures by pounding the ground with magic, fire arrows of wind and cause mini tornadoes, he can deflect attacks with the Golden Fleece, and now is a God of Time, able to travel through it at will. Kills baby Dante in the cradle ftw.

Skill: Kratos is an experienced Spartan General, and is well versed in several fighting styles. He trumps Dante in this regard.

Not a fanboy. So STOP JUDGING. Anyway he throwed the because he had God Power. He can't travel to his time. If that's in the case Dante can cut Krato's Thread. And Kratos is gonna have to face Dante. The Blade wouldn't even kill Dante. Hell, The Blade isn't even a Devil Arm--but a Divine Weapon The only way to kill Dante is by ripping out his heart with a Devil Arm(revealed in anime). Kratos is still a immortal. That hammer is slow as hell and Dante is too fast. How can he travel in Dante's time when Dante lives in the future? Dante can summon Dopplegangers & Spirtual Swords. How can Kratos stop a Giant Laser at him? Or Rockets? As for Durability he still had God Power. Minitornados? Dante can asorb his power. Including from The Blade--so power from The Blade helps Dante. As for ripping a solider in half. I'm shure Dante could do that. Hell anyone can if the carcase is rotting. Kratos is no doubt WAYYYYY stronger than Dante. Dante has more skill though. He isn't better fighting in skill. Have you looked at the first scene in DMC3? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vehOUNY_1KU GOW fanboys keep saying "KRATOS HAS THE BLADE OF OLYMPUS" crap. He could impale all he wants but it won't kill him. Dante also has Fire Winds. Dante can regenerate Kratos can't. Dante also has Telekenesis powers--I can't find a vid but it's in DMC1. I've played DMC1-DMC3 and GOW-GOWII. I use to think Kratos could beat Dante--Change my mind, went back to Kratos>Dante, now I changed my mind. Who knows though what Kratos will do in GOWIII? He could be powerful as ever in GOWIII. The Blade can't stop Sparda's Form regardless. Dante can summon fire, wind, ice crystals, fire, lighting, bats, rocket, and lots more.

ThunderGodEneru
Originally posted by Gumachi
Not a fanboy. So STOP JUDGING. Anyway he throwed the because he had God Power. He can't travel to his time. If that's in the case Dante can cut Krato's Thread. And Kratos is gonna have to face Dante. The Blade wouldn't even kill Dante. Hell, The Blade isn't even a Devil Arm--but a Divine Weapon The only way to kill Dante is by ripping out his heart with a Devil Arm(revealed in anime). Kratos is still a immortal. That hammer is slow as hell and Dante is too fast. How can he travel in Dante's time when Dante lives in the future? Dante can summon Dopplegangers & Spirtual Swords. How can Kratos stop a Giant Laser at him? Or Rockets? As for Durability he still had God Power. Minitornados? Dante can asorb his power. Including from The Blade--so power from The Blade helps Dante. As for ripping a solider in half. I'm shure Dante could do that. Hell anyone can if the carcase is rotting. Kratos is no doubt WAYYYYY stronger than Dante. Dante has more skill though. He isn't better fighting in skill. Have you looked at the first scene in DMC3? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vehOUNY_1KU GOW fanboys keep saying "KRATOS HAS THE BLADE OF OLYMPUS" crap. He could impale all he wants but it won't kill him. Dante also has Fire Winds. Dante can regenerate Kratos can't. Dante also has Telekenesis powers--I can't find a vid but it's in DMC1. I've played DMC1-DMC3 and GOW-GOWII. I use to think Kratos could beat Dante--Change my mind, went back to Kratos>Dante, now I changed my mind. Who knows though what Kratos will do in GOWIII? He could be powerful as ever in GOWIII. The Blade can't stop Sparda's Form regardless. Dante can summon fire, wind, ice crystals, fire, lighting, bats, rocket, and lots more. This post was full of so much ignorance and bullshit I honestly do not know how to respond.

Gumachi
Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
Maybe not gameplaywise, but in terms of gameplay, God of War is a generally easier game than Devil May Cry. There are more things pointing out how Dante wouldn't defeat Zeus as he doesn't have the means at all: You say that Kratos had defeated Zeus with the Gods' power, which is something Dante does not have, for 2/3 of the fight with Zeus, Kratos had taken him head on and managed to land blows on him. Kratos has pretty much proven that he's above any ordinary mortal, being the son of Zeus thus a demigod, so don't try diminishing it based on preference; Kratos has had Godly blood in him from the beginning.

The Sisters of Fate alone were more powerful than the Gods in general, and Kratos had no help in defeating them, nor did he have an extra boost in power like he did against Ares; His victory over them is one of the contributions to Kratos' victory in this fight. Kratos can do more than just stop time, he's shown on at least one occasion to be able to travel freely from one point in time to the other, and in controlling to loom chamber, he controls time and fate. A boss like Echidna hardly matches the Hydra at all. Aside from possessing more intelligence, she was nothing more than a lesser version. The Savior was of a more serious background, but its flaws are ones that the Colossus of Rhodes didn't have (i.e. speed that was proportionate to its size), and my point is that Dante had never tossed the Savior with his bare hands like Kratos did against the Colossus, giving him but another strength feat over Dante. If the Blade of Olympus could kill a Goddess with one thrust, it could do the same to a half-demon(the only reason Zeus took so many stabs was because of being the most powerful of the Gods, and possibly because he had forged the weapon). Again, a fully-powered Kratos has every advantage over a fully powered Dante sans speed, there's nothing preventing the BoO from one-shotting Dante based on its own feats. Also, both times I recall Dante using jackpot, it was with the assistance of another demon's power.

Kinda odd of you to say he couldn't beat Zeus. But Kratos can defeat Dante--He doesn't know the things os Dante--Vice Versa. It doesn't matter Zeus wasn't that big of a problem. Mundus--King of Demons-That's like a God in DMC. Zeus isn't that big. He has a MORTAL'S BODY. He had to trick Zeus to defeat if, if he didn't trick him he wouldn't have beat him. He had help defeating Ares. Pandora--Power of GODS. He couldn't defeat him w/o Pandora's Box. He tossed it because he had God powers. The Colossus Statue was slow. Throwing the statue has nonething to do with that. Hydra just was a Serpent with 3 heads. Dante killed Levithan--Look at the last book of Job in the Bible. You have no proof the The Blade could kill Dante in 1 hit. No Jackpot was Par with Trish's Power. Besides The Blade isn't even a Devil Arm it wouldn't hurt him--impaling him anyway. Ripping out Dante heart is the only way to kill Dante. Kratos is still a Mortal and can die like one. Besides impaling Kratos with Yamato/Alastor/Force Edge/Sparda's Sword would kill him. if he had that much of GODLY BLOOD. He wouldn't have nearly got defeated by the barbarian--kinda ironic don't you think? Zeus is technially the "God" Of Lighting I think. Zeus has defeated people who hasn't had Mortal Bodies like Zeus. Dante has power of Sparda--more powerful than Zeus(maybe). Besides Dante is too fast to even get HIT by The Blade. He would teleport all over Kratos. Just because the word "GOD" isn't in DMC. Doesn't mean they arn't GODS. High Demons in DMC can be called "Demons" but still be Gods. Also Gods in GOW can easily die by getting impaled once. Dante is HALF HUMAN got impaled 4 times and lived. And just because The Blade kills Gods in The GOW Universe. Doesn't mean it will do the same to Dante(or DMC Universe). And Dante has got shocked by lighting and it didn't harm him once. Wind of a Titan is weak. And Atlas Quake--Dante can jump up for that. Besides WIND isn't a thing to Dante. After all he did defeat Atlas--The "Mighty" Titan. And how can Kratos stop Beowulf?

Wil Deidara
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. And reflexes are more important in a fight than speed. Can the world's fastest sprinter beat a UFC champion in a fight now?

2. They are nowhere close in any way, shape or form, unless you have some sort of reasoning behind your view?

If the sprinter quickly kicked the UFC champ in the balls, then yeah smile, but if not, no.

They are close, just not past Olympus. Pandora can turn into 600 different weapons, and Yamato cuts through gigantic thick steel like a knife goes through cheese.

Gumachi
The Yamato probably(which I highly doubt) would cut thru The Blade(hey who knows?). Since it can cut thru ANYTHING. Kratos has 1 powerful weapon and that's The Blade. Other than that he doesn't stand a chance. Besides lighting was struck by Dante and it didn't harm him. And The Fates are high in authority yeah. But weak physically--Atleast Athrops. And technially he never "killed" fate. He just trapped them inside a mirror sealing them into a realm--just like Dante never killed Mundus but sealed them him in Hell. Now that I actually THINK. God Kratos PROBABLY. would defeat Sparda's Dante(or all Dante's in general). Honestly, i'm tired of "he killed a God" thing. Or "he killed Zeus" So what alot of people are far worser than Zeus(and i'm not saying the DMC universe). And if stepping thru a mirror granted him powers. Dante can do the same and get his powers. Just because he has The Blade or Titans doesn't mean he can't be defeated.

Gumachi
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
This post was full of so much ignorance and bullshit I honestly do not know how to respond.

Just how ignorant your getting of Kratos defeating Dante.

Oops 2 post above some of the things I messed up saying.

k1Lla441
Originally posted by Gumachi
The Yamato probably(which I highly doubt) would cut thru The Blade(hey who knows?). Since it can cut thru ANYTHING. Kratos has 1 powerful weapon and that's The Blade. Other than that he doesn't stand a chance. Besides lighting was struck by Dante and it didn't harm him. And The Fates are high in authority yeah. But weak physically--Atleast Athrops. And technially he never "killed" fate. He just trapped them inside a mirror sealing them into a realm--just like Dante never killed Mundus but sealed them him in Hell. Now that I actually THINK. God Kratos PROBABLY. would defeat Sparda's Dante(or all Dante's in general). Honestly, i'm tired of "he killed a God" thing. Or "he killed Zeus" So what alot of people are far worser than Zeus(and i'm not saying the DMC universe). And if stepping thru a mirror granted him powers. Dante can do the same and get his powers. Just because he has The Blade or Titans doesn't mean he can't be defeated.
If you think in anyway that yamato is stronger than the BoO, then something here is seriously wrong.

I dont care if he took a shot of lighting, thats not the point. the point is that kratos can block lightning. Nothing dante has comes close to that speed, so pretty much nothing in dantes arsenal can hit kratos.

Technically kratos didnt kill zues, no. The only real reason he lived was because athena got in the way. No one here can say that because athena jumped in the way lowers kratos' fighting level, because it doesnt.

We are not saying kratos cant be defeated, so stop putting words on our mouths. All we are saying is that Dante cant beat him. The only real thing dante has is speed, but that doenst help in a situation where he cant even hit him. And even if dante starts or trys to run away, Kratos has lockon wind arrows that can actually start mini tornadoes. Ive played both of the series' and as you can see i do like dante, but in a fight agianst kratos its a murder.

Gumachi
Originally posted by k1Lla441
If you think in anyway that yamato is stronger than the BoO, then something here is seriously wrong.

I dont care if he took a shot of lighting, thats not the point. the point is that kratos can block lightning. Nothing dante has comes close to that speed, so pretty much nothing in dantes arsenal can hit kratos.

Technically kratos didnt kill zues, no. The only real reason he lived was because athena got in the way. No one here can say that because athena jumped in the way lowers kratos' fighting level, because it doesnt.

We are not saying kratos cant be defeated, so stop putting words on our mouths. All we are saying is that Dante cant beat him. The only real thing dante has is speed, but that doenst help in a situation where he cant even hit him. And even if dante starts or trys to run away, Kratos has lockon wind arrows that can actually start mini tornadoes. Ive played both of the series' and as you can see i do like dante, but in a fight agianst kratos its a murder.


Im not a fanboy I like Kratos better than Dante(sorta). Hell I like GOW better than DMC. I'm just debatebul so expect me to be an a-hole.

Can Kratos stab someone a million times? The lighting he dodge wasn't even that fast. He dodge lighting. So what that's not the fasting thing. Dante has Pandora(which can turn into 666 weapons). The wind if that powerful but NOT that powerful. Dante has Agility, Durability, Endurance(they might be the same idk). And Sparda's Sword is super long. I don't know how he could impale Dante or even slow him down. It can start Mininados. BUT they can also be avoided. And I never said Yamato was more powerful than The Blade. Kratos got crushed by Collosus hand and nearly died. Dante got punched by Beowulf and got punched in the face 20x by Nero and it didn't effect him once. The Wind of the Titan is weak. Royal Guard/DreadNaught Armor it could asorb the Tornados and The Mininados. The lighting ZEUS throwed wasn't all that fast as you claim. Just because he dodge lighting doesn't make him faster than Dante. Kratos is slow. And he has QuikSilver which he can stop time with his mind. And Bangle of Time(stops the entire world). Just because it's powerful in KRATO's WORLD doesn't mean it is in Dante's Universe. How can Kratos stop rockets? He can shoot him in the face with rockets that will explode in his face. I never said it lowered his fighting stance. You do know that Dante know's Martial Arts right? If he didn't trick Zeus what would have happened? Just like in DMC1 when Nelo Angelo(Vergil)was kicking his ass the Amulet Drove him away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oOoqPaQBmo


Most of what Kratos has wouldn't hurt him. If I hated Kratos I would say that The Blade couldn't kill him(not created by a Devil). Anyway Dante Regeneration Ability is so high it wouldn't bring him down in 1 hit. He defeated Argosax so he can only imagine how powerful he is. Yeah Kratos could bring Dante down. But Dante just has the upperhand upon Kratos. Don't get my wrong I like Kratos ALOT but I just think Dante could kill him what's all. Kratos could defeat ALOT of foes(Superman, The Hulk, Ryu, Nero, many many more probably).

Dante has defeated: Odin, Argosax, Sparda, Michael The Archange, Gabriel The Archangel, Atlas The Titan, Four Horsemen of The Apocalypse, Lakhesis, Atropos, Clotho, Typhon The Wind Titan, Mother Earth Gaia, and Lucifer(and many many more). If he defeated all of them he can defeat Kratos(and Zeus). He defeated these foes in: Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne(except Sparda & Argosax). Here's Dante vs Lucifer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZCuDmLnZ0A

It would be cool if Vergil & Krato's Brother teamed up(in the underworld). And Kratos & Dante has to take them out

Wil Deidara
Originally posted by k1Lla441
If you think in anyway that yamato is stronger than the BoO, then something here is seriously wrong.

He never said BoO is stronger. He said Yamato could cut through BoO, but highly doubts it.

k1Lla441
Originally posted by Gumachi
Im not a fanboy I like Kratos better than Dante(sorta). Hell I like GOW better than DMC. I'm just debatebul so expect me to be an a-hole.

Can Kratos stab someone a million times? The lighting he dodge wasn't even that fast. He dodge lighting. So what that's not the fasting thing. Dante has Pandora(which can turn into 666 weapons). The wind if that powerful but NOT that powerful. Dante has Agility, Durability, Endurance(they might be the same idk). And Sparda's Sword is super long. I don't know how he could impale Dante or even slow him down. It can start Mininados. BUT they can also be avoided. And I never said Yamato was more powerful than The Blade. Kratos got crushed by Collosus hand and nearly died. Dante got punched by Beowulf and got punched in the face 20x by Nero and it didn't effect him once. The Wind of the Titan is weak. Royal Guard/DreadNaught Armor it could asorb the Tornados and The Mininados. The lighting ZEUS throwed wasn't all that fast as you claim. Just because he dodge lighting doesn't make him faster than Dante. Kratos is slow. And he has QuikSilver which he can stop time with his mind. And Bangle of Time(stops the entire world). Just because it's powerful in KRATO's WORLD doesn't mean it is in Dante's Universe. How can Kratos stop rockets? He can shoot him in the face with rockets that will explode in his face. I never said it lowered his fighting stance. You do know that Dante know's Martial Arts right? If he didn't trick Zeus what would have happened? Just like in DMC1 when Nelo Angelo(Vergil)was kicking his ass the Amulet Drove him away.

Wasnt that fast? its lightning, as in if you blink it could hapen dozens of times and you would miss all of them. Just because pandora can turn in to 666 weapons doesnt make it strong. If its 666 crappy weapons, what is that supposed to do for dante? By your logic you should be able to get 1000 little kids and beat kratos, which would never happen.

Im not arguing against you that dante has agility, endurance, or stamina. But i AM arguing against you that kratos has a lot more of it. He got thrown through buildings miles away and got up from it like it was nothing, he got sent to hell, killed twice, and still managed to beat zues and the sisters of fate. O, and kratos only got near death is because he did not expect the hand hitting him at all, he was talking to the gods when it happened. And getting punched in the face 1000 times is now where near as strong as a giant colossus hand crushing you.

I never said he was faster than dante, i said he had better reflexes than him. Just like DJ said, the fastest guy in the world would never beat forest griffin in a fight, even if he can run a mile in 3 minutes. If your talking about time powers, kratos has the power to control time, indefintely. Kratos>>>>>>Dante in time controlling.

Why does everyone always assume the fights gonna be in one of eachothers worlds? Im assuming that its gonna be on an equal playing field, since the thread starter doesnt state where. And are you sure youve played gow? because if you did then you would know the one thing kratos can use to stop rockets: the golden fleece.

And its not "if he didnt trick zues" he did so live with it. just because he didnt go straight to brute force to beat zues doesnt make him less skilled. you seem to forget that knowledge is part of a fight too, so tricking zues , IMO, actually makes him a better fighter to me, because it proves me that if kratos needs to use his head, he can.

Originally posted by Gumachi
Most of what Kratos has wouldn't hurt him. If I hated Kratos I would say that The Blade couldn't kill him(not created by a Devil). Anyway Dante Regeneration Ability is so high it wouldn't bring him down in 1 hit. He defeated Argosax so he can only imagine how powerful he is. Yeah Kratos could bring Dante down. But Dante just has the upperhand upon Kratos. Don't get my wrong I like Kratos ALOT but I just think Dante could kill him what's all. Kratos could defeat ALOT of foes(Superman, The Hulk, Ryu, Nero, many many more probably).
Now im starting to really think you havent played gow, because pretty much any weapon kratos has would either fatally wound him or kill him. The only minor problem kratos would have, which isnt that big, would be making contact with those weapons(and magics). O, by the way kratos in no way could kill superman. I dare ya to tell DJ that big grin

Originally posted by Gumachi
Dante has defeated: Odin, Argosax, Sparda, Michael The Archange, Gabriel The Archangel, Atlas The Titan, Four Horsemen of The Apocalypse, Lakhesis, Atropos, Clotho, Typhon The Wind Titan, Mother Earth Gaia, and Lucifer(and many many more). If he defeated all of them he can defeat Kratos(and Zeus). He defeated these foes in: Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne(except Sparda & Argosax). Here's Dante vs Lucifer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZCuDmLnZ0A

It would be cool if Vergil & Krato's Brother teamed up(in the underworld). And Kratos & Dante has to take them out
You wanna do lists? Well here is all the enemies kratos has killed or beat: Hydra, medusa, many gorgons, a giant minotaur, Ares, many cyclops', many cerburus', a gaint collosus, the barbarian king (twice), theseus, A crazy blue cerberus, euryale, a kraken, the sisters of fate(who control time), and the almighty zues himself. And Remember, thats not even including chains of olympus or any of the little enemies he faces ( i shouldnt call them litte, since they are bigger than him).

Kratos takes this fight with ease.

Gumachi
Originally posted by k1Lla441
Wasnt that fast? its lightning, as in if you blink it could hapen dozens of times and you would miss all of them. Just because pandora can turn in to 666 weapons doesnt make it strong. If its 666 crappy weapons, what is that supposed to do for dante? By your logic you should be able to get 1000 little kids and beat kratos, which would never happen.

Im not arguing against you that dante has agility, endurance, or stamina. But i AM arguing against you that kratos has a lot more of it. He got thrown through buildings miles away and got up from it like it was nothing, he got sent to hell, killed twice, and still managed to beat zues and the sisters of fate. O, and kratos only got near death is because he did not expect the hand hitting him at all, he was talking to the gods when it happened. And getting punched in the face 1000 times is now where near as strong as a giant colossus hand crushing you.

I never said he was faster than dante, i said he had better reflexes than him. Just like DJ said, the fastest guy in the world would never beat forest griffin in a fight, even if he can run a mile in 3 minutes. If your talking about time powers, kratos has the power to control time, indefintely. Kratos>>>>>>Dante in time controlling.

Why does everyone always assume the fights gonna be in one of eachothers worlds? Im assuming that its gonna be on an equal playing field, since the thread starter doesnt state where. And are you sure youve played gow? because if you did then you would know the one thing kratos can use to stop rockets: the golden fleece.

And its not "if he didnt trick zues" he did so live with it. just because he didnt go straight to brute force to beat zues doesnt make him less skilled. you seem to forget that knowledge is part of a fight too, so tricking zues , IMO, actually makes him a better fighter to me, because it proves me that if kratos needs to use his head, he can.


Now im starting to really think you havent played gow, because pretty much any weapon kratos has would either fatally wound him or kill him. The only minor problem kratos would have, which isnt that big, would be making contact with those weapons(and magics). O, by the way kratos in no way could kill superman. I dare ya to tell DJ that big grin


You wanna do lists? Well here is all the enemies kratos has killed or beat: Hydra, medusa, many gorgons, a giant minotaur, Ares, many cyclops', many cerburus', a gaint collosus, the barbarian king (twice), theseus, A crazy blue cerberus, euryale, a kraken, the sisters of fate(who control time), and the almighty zues himself. And Remember, thats not even including chains of olympus or any of the little enemies he faces ( i shouldnt call them litte, since they are bigger than him).

Kratos takes this fight with ease.


Kratos still nearly died by Collosus hand wether he knew or not.

I never said it was strong. And besides it would kill Kratos. And besides Kratos is a mortal and a bullet would kill him(mortal's weapon). I'd like him to try to beat Zeus with his own power.

And there are "Gods" in DMC because Arkaham called Sparda a God. Sparda=God.

Dante didn't have to trick anyone in DMC.

He has magic to kill Superman probably idk and I really don't care.
Anyway it's funny how Zeus is all so powerful but he got put to sleep in Chains of Olympus. Dante>Controling time. He can stop it fully. Dante can stop time with his mind. Kratos has to be infront of a Fates Statue.

Dante has defeated: Mundus, Argosax, Arkaham--Sparda's Power, Nelo Angel, Sparda, The Savior, Odin, Vergil, Gaia, Michael The Archangel, Beowulf, Enchinda, Leviathan, Gaia, Atlas, Fallen Angels, Four Horsemen, The Fates, Nevan, Ice Cerberus(not the small kind Kratos kills) , Berial, Valkyries, Hell's Generals, Phantom, Nightmare, and many many more (and only the almighty can KILL Odin), and many more. Dante has slain more GODS than Kratos. Infact these are more powerful than Greek Gods. Dante KILLED Gods using his own power. Dante can reflect shots from Satan. Kratos can't even reflect shots from Zeus.


And as for The Golden Fleece it can be removed from Krato's Arm. And Yamato would cut thru The Fleece cutting thru Krato's Flesh and Bone cutting off his arm.

Dante is more powerful than his father.

Gumachi
Kratos can't stop Jackpot/Sparda's Cannon which kills bosses in 1 hit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1kgrJGqE24&feature=related (@ :38) If Dante health gets low he can transform into Sparda and turn invincible.

Gumachi
Also Dante has Demonic Aura(Telekenisis Powers). So 1 attack from The Blade is going back(or bounce off when Mundus shot Dante in the head). Also what proof u have he can shoot back rockets? He has only dodged projectiles he hasn't reflect anything like a rocket. Infact as soon as the rocket hits him it will explode

Wil Deidara
Originally posted by Gumachi
Kratos still nearly died by Collosus hand wether he knew or not.

Well, if he knew it was coming, he would at least tried to stop it from squishing him.

Gumachi
^True or just roll out of the way. Hell why didn't his army warn him?

k1Lla441
Originally posted by Gumachi
Kratos still nearly died by Collosus hand wether he knew or not. And your point is? i bet you if dante got hit by the collosus' hand and he wasnt payin attention, dante would have been completely killed. i can gaurantee that.

Originally posted by Gumachi
I never said it was strong. And besides it would kill Kratos. And besides Kratos is a mortal and a bullet would kill him(mortal's weapon). I'd like him to try to beat Zeus with his own power.

And there are "Gods" in DMC because Arkaham called Sparda a God. Sparda=God.

Dante didn't have to trick anyone in DMC.
1. you never said it, but you implied it. Kratos maybe mortal, but then again im pretty sure a normal "mortal" cant beat giant cyclops', medusas, cerberus' and things of the sort. Kratos is just about the closest mortal from turning into a superhuman, so im pretty sure he could take a bullet, and thats even if dante can hit him.

2. Im pretty sure those petty "gods" in dmc cant stand to the actual greek gods.

3. I dont want to have to keep explaining this, so follow carefully: just because he didnt trick anyone doesnt make him a better fighter. You act like using your brain lowers your rank as a fighter, it doesnt. What if dante had to fight someone better than him in physical skill? What can he turn to? nothing, because hes not that smart. Brains is apart of fighting as much as everything else, so kratos tricking his oppenent is a good thing. Wil, you can relate to this too. How did Deidara beat Gaara? He used his head. Sure, gaara is probably a stronger fighter, but the better figher was Deidara because he outsmarted his opponent.

Originally posted by Gumachi
He has magic to kill Superman probably idk and I really don't care.
Anyway it's funny how Zeus is all so powerful but he got put to sleep in Chains of Olympus. Dante>Controling time. He can stop it fully. Dante can stop time with his mind. Kratos has to be infront of a Fates Statue.
If you dont care about it then i would advise you not to say it, as some members of kmc get a lil heated sometimes.
Dantes time controlling powers are nothing compared to kratos'. and no, kratos does not have to be in front of a fates statue, as said by mother gaia herself at the end of gow 2. I thought you said you played the game?

Originally posted by Gumachi
Dante has defeated: Mundus, Argosax, Arkaham--Sparda's Power, Nelo Angel, Sparda, The Savior, Odin, Vergil, Gaia, Michael The Archangel, Beowulf, Enchinda, Leviathan, Gaia, Atlas, Fallen Angels, Four Horsemen, The Fates, Nevan, Ice Cerberus(not the small kind Kratos kills) , Berial, Valkyries, Hell's Generals, Phantom, Nightmare, and many many more (and only the almighty can KILL Odin), and many more. Dante has slain more GODS than Kratos. Infact these are more powerful than Greek Gods. Dante KILLED Gods using his own power. Dante can reflect shots from Satan. Kratos can't even reflect shots from Zeus. Yes, kratos can reflect shots from zues, as when he reflected his lightning. You dont need to name all those enemies, i played all the games except the first one. Yea, i know the ice cerberus he killed was pretty big, but nothing kratos cant handle. And if dante was put in any one of the horrible situations kratos was in, he would do the same. I know dante cant beat ares at his size, so im pretty sure he would use pandoras box too.


Originally posted by Gumachi
And as for The Golden Fleece it can be removed from Krato's Arm. And Yamato would cut thru The Fleece cutting thru Krato's Flesh and Bone cutting off his arm.

Dante is more powerful than his father.
How are you going to cut thru the fleece? its supposed to REFLECT attacks.

Gumachi
Originally posted by k1Lla441
And your point is? i bet you if dante got hit by the collosus' hand and he wasnt payin attention, dante would have been completely killed. i can gaurantee that.


1. you never said it, but you implied it. Kratos maybe mortal, but then again im pretty sure a normal "mortal" cant beat giant cyclops', medusas, cerberus' and things of the sort. Kratos is just about the closest mortal from turning into a superhuman, so im pretty sure he could take a bullet, and thats even if dante can hit him.

2. Im pretty sure those petty "gods" in dmc cant stand to the actual greek gods.

3. I dont want to have to keep explaining this, so follow carefully: just because he didnt trick anyone doesnt make him a better fighter. You act like using your brain lowers your rank as a fighter, it doesnt. What if dante had to fight someone better than him in physical skill? What can he turn to? nothing, because hes not that smart. Brains is apart of fighting as much as everything else, so kratos tricking his oppenent is a good thing. Wil, you can relate to this too. How did Deidara beat Gaara? He used his head. Sure, gaara is probably a stronger fighter, but the better figher was Deidara because he outsmarted his opponent.


If you dont care about it then i would advise you not to say it, as some members of kmc get a lil heated sometimes.
Dantes time controlling powers are nothing compared to kratos'. and no, kratos does not have to be in front of a fates statue, as said by mother gaia herself at the end of gow 2. I thought you said you played the game?

Yes, kratos can reflect shots from zues, as when he reflected his lightning. You dont need to name all those enemies, i played all the games except the first one. Yea, i know the ice cerberus he killed was pretty big, but nothing kratos cant handle. And if dante was put in any one of the horrible situations kratos was in, he would do the same. I know dante cant beat ares at his size, so im pretty sure he would use pandoras box too.



How are you going to cut thru the fleece? its supposed to REFLECT attacks.

1.Dante wouldn't have died possible. Regardless he was hurt from a Statue's Hand. Kratos is just a Mortal with Titan's Power backing him up. Regardless he's a Mortal--said by Gaia after he get's crushed by Collosus Hand. Even if it did hurt him he would regenerate. Your just making up bullshit now btw. Dante wouldn't have gotten killed? Please, he is more Durable(possible) than Kratos and it wouldn't kill Kratos but Dante? Yeah right. Just because he's the son of Zeus doesn't mean a bullet(with demon power) can't kill him. He's still a Mortal and Mortal's weapons can kill him. Aparently "Gods" in God of War arn't that big. Mundus was probably the size Ares(or slightly bigger--vice versa). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LghW79GQRwo

2.DMC Gods>Greek Gods. Hell The Greek Gods have Mortal's Bodies. And your telling me Lucifer wouldn't defeat Zeus? Your saying anything to defend Kratos. Zeus got his ass kicked by a Mortal. Gods in God of War can die easily by getting impaled. Hell Vergil got chopped in half and lived and took on Mundus. Odin>Zeus.

3.Okay so he would've let him shock him to death? Dante knows Martial Arts. We haven't seen Kratos fight without using his blades. Just because he was a Spartan doesn't make him a better fighter. Aparently Kratos is not that smart. He let Zeus escape from him. And if he was "that" smart. He would've got his powers back. And killed Zeus as the God of War.

That's a lie. Kratos just can't "stop" time. He has to be infront of a Fate's Statue. If not then why can he only stop it when he's infront of that Statue? He can only go back in time when he's inside the mirror. Kratos has to use a amulet. Dante can use his mind. I know what Gaia said but he can "SLOW DOWN" time while infront of The Fate's Statue.

4.Why couldn't he kill a God with a Mortal Body? Hell, he defeated people(like Gaia)more powerful than Ares. And Technially Dante is a God since he has power of Sparda. Just because they can transform size doesn't make them better. Size isn't anything to Dante. Just because there "Greek Gods" doesn't make them the most powerful Gods. Dante would probably kill Ares, Then Zeus, becomes God of Gods, kills the rest of the Gods.

That has nonething to do with anything. How can it reflect a sword's attack back to Dante?

Hell Dante dived off of Tem-ni-Gru(The Tower that Dante faught in DMC3)and didn't worry about getting injured.

Dante has Telekenisis Power(Demonic Aura).

k1Lla441
Originally posted by Gumachi
1.Dante wouldn't have died possible. Regardless he was hurt from a Statue's Hand. Kratos is just a Mortal with Titan's Power backing him up. Regardless he's a Mortal--said by Gaia after he get's crushed by Collosus Hand. Even if it did hurt him he would regenerate. Your just making up bullshit now btw. Dante wouldn't have gotten killed? Please, he is more Durable(possible) than Kratos and it wouldn't kill Kratos but Dante? Yeah right. Just because he's the son of Zeus doesn't mean a bullet(with demon power) can't kill him. He's still a Mortal and Mortal's weapons can kill him. Aparently "Gods" in God of War arn't that big. Mundus was probably the size Ares(or slightly bigger--vice versa).

2.DMC Gods>Greek Gods. Hell The Greek Gods have Mortal's Bodies. And your telling me Lucifer wouldn't defeat Zeus? Your saying anything to defend Kratos. Zeus got his ass kicked by a Mortal. Gods in God of War can die easily by getting impaled. Hell Vergil got chopped in half and lived and took on Mundus. Odin>Zeus.

3.Okay so he would've let him shock him to death? Dante knows Martial Arts. We haven't seen Kratos fight without using his blades. Just because he was a Spartan doesn't make him a better fighter. Aparently Kratos is not that smart. He let Zeus escape from him. And if he was "that" smart. He would've got his powers back. And killed Zeus as the God of War.

4.That's a lie. Kratos just can't "stop" time. He has to be infront of a Fate's Statue. If not then why can he only stop it when he's infront of that Statue? He can only go back in time when he's inside the mirror. Kratos has to use a amulet. Dante can use his mind. I know what Gaia said but he can "SLOW DOWN" time while infront of The Fate's Statue.

5.Why couldn't he kill a God with a Mortal Body? Hell, he defeated people(like Gaia)more powerful than Ares. And Technially Dante is a God since he has power of Sparda. Just because they can transform size doesn't make them better. Size isn't anything to Dante. Just because there "Greek Gods" doesn't make them the most powerful Gods. Dante would probably kill Ares, Then Zeus, becomes God of War, kills the rest of the Gods.

That has nonething to do with anything. How can it reflect a sword's attack back to Dante?

Hell Dante dived off of Tem-ni-Gru(The Tower that Dante faught in DMC3)and didn't worry about getting injured.

Dante has Telekenisis Power(Demonic Aura).
1. At the time kratos got hit by the hand he was mortal, so yea a "mortal", while not expecting it, got hit by a 50 tons collosus hand when he didnt expect it coming at all. that sounds pretty impressive to me, as if dante was in that situation he would have been completely splattered everywhere else. How can he regenerate from a splattered body? And no, dante is not even more durable than kratos. Kratos has no regenerating powers at all and can still take more than dante.

2. Greek gods are much stronger than dmc gods. Again, just because the greek gods have mortal bodies doesnt make them any less powerful. And thats exactly what im saying, lucifer cant defeat zeus. Im not saying anything to defend kratos, im saying what makes sense. You tend to automatically assume things. Just because kratos beat zeus doesnt mean zues is a crappy fighter. it just means that kratos is a good fighter. Where does it state that gods would die if they get impaled? And just because vergil can fight with half a body doesnt mean that dante can.

3. Since when does martial arts stop lightning? And yea, we havent seen kratos fight without his blades, so stop assuming that he doens know martial arts. maybe he does? but we wont know, because you said it, he always uses his blades.
Smarts helps you in a fight, i doesnt automatically give you powers back. And i never said kratos was so smart that he can do what ever he wants, im just saying he is smarter than dante, and that smarts is good to have in a fight.

4. Stated by mother gaia herself, right before he goes back in time: "remeber kratos, you control time itself". and no, he does not have to be in front of the fates statue, proved when he takes all the titans forward in time with him.

5. Kratos did pretty much beat a god, zues. the only reason he lived was because athena saved him. And as i recall kratos was a mortal during the fight, so theres the god he beat while he was mortal, just like you asked.
For starters, dante doesnt even come close to having the power of a god. Secondly, even if he did have the power of a god ( which he doenst) that doesnt make him a god. Kratos beat the king of all gods, but that still doesnt make him a god. By your rational kratos should be the king of all gods since he beat him.
I never said that them being greek makes them stronger, i said they are strong, they ARE greek, so they are strong greek gods.
You actually think dante at his current size can beat ares? are you joking?? all ares has to do is step on him. thats pretty sad, now i know your just a fanboy.

The fleece will absorb dantes sword attack, then use that same force in one of kratos' attack. Thats what will happen if kratos uses the fleece on a sword attack. Kratos does it all the time, which leads me to believe (for like the 5th time) that you havent even played gow like you said you did.

Wil Deidara
Originally posted by Gumachi
^True or just roll out of the way. Hell why didn't his army warn him?

2 possible reasons:

1. They probably didn't know.

2. They're duh duh duh's.

Gumachi
Originally posted by k1Lla441
1. At the time kratos got hit by the hand he was mortal, so yea a "mortal", while not expecting it, got hit by a 50 tons collosus hand when he didnt expect it coming at all. that sounds pretty impressive to me, as if dante was in that situation he would have been completely splattered everywhere else. How can he regenerate from a splattered body? And no, dante is not even more durable than kratos. Kratos has no regenerating powers at all and can still take more than dante.

2. Greek gods are much stronger than dmc gods. Again, just because the greek gods have mortal bodies doesnt make them any less powerful. And thats exactly what im saying, lucifer cant defeat zeus. Im not saying anything to defend kratos, im saying what makes sense. You tend to automatically assume things. Just because kratos beat zeus doesnt mean zues is a crappy fighter. it just means that kratos is a good fighter. Where does it state that gods would die if they get impaled? And just because vergil can fight with half a body doesnt mean that dante can.

3. Since when does martial arts stop lightning? And yea, we havent seen kratos fight without his blades, so stop assuming that he doens know martial arts. maybe he does? but we wont know, because you said it, he always uses his blades.
Smarts helps you in a fight, i doesnt automatically give you powers back. And i never said kratos was so smart that he can do what ever he wants, im just saying he is smarter than dante, and that smarts is good to have in a fight.

4. Stated by mother gaia herself, right before he goes back in time: "remeber kratos, you control time itself". and no, he does not have to be in front of the fates statue, proved when he takes all the titans forward in time with him.

5. Kratos did pretty much beat a god, zues. the only reason he lived was because athena saved him. And as i recall kratos was a mortal during the fight, so theres the god he beat while he was mortal, just like you asked.
For starters, dante doesnt even come close to having the power of a god. Secondly, even if he did have the power of a god ( which he doenst) that doesnt make him a god. Kratos beat the king of all gods, but that still doesnt make him a god. By your rational kratos should be the king of all gods since he beat him.
I never said that them being greek makes them stronger, i said they are strong, they ARE greek, so they are strong greek gods.
You actually think dante at his current size can beat ares? are you joking?? all ares has to do is step on him. thats pretty sad, now i know your just a fanboy.

The fleece will absorb dantes sword attack, then use that same force in one of kratos' attack. Thats what will happen if kratos uses the fleece on a sword attack. Kratos does it all the time, which leads me to believe (for like the 5th time) that you havent even played gow like you said you did.

1.He can't take more than Dante. He can't get impaled and live. And you claim he's the son of Zues he shouldn't get hurt. And please if your going to make up bullshit have proof mkay? He's a Half Demon. So it wouldn't have killed him. Unlike Kratos who nearly died. And Dante can regenerate so regardless it wouldn't have hurt.

2.I mean Lucifer the Fallen Angel did you even look at the video? Ares died getting impaled. Athena. Dante is stronger than Vergil(now)so if Vergil can Dante can. Zeus throws a few bolts who-raaaay. Vergil got cut in half lived and took on Mundus. Athena got impaled once and died. Zeus can take what 2 shots from The Blade and he's already hurt.

3.He doesn't fight without his blades. And since when was Martial Arts out in Greek Times?

4.I said SLOW DOWN TIME IDIOT. He has to slow down time infront of a Statue. Aparently you haven't played God of War II. Why can't I slow down time when I fight Zeus? And he still has to have the mirror.
http://godofwar.wikia.com/wiki/Amulet_of_the_Fates And NO I didn't edit anything. Infact replay the game. He only went back in time. He never slowed down time unless a Statue is infront of him.

Kratos finds the Amulet of the Fates in the Temple of Lahkesis. When used, it causes everything around him to greatly slow down, while he continues moving at normal speed. The amulet is needed in order to solve certain puzzles throughout the game and it can also be used for an edge while fighting enemies. The amulet however can only be activated when it is close enough to a Fates Statue.



5.Your a fanboy. Saying anything to protect Kratos. He has power of God because Sparda=God. You act as if they don't have "Zeus Bolts, Hades' Souls, Chrono's Rage, etc. He can't have power of Gods. Dante KILLED the Kings of Gods(Odin). Odin was The Norse Gods of Gods(Who was also God of War and other "Gods Of"wink If he can defeat Odin(which only the almighty can)he can defeat Zeus & Ares(w/o Pandora's Box). Ares wouldn't step on him to fast. The bigger you are the slower you are. Just because Kratos needs God's powers to defeat the Gods doesn't mean Dante will. Gods get their asskicked by Mortal? And well he is a God. Sparda=God. He has power of Sparda(and more powerful than Sparda)so he is a God. Just because he doesn't become a "God" when he kills Zeus doesn't mean it will be the same in DMC. And where's your proof he doesn't come close to being a God? He actually has more power than Sparda making him a God. And killed Argosax so the more Demon Kings he kill the more powerful he gets. Why do you think he can turn into Sparda? Just because it doesn't happen in GOW doesn't mean it will in DMC. DMC is not in GOW universe. And why didn't Ares just "step" on Kratos then? And why did he let Kratos open Pandora's Box. Instead of putting him on fire?

That's the most bullshit I ever heard. It can asorb The Blade's attacks. Trying to accuse me of not playing. And he can't block all attacks. All he does is block and slam his blades on the ground. Yamato can still cut thru The Fleece regardless. Royal Guard>Golden Fleece. The Fleece can be removed from Krato's arm.

And Dante is strong enough to block attacks from The Savior.

Aparently your the fanboy.

And like I said Kratos=Mortal. So Mortal Things can kill him.

And Dante has faught people far worse than Zeus and Ares. Your just a fanboy. I bet if it was me saying Kratos would win. And you saying Dante would win. You would be saying the same thing I am.

Gumachi
Yes, Dante can kill Gods from God of War, Castlevania (Death and Agnui, anyone?), Egyptian Mythology, Norse Mythology, and Devil May Cry (High-class Demons like Savior, Mundus, Abigail, and Argosax/Despair Embodied are regarded as being powerful as Gods, with some like Argosax/Despair Embodied and his family even being worshiped as Gods), I don't see him as killing a God from actual Greek Mythology (unlike God of War, it takes more some magical blade and/or magical power to kill one).

Wei Phoenix
Originally posted by Gumachi
Yes, Dante can kill Gods from God of War, Castlevania (Death and Agnui, anyone?), Egyptian Mythology, Norse Mythology, and Devil May Cry (High-class Demons like Savior, Mundus, Abigail, and Argosax/Despair Embodied are regarded as being powerful as Gods, with some like Argosax/Despair Embodied and his family even being worshiped as Gods), I don't see him as killing a God from actual Greek Mythology (unlike God of War, it takes more some magical blade and/or magical power to kill one).

No just no. First of all the BOO isn't just some magical blade and Pandora's box isn't just some magical power box

Gumachi
I copied and pastied.

And 1st of all it's a magical blade.

You have magic in God of War.

Pandora's box does have power to become a God. If it isn't a magical blade what is it?

And aparently he wouldn't just "step" on him. Hell the Gods were small as humans and brought down the Titans.

PB just made Kratos grow(and increased powers I think). And it gives you power to kill a God. Nonething more nonething less.

Gumachi
And Dante has faced people WAAAAY more powerful than Kratos. And people who can destroy the world.

And Krato's can't fly. Dante can. He could shock his ass to death with Alastor. Or Blast him with some fireball.

I doubt Dante can die.

Got Stabbed by Alastor(God Sword), Force Edge(It hurt Vergil but didn't hurt him--and he was getting shocked by Trish Dante was), Yamato, Rebellion, 6 Sickles at 1 time(in the heart)

Got stabbed in the heart in the anime

Got crucified(lived)

Got punched by Beowulf

Got shot in the head twice

In the stomach once.

And if this is DMC2 Dante then>GOWII Kratos.

Wei Phoenix
Originally posted by Gumachi

Got stabbed in the heart in the anime



FAIL!!!

Gumachi
How? You fail.

Burning thought
Originally posted by Gumachi
I copied and pastied.

And 1st of all it's a magical blade.

You have magic in God of War.

Pandora's box does have power to become a God. If it isn't a magical blade what is it?

And aparently he wouldn't just "step" on him. Hell the Gods were small as humans and brought down the Titans.

PB just made Kratos grow(and increased powers I think). And it gives you power to kill a God. Nonething more nonething less.

The Gods were their full size....

Made kratos a powerhouse is what PB did, beyond Dante for sure.

Wei Phoenix
Originally posted by Gumachi
How? You fail.

Anime feats are useless here in the Video Game section.

Gumachi
So? He still lived.

Gumachi
@Burning Thought it gave him Power of Gods and increased. And who said he will have Pandora's Box?

Wei Phoenix
Originally posted by Gumachi
So? He still lived.

You are using noncanon feats. him surviving that is as credible as my claim that Kratos wins because he already beat him twice in a fanfic I wrote.

Both never happened in hte game so they aren't usuable in his debate.

k1Lla441
Originally posted by Gumachi
1.He can't take more than Dante. He can't get impaled and live. And you claim he's the son of Zues he shouldn't get hurt. And please if your going to make up bullshit have proof mkay? He's a Half Demon. So it wouldn't have killed him. Unlike Kratos who nearly died. And Dante can regenerate so regardless it wouldn't have hurt.

Ok, lets get this straight, kratos got stabbed by 1. a gigantic wooden spear thrown by a god, and 2. the BoO. Your acting as if he got stabbed by a toothpick and died. Kratos is not a pushover, in anyway. By the way, what bullshit did i make up? Just because dante is a half demon doesnt mean the collosus hand wouldnt have killed him. Dante can regenerate, but if he gets splattered all over the place thats a whole different story.

Originally posted by Gumachi
2.I mean Lucifer the Fallen Angel did you even look at the video? Ares died getting impaled. Athena. Dante is stronger than Vergil(now)so if Vergil can Dante can. Zeus throws a few bolts who-raaaay. Vergil got cut in half lived and took on Mundus. Athena got impaled once and died. Zeus can take what 2 shots from The Blade and he's already hurt.
Half the stuff in this paragraph was either about zeus or vergil. Stick to the topic. And just because vergil can get cut in half doesnt mean that dante can be cut in half and fight. Athena got impaled by the BoO, not just any normal sword. Im pretty sure if she got stabbed by one of dmc's weak weapons she would have surely lived. Remember, the BoO sealed all the titans and ended the great titan war with 1 blow.

Originally posted by Gumachi
3.He doesn't fight without his blades. And since when was Martial Arts out in Greek Times?
May not have been martial arts, but you shouldnt question his hand to hand combat when you havent even seen him fight. You said it your self, he always uses his blades, so you cant judge his hand to hand combat.

Originally posted by Gumachi
4.I said SLOW DOWN TIME IDIOT. He has to slow down time infront of a Statue. Aparently you haven't played God of War II. Why can't I slow down time when I fight Zeus? And he still has to have the mirror.
http://godofwar.wikia.com/wiki/Amulet_of_the_Fates And NO I didn't edit anything. Infact replay the game. He only went back in time. He never slowed down time unless a Statue is infront of him.
Im pretty sure if mother gaia herself, said that kratos can control time, that he can slowdown time. Controlling time means to have control of it, as in you can slow it down, speed it up, stop it, go forwards or backwards through it. Just because he didnt want to slow down time doesnt mean he cant. All kratos wanted to do was bring the titans to his time, WHICH HE DID with his time controlling powers.

Originally posted by Gumachi
Kratos finds the Amulet of the Fates in the Temple of Lahkesis. When used, it causes everything around him to greatly slow down, while he continues moving at normal speed. The amulet is needed in order to solve certain puzzles throughout the game and it can also be used for an edge while fighting enemies. The amulet however can only be activated when it is close enough to a Fates Statue.

At the time he aquired the amulet of the fates, he didnt have complete control of the time controlling powers. At the end of the game is when he aquired it. Did you see him use the amulet when he took the titans to his time?No, because he didnt have to.


Originally posted by Gumachi
5.Your a fanboy. Saying anything to protect Kratos. He has power of God because Sparda=God. You act as if they don't have "Zeus Bolts, Hades' Souls, Chrono's Rage, etc. He can't have power of Gods. Dante KILLED the Kings of Gods(Odin). Odin was The Norse Gods of Gods(Who was also God of War and other "Gods Of"wink If he can defeat Odin(which only the almighty can)he can defeat Zeus & Ares(w/o Pandora's Box). Ares wouldn't step on him to fast. The bigger you are the slower you are. Just because Kratos needs God's powers to defeat the Gods doesn't mean Dante will. Gods get their asskicked by Mortal? And well he is a God. Sparda=God. He has power of Sparda(and more powerful than Sparda)so he is a God. Just because he doesn't become a "God" when he kills Zeus doesn't mean it will be the same in DMC. And where's your proof he doesn't come close to being a God? He actually has more power than Sparda making him a God. And killed Argosax so the more Demon Kings he kill the more powerful he gets. Why do you think he can turn into Sparda? Just because it doesn't happen in GOW doesn't mean it will in DMC. DMC is not in GOW universe. And why didn't Ares just "step" on Kratos then? And why did he let Kratos open Pandora's Box. Instead of putting him on fire?
Did you just tell me that dante, The almighty demon "god", can beat Zeus and Ares? are you JOKING?? There is no way possible for dante to beat kratos, let alone 2 gods that are thousands of times bigger than him. Pandoras box didnt turn him into a god, it just made him bigger. it didnt give him any extra abilities or anything, it just made him big. The one time ares did have a chance to stop kratos, he did by impaling him with a giant spear. The second time kratos got to it to fast be taking it from him.

Originally posted by Gumachi
That's the most bullshit I ever heard. It can asorb The Blade's attacks. Trying to accuse me of not playing. And he can't block all attacks. All he does is block and slam his blades on the ground. Yamato can still cut thru The Fleece regardless. Royal Guard>Golden Fleece. The Fleece can be removed from Krato's arm. Yea, it takes the blades attack, and counters with kratos slamming his blades on the floor, repeat. Its not that hard of a concept, if the golden fleece can come off as easy as you make it sound, how come none of the sword attacks kratos blocked during the game didnt cut through it?

Originally posted by Gumachi
And Dante is strong enough to block attacks from The Savior.

Aparently your the fanboy.

And like I said Kratos=Mortal. So Mortal Things can kill him.

How are you going to call me the fanboy? Both my avatar and my sig are of dante. Dmc is one of the coolest games ive ever played, and dante is one of the coolest guys made. Trust me, i would never, EVER want to see dante killed, but im just saying whats true. And please dont repeat the same thing back to me, about how much you love gow, because you dont.

Let me get this right: you say kratos is mortal. You say kratos can die by mortal things. But yet pretty much EVERYTHING he does is not mortal. He can defeat hundred feet tall hydras, gigantic minotaurs, stop atlas' hand from crushing him, kill cyclops', defeat the sisters of fate, and yet he is still a mortal? He maybe a mortal, but hes like the toughest mortal in the universe, and he is definitely the wierdest mortal. An average mortal will die froma bullet. An average mortal cant lift 50 tons. So what your trying to say is that kratos has the strenght of a super human, yet he dies as fast as a regular person?? thats joke.

Originally posted by Gumachi
And Dante has faught people far worse than Zeus and Ares. Your just a fanboy. I bet if it was me saying Kratos would win. And you saying Dante would win. You would be saying the same thing I am.
Like i said, im not the fanboy. How can i be one if i set my avatar to dante and my sig dante before i even knew this arguement was going to happen?? And no, i would never say what your saying now, as its just biased and irrelevant.

Gumachi
Originally posted by k1Lla441
Ok, lets get this straight, kratos got stabbed by 1. a gigantic wooden spear thrown by a god, and 2. the BoO. Your acting as if he got stabbed by a toothpick and died. Kratos is not a pushover, in anyway. By the way, what bullshit did i make up? Just because dante is a half demon doesnt mean the collosus hand wouldnt have killed him. Dante can regenerate, but if he gets splattered all over the place thats a whole different story.


Half the stuff in this paragraph was either about zeus or vergil. Stick to the topic. And just because vergil can get cut in half doesnt mean that dante can be cut in half and fight. Athena got impaled by the BoO, not just any normal sword. Im pretty sure if she got stabbed by one of dmc's weak weapons she would have surely lived. Remember, the BoO sealed all the titans and ended the great titan war with 1 blow.


May not have been martial arts, but you shouldnt question his hand to hand combat when you havent even seen him fight. You said it your self, he always uses his blades, so you cant judge his hand to hand combat.


Im pretty sure if mother gaia herself, said that kratos can control time, that he can slowdown time. Controlling time means to have control of it, as in you can slow it down, speed it up, stop it, go forwards or backwards through it. Just because he didnt want to slow down time doesnt mean he cant. All kratos wanted to do was bring the titans to his time, WHICH HE DID with his time controlling powers.



At the time he aquired the amulet of the fates, he didnt have complete control of the time controlling powers. At the end of the game is when he aquired it. Did you see him use the amulet when he took the titans to his time?No, because he didnt have to.



Did you just tell me that dante, The almighty demon "god", can beat Zeus and Ares? are you JOKING?? There is no way possible for dante to beat kratos, let alone 2 gods that are thousands of times bigger than him. Pandoras box didnt turn him into a god, it just made him bigger. it didnt give him any extra abilities or anything, it just made him big. The one time ares did have a chance to stop kratos, he did by impaling him with a giant spear. The second time kratos got to it to fast be taking it from him.

Yea, it takes the blades attack, and counters with kratos slamming his blades on the floor, repeat. Its not that hard of a concept, if the golden fleece can come off as easy as you make it sound, how come none of the sword attacks kratos blocked during the game didnt cut through it?



How are you going to call me the fanboy? Both my avatar and my sig are of dante. Dmc is one of the coolest games ive ever played, and dante is one of the coolest guys made. Trust me, i would never, EVER want to see dante killed, but im just saying whats true. And please dont repeat the same thing back to me, about how much you love gow, because you dont.

Let me get this right: you say kratos is mortal. You say kratos can die by mortal things. But yet pretty much EVERYTHING he does is not mortal. He can defeat hundred feet tall hydras, gigantic minotaurs, stop atlas' hand from crushing him, kill cyclops', defeat the sisters of fate, and yet he is still a mortal? He maybe a mortal, but hes like the toughest mortal in the universe, and he is definitely the wierdest mortal. An average mortal will die froma bullet. An average mortal cant lift 50 tons. So what your trying to say is that kratos has the strenght of a super human, yet he dies as fast as a regular person?? thats joke.


Like i said, im not the fanboy. How can i be one if i set my avatar to dante and my sig dante before i even knew this arguement was going to happen?? And no, i would never say what your saying now, as its just biased and irrelevant.

1.He got punched by Beowulf at full power and got up. Collosus drained his powers. "Mortal Things Can Hurt Kratos" Dante isn't a Mortal. Dante getting hit by Beowulf in DMC3. I'd say the force is pretty similar, Colossus being bigger, but not really trying to actually hit Kratos (being defeated at the time), whereas Beowulf was going full power (and actually, given the stone angel effect, Beowulf's strike probably had greater force). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrs_Giu6iAQ&feature=channel_page Dante's taken incinerating blasts of Holy energy, gunfire, hellfire, slashes, cuts, smashes, trampling and Devil magics (just to name a few injuries) and the only times he's even been hurt is when A) Mundus impales his chest several times with Nether Spikes in DMC1, B) when he's impaled through the heart by Rebellion in the DMC anime, and C) when Vergil stabs him through the heart with Rebellion in DMC3.

2.Actually Dante's swords are "divine". So they don't need a special look or anything.

3.I said we never saw him without his blades. I never said he couldn't beat him in hand-to-hand combat. I'm just saying we haven't saw him without using blades.

4.Put it like this let's wait until God of War III comes then? So if we can see if he can slow down time w/o the use of the Fate's Statue. BTW the Trailer kicked ASS. Anyway he still has to be infront of a Statue. And Krato's can slow time. But how can he beat Dante who can use The Bangle(Stops the whole world).

5.He went back in time. He didn't slow down time.

6.If he defeated Odin(Who was Also God of War/Gods of Gods) he can defeat Zeus/Ares. Besides he can seal them both in hell under their own power. Besides Dante KILLED Immortal Gods. I'm not saying Krato's couldn't(who knows he might kill The Titans). But what my point is that he(Dante)killed more powerful Gods than Greek Gods. Let's not start a Mundus vs Zeus(or try not to). Size doesn't matter. He defeated Savior and he was bigger than a God. Hell The Gods brought down the Titans. And they were human compared the the Titans. Besides Sparda Cannon can kill Gods in 1 attack. So they can't stop Sparda Cannon them both. Jackpot Seal owns the both. They can't stop them that(Trapped in Hell--not Hades under their own power).

7.Most of the swords were normal. And The Blade we don't know if it can cut thru anything.

8.He still is a Mortal stated by Gaia. Lifting up Hydras has nonething to do with the fact Mortal Things can hurt him. And I never said "1 bullet will kill Kratos" if that's what you think. I mean it's kinda take a heap load of bullets to bring him down.

Didn't I tell u expect me to be an a-hole? And that I can get debatebul? Just because I think Dante could kill Kratos does NOT make me a FANBOY.

And how can Krato's stop Dante's teleportation? And Fire can't hurt Dante BTW. And Yamato can cut thru Krato's arm =] Dante can summon 1000 Bats around Krato's(which is Nevan a magic barrier plus blood-sucking, limb-rending demonic ever-spawning bat). Hell The Mighty Titan Oranos(Uranus)was killed with a damn sickle.

The only way for him to kill Dante is to rip out his heart with a Devil Arm

Gumachi
Zeus isn't the most powerful even in his own universe. He's a large mortal who throws lightning bolts that are given to him by Hephaestus.

ragesRemorse
Dante is an emo gaybot...,Krato's rocks his world

First_Tsurugi06
Originally posted by Gumachi
Zeus isn't the most powerful even in his own universe. He's a large mortal who throws lightning bolts that are given to him by Hephaestus.

Now I know for a fact you quoted that from youtube (unless...). But the fact is that the only reson Zeus wouldn't be the most powerful in his own universe is because that satus goes to Kratos. That said, what you're saying is still a gross generalization of the myth, not the canon of the game, and IN the game, Zeus has his own feats that put him beyond the likes of a "large mortal". Aside from annihilating an entire army with a swing of his sword, banishing the Titans to the underwolrd with one world-scaping blast, and even Ares has feats that give no reason to assume Kratos as the God of War(who was >>> Ares), can't do the same, which involves being able to tear a man in half with a single gesture.

Kratos' powers over time are not limited to the amulet as of GoWII's end. We have yet to see how he'll put his powers to use, but as shown through the end of God of War II, he neither needs the loom chamber to travel through time, nor does it appear that the loom chamber would even be usable (having begun to collapse). If Zeus were comparable to only "a large mortal" he wouldn't've been shown to tank blows from a weapon that could kill a lesser God (and more likely than not, anything below) with one thrust.



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ragesRemorse
Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/Crow_Raveniwng/Comics/Facepalm.jpg

Holy shit!!!!!, THATS EXACTLY WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!!!!! eek!

Look, right up there, it's one of those gaybots and their water paints stick out tongue

Burning thought
Originally posted by Gumachi
@Burning Thought it gave him Power of Gods and increased. And who said he will have Pandora's Box?

Nobody, i was making a point, what possible reasons could you have for Dante even having the slightest chance in this battle?

Wil Deidara
Originally posted by Gumachi
The only way for him to kill Dante is to rip out his heart with a Devil Arm

Or if Kratos jumps on top of Dante, rips his head, arms, and legs off, and feeds the body parts to the hydra, that's another way.

Gumachi
He wouldn't just "rip" anyone head off. Why didn't he do it to Perseus/Thesus then?

And what makes you think his limbs can be ripped? Kratos is slow to Dante and Dante would have to literally sit up there. And how do we know that his limbs can be ripped?(He isn't a mortal).


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Originally posted by Gumachi
Zeus isn't the most powerful even in his own universe. He's a large mortal who throws lightning bolts that are given to him by Hephaestus.


Now I know for a fact you quoted that from youtube (unless...). But the fact is that the only reson Zeus wouldn't be the most powerful in his own universe is because that satus goes to Kratos. That said, what you're saying is still a gross generalization of the myth, not the canon of the game, and IN the game, Zeus has his own feats that put him beyond the likes of a "large mortal". Aside from annihilating an entire army with a swing of his sword, banishing the Titans to the underwolrd with one world-scaping blast, and even Ares has feats that give no reason to assume Kratos as the God of War(who was >>> Ares), can't do the same, which involves being able to tear a man in half with a single gesture.

Kratos' powers over time are not limited to the amulet as of GoWII's end. We have yet to see how he'll put his powers to use, but as shown through the end of God of War II, he neither needs the loom chamber to travel through time, nor does it appear that the loom chamber would even be usable (having begun to collapse). If Zeus were comparable to only "a large mortal" he wouldn't've been shown to tank blows from a weapon that could kill a lesser God (and more likely than not, anything below one thrust)

Banning the Titans has nonething to do with that(and he had help vs the Titan)Besides The Blade did it not Zeus. Anyone can rip someone in half if the carcase is rotting.

Dante>Kratos. Kratos isn't any different than what Dante has faught(if he faced Gods what makes Kratos--a Mortal any different?). And why didn't Ares just step on Kratos? He wouldn't step on anything(too slow). And hell he can easily seal Kratos in Hell under HIS own power.

Kratos can't stop Jackpot Seal or Sparda Cannon. Desperation DT releases Fireballs or summons a fire dragon.

Gumachi
Or Zeus might've did it. I doubt Kratos can though.

Burning thought
He didnt because he killed them in other humiliating ways, maybe hell just slam Dantes head multiple times through a stone door or better yet impale Dante on a chain and leave him swinging.

Dante is easy to destroy for Kratos, Dantes endurance is nothing and so is his magic resistence. The only thing Dante has against Kratos is speed...thats it, but what good is a fast fly compared to a tank? nothing.....

Gumachi
He wouldn't slam shit. He wouldn't catch up with Dante. Dante can teleport. Oh like Dante couldn't do the same? All he has is speed? Agility, Endurance, Durability. And we don't know how strong Dante could be. Or Dante could just use Jackpot on Kratos. And besides impaling him with a chain wouldn't do anything(and he's gonna have to ware Dante down or Dante is just gonna have to sit up there). And he has to do all of that?(which still wouldn't kill him).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3R6iBvNStA

Burning thought
We do know how strong Dante could be, we simply take his highest strength feat from the games and thats his strength.

All he has is speed/agility, thats it...Dante couldnt survive a single hit from Kratos, the guy would splatter Dante. Impaling him with a chain? whats the point in that? a few slide slashes and final tier combos would shred Dante like a mouldy orange in a blender.

Ive seen that scene many times, both on here and when playing the game myself, its nothing special, hes infact incapaicated for a while and takes another while getting off of it, its certainly not easy for him, in only a quarter of the time Dante is trying to slide off being impaled Kratos could have already turned him to stone with a Gorgon eye flash.

Dante would never Jackpot kratos....since Kratos' plane of existence has always been Earth and hes crawled out of the underworld before, not that dante woudl even get teh Jackpot off, its slow as hell....Kratos although lumbering is not that slow...especially not when hes got the Sisters of fate time powers.

Wil Deidara
Originally posted by Gumachi
He wouldn't just "rip" anyone head off. Why didn't he do it to Perseus/Thesus then?

You do realize you are talking about a gameplay feat, where he didn't rip there heads off.

Gumachi
Originally posted by Burning thought
We do know how strong Dante could be, we simply take his highest strength feat from the games and thats his strength.

All he has is speed/agility, thats it...Dante couldnt survive a single hit from Kratos, the guy would splatter Dante. Impaling him with a chain? whats the point in that? a few slide slashes and final tier combos would shred Dante like a mouldy orange in a blender.

Ive seen that scene many times, both on here and when playing the game myself, its nothing special, hes infact incapaicated for a while and takes another while getting off of it, its certainly not easy for him, in only a quarter of the time Dante is trying to slide off being impaled Kratos could have already turned him to stone with a Gorgon eye flash.

Dante would never Jackpot kratos....since Kratos' plane of existence has always been Earth and hes crawled out of the underworld before, not that dante woudl even get teh Jackpot off, its slow as hell....Kratos although lumbering is not that slow...especially not when hes got the Sisters of fate time powers.



He wouldn't survive a hit? The most BS I heard. And I thought I was a fanboy. Kratos is too slow to hit him. The Dante would just laugh at the blades. Kratos doesn't has to much to hurt Dante. Besides Alastor/Gilgamesh/Yamato so what would any other weapons do? And wheres your proof he wouldn't survive? And besides if Mortals can take The Blade or BOA Dante can. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJafPKap0VM

Just because Dante doesn't do what Krato's does, doesn't mean he isn't strong. It's not up to your to decide how strong he is but Capcom.

A few cuts from Gilgamesh Krato's dead.

How do we know he could be stoned? Royal Guard can turn it on Kratos. And why didn't he used it on bosses then if it's so powerful?

Kratos is slow as hell. And Krato's wouldn't know what Jackpot would do. Not Hades--Hell. And how can he get out of something under his own power? Jackpot is big and there is no escape. And he can't escape nor Sparda's Cannon. Kratos would never impale Dante.

Dante has Agility/Endurance/Speed/Durability. He has more than Dante. Because Kratos got hit with Collosus hand and nearly died.

Like I said if defeating Gods(more powerful than Greek Gods)what makes a Mortal any different?

Besides Dante's regenerating ability so super as soon as he's hit his wounds are healed.

Hell from what we saw Dante can't die.

@Wil Yes I know.

ragesRemorse
Why are you people calling Zeus a Mortal?

This fight depends on what God or Gods are backing Kratos. Different gods means Kratos has different abilities. Kratos alone has no special powers or charms without the aid of the Gods. I suppose, since Athena died. No one can remove his blades of athena but otherwise Kratos is just a vehicle of the Gods' will.If he had one of their blessings, he would fvck Dante's shit up. No one can kill a God except a God. Kratos has only ever killed a god because he had the powers of another God.

Gumachi
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Why are you people calling Zeus a Mortal?

This fight depends on what God or Gods are backing Kratos. Different gods means Kratos has different abilities. Kratos alone has no special powers or charms without the aid of the Gods. I suppose, since Athena died. No one can remove his blades of athena but otherwise Kratos is just a vehicle of the Gods' will.If he had one of their blessings, he would fvck Dante's shit up. No one can kill a God except a God. Kratos has only ever killed a god because he had the powers of another God.

Now that I think The Blades of Athena would hurt Dante since they were forged in the Underworld(Hades).

IDK.

It doesn't matter. Hades' Souls could hurt Dante though

It doesn't matter if he had a blessing or not. They don't create Devil Arms(they arn't Demons). Unless the weapons are forged in the Underworld or something.

And well Ares removed the Blades but he gave them to him soooo, They can only be removed by the person that gave him The Blades.(or otherwise Zeus would have took them from him).

Dante killed Gods. And Artemis slayed a Titan with The Artemis Blade. And Uranus was killed with a Sickle. And "Immortal" means they can't die from age. They still can be slain. Like I said THE BLADE COULD KILL DANTE. So he has to bring DANTE DOWN HARD for him to slay Dante. Same goes for Dante. He would defeat Kratos BUT it won't be hard. He's gonna have a hell of a time slaying him. (Because eventually he will outsmart him.)

Gumachi
The Blades WOULD PROBABLY hurt Dante(I doubt it though).

Gumachi
Yeah The Blades probably would hurt him. Because they did make those Steeds Horses move. Brung down the strongest of enemies. Blinded The Collosus/Removed a Hand from Collosus. Made Zeus shed blood.

k1Lla441
Originally posted by Gumachi
1.He got punched by Beowulf at full power and got up. Collosus drained his powers. "Mortal Things Can Hurt Kratos" Dante isn't a Mortal. Dante getting hit by Beowulf in DMC3. I'd say the force is pretty similar, Colossus being bigger, but not really trying to actually hit Kratos (being defeated at the time), whereas Beowulf was going full power (and actually, given the stone angel effect, Beowulf's strike probably had greater force). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrs_Giu6iAQ&feature=channel_page Dante's taken incinerating blasts of Holy energy, gunfire, hellfire, slashes, cuts, smashes, trampling and Devil magics (just to name a few injuries) and the only times he's even been hurt is when A) Mundus impales his chest several times with Nether Spikes in DMC1, B) when he's impaled through the heart by Rebellion in the DMC anime, and C) when Vergil stabs him through the heart with Rebellion in DMC3.

2.Actually Dante's swords are "divine". So they don't need a special look or anything.

3.I said we never saw him without his blades. I never said he couldn't beat him in hand-to-hand combat. I'm just saying we haven't saw him without using blades.

4.Put it like this let's wait until God of War III comes then? So if we can see if he can slow down time w/o the use of the Fate's Statue. BTW the Trailer kicked ASS. Anyway he still has to be infront of a Statue. And Krato's can slow time. But how can he beat Dante who can use The Bangle(Stops the whole world).

5.He went back in time. He didn't slow down time.

6.If he defeated Odin(Who was Also God of War/Gods of Gods) he can defeat Zeus/Ares. Besides he can seal them both in hell under their own power. Besides Dante KILLED Immortal Gods. I'm not saying Krato's couldn't(who knows he might kill The Titans). But what my point is that he(Dante)killed more powerful Gods than Greek Gods. Let's not start a Mundus vs Zeus(or try not to). Size doesn't matter. He defeated Savior and he was bigger than a God. Hell The Gods brought down the Titans. And they were human compared the the Titans. Besides Sparda Cannon can kill Gods in 1 attack. So they can't stop Sparda Cannon them both. Jackpot Seal owns the both. They can't stop them that(Trapped in Hell--not Hades under their own power).

7.Most of the swords were normal. And The Blade we don't know if it can cut thru anything.

8.He still is a Mortal stated by Gaia. Lifting up Hydras has nonething to do with the fact Mortal Things can hurt him. And I never said "1 bullet will kill Kratos" if that's what you think. I mean it's kinda take a heap load of bullets to bring him down.

Didn't I tell u expect me to be an a-hole? And that I can get debatebul? Just because I think Dante could kill Kratos does NOT make me a FANBOY.

And how can Krato's stop Dante's teleportation? And Fire can't hurt Dante BTW. And Yamato can cut thru Krato's arm =] Dante can summon 1000 Bats around Krato's(which is Nevan a magic barrier plus blood-sucking, limb-rending demonic ever-spawning bat). Hell The Mighty Titan Oranos(Uranus)was killed with a damn sickle.

The only way for him to kill Dante is to rip out his heart with a Devil Arm
1. Where you talking about kratos when you said the collosus drained his powers? if you were, then i officially KNOW you didnt play the game. it was the BoO that took his powers, not the collosus. About the beowulf punch, you have to be joking when you think that puny little punch was stonger than the collosus hit. It doesnt matter if the collosus wasnt using his full strength. The weight of his hand alone + the force of the hand falling down was MUCH more than needed to be stronger than the beowulf punch. We should have a poll on which hit was harder, because i can gaurantee that the collosus' hit completly dominates that beowulf punch. And on top of all that, kratos wasnt paying attention at all, and he STILL didnt die. O, yea the anime doesnt count.

2. They maybe "divine" but the BoO is much, much more powerful than those swords. If Athena had gotten stabbed by yamato or anyone of dmc's swords i would gaurantee it would have been a whole different story. The BoO >>>>>>> Any Weapon In dmc

3. No, a while back in the argument you implied (which means you didnt directly say it) that dante could beat kratos in hand to hand because kratos cant fight hand to hand, which you wouldnt know because kratos always uses his blades.

4. We cant wait for gow 3 because there not just gonna let you warp through time, there not going to make it a gameplay mechanic. What your doing is avoiding the point. Mother gaia said it herself, he showed you that he can do it, so what more proof do you need? Thats the end of this part of the arguement, as you cannot see the proof that i have put directly in front of your face. ( the trailer was pretty sic )

5. Like i said before, just because he didnt need to slow down time doesnt mean he cant slow down time. All kratos wanted to do at the moment was take the titans back to his time with him, which he wanted to do, which he did. If somehow kratos got put in a situation where he needed to slow down time, he would have. But in the current situation he was in, he didnt have to do that.

6. Odin and zues/ares are completely different gods. Just because dante defeated odin, doesnt necassarily mean that he can defeat greek gods, which IMO are much stronger than the so called dmc "gods". Size doesnt matter in some cases. Like you said, the gods have enough power and magic that size doesnt matter. But they also had the power to turn big too. But dante has nothing in his arsenal to defeat the titans at his current size, and in this case size does matter. How are they supposed to be trapped in hell when hades controls it?

7. again, your avoiding the point. The golden fleece can not come off as easy as you say it can. He got thrown around alot during the game and it never budged. He has blocked many sword attacks, sister of fate attacks, and LIGHTNING and it still hasnt come off, not to mention the BoO attacks. So what makes you think that dantes sword is going to do any better?

8. Technically he is a mortal, but again, for the trillionth time, your avoiding the point. You say kratos can die by mortal things, yet his offensive abilites seem to be immortal. I know you didnt say this, but here is an example of what your sorta implying: Kratos' offensive abilites are off the charts, he has superhuman strength. But yeat he dies by normal mortal things? that makes no sense whatsoever. Its gonna take so many bullets to bring kratos down, by that time dante would already be dead.

Let me tell you my thoughts on both of them:

Brutality: kratos, by a mile.

Strength: again, kratos.

Speed: Dante, by a mile in movement.

Endurance: Kratos can take mountains more than dante, but with his regeneration i would have to call this a tie.

Weapons: Kratos, solely on the fact that he has 2 Weapons forged by the gods, and the other weapons (like the barbarians hammer, blade of artemis) are just crazy power houses. Dante does have some good weapons though.

Magic: Kratos, as in dante doesnt have many magic attacks. This category would surely close the fight, he has to many advanced and good magic for dante to win.

It would be a cool fight, but its obvious who will win. All dante can do is run from him, but kratos does have lighting bolts and wind tornadoes to track him down. And by the time that dante realizes that he has to move in for the kill, kratos' reaction speed is too good, and kratos would either: stab dante, rip his heart out for the sure kill, or use some other thing in his arsenal.

Burning thought
Originally posted by Gumachi
He wouldn't survive a hit? The most BS I heard. And I thought I was a fanboy. Kratos is too slow to hit him. The Dante would just laugh at the blades. Kratos doesn't has to much to hurt Dante. Besides Alastor/Gilgamesh/Yamato so what would any other weapons do? And wheres your proof he wouldn't survive? And besides if Mortals can take The Blade or BOA Dante can. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJafPKap0VM

Just because Dante doesn't do what Krato's does, doesn't mean he isn't strong. It's not up to your to decide how strong he is but Capcom.

A few cuts from Gilgamesh Krato's dead.

How do we know he could be stoned? Royal Guard can turn it on Kratos. And why didn't he used it on bosses then if it's so powerful?

Kratos is slow as hell. And Krato's wouldn't know what Jackpot would do. Not Hades--Hell. And how can he get out of something under his own power? Jackpot is big and there is no escape. And he can't escape nor Sparda's Cannon. Kratos would never impale Dante.

Dante has Agility/Endurance/Speed/Durability. He has more than Dante. Because Kratos got hit with Collosus hand and nearly died.

Like I said if defeating Gods(more powerful than Greek Gods)what makes a Mortal any different?

Besides Dante's regenerating ability so super as soon as he's hit his wounds are healed.

Hell from what we saw Dante can't die.

@Wil Yes I know.

Its not my place to find proof for you character, you need to prove that your character can survive, the blades of chaos/athena and most of Kratos; weapons would impact far harder than a sword and with kratos wielding them, his strength makes dante look a toddler.

Look, find the biggest Dante strength feat, otherwise your wasting the time of the debators here if your not even going to try and find any proof, your BS of "he hasnt shown his strength yet" means nothing, either find Dantes highest strength feat OR, submit that Kratos would completly obliterate him strengthwise, either way thats how you take into account strength in VS debates, you take the highest strength feat of a standard, and that is Dantes strength

A few cuts? not really, what proof have you got for this? one slash of BoC or Blade of Olympus (or one beam from the blade of Olmypus) and Dante gets splattered.....thing is from my statement, theres proof that even mortal Kratos (demigod rather) at his weakest has incredible endurance....like being crushed by the Colossus of rhodes and surviving....dante would have been crawling and whining helpless underneath....he cant lift it.

Because its gameplay genius, we dont use gameplay in VS debates since its not canon to the character, if you need to ask questions liek that learn to debate first, Royal guard? its basically a sword block, so he can royal guard all he likes...kratos turns his sword AND him to stone in that case....

lol slow as hell, youve obviously not played the games, although its true his foot speed is far lower than Dantes his combos are far more far reaching and vicious, a whirlwind of the blades of chaos would shred dante. And wouldnt know what Jackpot does? you reckon Kratos is the kind of guy whos just going to stand there and let Dante get off an attack so slow? lol....if you wanna bring character emotiosn into this Dante would prob be all cocky, walk up to kratos who would then stuff his fist through his face and Dante would fall lifeless...and headless to the ground.


Dante has endurance and durability? on what grounds? one sword through the chest and hes down for a good 5 mins..hes pathetic, he cant take a hit at all, his regeneration wil be useless, hes never regenerated a limb and Kratos could pull the guy apart with him bare hands..let alone without BoO and BoC.

From what weve seen Dante cant die? lmao....he is pathetic, being impaled fcks him up, he was incapaciated for a long time after the several times Vergil or otherwise has impaled him, Kratos doesnt even have to do that, call upon Hades army to rip Dante apart from his soul or simply use Gorgon stare and stone the guy...Dante has nothing but speed, and that advantage is lessoned by the fact all of Kratos' abilities work on a massive AOE, for example Gorgon stare can be done in an area, Atlas quake, Kronos rage etc etc.

Gumachi
Originally posted by k1Lla441
1. Where you talking about kratos when you said the collosus drained his powers? if you were, then i officially KNOW you didnt play the game. it was the BoO that took his powers, not the collosus. About the beowulf punch, you have to be joking when you think that puny little punch was stonger than the collosus hit. It doesnt matter if the collosus wasnt using his full strength. The weight of his hand alone + the force of the hand falling down was MUCH more than needed to be stronger than the beowulf punch. We should have a poll on which hit was harder, because i can gaurantee that the collosus' hit completly dominates that beowulf punch. And on top of all that, kratos wasnt paying attention at all, and he STILL didnt die. O, yea the anime doesnt count.

2. They maybe "divine" but the BoO is much, much more powerful than those swords. If Athena had gotten stabbed by yamato or anyone of dmc's swords i would gaurantee it would have been a whole different story. The BoO >>>>>>> Any Weapon In dmc

3. No, a while back in the argument you implied (which means you didnt directly say it) that dante could beat kratos in hand to hand because kratos cant fight hand to hand, which you wouldnt know because kratos always uses his blades.

4. We cant wait for gow 3 because there not just gonna let you warp through time, there not going to make it a gameplay mechanic. What your doing is avoiding the point. Mother gaia said it herself, he showed you that he can do it, so what more proof do you need? Thats the end of this part of the arguement, as you cannot see the proof that i have put directly in front of your face. ( the trailer was pretty sic )

5. Like i said before, just because he didnt need to slow down time doesnt mean he cant slow down time. All kratos wanted to do at the moment was take the titans back to his time with him, which he wanted to do, which he did. If somehow kratos got put in a situation where he needed to slow down time, he would have. But in the current situation he was in, he didnt have to do that.

6. Odin and zues/ares are completely different gods. Just because dante defeated odin, doesnt necassarily mean that he can defeat greek gods, which IMO are much stronger than the so called dmc "gods". Size doesnt matter in some cases. Like you said, the gods have enough power and magic that size doesnt matter. But they also had the power to turn big too. But dante has nothing in his arsenal to defeat the titans at his current size, and in this case size does matter. How are they supposed to be trapped in hell when hades controls it?

7. again, your avoiding the point. The golden fleece can not come off as easy as you say it can. He got thrown around alot during the game and it never budged. He has blocked many sword attacks, sister of fate attacks, and LIGHTNING and it still hasnt come off, not to mention the BoO attacks. So what makes you think that dantes sword is going to do any better?

8. Technically he is a mortal, but again, for the trillionth time, your avoiding the point. You say kratos can die by mortal things, yet his offensive abilites seem to be immortal. I know you didnt say this, but here is an example of what your sorta implying: Kratos' offensive abilites are off the charts, he has superhuman strength. But yeat he dies by normal mortal things? that makes no sense whatsoever. Its gonna take so many bullets to bring kratos down, by that time dante would already be dead.

Let me tell you my thoughts on both of them:

Brutality: kratos, by a mile.

Strength: again, kratos.

Speed: Dante, by a mile in movement.

Endurance: Kratos can take mountains more than dante, but with his regeneration i would have to call this a tie.

Weapons: Kratos, solely on the fact that he has 2 Weapons forged by the gods, and the other weapons (like the barbarians hammer, blade of artemis) are just crazy power houses. Dante does have some good weapons though.

Magic: Kratos, as in dante doesnt have many magic attacks. This category would surely close the fight, he has to many advanced and good magic for dante to win.

It would be a cool fight, but its obvious who will win. All dante can do is run from him, but kratos does have lighting bolts and wind tornadoes to track him down. And by the time that dante realizes that he has to move in for the kill, kratos' reaction speed is too good, and kratos would either: stab dante, rip his heart out for the sure kill, or use some other thing in his arsenal.

1.The Collosus had no God of War power in it and was just a regular statue. It wouldn't have killed Dante.

2.Alastor is Divine and Ifrit. Doesn't mean it will kill Dante in 1 hit though.

3.I'd like to see him in hand to hand.

4.He has to be in the mirror. Otherwise why didn't he just go back in time and go to the point where Zeus betrayed him(w/o going inside the mirror)

5.He still needs a Statue. Unlike Dante who can stop it with his mind.

6.Hell not Hades. Hades is easy to escape. How can you escape your own power?

7.It can block projectiles. The Royal Guard can block ANY ATTACK. The Fleece can't block attacks from The Blade. Besides I doubt The Blade can cut thru anything.

8.If he get's impaled he's already dead Alastor(Thunder Devil/God).

Brutality: Kratos

Endurance: Tie

Durability: Dante

Weapons: Dante. The Hammer is slow and the souls are kind of weak.

Magic: Kratos. Actually Dante can summon a few magic with Agni & Rudra and with Beowulf and Nevan and Ifrit and Alastor(Maybe more)

Gumachi
Originally posted by Burning thought
Its not my place to find proof for you character, you need to prove that your character can survive, the blades of chaos/athena and most of Kratos; weapons would impact far harder than a sword and with kratos wielding them, his strength makes dante look a toddler.

Look, find the biggest Dante strength feat, otherwise your wasting the time of the debators here if your not even going to try and find any proof, your BS of "he hasnt shown his strength yet" means nothing, either find Dantes highest strength feat OR, submit that Kratos would completly obliterate him strengthwise, either way thats how you take into account strength in VS debates, you take the highest strength feat of a standard, and that is Dantes strength

A few cuts? not really, what proof have you got for this? one slash of BoC or Blade of Olympus (or one beam from the blade of Olmypus) and Dante gets splattered.....thing is from my statement, theres proof that even mortal Kratos (demigod rather) at his weakest has incredible endurance....like being crushed by the Colossus of rhodes and surviving....dante would have been crawling and whining helpless underneath....he cant lift it.

Because its gameplay genius, we dont use gameplay in VS debates since its not canon to the character, if you need to ask questions liek that learn to debate first, Royal guard? its basically a sword block, so he can royal guard all he likes...kratos turns his sword AND him to stone in that case....

lol slow as hell, youve obviously not played the games, although its true his foot speed is far lower than Dantes his combos are far more far reaching and vicious, a whirlwind of the blades of chaos would shred dante. And wouldnt know what Jackpot does? you reckon Kratos is the kind of guy whos just going to stand there and let Dante get off an attack so slow? lol....if you wanna bring character emotiosn into this Dante would prob be all cocky, walk up to kratos who would then stuff his fist through his face and Dante would fall lifeless...and headless to the ground.


Dante has endurance and durability? on what grounds? one sword through the chest and hes down for a good 5 mins..hes pathetic, he cant take a hit at all, his regeneration wil be useless, hes never regenerated a limb and Kratos could pull the guy apart with him bare hands..let alone without BoO and BoC.

From what weve seen Dante cant die? lmao....he is pathetic, being impaled fcks him up, he was incapaciated for a long time after the several times Vergil or otherwise has impaled him, Kratos doesnt even have to do that, call upon Hades army to rip Dante apart from his soul or simply use Gorgon stare and stone the guy...Dante has nothing but speed, and that advantage is lessoned by the fact all of Kratos' abilities work on a massive AOE, for example Gorgon stare can be done in an area, Atlas quake, Kronos rage etc etc.

1.Maybe he would. But if he can surive Yamato(Sparda's Sword)he can surive The Blades.

2.Dante doesn't have to do what Kratos does to show how strong he is. It's not about knocking down Minotaurs or ripping Gorgon's heads off. But Combos(gameplay here). So just because he doesn't do what Kratos does doesn't mean he isn't strong.

3.Please Krato's was weak. Crying? No Dante doesn't beg unlike Kratos who had to call upon Ares when the Barbarian King was about to splatter his ass.

4.Royal Guard can block any attacks. The Fleece can't it can block projectiles and normal swords attacks. I'd like to see The Fleece take bullets considering the fact that The Bullets can match up to the Fleece. Have you even played DMC3? You can BLOCK ANYTHING. And the RG can asorb attacks and use it against Kratos. So Eurayle's Rage wouldn't do anything but turn him into stone and Beowulf would break him in pieces.

5.And you don't think Dante can? He only can swing them for about what? 5 secs and he stops. Dante can easily stop time. He can get hit by Zeus' Bolts. He wouldn't shred anything. He isn't a Mortal unlike Kratos. And Kratos is slow. That's The Blades that's moving fast not Kratos. Aparently Kratos is the one who can't take hits.

6.He will get right back up. Unlike Krato's who would get killed. He got hit by Collosus hand and nearly died. And was getting crushed by Kraken's Tentacle. Until Gaia appeared as his wife and helped him(Upgrade to Rage of Titans). Krato's can take a hit aparently. He was weakened and got his ass owned and had to get help from Gaia. He only ripped a Rotting Carcase anyone can do that.

7.He would've been dead. And he was about to fight Vergil again. Unlike Kratos who has to get help from the Ares when the BK was about to slay him. Dante has Speed, Agility, Endurance, and Durability. Atlas Quake? Dante can jump up in the air. Cronos Rage? I bout it would hurt him.Eurayle's Rage? DT and fly in the air. And Shock him. Pandora, Gilgamesh, Beowulf, Yamato. Aparently you don't like Dante. But since you wanna get gritty(I like Kratos but since you wanna play nasty). And Kratos has to get help from The Gods/Titans(to slay Ares/Zeus). Without there powers he would be dead(and there help to escape Hades). It doesn't matter. As soon as Dante is struck he's healed. And since you wanna get serious. The Blades probably wouldn't hurt Dante. He would just laugh. Infact Krato's has no Devil Arms so he really doesn't stand a chance.

http://www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/Zeus-vs-Odin-172755.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin

And The Collosus only DEVIL ARMS can hurt him. Besides Krato's is a Mortal and Mortal things can kill him. The only difference is that Collosus hand is bigger nonething more. It was just a normal statue(when GOW power was drained).

How can Krato's stop Spiritual Swords? Dark Slayer(he can easily teleport behind Kratos and impale him). Dante: Devil Trigger + Darkslayer Style + Judgement Cut = Ripping anything into 17 pieces. And Dante has gotten hit by Divine Attacks. So The Blade isn't any different. Besides he has Demonic Aura(telekenisis). So he could charge the shots back at him. Or just Asorb The Blade's power(helping Dante)using it again'st Kratos.

Gumachi
ok.. what would you guys think would happen if dante does these: Quicksilver-stop time- do Round Trip (either on Rebellion, Sparda Sword, Alastor) Trickster- get in front of Kratos.. Equip Gilgamesh/Beowulf activate Doppelganger.. DO REAL IMPACT .. finishing it off with DDT MAJIN FORM.. Charge Attack = owned! phew! :P

How can he stop a Spritual Dante? Or Sparda Cannon?

Burning thought
Originally posted by Gumachi
1.Maybe he would. But if he can surive Yamato(Sparda's Sword)he can surive The Blades.

2.Dante doesn't have to do what Kratos does to show how strong he is. It's not about knocking down Minotaurs or ripping Gorgon's heads off. But Combos(gameplay here). So just because he doesn't do what Kratos does doesn't mean he isn't strong.

3.Please Krato's was weak. Crying? No Dante doesn't beg unlike Kratos who had to call upon Ares when the Barbarian King was about to splatter his ass.

4.Royal Guard can block any attacks. The Fleece can't it can block projectiles and normal swords attacks. I'd like to see The Fleece take bullets considering the fact that The Bullets can match up to the Fleece. Have you even played DMC3? You can BLOCK ANYTHING. And the RG can asorb attacks and use it against Kratos. So Eurayle's Rage wouldn't do anything but turn him into stone and Beowulf would break him in pieces.

5.And you don't think Dante can? He only can swing them for about what? 5 secs and he stops. Dante can easily stop time. He can get hit by Zeus' Bolts. He wouldn't shred anything. He isn't a Mortal unlike Kratos. And Kratos is slow. That's The Blades that's moving fast not Kratos. Aparently Kratos is the one who can't take hits.

6.He will get right back up. Unlike Krato's who would get killed. He got hit by Collosus hand and nearly died. And was getting crushed by Kraken's Tentacle. Until Gaia appeared as his wife and helped him(Upgrade to Rage of Titans). Krato's can take a hit aparently. He was weakened and got his ass owned and had to get help from Gaia. He only ripped a Rotting Carcase anyone can do that.

7.He would've been dead. And he was about to fight Vergil again. Unlike Kratos who has to get help from the Ares when the BK was about to slay him. Dante has Speed, Agility, Endurance, and Durability. Atlas Quake? Dante can jump up in the air. Cronos Rage? I bout it would hurt him.Eurayle's Rage? DT and fly in the air. And Shock him. Pandora, Gilgamesh, Beowulf, Yamato. Aparently you don't like Dante. But since you wanna get gritty(I like Kratos but since you wanna play nasty). And Kratos has to get help from The Gods/Titans(to slay Ares/Zeus). Without there powers he would be dead(and there help to escape Hades). It doesn't matter. As soon as Dante is struck he's healed. And since you wanna get serious. The Blades probably wouldn't hurt Dante. He would just laugh. Infact Krato's has no Devil Arms so he really doesn't stand a chance.

http://www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/Zeus-vs-Odin-172755.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin

And The Collosus only DEVIL ARMS can hurt him. Besides Krato's is a Mortal and Mortal things can kill him. The only difference is that Collosus hand is bigger nonething more. It was just a normal statue(when GOW power was drained).

How can Krato's stop Spiritual Swords? Dark Slayer(he can easily teleport behind Kratos and impale him). Dante: Devil Trigger + Darkslayer Style + Judgement Cut = Ripping anything into 17 pieces. And Dante has gotten hit by Divine Attacks. So The Blade isn't any different.

1. erm now, explain that logic to me? one slash with Yamato impaling him to the wall incapaciates him for a fairly long time, how does that even compare with a guy far stronger than Vergil swinging a pair of chain blades like a vortex through Dantes body and turning him into chop suey?

2. Yes he does, combos are nothing to do with strength, thats tactics/skill, ime talking about raw strength, muscle power, its like your saying "dante doesnt have to show he is strong to be strong" when, yes, he does...otherwise its the same as me telling people I can lift skyscrapers but Ime not going to show it...

3. kratos was weak when? show me a feat comparable to the mortal, the weakest form of Kratos being crushed by the colossus of Rhodes performed by Dante?

4. Your talking gameplay again.....Royal guard is simply a sword block, thats all it is...in gameplay it can block certain things but its NEVER blocked a beam that can turn him or it to stone...


5. Again your talking BS gameplay, the maker of this thread put the real characters into this battle, gameplay mechanics mean nothing...otherwise kratos has "continues" if he is defeated? lol....what do you mean he isnt a mortal unlike Kratos? being immortal doesnt mean anything in DMC other than not dieing of Old age like it does in lord of the rings, Dante is broken by physical objects such as blades, show me Dante enduring something please.

6. Colossus hand>>>>>Yamato going through your chest, a human could survive Yamato in their stomach, just like any sword, albiet without medical attension they would die later but Kratos is no human, hes a Demi-God and has endured far more than Dante.

7. Dante has speed only, so far youve shown zero evidence of Durability, endurance. You doubt Kronos rage would hurt him? it would blast him to the ground and electrocute him to ash...


so what if he needs help from Gods? he has their powers now and the blade of Olmypus...so what he required earlier is nothing, Dante needs his weapons to win, as does Kratos, problem is kratos' are far more powerful. Thats false, no time in the game is dante struck and heals instantly, the only time he has a real healing factor tbh is gameplay in his Devil trigger state, other than that a lot of the time he has wounds on his body for a fair duration before they are fully healed. Devil arms? lmao....he doesnt need them you fool, hes got massive lightning bolts, ebony and ivory are pathetic for starters they cant even break human made pool balls in the beginning of DMC 3, their pathetic like a lot of Dantes weapons.

The hand of the Colossus of rhodes is an empowered metal construct weighing tonnes and powered by Zeus, it far outweighs anything Dante has been hit by 100 times over, and you know whats really funny? Kratos was in his weakest form when he was hit....now hes had all the tonnes of powerups from the blade of Olmypus and the other titans AND regained his power he is far beyond Dante and his weapons.

Swords? Fleece....they can stop magic projectiles and lighnting, lame floating sworsd which are fairly slow even to kratos' standard would never be a threat.

What divine attacks? the blade has the incredible power of Zeus and one blast created a melted hole in the colossus metal body, Dantes tiny frame would shatter.

Originally posted by Gumachi
ok.. what would you guys think would happen if dante does these: Quicksilver-stop time- do Round Trip (either on Rebellion, Sparda Sword, Alastor) Trickster- get in front of Kratos.. Equip Gilgamesh/Beowulf activate Doppelganger.. DO REAL IMPACT .. finishing it off with DDT MAJIN FORM.. Charge Attack = owned! phew! :P

How can he stop a Spritual Dante? Or Sparda Cannon?

Quicksilver is on a very limited duration and stems from the same power Devil trigger does so no "DDT Majin form" or charge attacks.

by the time hes frozen time hes prob got little time to do anything to Kratos thats worth doing, his puny swords and weapons will not slice through Kratos who can survive Atlas' strength, Colossus of rhodes (at his weakest), by the time you get to the equip Gilgamesh/bewulf part Dante is screwed since by then Quicksilver would be over and Kratos just punches Dante in the face, knocks him out and turns him to stone...

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Kratos would rip his limbs off then dance around sturtting his rediculous jaw line.

Gumachi
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. erm now, explain that logic to me? one slash with Yamato impaling him to the wall incapaciates him for a fairly long time, how does that even compare with a guy far stronger than Vergil swinging a pair of chain blades like a vortex through Dantes body and turning him into chop suey?

2. Yes he does, combos are nothing to do with strength, thats tactics/skill, ime talking about raw strength, muscle power, its like your saying "dante doesnt have to show he is strong to be strong" when, yes, he does...otherwise its the same as me telling people I can lift skyscrapers but Ime not going to show it...

3. kratos was weak when? show me a feat comparable to the mortal, the weakest form of Kratos being crushed by the colossus of Rhodes performed by Dante?

4. Your talking gameplay again.....Royal guard is simply a sword block, thats all it is...in gameplay it can block certain things but its NEVER blocked a beam that can turn him or it to stone...


5. Again your talking BS gameplay, the maker of this thread put the real characters into this battle, gameplay mechanics mean nothing...otherwise kratos has "continues" if he is defeated? lol....what do you mean he isnt a mortal unlike Kratos? being immortal doesnt mean anything in DMC other than not dieing of Old age like it does in lord of the rings, Dante is broken by physical objects such as blades, show me Dante enduring something please.

6. Colossus hand>>>>>Yamato going through your chest, a human could survive Yamato in their stomach, just like any sword, albiet without medical attension they would die later but Kratos is no human, hes a Demi-God and has endured far more than Dante.

7. Dante has speed only, so far youve shown zero evidence of Durability, endurance. You doubt Kronos rage would hurt him? it would blast him to the ground and electrocute him to ash...


so what if he needs help from Gods? he has their powers now and the blade of Olmypus...so what he required earlier is nothing, Dante needs his weapons to win, as does Kratos, problem is kratos' are far more powerful. Thats false, no time in the game is dante struck and heals instantly, the only time he has a real healing factor tbh is gameplay in his Devil trigger state, other than that a lot of the time he has wounds on his body for a fair duration before they are fully healed. Devil arms? lmao....he doesnt need them you fool, hes got massive lightning bolts, ebony and ivory are pathetic for starters they cant even break human made pool balls in the beginning of DMC 3, their pathetic like a lot of Dantes weapons.

The hand of the Colossus of rhodes is an empowered metal construct weighing tonnes and powered by Zeus, it far outweighs anything Dante has been hit by 100 times over, and you know whats really funny? Kratos was in his weakest form when he was hit....now hes had all the tonnes of powerups from the blade of Olmypus and the other titans AND regained his power he is far beyond Dante and his weapons.

Swords? Fleece....they can stop magic projectiles and lighnting, lame floating sworsd which are fairly slow even to kratos' standard would never be a threat.

What divine attacks? the blade has the incredible power of Zeus and one blast created a melted hole in the colossus metal body, Dantes tiny frame would shatter.



Quicksilver is on a very limited duration and stems from the same power Devil trigger does so no "DDT Majin form" or charge attacks.

by the time hes frozen time hes prob got little time to do anything to Kratos thats worth doing, his puny swords and weapons will not slice through Kratos who can survive Atlas' strength, Colossus of rhodes (at his weakest), by the time you get to the equip Gilgamesh/bewulf part Dante is screwed since by then Quicksilver would be over and Kratos just punches Dante in the face, knocks him out and turns him to stone...

1.It wouldn't do anything. He would just laugh and but Ebony and Ivory on Kratos.

2.If Krato's is so strong why does he struggle to lift up doors then? Like I said we haven't seen his true strength.

3.Probably the only time he was weak. And in CoO when Charon(I think)dumped him in Tartarus.

4.He only blocked a beam. Why are you throwing cutscenes in here? But when I do you get mad? You didn't make the thread.

5.Like when Krato's was about to get killed when Gaia had to help him(when the Kraken was about to crush him). He can't get hurt by Mortal things. IF that's in the case rocks can kill Kratos.

6.He's a mortal. And it seems he was nonething until he called upon Ares. And he never has been called a DemiGod.

7.Fire can't hurt him. Desperation Devil Trigger?

8.That's stupid he needs his weapons? He can't even defeat a God without using other Gods powers(Like he had to go God-To-God to defeat Ares and for Titans to kill Zeus). Hell he couldn't even defeat Collosus without using The Blade. Actually he healed. When Dante put Yamato in him. When he got his hand cut. When Alastor went thru him(he didn't feel anything)and when Trish throwed the Force Edge at his heart with Her power. You mean patheic like how he has to use other God's magic? Like patheic like the weak wind and atlas quake and lighting?(Rocks, wind and lighting). 4 little magic.

It wasn't powered by Zeus. Because he had drained the power from it. He didn't gain his power back. Dante was weak when Vergil stabbed him but he was ready for another fight.

Why couldn't it stop Zeus' lighting when he was big? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0fzN-9eWzQ&feature=related @ 3:10 Divine Attacks like that. Then why can't it kill Cerberus, Minotaurs, Gorgons, Cyclops, etc in 1 hit?(Which Sparda's Cannon can)

Play DMC2 when his health is low he can go Sparda DT.

If you wanna be like that saying it's "limited" Krato's magic is limited then. Unless Urns/Infinite DT are allowed. Why are you trying to dodge no "DDT?"

Atlas was weak when Hades' ripped his soul out. Knock him out? Stone him? How can he do that if he uses DT? He already got punched by Nero/W Devil Arm(I think)20x he would just laugh at his little fist. Kratos has NONETHING to kill Dante with. He can stab all he wants he will just laugh. Still answer my question. How can he stop Spritual Swords(which can't be blocked), Spritual Dante?

ok.. what would you guys think would happen if dante does these: Quicksilver-stop time- do Round Trip (either on Rebellion, Sparda Sword, Alastor) Trickster- get in front of Kratos.. Equip Gilgamesh/Beowulf activate Doppelganger.. DO REAL IMPACT .. finishing it off with DDT MAJIN FORM.. Charge Attack = owned! phew! :P Or hell even unleash 1000s bats(blood sucking lighting bats that stick to him like leaches)or unleases Giant Cannon on him.

Or Sparda Cannon? Jackpot? The Blade wouldn't hurt him(not a Devil Arm). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5nqn0nYb8E&feature=related

Dante's swords arn't normal.(if you think they LOOK normal)if that's in the case Ares was killed with a Normal Sword.

DarkSlayer(Teleportation), Yamato/W JudgementCut, Ifrit, Beowulf, Artemis, Rebellion, Vendetta, Merceless, Pandora(666 Weapons), Alastor, Beowulf, Agni & Rudra, Cerberus(which he can summon ice crystals), Sparda's Sword, Force Edge,etc.

Dante sealed away omnipotent beings, slew immortal gods, felled legions of demons and angels, all without breaking a sweat. Realistically speaking, there are maybe two dozen characters in all of fiction that actually stand a chance of challenging a full-power Dante.

1) Dante slew Lucifer (A feat easily comparable, if not superior to, slaying Zeus, which Kratos has yet to do)
2) Dante can take 10,000,000 hits way better than Kratos can take one - check out the DMC3 intro scene to mission 1, where Dante gets stabbed like 6x and doesn't even notice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGv5w3kCVHc
3) While Kratos has power while holding the Blade of Olympus, standing next to a statue of the (now dead) Athena, and with a Titan...

Dante has dimentional seals.
Dante's gonna grow bored with the target practice and slam Kratos with a Jackpot/Eraser seal(In Hell--not Hades). In Greek Myth Hades was a cavern.

Dante CHOSE an eternity of torment at the end of DMC2, and fought his own way back out. He wouldn't need their help and would find just an easy time slaying lower level fiends like the harpies, and even higher level demons like the Furies, as he did slaying Argosax the most poweful evil God. Dante's Spiral has 10,000x range. Even if he does slow down time Dante is still fast. Kratos wouldn't be able to lift his blades(or would he). Slaying Lord of The Underworld? Berial?

Sparda Trigger/Sparda Cannon/Jackpot (Eraser) Seal would most probably tear Kratos apart. I don't remember what I said about The Blade but it might or might nor(which I doubt)hurt him.

Dante has fighting Styles.

(Don't forget the Greek Gods carried Mortal Bodies and died easily by getting impaled).So maybe Mundus wasn't AS powerful as Zeus. Argosax was. So was Odin. The Archangel isn't exactly a pushover. And let's not forget Satan! Just a few of the Gods and Deities Dante's utterly stomped in his long God-slaying career. Kratos controls time? So? Dante does, too - The Bangle of Time and Quiksilver.

Dante's devil blood make him an instant master with any weapon that has any affiliation with the divine or the underworld instantly - in this case, the Blades of Chaos/Athena. He'd be just as good as Kratos in a billionth of a second just by holding them. And if Kratos were strong enough to do that (Dante's stronger with Ifrit/Beowulf/Gilgamesh), Dante still has range over Kratos.

Gumachi
I'd like to see Krato's slay a Titan(which Dante has done). Kratos has killed what 6 Gods?(3 Sisters of Fate--Which Dante ALSO KILLED, Athena--Accident, Ares, Persephone)

Dante-Atlas, Gaia, Typhon, Berial(Lord of Fire Hell), Argosax(Lord of Underworld, Argosax, Satan, Odin, Fate. probably many more.

Dante can take more attacks than Kratos. All different types of Blades went thru him(that includes blades from the Underworld--So BOA wouldn't be different)and he was fine. In Human Form. There's no telling what he can do in Devil Form. Besides BOTH can control time. So it really wouldn't work. Dante slays God and Angels. Odin was worser than Zeus(Zeus was God of Gods--Lighting God). Odin(God of God--God of War, Death, Music, Culture). And he has yet to slay Zeus.

If Kratos' control of Fate was truly so all-powerful and unbeatable, then Zeus wouldn't have gotten away from Kratos, nor would he have survived his encounter with the Sisters of Fate in the first place.

Dante easily dispatched of Odin, who, by their every mythos, is infinitely more powerful than Zeus, who merely reigns the skies and hurls ion bolts. Odin commands the Odinforce - the cosmic well of energy that shapes and reigns our universe according to his will. Zeus had nothing on Odin, and Dante screwed the later over big time.
And let's not forget that the Greek "immortals", who are simply a more powerful species of human and can't control the cosmic web of the universe

Dante controls time and space with his mind alone, let alone the Bangle of Time. None of Kratos' weapons can even hurt Dante, it takes a Devil Arm even to damage him. If Kratos tries to grapple Dante, then he's just making himself an easier target for Dante to put a bullet in his head. And Kratos has no Devil Arms to hurt him(and i'm shure it wouldnt).

Dante can stop any harmful effect, can turn invincible, can severely cut into damage taken, can parry blows, can battle spiritual threats with his own magic, and protect himself with magic barriers. Respectively, Royal Block, Dreadnought, Devil Trigger/Demon Aura, swordsmanship, Nevan/Cerberus, among other defensive effects. You have forgotten Royal Guard/W Dreadnought can block any attack.

Dante proved that Tornadoes, big rocks, AND lightning do nothing at all to even impede him, and a bullet will still kill a mortal, which is what Kratos is, no matter how much you can lift. Kratos has powerful magic, but it's not THAT powerful. It was not his magic that could contend with the gods, he had to always use brute force/item.

Immortal means not dying of age. Uranus was killed with a sickle. So God's arn't invincible if that's what you think.

Dante is more powerful than Sparda(and has defeated the power of Sparda once or twice).

BTW, the games themselves confirm Dante as Sparda's superior. Dante defeated Vergil at his Full Power.

Strength doesn't matter. Sometimes Speed>Strength(David vs Goliath?)

Dante traveled, and he slew this wholly evil being that was once a chief angel among God(Satan).

How can Krato's survive something that slayed the most powerful God to exist(Jackpot killing Argosax in 1 hit).

ragesRemorse
Originally posted by Gumachi
Now that I think The Blades of Athena would hurt Dante since they were forged in the Underworld(Hades).

IDK.

It doesn't matter. Hades' Souls could hurt Dante though

It doesn't matter if he had a blessing or not. They don't create Devil Arms(they arn't Demons). Unless the weapons are forged in the Underworld or something.

And well Ares removed the Blades but he gave them to him soooo, They can only be removed by the person that gave him The Blades.(or otherwise Zeus would have took them from him).

Dante killed Gods. And Artemis slayed a Titan with The Artemis Blade. And Uranus was killed with a Sickle. And "Immortal" means they can't die from age. They still can be slain. Like I said THE BLADE COULD KILL DANTE. So he has to bring DANTE DOWN HARD for him to slay Dante. Same goes for Dante. He would defeat Kratos BUT it won't be hard. He's gonna have a hell of a time slaying him. (Because eventually he will outsmart him.)

Gods can only be killed by another God. That should be common knowledge, but it was also said in the first God of War. I agree though, It would be a hard fought match for Dante to win. I actually think Kratos would rock Dante's shit but again i think it depends on what his powers are. without the power of a God , Dante could just keep Kratos at bay until he drops him with his guns.

k1Lla441
Originally posted by Gumachi
1.The Collosus had no God of War power in it and was just a regular statue. It wouldn't have killed Dante.

2.Alastor is Divine and Ifrit. Doesn't mean it will kill Dante in 1 hit though.

3.I'd like to see him in hand to hand.

4.He has to be in the mirror. Otherwise why didn't he just go back in time and go to the point where Zeus betrayed him(w/o going inside the mirror)

5.He still needs a Statue. Unlike Dante who can stop it with his mind.

6.Hell not Hades. Hades is easy to escape. How can you escape your own power?

7.It can block projectiles. The Royal Guard can block ANY ATTACK. The Fleece can't block attacks from The Blade. Besides I doubt The Blade can cut thru anything.

8.If he get's impaled he's already dead Alastor(Thunder Devil/God).

Brutality: Kratos

Endurance: Tie

Durability: Dante

Weapons: Dante. The Hammer is slow and the souls are kind of weak.

Magic: Kratos. Actually Dante can summon a few magic with Agni & Rudra and with Beowulf and Nevan and Ifrit and Alastor(Maybe more)
1. If you put dante in kratos' position, yes it would have. remember, when kratos was actually trying to fight the collosus, it wasnt that much of a problem. But all im saying is if dante, while not paying attention, got hit by the collosus just like kratos did, it would have totally splattered him everywhere. If dante was paying attention to the collosus, im pretty sure he would find some way to kill it, but then again the same thing goes for kratos.

2. your avoiding the point. im trying to say that getting stabbed by the BoO isnt the same as getting stabbed by any other sword. You say "kratos is weak because he got stabbed by a sword. dante got stabbed by a sword and lived" which means nothing. The sword dante got stabbed with and the sword kratos got stabbed with are waayyy different in power levels. The BoO isnt just a normal sword, so pretty much anyone getting impaled by it isnt going to live.

3. We have wait to see that. But until then dont say, or imply that kratos cant fight hand to hand.

4. Stated by someone else earlier in the arguement, when he did take the titans back in time with him the loom chamber was demolished, so how could he use it? And im assuming the reason he didnt go back in time before zues betrayed him is because it was either these 2 options: 1) go back in time and try to fight zues (what you claimed he should have done) or 2) do what he did, got back in time and get all the titans on his side, bring them to his side, and have a major advantage. Thats why he didnt do your idea, because his was better.

5. Now your just talking in circles. Did you see him use a statue when he used time control at the end of the game? no. And he couldnt have use the loom chamber because it was destroyed. So there is only one other option: he did it with his own power. The only two options you had are now gone, i gave you proof of mother gaia saying it, and kratos did it in the game that you claim to have beat. If thats not enough proof for you, then obviously your blind.

6. Isnt hell the same thing as hades in gow?

7. The fleece can block a LOT more than just projectiles. And how would you know if royal gaurd can block anything? half the stuff in kratos' arsenal dante hasnt even faced, so you wouldnt know if can block it or not. As BT has said, well never know if dantes "royal guard" can block a laser beam from medusas head, which is pretty much impossible since the beam would be touching his hand, which would turn him to stone. The fleece can block the BoO attacks. And I dont care what you doubt the blade can or cant do, if you cant prove the blade cant cut through anything then it doesnt matter.

8. Which he cant even do that, because of kratos' insane reflex abilities.

Brutality: your right.

Endurance: kratos can last much longer than dante can.

Durability: Close, but i have to call it a tie. If i had to choose, maybe dante due to insane regeneration.

Weapons: kratos. the only thing bad you had to say was on 1 weapon? ya know i named more than one weapon, so you saying only 1 bad thing about 1 weapon proves to me that kratos does have the better weapon set.

Magic: kratos. Dante does have a lil magic, your right.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Gods can only be killed by another God. That should be common knowledge, but it was also said in the first God of War. I agree though, It would be a hard fought match for Dante to win. I actually think Kratos would rock Dante's shit but again i think it depends on what his powers are. without the power of a God , Dante could just keep Kratos at bay until he drops him with his guns.
Did kratos even have god powers when he beat ares? I thought all pandoras box did was make him giant. And kratos has long range weapons too.

Burning thought
Originally posted by Gumachi
1.It wouldn't do anything. He would just laugh and but Ebony and Ivory on Kratos.

2.If Krato's is so strong why does he struggle to lift up doors then? Like I said we haven't seen his true strength.

3.Probably the only time he was weak. And in CoO when Charon(I think)dumped him in Tartarus.

4.He only blocked a beam. Why are you throwing cutscenes in here? But when I do you get mad? You didn't make the thread.

5.Like when Krato's was about to get killed when Gaia had to help him(when the Kraken was about to crush him). He can't get hurt by Mortal things. IF that's in the case rocks can kill Kratos.

6.He's a mortal. And it seems he was nonething until he called upon Ares. And he never has been called a DemiGod.

7.Fire can't hurt him. Desperation Devil Trigger?

8.That's stupid he needs his weapons? He can't even defeat a God without using other Gods powers(Like he had to go God-To-God to defeat Ares and for Titans to kill Zeus). Hell he couldn't even defeat Collosus without using The Blade. Actually he healed. When Dante put Yamato in him. When he got his hand cut. When Alastor went thru him(he didn't feel anything)and when Trish throwed the Force Edge at his heart with Her power. You mean patheic like how he has to use other God's magic? Like patheic like the weak wind and atlas quake and lighting?(Rocks, wind and lighting). 4 little magic.

It wasn't powered by Zeus. Because he had drained the power from it. He didn't gain his power back. Dante was weak when Vergil stabbed him but he was ready for another fight.

Why couldn't it stop Zeus' lighting when he was big? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0fzN-9eWzQ&feature=related @ 3:10 Divine Attacks like that. Then why can't it kill Cerberus, Minotaurs, Gorgons, Cyclops, etc in 1 hit?(Which Sparda's Cannon can)

Play DMC2 when his health is low he can go Sparda DT.

If you wanna be like that saying it's "limited" Krato's magic is limited then. Unless Urns/Infinite DT are allowed. Why are you trying to dodge no "DDT?"

Atlas was weak when Hades' ripped his soul out. Knock him out? Stone him? How can he do that if he uses DT? He already got punched by Nero/W Devil Arm(I think)20x he would just laugh at his little fist. Kratos has NONETHING to kill Dante with. He can stab all he wants he will just laugh. Still answer my question. How can he stop Spritual Swords(which can't be blocked), Spritual Dante?

ok.. what would you guys think would happen if dante does these: Quicksilver-stop time- do Round Trip (either on Rebellion, Sparda Sword, Alastor) Trickster- get in front of Kratos.. Equip Gilgamesh/Beowulf activate Doppelganger.. DO REAL IMPACT .. finishing it off with DDT MAJIN FORM.. Charge Attack = owned! phew! :P Or hell even unleash 1000s bats(blood sucking lighting bats that stick to him like leaches)or unleases Giant Cannon on him.

Or Sparda Cannon? Jackpot? The Blade wouldn't hurt him(not a Devil Arm). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5nqn0nYb8E&feature=related

Dante's swords arn't normal.(if you think they LOOK normal)if that's in the case Ares was killed with a Normal Sword.

DarkSlayer(Teleportation), Yamato/W JudgementCut, Ifrit, Beowulf, Artemis, Rebellion, Vendetta, Merceless, Pandora(666 Weapons), Alastor, Beowulf, Agni & Rudra, Cerberus(which he can summon ice crystals), Sparda's Sword, Force Edge,etc.



Dante has dimentional seals.
Dante's gonna grow bored with the target practice and slam Kratos with a Jackpot/Eraser seal(In Hell--not Hades). In Greek Myth Hades was a cavern.

Dante CHOSE an eternity of torment at the end of DMC2, and fought his own way back out. He wouldn't need their help and would find just an easy time slaying lower level fiends like the harpies, and even higher level demons like the Furies, as he did slaying Argosax the most poweful evil God. Dante's Spiral has 10,000x range. Even if he does slow down time Dante is still fast. Kratos wouldn't be able to lift his blades(or would he). Slaying Lord of The Underworld? Berial?

Sparda Trigger/Sparda Cannon/Jackpot (Eraser) Seal would most probably tear Kratos apart. I don't remember what I said about The Blade but it might or might nor(which I doubt)hurt him.

Dante has fighting Styles.



Dante's devil blood make him an instant master with any weapon that has any affiliation with the divine or the underworld instantly - in this case, the Blades of Chaos/Athena. He'd be just as good as Kratos in a billionth of a second just by holding them. And if Kratos were strong enough to do that (Dante's stronger with Ifrit/Beowulf/Gilgamesh), Dante still has range over Kratos.

1. Thats nice, now give me reasons.....your just making a statement, its like me simply saying "kratos one hits Dante with the back of his hand" and not backing it up.

2. Weve seen Dantes maximum strength feats, and they are far weaker than Kratos, you obviously dont understand how debates work, you compare feats. Kratos lifts far larger than doors, hes lifted many monsters, overpowered teh Hydra by a long shot, and even pushed apart Atlas' fingers.

3. Dante was never dumped into Tartarus.....

4. Cutscenes is what characters are, cutscenes are whats important, your using gameplay, do you think Royal guard would stop Galactus from the Marvel universe just because it can stop a shadow creature in DMC? your talking gameplay, stop talking gameplay or lose all creadability

5. Theres no statement that says Dante cannot be harmed by mortal things, show me this please.....and stop ignoring my posts, I asked you to show me dante surviving something impressive like Kratos has done at his weakest, or are you not capable? if so then concede.

6. Yes he was lol, youve not played GOW 2? you dont know Kratos is the son of Zeus? lmao....sorry but your rediculous and highly laughable. Your trying pathetically to debate a character you dont know anything about and it seems you know very little of Dante as well.

7. Ime talking electrocution, not fire wally lol....Desperation DT? show me this evidence bring up a cutscene or text telling us.

8. Thing is Dante cannot defeat anything without his devil arms....so your taling a load of crap and rubbish aint ya? kratos uses God weapons to kill gods, Dante uses devil arms to kill devils....thing is the Gods in GOW are far more powerful than most if not all the enemies in DMC. The Savior is the only thing that comes close to GOW characters and even that is fairly slow and its most powerful weapons are limited especially by range and speed. A blast of lightning which blasts enemies is far more powerful than ebony and ivory which cannot break human made pool balls lol....thing is Euryales head can turn Dante and his equipment to stone in one blast lol.

lol wtf, Dante was weak almost every time he was actually hit, he gets impaled with Vergils sword on several occasions...hes weak and incapaciated..pathetic, he gets blasts by Mundus shards, he falls and loses his Devil Trigger....he just cant take a hit at all. Wheras Kratos is crushed while being his weakest form as a Demi God, lost most of his power and survives tonnes of bronze smashing on top of him....

Thats not divine...thats just the saviour fireing blasts of energy, like he is more of the game, like the Sistsers of fate (3 of them) use regulary on kratos...not to mention thats gameplay which is at most a non factor lol.....stop using gameplay, its irrelvent, only the non gameplay elements are relevent for a character especially gameplay mechanics

lol when his health is low he can do that form? in gameplay

What a moronic thing to say, Dante, Mundus and most of the DMC universe would be destroyed by Hades soul ripping chains...so saying Atlas was weak by being defeated by it is a foolish thing to say at best.

Nothing states Dante can only be harmed by devil arms show me this evidence if you belive it to be true.

No dantes swords are not normal, most of them are devil spirit swords empowered by demons or otherwise, but their weak in comparison to Kratos; arsenal.

Burning thought
Originally posted by Gumachi
(Don't forget the Greek Gods carried Mortal Bodies and died easily by getting impaled).So maybe Mundus wasn't AS powerful as Zeus. Argosax was. So was Odin. The Archangel isn't exactly a pushover. And let's not forget Satan! Just a few of the Gods and Deities Dante's utterly stomped in his long God-slaying career. Kratos controls time? So? Dante does, too - The Bangle of Time and Quiksilver.

Dante sealed away omnipotent beings, slew immortal gods, felled legions of demons and angels, all without breaking a sweat. Realistically speaking, there are maybe two dozen characters in all of fiction that actually stand a chance of challenging a full-power Dante.

1) Dante slew Lucifer (A feat easily comparable, if not superior to, slaying Zeus, which Kratos has yet to do)
2) Dante can take 10,000,000 hits way better than Kratos can take one - check out the DMC3 intro scene to mission 1, where Dante gets stabbed like 6x and doesn't even notice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGv5w3kCVHc
3) While Kratos has power while holding the Blade of Olympus, standing next to a statue of the (now dead) Athena, and with a Titan...


Dante has done none of those things, immortal Gods? omnipotent beings lmao, ime sorry but your being ridiculous now, the most powerufl being Dante has ever faced and defeated was Munudus or embodiment of sin, ill quote everytihng you said that was a lie below



Dantes most powerful battles are trifles, puny beings compared to what Kratos has faced and defeated, the Hyrdra alone far outweighs half of the monsters in DMC, and the DMC bosses are all outclassed by bosses such as the Colossus of rhodes or otherwise. mundus, the Savior etc could all be defeated by Zeus or Ares with ease, Ares would turn both Mundus and the Savior into crushed piles by himself.

Berial? Berials just a larger version of those little fiery dogs Kratos kills regulary, and is much smaller and weaker than most of Kratos' opponents.

What Greek Gods? in GOW (which is the game were talking about incase you needed a recap roll eyes (sarcastic) ) the Greek gods use their own powerful bodies and forms, not mortal....Ares could not be harmed by the mortal athenians for example when he battled them in GOW 1. Dante never fought Odin, an Archangel or Satan

Dante has a very limited control of time, Kratos has the power to not only slow but travel through time, Dantes is a very limited duration.

Burning thought
Originally posted by Gumachi
I'd like to see Krato's slay a Titan(which Dante has done). Kratos has killed what 6 Gods?(3 Sisters of Fate--Which Dante ALSO KILLED, Athena--Accident, Ares, Persephone)

Dante-Atlas, Gaia, Typhon, Berial(Lord of Fire Hell), Argosax(Lord of Underworld, Argosax, Satan, Odin, Fate. probably many more.

Dante can take more attacks than Kratos. All different types of Blades went thru him(that includes blades from the Underworld--So BOA wouldn't be different)and he was fine. In Human Form. There's no telling what he can do in Devil Form. Besides BOTH can control time. So it really wouldn't work. Dante slays God and Angels. Odin was worser than Zeus(Zeus was God of Gods--Lighting God). Odin(God of God--God of War, Death, Music, Culture). And he has yet to slay Zeus.

If Kratos' control of Fate was truly so all-powerful and unbeatable, then Zeus wouldn't have gotten away from Kratos, nor would he have survived his encounter with the Sisters of Fate in the first place.

Dante easily dispatched of Odin, who, by their every mythos, is infinitely more powerful than Zeus, who merely reigns the skies and hurls ion bolts. Odin commands the Odinforce - the cosmic well of energy that shapes and reigns our universe according to his will. Zeus had nothing on Odin, and Dante screwed the later over big time.
And let's not forget that the Greek "immortals", who are simply a more powerful species of human and can't control the cosmic web of the universe

Dante controls time and space with his mind alone, let alone the Bangle of Time. None of Kratos' weapons can even hurt Dante, it takes a Devil Arm even to damage him. If Kratos tries to grapple Dante, then he's just making himself an easier target for Dante to put a bullet in his head. And Kratos has no Devil Arms to hurt him(and i'm shure it wouldnt).

Dante can stop any harmful effect, can turn invincible, can severely cut into damage taken, can parry blows, can battle spiritual threats with his own magic, and protect himself with magic barriers. Respectively, Royal Block, Dreadnought, Devil Trigger/Demon Aura, swordsmanship, Nevan/Cerberus, among other defensive effects. You have forgotten Royal Guard/W Dreadnought can block any attack.

Dante proved that Tornadoes, big rocks, AND lightning do nothing at all to even impede him, and a bullet will still kill a mortal, which is what Kratos is, no matter how much you can lift. Kratos has powerful magic, but it's not THAT powerful. It was not his magic that could contend with the gods, he had to always use brute force/item.

Immortal means not dying of age. Uranus was killed with a sickle. So God's arn't invincible if that's what you think.

Dante is more powerful than Sparda(and has defeated the power of Sparda once or twice).

BTW, the games themselves confirm Dante as Sparda's superior. Dante defeated Vergil at his Full Power.

Strength doesn't matter. Sometimes Speed>Strength(David vs Goliath?)

Dante traveled, and he slew this wholly evil being that was once a chief angel among God(Satan).

How can Krato's survive something that slayed the most powerful God to exist(Jackpot killing Argosax in 1 hit).

lol.....Dante has never slain a Titan nor has he ever slain the sisters of fate., when has he done these things?

infact theres no point in answering each part of this post, almost all of it is a lie...Dante never slew Satan or Odin etc, if your talking about some uncaonon manga then uncanon nonsense was NEVER allowed in games vs, if your talking about a canon piece of fiction outside the game...then its still not allowed in VS debates, take this tip into account please in your future posts, bringing up rubbish hes done outside his own canon or outside his own game is worthless.

Kratos has only the power now to slow/freeze time with the piece he gained from the sisters, his ability to travel through time was lost after the temple of the fates was destroyed.

wtf, what fiction are you drawring anything from now? WERE USING THE GOW FICTION FOR THE GOW CHARACTERS the Odinforce sounds like something from Marvel, not DMC, Dante has never fought in marvel, if he has, its not canon and certainly not relevent for this forum.

this whole paragraph is a lie.


So is this sentence.

Strength does matter, David vs Goliath is a bad example, since he didnt use speed, he uses skill and a better weapon.

Jackpot? where is it said Argonex was killed by Jackpot? furthermore as i said before, he would never get the shot off, the charge time Jackpot requires to fire is long enough for Kratos to rip Dante to pieces or turn him to stone with an instant Gorgan flash.

Wil Deidara
Originally posted by k1Lla441
Did kratos even have god powers when he beat ares? I thought all pandoras box did was make him giant. And kratos has long range weapons too.

Pandora's box allows you to go toe to toe with Ares. Kratos did better without all of his moves though.

Gumachi
Originally posted by Burning thought
Dante has done none of those things, immortal Gods? omnipotent beings lmao, ime sorry but your being ridiculous now, the most powerufl being Dante has ever faced and defeated was Munudus or embodiment of sin, ill quote everytihng you said that was a lie below



Dantes most powerful battles are trifles, puny beings compared to what Kratos has faced and defeated, the Hyrdra alone far outweighs half of the monsters in DMC, and the DMC bosses are all outclassed by bosses such as the Colossus of rhodes or otherwise. mundus, the Savior etc could all be defeated by Zeus or Ares with ease, Ares would turn both Mundus and the Savior into crushed piles by himself.

Berial? Berials just a larger version of those little fiery dogs Kratos kills regulary, and is much smaller and weaker than most of Kratos' opponents.

What Greek Gods? in GOW (which is the game were talking about incase you needed a recap roll eyes (sarcastic) ) the Greek gods use their own powerful bodies and forms, not mortal....Ares could not be harmed by the mortal athenians for example when he battled them in GOW 1. Dante never fought Odin, an Archangel or Satan

Dante has a very limited control of time, Kratos has the power to not only slow but travel through time, Dantes is a very limited duration.

Play Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne(The III I think)

lol The Savior would do his blast attack and kill Zeus(and Savior outside armor can't hit him). Mundus>Ares. Mundus can't be killed.


If you play Shin Megami Tensei: Noctrune he killed all of those Gods.

He can only travel back in time. Dante can stop time in 3 ways.

Gumachi
Originally posted by Burning thought
lol.....Dante has never slain a Titan nor has he ever slain the sisters of fate., when has he done these things?

infact theres no point in answering each part of this post, almost all of it is a lie...Dante never slew Satan or Odin etc, if your talking about some uncaonon manga then uncanon nonsense was NEVER allowed in games vs, if your talking about a canon piece of fiction outside the game...then its still not allowed in VS debates, take this tip into account please in your future posts, bringing up rubbish hes done outside his own canon or outside his own game is worthless.

Kratos has only the power now to slow/freeze time with the piece he gained from the sisters, his ability to travel through time was lost after the temple of the fates was destroyed.

wtf, what fiction are you drawring anything from now? WERE USING THE GOW FICTION FOR THE GOW CHARACTERS the Odinforce sounds like something from Marvel, not DMC, Dante has never fought in marvel, if he has, its not canon and certainly not relevent for this forum.

this whole paragraph is a lie.


So is this sentence.

Strength does matter, David vs Goliath is a bad example, since he didnt use speed, he uses skill and a better weapon.

Jackpot? where is it said Argonex was killed by Jackpot? furthermore as i said before, he would never get the shot off, the charge time Jackpot requires to fire is long enough for Kratos to rip Dante to pieces or turn him to stone with an instant Gorgan flash.

Play Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne and he slayed Titans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZCuDmLnZ0A Dante kills Lucifer.


He can only do that IF he's in the mirror http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZKoGndHzXw It's slow? He killed Argosax with Jackpot(even though he didn't say it). Where does it say Krato's can slow down time w/o a Fate's statue? Gorgon flash? He can protect himself with Cerberus Ice Protecter/Nevan Bats Protecter/RoyalGuard/Dreadnought Armor. If he can even be stoned. So yeah there's my proof before you babble something else. Sparda Cannon Krato's no more. And if he does get beat down he can still go DT. Infact The Blade wouldn't hurt him physically. And who said Dante had to be up on him? It's not like Dante would let Krato's impale him. And Gorgon's can't stone strong people.

Krato's doesn't kill any fiery dogs. Only Cerberus. Weak? No

Gumachi
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. Thats nice, now give me reasons.....your just making a statement, its like me simply saying "kratos one hits Dante with the back of his hand" and not backing it up.

2. Weve seen Dantes maximum strength feats, and they are far weaker than Kratos, you obviously dont understand how debates work, you compare feats. Kratos lifts far larger than doors, hes lifted many monsters, overpowered teh Hydra by a long shot, and even pushed apart Atlas' fingers.

3. Dante was never dumped into Tartarus.....

4. Cutscenes is what characters are, cutscenes are whats important, your using gameplay, do you think Royal guard would stop Galactus from the Marvel universe just because it can stop a shadow creature in DMC? your talking gameplay, stop talking gameplay or lose all creadability

5. Theres no statement that says Dante cannot be harmed by mortal things, show me this please.....and stop ignoring my posts, I asked you to show me dante surviving something impressive like Kratos has done at his weakest, or are you not capable? if so then concede.

6. Yes he was lol, youve not played GOW 2? you dont know Kratos is the son of Zeus? lmao....sorry but your rediculous and highly laughable. Your trying pathetically to debate a character you dont know anything about and it seems you know very little of Dante as well.

7. Ime talking electrocution, not fire wally lol....Desperation DT? show me this evidence bring up a cutscene or text telling us.

8. Thing is Dante cannot defeat anything without his devil arms....so your taling a load of crap and rubbish aint ya? kratos uses God weapons to kill gods, Dante uses devil arms to kill devils....thing is the Gods in GOW are far more powerful than most if not all the enemies in DMC. The Savior is the only thing that comes close to GOW characters and even that is fairly slow and its most powerful weapons are limited especially by range and speed. A blast of lightning which blasts enemies is far more powerful than ebony and ivory which cannot break human made pool balls lol....thing is Euryales head can turn Dante and his equipment to stone in one blast lol.

lol wtf, Dante was weak almost every time he was actually hit, he gets impaled with Vergils sword on several occasions...hes weak and incapaciated..pathetic, he gets blasts by Mundus shards, he falls and loses his Devil Trigger....he just cant take a hit at all. Wheras Kratos is crushed while being his weakest form as a Demi God, lost most of his power and survives tonnes of bronze smashing on top of him....

Thats not divine...thats just the saviour fireing blasts of energy, like he is more of the game, like the Sistsers of fate (3 of them) use regulary on kratos...not to mention thats gameplay which is at most a non factor lol.....stop using gameplay, its irrelvent, only the non gameplay elements are relevent for a character especially gameplay mechanics

lol when his health is low he can do that form? in gameplay

What a moronic thing to say, Dante, Mundus and most of the DMC universe would be destroyed by Hades soul ripping chains...so saying Atlas was weak by being defeated by it is a foolish thing to say at best.

Nothing states Dante can only be harmed by devil arms show me this evidence if you belive it to be true.

No dantes swords are not normal, most of them are devil spirit swords empowered by demons or otherwise, but their weak in comparison to Kratos; arsenal.
1.Give me proof of he would knock him down. Give me proof he would rip him in half.

2.Atlas was weak. And he struggles to open doors. We haven't seen Dante at his fullest if so give me proof.

3.Tartarus isn't anything bad. Oh Aparently he(Kratos)got owned again

4.I'm talking more than gameplay. Your talking gameplay. Kratos hasn't did much in cutscenes. Infact if you do count cutscenes nonething would hurt him.

5.Dante has gotten punched by Nero 20x(didn't get hurt), Got stabbed by 6 kinds of swords. Got stabbed by 6 sickles(didn't get hurt), Got punched by Beowulf, Got stabbed by Mundus' Arrows fell from a enormous height(while hit with fireballs)and didn't get hurt.

6.And he got owned by a Mortal(Charon)yeah

7.You don't have proof for what(most of the stuff)you say.

8.Krato's cant defeat shit without having the Gods help. Just like Gaia/Zeus had to help him to escape Hades. Alastor/Airraid owned Kratos. Athena stopped him from getting impaled. He can't even escape Hades w/o help.

9.Krato's was owned by a mortal. Hurt by a statue(that only thing that it was big). Killed by a wooden spear. Killed by The Blade. And would've been killed if he didn't call on Ares. Dante has gotten punched by Nero 20x(didn't get hurt), Got stabbed by 6 kinds of swords. Got stabbed by 6 sickles(didn't get hurt), Got punched by Beowulf, Got stabbed by Mundus' Arrows fell from a enormous height(while hit with fireballs)and didn't get hurt. Funny how Krato's got owned by a Mortal. Only Devil Arms can hurt Dante. Otherwise why didn't the Sickles in DMC3(Intro 1)hurt him? He was weakened because of the DEVIL ARM. And he can only die by getting his hard ripped out.

10.Gameplay. Krato's didn't stop time in gameplay. Hasn't knocked down minotaurs. Ripped enemies. Can't go ROTT. Many more.

11.WRONG. Devils in DMC have no Souls to rip out(that's why they can't cry). So they are spritual forms.

Stop using the same "gameplay" bs to defend yourself. Bullet>Kratos end of story.

Show me proof Dante can be stoned then?

Weak like The Blades(They probably wouldn't hurt him). Dante weapons would kill him in 1 hit. He would cut him in half like he did Vergil. He's a mortal he would get killed by 1 hit.

Uranus was killed with a sickle man. Mundus>Zeus>Ares. They can get impaled 1 time and die(if it's Zeus twice and he's weak). Zeus is just someone throwing bolts around. Dante slayed Odin(who can control the entire universe). It took 3 rounds to defeat Mundus. Zeus can't defeat him infact only the power of Sparda can(which why you can't use other devil arms). Mundus probably would take Zeus to the deepest parts of hell. And on Earth Zeus powers would be useless. If Zeus is all so powerful who come he was put to deepsleep in Chains of Olympus? Dante has showed us rocks, lighting, wind is nonething to him. All you keep bring up is the "gameplay" BS because that's the only thing you can say(to defend yourself). He doesn't need his Devil Arms. All he needs is Rebellion & Ebony and Ivory he doesn't go to from God-to-God to take down them. They offer give there Devil Arm he doesn't need them. Kratos does.

Gumachi
And all you keep doing is the same "gameplay" BS. You know that if is gameplay you lose. That's the only way to defend yourself. You arn't the maker of the topic and it doesn't say I can't use gameplay features. And I don't see anything in the rules about it.

Burning thought
Originally posted by Gumachi
1.Give me proof of he would knock him down. Give me proof he would rip him in half.

2.Atlas was weak. And he struggles to open doors. We haven't seen Dante at his fullest if so give me proof.

3.Tartarus isn't anything bad. Oh Aparently he(Kratos)got owned again

4.I'm talking more than gameplay. Your talking gameplay. Kratos hasn't did much in cutscenes. Infact if you do count cutscenes nonething would hurt him.

5.Dante has gotten punched by Nero 20x(didn't get hurt), Got stabbed by 6 kinds of swords. Got stabbed by 6 sickles(didn't get hurt), Got punched by Beowulf, Got stabbed by Mundus' Arrows fell from a enormous height(while hit with fireballs)and didn't get hurt.

6.And he got owned by a Mortal(Charon)yeah

7.You don't have proof for what(most of the stuff)you say.

8.Krato's cant defeat shit without having the Gods help. Just like Gaia/Zeus had to help him to escape Hades. Alastor/Airraid owned Kratos. Athena stopped him from getting impaled. He can't even escape Hades w/o help.

9.Krato's was owned by a mortal. Hurt by a statue(that only thing that it was big). Killed by a wooden spear. Killed by The Blade. And would've been killed if he didn't call on Ares. Dante has gotten punched by Nero 20x(didn't get hurt), Got stabbed by 6 kinds of swords. Got stabbed by 6 sickles(didn't get hurt), Got punched by Beowulf, Got stabbed by Mundus' Arrows fell from a enormous height(while hit with fireballs)and didn't get hurt. Funny how Krato's got owned by a Mortal. Only Devil Arms can hurt Dante. Otherwise why didn't the Sickles in DMC3(Intro 1)hurt him? He was weakened because of the DEVIL ARM. And he can only die by getting his hard ripped out.

10.Gameplay. Krato's didn't stop time in gameplay. Hasn't knocked down minotaurs. Ripped enemies. Can't go ROTT. Many more.

11.WRONG. Devils in DMC have no Souls to rip out(that's why they can't cry). So they are spritual forms.

Stop using the same "gameplay" bs to defend yourself. Bullet>Kratos end of story.

Show me proof Dante can be stoned then?

Weak like The Blades(They probably wouldn't hurt him). Dante weapons would kill him in 1 hit. He would cut him in half like he did Vergil. He's a mortal he would get killed by 1 hit.

Uranus was killed with a sickle man. Mundus>Zeus>Ares. They can get impaled 1 time and die(if it's Zeus twice and he's weak). Zeus is just someone throwing bolts around. Dante slayed Odin(who can control the entire universe). It took 3 rounds to defeat Mundus. Zeus can't defeat him infact only the power of Sparda can(which why you can't use other devil arms). Mundus probably would take Zeus to the deepest parts of hell. And on Earth Zeus powers would be useless. If Zeus is all so powerful who come he was put to deepsleep in Chains of Olympus? Dante has showed us rocks, lighting, wind is nonething to him. All you keep bring up is the "gameplay" BS because that's the only thing you can say(to defend yourself). He doesn't need his Devil Arms. All he needs is Rebellion & Ebony and Ivory he doesn't go to from God-to-God to take down them. They offer give there Devil Arm he doesn't need them. Kratos does.

1. You need proof that Kratos can rip people in half, hes ripped humans in half before, minitaurs heads off.....also your asking me to prove a negative, if you know anything about debating its YOU who has to prove Dante can survive being ripped in half, or resist it. I dont have to prove things for YOUR characters not that its even logical.

2. Atlas was weak? I read that and knew imediatley your idoicy, he can lift up the Earths crust and is several times the size of a skyscraper....and you think he is weak? lol, one punch and Mundus would be in pieces on the floor, same with most DMC characters. As i said before YOU have to prove things for YOUR characters, I dont have to prove DANTE can do something ,you do.

3. Kratos was never owned, if he was ever defeated its because of something far more than Dante has ever faced

4. I dont talk gameplay mechanics, only you have so far, you and your "he would just use royal guard because it can block everythings!", go and learn to debate then get back to me

5. Ive seen that seen and he DID get hurt, he was tossed around like a rag doll half the time then pinned to the wall with his own sword, now thats what i call owned....

6. Kratos is not owned and Charon is not a mortal by any standards...

7. Yes i do, name me one thing? I say Kratos rips Dante in half, he has done so to many characters in the GOW games, I say Kratos has greater strength...He has shown it, by lifting up the hands of statues, giants and monsters far larger than Dante. Everything ive said has evidence which according to you (since youve played GOW I hope) is obvious.

8. wtf? he had no help escaping hades, he cut his own way out, it was Zeus who put him in there...its obvious by now to everyone who reads your pathetic dribble that youve not played GOW 2.

9. Mortal kratos was hurt by a statue, that weighed tonnes, and was enormous...Dante gets punched about by an angry kid with a glowing arm then impaled by his own sword...theres a big diffrence between an angry kid...and a giant statue. BS on that, devil arms? Mundus' blasts are not devil arms so you contradict yourself there. The sickles didnt hurt him obviously because they are weak...just like how the arrows didnt harm Kratos when the mortals fired at him in his God form, does that mean nothing can kill him? no.....your talking rubbish again, nothing states only having his heart ripped out can kill Dante, nothing canon anyway. I guess the Living tribunal is doomed if he tries to use his full power on dante without getting out a puny Devil arm laughing

10. ofc he can do all those things, becuse almost all those things are not gameplay mechanics like what your using, and most of those things are explained in diffrent parts of the game as well.


A bullet wouldnt kill Kratos, the guy has survived energy blasts, hits from Zeus and much more, ebony and ivory cannot even damage snooker balls so lmao at them damaging kratos.

Thats a negative, learn to debate, I dont have to prove Dante can be stoned, I merely have to prove Kratos can turn people to stone which you know he can...thing is, YOU have to prove Dante can survive it...which from playing the games myself Know you cant, because Dante has never faced such a power.

Kratos is not a mortal, he is a Demi-god, hes a son of Zeus....furthermore him being mortal means shit, the guy can survive far more, if a statue the size of the colossus of rhodes cannot kill Kratos in his weakest form by falling on him, then a puny devil arm would prob end up breaking if it hit him.

in Greek mythology, a sickle if you know the ledgend wielded by Kronos before humans existed. Mundus would be killed by Zeus with ease by himself ,as would Argonex. wtf, impaled once? BY THE BLADE OF OLMPUS, which would prob blast Mundus into bits. Munudus is pathetic, not only is he tiny (about 15/20 meters at best) so Zeus/ares at full size would just step on Mundus but also has few real powers, a few beams and some shards, small meteors lol.....Zeus has the power of the heavens and a blade empowered with his own power and the gods.

Gameplay is a load of cr@p, you dont use gameplay in debates, only the real characters, otherwise Kratos wins, since he has unlimited continues, in DMC you can only continue as long as youve got those golden orbs, when Dante runs out of them, hes lost....gameplay is a load of rubbish. Infact in gameplay, Dante would be crushed, he cannot go DT straight away because he would need to slash Kratos multiple times, wheras Kratos would just need to O command and a quick button sequence and instant kill Dante.

Burning thought
Originally posted by Gumachi
Play Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne(The III I think)

lol The Savior would do his blast attack and kill Zeus(and Savior outside armor can't hit him). Mundus>Ares. Mundus can't be killed.


If you play Shin Megami Tensei: Noctrune he killed all of those Gods.

He can only travel back in time. Dante can stop time in 3 ways.

Well ime sorry but read the rules to the forum, you need to read the rules, you cannot use any evidence thats uncanon for your character, or any evidence that is not from the game Dante originates in, which is DMC...so what he did in Shin Megami is irrelvent.

Savior would kill Zues? even if Zeus stood there for 5 mins while Savior took his ridiculously long recharge time to fight Zeus, Zeus wouldnt be killed, that blast has no real feats, Saviour would be smashed into rubble.

Mundus lol, Munudus is pathetic, and nothing says Munudus cant be killed, only its shown and implied DANTE cannot kill Mundus.

Travelling through time is more impressive, not to mention it has no limit, Dante is out of juice in like 5 seconds, he cant even Devil trigger after that because it uses the same power. So he can either be in his weak @ss human form and stop time OR go DT and be helpless to Kratos; own time powers.

Originally posted by Gumachi
Play Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne and he slayed Titans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZCuDmLnZ0A Dante kills Lucifer.


He can only do that IF he's in the mirror http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZKoGndHzXw It's slow? He killed Argosax with Jackpot(even though he didn't say it). Where does it say Krato's can slow down time w/o a Fate's statue? Gorgon flash? He can protect himself with Cerberus Ice Protecter/Nevan Bats Protecter/RoyalGuard/Dreadnought Armor. If he can even be stoned. So yeah there's my proof before you babble something else. Sparda Cannon Krato's no more. And if he does get beat down he can still go DT. Infact The Blade wouldn't hurt him physically. And who said Dante had to be up on him? It's not like Dante would let Krato's impale him. And Gorgon's can't stone strong people.

Krato's doesn't kill any fiery dogs. Only Cerberus. Weak? No

As i said above, not only is it uncanon but its also not from the DMC game which is only relevent according to the rules:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f85/t462424.html



Prove it was Jackpot, nothing says it was...

How can bats protect him from a instant beam that turns him to stone? lol...it cannot same with a wall of ice, not ot mention thats slower than kratos' beam. And thats not proof, ive played DMC 1-4 so I know theres no proof he has any resistance to stone, hes never been turned to stone nad no one ever has tried, therefore he has no resistance.

Gorgans cant stone strong people? Dante isnt strong then since hes had no evidence of that...

Play GOW 2, theres little dogs that explode, similiar to the DMC 4 enemies that breathe fireballs.

Gumachi
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. You need proof that Kratos can rip people in half, hes ripped humans in half before, minitaurs heads off.....also your asking me to prove a negative, if you know anything about debating its YOU who has to prove Dante can survive being ripped in half, or resist it. I dont have to prove things for YOUR characters not that its even logical.

2. Atlas was weak? I read that and knew imediatley your idoicy, he can lift up the Earths crust and is several times the size of a skyscraper....and you think he is weak? lol, one punch and Mundus would be in pieces on the floor, same with most DMC characters. As i said before YOU have to prove things for YOUR characters, I dont have to prove DANTE can do something ,you do.

3. Kratos was never owned, if he was ever defeated its because of something far more than Dante has ever faced

4. I dont talk gameplay mechanics, only you have so far, you and your "he would just use royal guard because it can block everythings!", go and learn to debate then get back to me

5. Ive seen that seen and he DID get hurt, he was tossed around like a rag doll half the time then pinned to the wall with his own sword, now thats what i call owned....

6. Kratos is not owned and Charon is not a mortal by any standards...

7. Yes i do, name me one thing? I say Kratos rips Dante in half, he has done so to many characters in the GOW games, I say Kratos has greater strength...He has shown it, by lifting up the hands of statues, giants and monsters far larger than Dante. Everything ive said has evidence which according to you (since youve played GOW I hope) is obvious.

8. wtf? he had no help escaping hades, he cut his own way out, it was Zeus who put him in there...its obvious by now to everyone who reads your pathetic dribble that youve not played GOW 2.

9. Mortal kratos was hurt by a statue, that weighed tonnes, and was enormous...Dante gets punched about by an angry kid with a glowing arm then impaled by his own sword...theres a big diffrence between an angry kid...and a giant statue. BS on that, devil arms? Mundus' blasts are not devil arms so you contradict yourself there. The sickles didnt hurt him obviously because they are weak...just like how the arrows didnt harm Kratos when the mortals fired at him in his God form, does that mean nothing can kill him? no.....your talking rubbish again, nothing states only having his heart ripped out can kill Dante, nothing canon anyway. I guess the Living tribunal is doomed if he tries to use his full power on dante without getting out a puny Devil arm laughing

10. ofc he can do all those things, becuse almost all those things are not gameplay mechanics like what your using, and most of those things are explained in diffrent parts of the game as well.


A bullet wouldnt kill Kratos, the guy has survived energy blasts, hits from Zeus and much more, ebony and ivory cannot even damage snooker balls so lmao at them damaging kratos.

Thats a negative, learn to debate, I dont have to prove Dante can be stoned, I merely have to prove Kratos can turn people to stone which you know he can...thing is, YOU have to prove Dante can survive it...which from playing the games myself Know you cant, because Dante has never faced such a power.

Kratos is not a mortal, he is a Demi-god, hes a son of Zeus....furthermore him being mortal means shit, the guy can survive far more, if a statue the size of the colossus of rhodes cannot kill Kratos in his weakest form by falling on him, then a puny devil arm would prob end up breaking if it hit him.

in Greek mythology, a sickle if you know the ledgend wielded by Kronos before humans existed. Mundus would be killed by Zeus with ease by himself ,as would Argonex. wtf, impaled once? BY THE BLADE OF OLMPUS, which would prob blast Mundus into bits. Munudus is pathetic, not only is he tiny (about 15/20 meters at best) so Zeus/ares at full size would just step on Mundus but also has few real powers, a few beams and some shards, small meteors lol.....Zeus has the power of the heavens and a blade empowered with his own power and the gods.

Gameplay is a load of cr@p, you dont use gameplay in debates, only the real characters, otherwise Kratos wins, since he has unlimited continues, in DMC you can only continue as long as youve got those golden orbs, when Dante runs out of them, hes lost....gameplay is a load of rubbish. Infact in gameplay, Dante would be crushed, he cannot go DT straight away because he would need to slash Kratos multiple times, wheras Kratos would just need to O command and a quick button sequence and instant kill Dante.

1.He has only ripped undead solider(rotting carcase). Who me where he has ripped a fully human.

2.He was weak when Hades' ripped out his soul. I never said it was Mundus vs Atlas.

3.He got owned by Ares. He got owned by Zeus. He got owned by the Barbarian. He got owned by Charon.

4.Okay since when did he knock down minotaurs, rip enemies in half, slow down time, etc in cut scenes?

5.He got owned by Ares. He got owned by Zeus. He got owned by the Barbarian. He got owned by Charon.

6.Whover dumped him in Tartarus they owned him

7.Proof? I say bullet kills Kratos.

8.He had Gaia's help escaping Hades. Because Gaia healed him. Just like he wouldn't have escaped if Zeus didn't dig that hole. And Zeus didn't put him there the souls reached and grabbed him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgOEE3CuSOs

9.He's a Demigod but can get hurt by a piece of metal lmao. Mundus Arrows are from King of Demons himself. Since when did he get shot by Arrows in a cutscene? Mortal things can kill Kratos. IF he's such a badass why did he have to beg Ares to destroy his enemies and give his soul to him?

10.WHAT?!

11.Once again your talking gameplay(give me proof he got shot with the blade in a cutscene). He is a Mortal and Mortal things kill him.

12.Hyprocrite. But I need proof? Dante is stronger than Kratos. And besides he can't stop it if he goes DT or uses his magical shields.

13.Lie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp73t-ZvFQQ @3:58 Gaia says he's Mortal

14.Just like he got killed with The Blade? Or when the hammer was about to kill him? Dante has taken more pain(and hasn't died). He still was weak regardless.

15.Step on? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LghW79GQRwo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzydMLP4Fjw there not big as Titans. Only power of Sparda can kill him

16.Both can continue Gameplay once again. Sparda Cannon. Kratos is slow as hell to even touch him.

Burning thought
Originally posted by Gumachi
1.He has only ripped undead solider(rotting carcase). Who me where he has ripped a fully human.

2.He was weak when Hades' ripped out his soul. I never said it was Mundus vs Atlas.

3.He got owned by Ares. He got owned by Zeus. He got owned by the Barbarian. He got owned by Charon.

4.Okay since when did he knock down minotaurs, rip enemies in half, slow down time, etc in cut scenes?

5.He got owned by Ares. He got owned by Zeus. He got owned by the Barbarian. He got owned by Charon.

6.Whover dumped him in Tartarus they owned him

7.Proof? I say bullet kills Kratos.

8.He had Gaia's help escaping Hades. Because Gaia healed him. Just like he wouldn't have escaped if Zeus didn't dig that hole. And Zeus didn't put him there the souls reached and grabbed him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgOEE3CuSOs

9.He's a Demigod but can get hurt by a piece of metal lmao. Mundus Arrows are from King of Demons himself. Since when did he get shot by Arrows in a cutscene? Mortal things can kill Kratos. IF he's such a badass why did he have to beg Ares to destroy his enemies and give his soul to him?

10.WHAT?!

11.Once again your talking gameplay(give me proof he got shot with the blade in a cutscene). He is a Mortal and Mortal things kill him.

12.Hyprocrite. But I need proof? Dante is stronger than Kratos. And besides he can't stop it if he goes DT or uses his magical shields.

13.Lie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp73t-ZvFQQ @3:58 Gaia says he's Mortal

14.Just like he got killed with The Blade? Or when the hammer was about to kill him? Dante has taken more pain(and hasn't died). He still was weak regardless.

15.Step on? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LghW79GQRwo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzydMLP4Fjw there not big as Titans. Only power of Sparda can kill him

16.Both can continue Gameplay once again. Sparda Cannon. Kratos is slow as hell to even touch him.

1. A skeletal body can be just as tough to rip as a living one, he also ripped a human in half at the beginning of GOW 1 on the boat, he can rip in half the fleeing civilians for health.

2. How is that weak? he was as strong as always, the fact just so happens that soul ripping is a powerful feat.

3. Thats not getting owned really, me stepping on ant doesnt mean the ant is "owned", he was simply impaled by the most powerful of greek gods with the most powerful weapon. He was at a major disadvantage. The same would have happened to Dante.

4.. He smashed the jew and pulled down the Hydra in a cutscene. Also its not ONLYcutscenes that are important but more non-character controlled, non gameplay mechanics, things players cannot change, for example the way you kill minataurs is always the same. Thing is weve seen more impressive things in cutscenes, like the way he lifts some of the stone contraptions in GOW 2, or how he doesnt get splattered or smeared across the ground when the Colossus' hand smashes down on him.

5. no

6. same as above

7. Ive explained that 100 times, surviving hand of colossus>>>bullets, surviving lightning from Zeus>>>Bullets etc

8. Gaia healing him altho i dont even remember her healing him, only speaking to ihm but regardless, that doesnt help him escape Hades does it....he still pulled his own way out of the pit. Zeus dug no hole, the hands made the hole. Zeus is the one who killed him so technically, Zeus put him in hades.

9. yeh, because Demi-God is a title, same as Demon, emperor, Devil, God, their titles, they dont mean anything, a God can be killed by a pistol in a fiction if the person so wishes it to be. King of demons lol, thats another title, your obviously a very young debator, title mean nothing. Because he was hopelessly outnumbered and THEN he was without any power.

10. yeh gameplay mechanics dont count thats what.

11. Same as above ,gameplay mechanics dont count and ive proven kratos' endurance

12. hypocrite? how so.....your asking me to prove something for YOUR character, your being a fool....then you now go on licking Dantes ass and saying how hes so much more powerfulz!!!, go and learn to debate kid...

13. Then Gaia obviously doesnt know Kratos is a Demi-God=

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DT77KlL21_I

DT77KlL21_I

at 2:08 Zeus says Kratos is his son.


14. Dantes taken nothing more than a few impalements, each one usually leaving him pinned and incapaicated and in agony.

15. Their enormous....

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=628dmbZ5BoY

2:32, they would step on Mundus lol, whos a measly pathetic thing. Nothing says only Sparda can kill Mundus your useless at debating.

16. How? dante needs golden orbs to continue, which there are limited amount, Kratos has unlimited lives. Sparda cannon? when does Dante do that? and no, if were using gameplay like you seem to badly want to, Kratos isnt that much slower than Dante in gameplay at all, infact when Kratos gets going with his combos their often faster than Dantes and are less likely to leave him open.

Gumachi
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. A skeletal body can be just as tough to rip as a living one, he also ripped a human in half at the beginning of GOW 1 on the boat, he can rip in half the fleeing civilians for health.

2. How is that weak? he was as strong as always, the fact just so happens that soul ripping is a powerful feat.

3. Thats not getting owned really, me stepping on ant doesnt mean the ant is "owned", he was simply impaled by the most powerful of greek gods with the most powerful weapon. He was at a major disadvantage. The same would have happened to Dante.

4.. He smashed the jew and pulled down the Hydra in a cutscene. Also its not ONLYcutscenes that are important but more non-character controlled, non gameplay mechanics, things players cannot change, for example the way you kill minataurs is always the same. Thing is weve seen more impressive things in cutscenes, like the way he lifts some of the stone contraptions in GOW 2, or how he doesnt get splattered or smeared across the ground when the Colossus' hand smashes down on him.

5. no

6. same as above

7. Ive explained that 100 times, surviving hand of colossus>>>bullets, surviving lightning from Zeus>>>Bullets etc

8. Gaia healing him altho i dont even remember her healing him, only speaking to ihm but regardless, that doesnt help him escape Hades does it....he still pulled his own way out of the pit. Zeus dug no hole, the hands made the hole. Zeus is the one who killed him so technically, Zeus put him in hades.

9. yeh, because Demi-God is a title, same as Demon, emperor, Devil, God, their titles, they dont mean anything, a God can be killed by a pistol in a fiction if the person so wishes it to be. King of demons lol, thats another title, your obviously a very young debator, title mean nothing. Because he was hopelessly outnumbered and THEN he was without any power.

10. yeh gameplay mechanics dont count thats what.

11. Same as above ,gameplay mechanics dont count and ive proven kratos' endurance

12. hypocrite? how so.....your asking me to prove something for YOUR character, your being a fool....then you now go on licking Dantes ass and saying how hes so much more powerfulz!!!, go and learn to debate kid...

13. Then Gaia obviously doesnt know Kratos is a Demi-God=

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DT77KlL21_I

DT77KlL21_I

at 2:08 Zeus says Kratos is his son.


14. Dantes taken nothing more than a few impalements, each one usually leaving him pinned and incapaicated and in agony.

15. Their enormous....

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=628dmbZ5BoY

2:32, they would step on Mundus lol, whos a measly pathetic thing. Nothing says only Sparda can kill Mundus your useless at debating.

16. How? dante needs golden orbs to continue, which there are limited amount, Kratos has unlimited lives. Sparda cannon? when does Dante do that? and no, if were using gameplay like you seem to badly want to, Kratos isnt that much slower than Dante in gameplay at all, infact when Kratos gets going with his combos their often faster than Dantes and are less likely to leave him open.

1.Just sticks the blade in them about 2-3 times.

2.Krato's has to depend on Brute Force

3.There you go. He was most powerful of GREEK GODS. Dante no it wouldn't hurt him physically

4.True

5.Yes

6.Yes

7.Just lighting isn't that much. And Dante was shocked by lighting and didn't get hurt. Maybe so but Dante has Demon Power Enhanced inside. Eventually he will bring him down.

8.She did. He wouldn't have escaped with a bigass hole thru his body O_o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgOEE3CuSOs

9.King of Olympus--another title. Aparently =\

10.Meh

11.Endurance is about the same. I say Durability because he can take slighty more damage than Kratos(cutscenes).

12.Like how your kissing Krato's ass?

13.Gaia is MotherEarth and knows all. And Krato's can die like "demigods"(Perseus and Theseus) Thesesus=Son of Poseidon Perseus=Son of Zeus.

14.If he could push it back he would be healed instantly(when it hit him). I don't think it would hurt him but that's my opinion your probably right it might hurt Dante. But I just don't think it would

15.Hell no. Step on? No. Well why couldn't I hurt Mundus with Ifrit/Alastor and I had to use Sparda's Sword? As far as we saw he has. All Zeus did was throw bolts. Was running from Kratos. Had to get 5 Gods to take down 1 Mortal. Mundus made a demention by flapping his wings. Took 3 wounds to finish him. And he was weakened on the 3rd round. Would be a good fight though. No offence but in Greek Myth. Zeus was gay. And Zeus(and other Olympians was put to sleep)

15.Not really he can continue. Krato's can continue from a checkpoint. Combos? He's to slow to even hit him. Krato's can't stab someone 1,000,000 times Krato's isn't this fast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oOoqPaQBmo. Let's show how many times they can continue if I turn my PS2 off XD. Dante just has the upperhand and more weapons. Don't get my wrong I like Kratos ALOT(kinda more than Dante). But I just find Dante has the upper hand.

And SMT was kinda like a sequel to DMC2.

And if Krato's "Time Powers" were that powerful he wouldn't have allowed Zeus to escape.

WTF did you post the link to a vid like that?

Gumachi
"Persephone tells Kratos that Calliope is in the fields of Elysium and that the only way to see her again is for Kratos to "release" all of his past evils and become worthy of Elysium, giving up his powers given to him by the gods; however, Persephone warns him that the world will suffer for his choice. After transferring his power into the Forsaken Tree, which included all of his weapons, his magic and relics, Kratos regains his humanity, becoming a normal man and being reunited with his daughter. In this form, Kratos loses his trademark red tattoo and bleached white skin, becoming a normal man once more. However, Persephone appears: she taunts and mocks Kratos' choice and reveals to him her true plans"

Burning thought
Originally posted by Gumachi
1.Just sticks the blade in them about 2-3 times.

2.Krato's has to depend on Brute Force

3.There you go. He was most powerful of GREEK GODS. Dante no it wouldn't hurt him physically


7.Just lighting isn't that much. And Dante was shocked by lighting and didn't get hurt

8.She did. He wouldn't have escaped with a bigass hole thru his body O_o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgOEE3CuSOs

9.King of Olympus--another title. Aparently =\

10.Meh

11.Endurance is about the same. I say Durability because he can take slighty more damage than Kratos(cutscenes).

12.Like how your kissing Krato's ass?

13.Gaia is MotherEarth and knows all. And Krato's can die like "demigods"(Perseus and Theseus) Thesesus=Son of Poseidon Perseus=Son of Zeus.

14.If he could push it back he would be healed instantly(when it hit him). I don't think it would hurt him but that's my opinion your probably right it might hurt Dante. But I just don't think it would

15.Hell no. Step on? No. Well why couldn't I hurt Mundus with Ifrit/Alastor and I had to use Sparda's Sword? As far as we saw he has. All Zeus did was throw bolts. Was running from Kratos. Had to get 5 Gods to take down 1 Mortal. Mundus made a demention by flapping his wings. Took 3 wounds to finish him. And he was weakened on the 3rd round. Would be a good fight though. No offence but in Greek Myth. Zeus was gay

15.Not really he can continue. Krato's can continue from a checkpoint. Combos? He's to slow to even hit him. Krato's can't stab someone 1,000,000 times Krato's isn't this fast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oOoqPaQBmo. Let's show how many times they can continue if I turn my PS2 off XD. Dante just has the upperhand and more weapons. Don't get my wrong I like Kratos ALOT(kinda more than Dante). But I just find Dante has the upper hand.

And SMT was kinda like a sequel to DMC2.

And if Krato's "Time Powers" were that powerful he wouldn't have allowed Zeus to escape.

WTF did you post the link to a vid like that?

1. If you press circle on one of the fleeing peasants he rips them in half

2. He has other powers but brute force works, why not? not that this is an answer to my point...

3. yeh Greek gods, he was incredibly powerful, far beyond Dantes canon opponents like Mundus, wouldnt hurt Dante? lmao....how would the Blade of Olmypus not hurt dante when Zeus used to to splatter an entire army of Spartans? Dante has terrible durability.

7. What lightning? lightning from whom?

8.

9. It is another title, what isnt a title however is his massive 100 meter tall @ss wilding a sword that can wipe out armies in a swing....whats Munudus done thats comparable to that?

10. yh

11. Nowhere near the same, Kratos is far greater, as i said 1000 times, a massive statue weighing tonnes smashing down on him didnt kill him, dante is badly wounded and unable to move for a while after being impaled by a tiny sword.

12. not at all, ime debating for Kratos by giving relevent videos for my points and by not using gameplay.

13. Yeh he can die, and so can Dante, just the same, only thing is Kratos is far more powerful and more endurant so Dante would die first.

14. You just wont think it would? thats out of pure blind fanboyism though really isnt it, you dont have a reason other than your love for Dante? Dante has not endured such power, the blade of Olympus for example is so vast and large it could cut him in half in one swing with ease, and it WOULD pierce him, its shown far more power than Yamato.

15. in the second round you can harm Munudus with ebony and ivory, you can harm him with most weapons if you try...but thats all gameplay, gameplay mechanics, when your actually playing the game Munudus doesnt just fire his 3 shards into you at the beginning, the game lets you play against him for a while so that its a fun game...but what happens in the gameplay mechanics are little relevence, whenever a character is hit in the actual gameplay it doesnt mean anything.

Zeus ran from Kratos? that was only at the end, after Kratos tricked him, throughout Zeus was mostly dominating before then, Zeus is far larger nad more powerful than Mundus, if Dante had to fight Zeus, Dante wouldnt have a chance. And he didnt make a dimension at all, he simply uncovered the illusion, if he could make dimensions he wouldnt be bothered about the human world at all, he would make his own but obviously he cannot, nothing states he can make dimensions.

Zeus could literally crush Munudus in his hands and then stamp on him, give Zeus his sword and he would tear Munudus apart, whether Zeus is gay or not it doesnt matter, if he was gay, he would bum rape Munudus first then crush him....

16. No he cannot, but you said we were talking gameplay, so technically that is irrelvent, unless you want to go back to talking real characters? in which case Kratos would have to use a combo of time powers and his large area hitting attacks to stop Dante. As i said before, most of his attacks could slow Dante to a crawl or stun him long enough for the incredibly fast stone powers to take effect.

he only let Zeus escape because the games plot wanted him to, and because of stupid Athena and the moment he spent holding her.

what do you mean? the vid is relevent, it shows Kratos and Zeus.

Burning thought
Originally posted by Gumachi
"Persephone tells Kratos that Calliope is in the fields of Elysium and that the only way to see her again is for Kratos to "release" all of his past evils and become worthy of Elysium, giving up his powers given to him by the gods; however, Persephone warns him that the world will suffer for his choice. After transferring his power into the Forsaken Tree, which included all of his weapons, his magic and relics, Kratos regains his humanity, becoming a normal man and being reunited with his daughter. In this form, Kratos loses his trademark red tattoo and bleached white skin, becoming a normal man once more. However, Persephone appears: she taunts and mocks Kratos' choice and reveals to him her true plans"

But thats not current kratos, current Kratos had become a true God, Chains of Olympus happens before GOW 2

Wil Deidara
^and gow1

Burning thought
is it? I didnt realise, either way it was certainly before the time were speaking of, so its not really relevent.

Gumachi
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. If you press circle on one of the fleeing peasants he rips them in half

2. He has other powers but brute force works, why not? not that this is an answer to my point...

3. yeh Greek gods, he was incredibly powerful, far beyond Dantes canon opponents like Mundus, wouldnt hurt Dante? lmao....how would the Blade of Olmypus not hurt dante when Zeus used to to splatter an entire army of Spartans? Dante has terrible durability.

7. What lightning? lightning from whom?

8.

9. It is another title, what isnt a title however is his massive 100 meter tall @ss wilding a sword that can wipe out armies in a swing....whats Munudus done thats comparable to that?

10. yh

11. Nowhere near the same, Kratos is far greater, as i said 1000 times, a massive statue weighing tonnes smashing down on him didnt kill him, dante is badly wounded and unable to move for a while after being impaled by a tiny sword.

12. not at all, ime debating for Kratos by giving relevent videos for my points and by not using gameplay.

13. Yeh he can die, and so can Dante, just the same, only thing is Kratos is far more powerful and more endurant so Dante would die first.

14. You just wont think it would? thats out of pure blind fanboyism though really isnt it, you dont have a reason other than your love for Dante? Dante has not endured such power, the blade of Olympus for example is so vast and large it could cut him in half in one swing with ease, and it WOULD pierce him, its shown far more power than Yamato.

15. in the second round you can harm Munudus with ebony and ivory, you can harm him with most weapons if you try...but thats all gameplay, gameplay mechanics, when your actually playing the game Munudus doesnt just fire his 3 shards into you at the beginning, the game lets you play against him for a while so that its a fun game...but what happens in the gameplay mechanics are little relevence, whenever a character is hit in the actual gameplay it doesnt mean anything.

Zeus ran from Kratos? that was only at the end, after Kratos tricked him, throughout Zeus was mostly dominating before then, Zeus is far larger nad more powerful than Mundus, if Dante had to fight Zeus, Dante wouldnt have a chance. And he didnt make a dimension at all, he simply uncovered the illusion, if he could make dimensions he wouldnt be bothered about the human world at all, he would make his own but obviously he cannot, nothing states he can make dimensions.

Zeus could literally crush Munudus in his hands and then stamp on him, give Zeus his sword and he would tear Munudus apart, whether Zeus is gay or not it doesnt matter, if he was gay, he would bum rape Munudus first then crush him....

16. No he cannot, but you said we were talking gameplay, so technically that is irrelvent, unless you want to go back to talking real characters? in which case Kratos would have to use a combo of time powers and his large area hitting attacks to stop Dante. As i said before, most of his attacks could slow Dante to a crawl or stun him long enough for the incredibly fast stone powers to take effect.

he only let Zeus escape because the games plot wanted him to, and because of stupid Athena and the moment he spent holding her.

what do you mean? the vid is relevent, it shows Kratos and Zeus.

1.Gameplay

2.So? Just because it does it in GOW universe. Doesn't mean it will in DMC universe. Besides they were humans.

3.When he gets shocked in DMC1. And when Trish shocks in DMC1(and stabs him with Force Edge)

4.It's not like he destroyed them with his hand. The sword did the killing(power of it). Doesn't mean he can't beat Zeus.

5.?

6.It's Yamato--Devil Arm. Sparda's Sword. A Sword that can cut thru anything. The only sword to hurt him. So pay attention. It's not how small it is but the power.

7.Most of what I say isn't gameplay.

8.He hasn't died yet. Kratos has twice.

9.Show me it could. Athena was a Goddess. If this is DMC2 Dante he would just laugh. Maybe DMC3 it would kill him. And that's IF Dante wants to get stabbed.

10.E&I have Magic/Demon Bullets. He was weakened in the 3rd round.

11.So? He still ran from a Mortal. And had to get 5 other Gods to take down a Mortal. He made a demention. If Krato's powers was that GREAT Zeus wouldn't have escaped then.

12.Ripe him no. Mundus has creates people like Kratos. Mundus would just laugh(since his powers are useless in the underworld)and his him with his arrows and kill him with the beam. How can you rip a spirit in half? Why didn't he just rip/step on Kratos then? And Zeus' Bolts was not that strong. I mean it didn't even kill that Mortal(who Krato's accidently killed and he had to fight the Kraken).

13.He's too fast. And Dante can teleport your forgetting. He's to slow to even hit Dante.

14.Well it must not be that powerful he wouldn't have let Zeus escape.

How you just posted the vid. w/o using the link.

Gumachi
Originally posted by Burning thought
But thats not current kratos, current Kratos had become a true God, Chains of Olympus happens before GOW 2

Yeah because Athena MADE him a God. All he did was take Ares' Throne(as it seemed). Because why didn't he just burn all the solider's attacking greece? Either way he was a normal human(as it seemed). So he must've not been born with his powers.

Burning thought
Originally posted by Gumachi
1.Gameplay

2.So? Just because it does it in GOW universe. Doesn't mean it will in DMC universe. Besides they were humans.

3.When he gets shocked in DMC1. And when Trish shocks in DMC1(and stabs him with Force Edge)

4.It's not like he destroyed them with his hand. The sword did the killing(power of it). Doesn't mean he can't beat Zeus.

5.?

6.It's Yamato--Devil Arm. Sparda's Sword. A Sword that can cut thru anything. The only sword to hurt him. So pay attention. It's not how small it is but the power.

7.Most of what I say isn't gameplay.

8.He hasn't died yet. Kratos has twice.

9.Show me it could. Athena was a Goddess. If this is DMC2 Dante he would just laugh. Maybe DMC3 it would kill him. And that's IF Dante wants to get stabbed.

10.E&I have Magic/Demon Bullets. He was weakened in the 3rd round.

11.So? He still ran from a Mortal. And had to get 5 other Gods to take down a Mortal. He made a demention. If Krato's powers was that GREAT Zeus wouldn't have escaped then.

12.Ripe him no. Mundus has creates people like Kratos. Mundus would just laugh(since his powers are useless in the underworld)and his him with his arrows and kill him with the beam.

13.He's too fast. And Dante can teleport your forgetting. He's to slow to even hit Dante.

14.Well it must not be that powerful he wouldn't have let Zeus escape.
1. But not a gameplay mechanic, theres a diffrence, Gameplay mechanics are a big NO, gameplay that are irrelvent to balance are however allowed ,for example Dante only uses some of his combos in gameplay, but their allowed because their nothing to do with balance or mechanics, wheras in a debate, saying Dante can survive 100 slashes from demons just because his HP bar doesnt go down fast is gameplay mechanics nad is not debatable.

2. ofc it will, brutality from Kratos would work in many universes

3. Show me please, unless your talking about gameplay.

4. yeh it does, if hes never done anything worthy, then he couldnt beat Zeus who has...

5. irrelvent

6. Yamato has done nothing, thats the thing, and it cant cut through everything otherwise he could have cut through Mundus, the Blade of Olmypus is far more powerful and impressive.

7. yes it is, not long ago you went on about gameplay combos and showed videos of the saviour shooting Dante in gameplay...

8. yet returned every time, often stronger than ever before....Dante on the other hand hasnt faced all the threats kratos has, Dante couldnt complete God of War 2, he would be killed off by Titans or Zeus.

9. Show you the blade of Olmypus can wipe out Dante? ive shown you in the last video its power, compare that to the zero feats youve shown of Dantes endurance and youve got Dante cleaved in two....

10. Its the same in the 2nd round, you can shoot him with E&I, rocket launcher, nightmare etc, they all damage Mundus.

11. A demi-God, ive proven that already with words from Zeus' mouth himself. nothing says Mundus made a dimension.

12. Munudus has no endurance feats so who are you to say Zeus who has destroyed many, is like a giant compared to Munudus couldnt just crush him? Mundus has no chance....kill zeus with his beam? dont make me laugh, its the size of a little thing compared to full size Zeus, he would just step on Mundus or crush his head between his fingers, splat!

13. Dante is not, in gameplay definaltey not, outside of it, Kratos can slow him down using all kinds of abilities such as Atlas quake and Kronos rage which would blast him, then Kratos would use gorgan stare and stone him.

14. As I said, he was preocupied, he didnt just let Zeus escape, he was doing something while Zeus escaped....technically you shoudl be asking the game developers these questions, not me, why didnt Kratos simply decide to go back in time and kill Zeus rather than going back to the Titans....but obviously...they wanted another plot...

First_Tsurugi06
Originally posted by Burning thought
Kratos has only the power now to slow/freeze time with the piece he gained from the sisters, his ability to travel through time was lost after the temple of the fates was destroyed.

That's actually wrong. Kratos had visibly used time travel without the Loom Chamber when bringing the Titans to his time. The Loom Chamber's status has nothing to do with his time powers.

Burning thought
ofcourse it does, and no, he visibly travled through time, not actuall used time travel then and there...he could have altered the threads of fate so that he could travel there and bring the titans where he wanted them, nothing said or shown imediatley indicates he can travel through time on a whim nor would it make sense, where did he get that power? pulling threads and jumping through a mirror? if so, then why didnt he did it after killing Athena? he had to go back to the loom chamber...

First_Tsurugi06
Originally posted by Burning thought
ofcourse it does, and no, he visibly travled through time, not actuall used time travel then and there...he could have altered the threads of fate so that he could travel there and bring the titans where he wanted them, nothing said or shown imediatley indicates he can travel through time on a whim nor would it make sense, where did he get that power? pulling threads and jumping through a mirror? if so, then why didnt he did it after killing Athena? he had to go back to the loom chamber...

He only used the threads to alter HIS OWN fate. Secondly, there was no chance that he could have used the Loom Chamber to bring the Titans back. Not only did he clearly use the same power to leave as he did to enter, but the Titan are just plain to friggin big to fit into the chamber, and have no shown power to increase or decrease in size like the Gods (in the actual Greek mythology, the Titans had used mountains as their thrones). What's unknown is if he can alter other's fates without the loom chamber, what is shown is that time travel is not restricted to the Loom Chamber. If it took the Loom chamber to bring the Titans back, then it would've implied him using it. Using it the second time was for, if anything, gameplay. Also, just because he was visibly distraught at accidentally killing Athena in no way justifies the necessity to alter fate to keep her alive. Thinking that is the same as thinking Kratos not gong back to prevent his family's death was a plot hole; not only is it nothing of the sort, but it's not Kratos' main motive either. He said it himself as well: "If all on Olympus will deny me my vengance, then all on Olympus will die...!" Athena sacrificed herself solely to let Zeus escape.

Burning thought
He altered the titans fates by bringing them away from their field of destruction. Ofcourse he could have used the Loom chamber, the threads hold the fate of even the titans, and they wouldnt have had to go into the chamber if hed only changed their fates so that they would disapear and appear in the future rather than be hit by Zeus blast.

the things that make it obvious to me that it was the loom chamber and not his own power is the following:

-nothing happened to him to gain the power, when he gained the power of Kronos, it was obvious the titan gave it to him, same with the gods in GOW 1, however this time nothing happened, nothing implies he gained the innate power to travel time on a whim

-He went back to the loom chamber to reach the battle of the Titans in the first place, if he could simply travel time by himself that event would never have happened, he had to go back to the loom chamber still....

-all the resources to alter other beings fates are in the loom chamber, theres no reason that he couldnt have done it in the story and it makes more sense than him randomly apprently having time traveling abilities by himself despite already going back to the chamber once again after defeating but not killing Zeus.

-the only fact we know is that Kratos can return to the chamber by his own power but nothing implies he can use its services while not being in it since he had to return to it to actually get to the Titans, it seems obvious to me that he changed their fates in the chamber as well.

Gumachi
He can only use it IF he's inside the mirrior.

He can't do it while outside.

Didn't you hear Gaia when she said there power resides in these great mirrors?

Gumachi
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. But not a gameplay mechanic, theres a diffrence, Gameplay mechanics are a big NO, gameplay that are irrelvent to balance are however allowed ,for example Dante only uses some of his combos in gameplay, but their allowed because their nothing to do with balance or mechanics, wheras in a debate, saying Dante can survive 100 slashes from demons just because his HP bar doesnt go down fast is gameplay mechanics nad is not debatable.

2. ofc it will, brutality from Kratos would work in many universes

3. Show me please, unless your talking about gameplay.

4. yeh it does, if hes never done anything worthy, then he couldnt beat Zeus who has...

5. irrelvent

6. Yamato has done nothing, thats the thing, and it cant cut through everything otherwise he could have cut through Mundus, the Blade of Olmypus is far more powerful and impressive.

7. yes it is, not long ago you went on about gameplay combos and showed videos of the saviour shooting Dante in gameplay...

8. yet returned every time, often stronger than ever before....Dante on the other hand hasnt faced all the threats kratos has, Dante couldnt complete God of War 2, he would be killed off by Titans or Zeus.

9. Show you the blade of Olmypus can wipe out Dante? ive shown you in the last video its power, compare that to the zero feats youve shown of Dantes endurance and youve got Dante cleaved in two....

10. Its the same in the 2nd round, you can shoot him with E&I, rocket launcher, nightmare etc, they all damage Mundus.

11. A demi-God, ive proven that already with words from Zeus' mouth himself. nothing says Mundus made a dimension.

12. Munudus has no endurance feats so who are you to say Zeus who has destroyed many, is like a giant compared to Munudus couldnt just crush him? Mundus has no chance....kill zeus with his beam? dont make me laugh, its the size of a little thing compared to full size Zeus, he would just step on Mundus or crush his head between his fingers, splat!

13. Dante is not, in gameplay definaltey not, outside of it, Kratos can slow him down using all kinds of abilities such as Atlas quake and Kronos rage which would blast him, then Kratos would use gorgan stare and stone him.

14. As I said, he was preocupied, he didnt just let Zeus escape, he was doing something while Zeus escaped....technically you shoudl be asking the game developers these questions, not me, why didnt Kratos simply decide to go back in time and kill Zeus rather than going back to the Titans....but obviously...they wanted another plot...

1.Okay we

2.I was talking about The Blade I didn't mean anything about Kratos.

3.Look at intro 1 in DMC1. And when you have to get Pride of Lion he gets shocked(I guess it's a cutscene)

4.He has beaten people more powerful than Zeus(all he does is throwing lighting around)

5.

6.Yamato wasn't in DMC1. You haven't played DMC. And Yamato can cut thru dementions. And Yamato can cut thru ANYTHING(in DMC3-Yamato Info)

7.He defeated Savior(not in gameplay by stacking 5 bullets on eachother)

8.Krato's hasn't defeated any Titans or even Zeus. Actually he has slayed Titans--look at SMT(Sequel to DMC2).

9.That isn't proof. Dante isn't a human. The Blade wouldn't hurt him he would just laugh(atleast DMC2 Dante).

10.Your point? Dante's forges Demon Power inside. Rocks hurt Zeus.

11.Nonething says Krato's is a Demigod. All she said he was the son of Zeus she didn't say Demigod. Kratos was called a Mortal.

12.He wouldn't crush a thing. He couldn't take The Blade from Kratos. Answer my question why didn't he just step on Kratos. His bolts couldn't even kill a human. Just like The Attack Zeus did didn't kill a human

13.Actually he was fast enough to turn on fire. And could dodge bullets. Kratos isnt' that fast. Cronos rage--Dante can be afar. Atlas Quake--He can jump up. ER--Protective Sheild(and it can stone strong people).

14.So? He still let him escape. He would've undone his mistake when he stabbed Athena. Aparently you don't like Dante.

Gumachi
He could've stopped his family from getting killed. He could've got his God powers back. And probably more.

Gumachi
How can he stop his DoppleGangers(not gonna know which is the real one)?

Gumachi
Dante can dodge The Savior's beam attacks. Has Million Stab. Honey Comb Fire.

Dante killed: Mundus, Argosax, the Savior, the entire cast of SMT3, and has combatted the incarnate power of Spada-Power of a God.

Dante is immortal, and cant be defeated by any other means than a devil arm that cuts out his heart.

Burning thought
Originally posted by Gumachi
1.Okay we

2.I was talking about The Blade I didn't mean anything about Kratos.

3.Look at intro 1 in DMC1. And when you have to get Pride of Lion he gets shocked(I guess it's a cutscene)

4.He has beaten people more powerful than Zeus(all he does is throwing lighting around)

5.

6.Yamato wasn't in DMC1. You haven't played DMC. And Yamato can cut thru dementions. And Yamato can cut thru ANYTHING(in DMC3-Yamato Info)

7.He defeated Savior(not in gameplay by stacking 5 bullets on eachother)

8.Krato's hasn't defeated any Titans or even Zeus. Actually he has slayed Titans--look at SMT(Sequel to DMC2).

9.That isn't proof. Dante isn't a human. The Blade wouldn't hurt him he would just laugh(atleast DMC2 Dante).

10.Your point? Dante's forges Demon Power inside. Rocks hurt Zeus.

11.Nonething says Krato's is a Demigod. All she said he was the son of Zeus she didn't say Demigod. Kratos was called a Mortal.

12.He wouldn't crush a thing. He couldn't take The Blade from Kratos. Answer my question why didn't he just step on Kratos. His bolts couldn't even kill a human. Just like The Attack Zeus did didn't kill a human

13.Actually he was fast enough to turn on fire. And could dodge bullets. Kratos isnt' that fast. Cronos rage--Dante can be afar. Atlas Quake--He can jump up. ER--Protective Sheild(and it can stone strong people).

14.So? He still let him escape. He would've undone his mistake when he stabbed Athena. Aparently you don't like Dante.

2. The blade of Olmypus is just a sword, it works the same in this debate as it would in GOW universe.

3. I dont have to go looking for such a specific piece of evidence, you need to show me him doing it, find one or youtube or something.

4. who Mundus? Mundus has defeated nobody....Dante has beaten nothing stronger than Zeus, hell hes not evne beaten anything as strong as Ares, most of the GOW bosses could prob give him a run for his money especially the large ones.

6. In that info it doesnt say it can cut through anything, it says it can cut through anything human made. Ive completed all the DMC games.

7. lmao lie, it seems you kno very little about DMC, Dante tossed his sword into the heart of Savior and the 5 bullets wedged it in enough so it pierced the heart that kept Nero in there, which released him, that didnt kill Saviour however....

8. its not a sequel, its an uncanon game using similiar characters, the only games that are canon are the DMC games themselves, your not allowed to use abilities from outside Devil May cry because their not real to Dante. Kratos has defeated Zeus.....he didnt kill him but he defeated him.

9. So what if he isnt human? hes not much stronger than a human, you need to show me proof that he could survive that blade or any other. The fact the sword CAN easily pierce through Kratos' body even where a Colossus failed to break him shows its far stronger.

10. rocks dont hurt Zeus, as ive proven, Mundus can be harmed by any weapon, Zeus steps on him...

11. You obviously dont know what a Demi-God is then do you.....

12. Zeus killed many humans in the 2nd video I showed you in my last post so thats your points scattered to the wind. now answer my question, why cant Zeus crush the much smaller and weaker Munudus who is tiny in comparison to Zeus? munudus is pathetic.

13. Kratos' attacks are that fast, his spining blades are more than Dante could survive. Dante wouldnt get a single chance to attack kratos, since as soon as he turns or stops to fire a weapon or attac with a sword, it would be his last as a beam from the Blade of Olmypus melts him in two...and nothing says it cannot stone strong people.

14. I dont like YOUR version of dante, youve fed too many lies into who the character is, here is your list of lies, answer them and provide proof or stop bringing them up:

-Dante can only be harmed by devil arms, that is never said...its even been disproven by Mundus' shards

-Dante cannot be turned to stone, this is never said in the games

-Dante is stronger/more endurant than Kratos....never true, yuve shown nothing wheras ive shown the Colossus smashing Kratos and him surviving and ive shown Kratos who can push apart the fingers of Atlas, a Titan who can lift up the world....

-Titles mean something- youve been bringing up titles for a long time, "emeror of underworld", "demi-God", "devil arm", "immortal", all of these are simply titles or states that mean little in a real battle yet you bring it up as if its something impressive that would tip the battle in their favour

Originally posted by Gumachi
Dante can dodge The Savior's beam attacks. Has Million Stab. Honey Comb Fire.

Dante killed: Mundus, Argosax, the Savior, the entire cast of SMT3, and has combatted the incarnate power of Spada-Power of a God.

Dante is immortal, and cant be defeated by any other means than a devil arm that cuts out his heart.
Anyone could dodge those attacks, their extremely slow.

Mundus was weak, so thats no biggie and he didnt kill Mundus, with the help of Trish he banished it.....Argosax was banished not kill and was weak as well.

The savior was a little more impressive yet was still fairly slow at best and tbh was mostly made up out of stone.....the kind of stuff Kratos would punch through with ease no doubt and its most powerful attacks were extremely slow...as in...a snail could probably escape them.

The game SMT3 is not a sequel to the DMC series, its an uncanon offshoot, as it says in the rules, ONLY the DMC series itself can be used as Dantes abilities, if were talking uncanon, then any fanfiction of Kratos being undefeatable is to suffice as proof of him winning roll eyes (sarcastic)

Thats a lie, he can be killed by any weapons, nothing states otherwise. Stop making up stories about Dante that never happened.

Originally posted by Gumachi
How can he stop his DoppleGangers(not gonna know which is the real one)?

Theres not many DoppleGangers and as I said before, most of Kratos' attacks happen in a large area, he would be hitting them all at once with all his attacks, Doppleganger is a useless ability

Gumachi
Originally posted by Burning thought
2. The blade of Olmypus is just a sword, it works the same in this debate as it would in GOW universe.

3. I dont have to go looking for such a specific piece of evidence, you need to show me him doing it, find one or youtube or something.

4. who Mundus? Mundus has defeated nobody....Dante has beaten nothing stronger than Zeus, hell hes not evne beaten anything as strong as Ares, most of the GOW bosses could prob give him a run for his money especially the large ones.

6. In that info it doesnt say it can cut through anything, it says it can cut through anything human made. Ive completed all the DMC games.

7. lmao lie, it seems you kno very little about DMC, Dante tossed his sword into the heart of Savior and the 5 bullets wedged it in enough so it pierced the heart that kept Nero in there, which released him, that didnt kill Saviour however....

8. its not a sequel, its an uncanon game using similiar characters, the only games that are canon are the DMC games themselves, your not allowed to use abilities from outside Devil May cry because their not real to Dante. Kratos has defeated Zeus.....he didnt kill him but he defeated him.

9. So what if he isnt human? hes not much stronger than a human, you need to show me proof that he could survive that blade or any other. The fact the sword CAN easily pierce through Kratos' body even where a Colossus failed to break him shows its far stronger.

10. rocks dont hurt Zeus, as ive proven, Mundus can be harmed by any weapon, Zeus steps on him...

11. You obviously dont know what a Demi-God is then do you.....

12. Zeus killed many humans in the 2nd video I showed you in my last post so thats your points scattered to the wind. now answer my question, why cant Zeus crush the much smaller and weaker Munudus who is tiny in comparison to Zeus? munudus is pathetic.

13. Kratos' attacks are that fast, his spining blades are more than Dante could survive. Dante wouldnt get a single chance to attack kratos, since as soon as he turns or stops to fire a weapon or attac with a sword, it would be his last as a beam from the Blade of Olmypus melts him in two...and nothing says it cannot stone strong people.

14. I dont like YOUR version of dante, youve fed too many lies into who the character is, here is your list of lies, answer them and provide proof or stop bringing them up:

-Dante can only be harmed by devil arms, that is never said...its even been disproven by Mundus' shards

-Dante cannot be turned to stone, this is never said in the games

-Dante is stronger/more endurant than Kratos....never true, yuve shown nothing wheras ive shown the Colossus smashing Kratos and him surviving and ive shown Kratos who can push apart the fingers of Atlas, a Titan who can lift up the world....

-Titles mean something- youve been bringing up titles for a long time, "emeror of underworld", "demi-God", "devil arm", "immortal", all of these are simply titles or states that mean little in a real battle yet you bring it up as if its something impressive that would tip the battle in their favour


Anyone could dodge those attacks, their extremely slow.

Mundus was weak, so thats no biggie and he didnt kill Mundus, with the help of Trish he banished it.....Argosax was banished not kill and was weak as well.

The savior was a little more impressive yet was still fairly slow at best and tbh was mostly made up out of stone.....the kind of stuff Kratos would punch through with ease no doubt and its most powerful attacks were extremely slow...as in...a snail could probably escape them.

The game SMT3 is not a sequel to the DMC series, its an uncanon offshoot, as it says in the rules, ONLY the DMC series itself can be used as Dantes abilities, if were talking uncanon, then any fanfiction of Kratos being undefeatable is to suffice as proof of him winning roll eyes (sarcastic)

Thats a lie, he can be killed by any weapons, nothing states otherwise. Stop making up stories about Dante that never happened.



Theres not many DoppleGangers and as I said before, most of Kratos' attacks happen in a large area, he would be hitting them all at once with all his attacks, Doppleganger is a useless ability

2.It's the power.

3.?

4.How would you know? Zeus is nobody and all he did was throw lighting bolts around. Actually he has. Only reason your saying that is to defend him.

6.In DMC3 Yamato info it's say "It's said to cut thru anything" you haven't played DMC4 dude. And if it can cut thru "humans" why did Vergil cut thru Beowulf?

7.It was good as defeated(it fell and Dante got his Sparda DT). If that's in the case Krato's didn't defeat Collosus

8.He still defeated him. And people more powerful than Zeus.

9.The Collosus wasn't trying to hit him. And it was just big nonething more.

10.Proof he can? Dante has demon power forged in them. Zeus was hurt by rocks(which is why he gave up orbs and Krato's would have hit him with the pillar if it didn't hurt him). No he wouldn't stop dodging my question my didn't he just step on Kratos? And he couldn't take The Blade from Krato's so he's gonna step on him? No

11.DemiGod=Half Human Half God. In his Spartan Days aparently Krato's was a human. If not why did he give his soul to Ares? If he was a true Demigod he wouldn't have had to sell his soul

12.Zeus is patheic. Was hurt by 2 shots from The Blade. Afraid of his own son. Running from a Mortal. Had to get 5 Gods to take down 1 Mortal. Is Gay. He wouldn't crush him. And i'm shure he has strength.

13.It wouldn't effect him. He's slow and wouldn't touch Dante. Icarus(I think or Perseus)Gorgon tried to look him in the eyes(in a mirror)and couldn't stone him

14.Actually I don't make up lies. I think it was revealed in the anime idk. But the only way he can be hurt is from Devil Arms. Mundus' Shards are from the King of Demons himself and comes from THE DEVIL himself. Just like The Devil Arms come from Devil he's a Devil

15.STRONG PEOPLE can't. Which is why God's can't be stoned(or can they?)

16.Like The Slow Collosus? Why didn't he punch thru that then

17.Anyone can dodge his attacks? Zeus Blade attacks are slow

18.On The 3rd round he was weak. Oh just like Krato's needed help from The Titans? Or needed help from The Pandora's Box? Or Zeus' Gaunlet? Proof to me he was weak? He gave his power to Arius(most of it). And Dante killed him. And prove to me he was banished.

19.w/e

20.He's still a Mortal no matter how tough he might be. Mortal things can kill Mortals doesn't matter how tough you are. Ares got killed with TBOTG in 1 hit.

21.Actually yes he can. Weak or not which is why The Sickles didn't hurt him in DMC3(hell the only Devil Arm to hurt him was Yamato)and bullet's can't hurt him.

22.How? It's a Spirtual Form and CANNOT be hurt and he won't know which is the real one and he will be distracted.

Dante has an attack that moves faster than the speed of sound. The rift that was created by the sheathing and unsheathing of his sword(Yamato) created a rift in space time directed at Dante. And he(Vergil) does this in succession, several times, especially in the final fight with him. Then Dante gets this same ability with the Dark Slayer style where he makes it even faster. In cutscenes Dante is fast. I haven't seen Kratos do anything fast in cutscenes.

Burning thought
Originally posted by Gumachi
2.It's the power.

3.?

4.How would you know? Zeus is nobody and all he did was throw lighting bolts around. Actually he has. Only reason your saying that is to defend him.

6.In DMC3 Yamato info it's say "It's said to cut thru anything" you haven't played DMC4 dude. And if it can cut thru "humans" why did Vergil cut thru Beowulf?

7.It was good as defeated(it fell and Dante got his Sparda DT). If that's in the case Krato's didn't defeat Collosus

8.He still defeated him. And people more powerful than Zeus.

9.The Collosus wasn't trying to hit him. And it was just big nonething more.

10.Proof he can? Dante has demon power forged in them. Zeus was hurt by rocks(which is why he gave up orbs and Krato's would have hit him with the pillar if it didn't hurt him). No he wouldn't stop dodging my question my didn't he just step on Kratos? And he couldn't take The Blade from Krato's so he's gonna step on him? No

11.DemiGod=Half Human Half God. In his Spartan Days aparently Krato's was a human. If not why did he give his soul to Ares? If he was a true Demigod he wouldn't have had to sell his soul

12.Zeus is patheic. Was hurt by 2 shots from The Blade. Afraid of his own son. Running from a Mortal. Had to get 5 Gods to take down 1 Mortal. Is Gay. He wouldn't crush him. And i'm shure he has strength.

13.It wouldn't effect him. He's slow and wouldn't touch Dante. Icarus(I think or Perseus)Gorgon tried to look him in the eyes(in a mirror)and couldn't stone him

14.Actually I don't make up lies. I think it was revealed in the anime idk. But the only way he can be hurt is from Devil Arms. Mundus' Shards are from the King of Demons himself and comes from THE DEVIL himself. Just like The Devil Arms come from Devil he's a Devil

15.STRONG PEOPLE can't. Which is why God's can't be stoned(or can they?)

16.Like The Slow Collosus? Why didn't he punch thru that then

17.Anyone can dodge his attacks? Zeus Blade attacks are slow

18.On The 3rd round he was weak. Oh just like Krato's needed help from The Titans? Or needed help from The Pandora's Box? Or Zeus' Gaunlet? Proof to me he was weak? He gave his power to Arius(most of it). And Dante killed him. And prove to me he was banished.

19.w/e

20.He's still a Mortal no matter how tough he might be. Mortal things can kill Mortals doesn't matter how tough you are. Ares got killed with TBOTG in 1 hit.

21.Actually yes he can. Weak or not which is why The Sickles didn't hurt him in DMC3(hell the only Devil Arm to hurt him was Yamato)and bullet's can't hurt him.

22.How? It's a Spirtual Form and CANNOT be hurt and he won't know which is the real one and he will be distracted.

Dante has an attack that moves faster than the speed of sound. The rift that was created by the sheathing and unsheathing of his sword(Yamato) created a rift in space time directed at Dante. And he(Vergil) does this in succession, several times, especially in the final fight with him. Then Dante gets this same ability with the Dark Slayer style where he makes it even faster. In cutscenes Dante is fast. I haven't seen Kratos do anything fast in cutscenes.

2?

3. find your own proof, dont ask me to find your proof for you.

4. Zeus is many times his size, cannot be burned and his bones cannot be broken and has shown to deal great damage, Mundus is nothing...

6. Show me then, prove it, ive read that it says it can cut through almost any mortal object. I have, its more likely from your speech you have not. Your sentence didnt make sense.....Beowulf is a demon and he was slain by Yamato..so?

7. See now I know youve never played DMC 4, you obviously dont know that alll Dante did was free Nero, they were both battling after that, Dante was still fighting Saviour and Nero was fighting the old man inside.

8. uncanon so no he didnt, the real version of Dante didnt defeat any of those characters, the real version of Dante has never beaten anything as powerful as Zeus, let alone anything more...

9. it doesnt need anything more, its weight and tonnage are more than enough, far beyond anything Dante has survivied.

10. In any of the games Mundus can be harmed by any weapon....also once again, your asking me to prove things FOR YOU CHARACTERS YOU have to prove evidence that Mundus CANNOT be defeated by any weapon. And their not rocks, huge stone pillars, something else that would crush Dante didnt harm Zeus, he gave up Orbs but they didnt harm him, it was impaling with the sword that harms Zeus.

11. youve got a lot to learn, Demi-God is just a title, the fact someone is God or a Demi-God doesnt make them powerful, their powers do, Kratos was a powerless Demi-God.....

12. Several impalements and a final impalement from a blade empowered by the Gods and can wipe out armies with a swing...thats not pathetic m8, thats damn powerful that the guy actually survived...STOP DODGING THE QUESTION WHATS MUNDUS ACTUALLY DONE?, nothing suggests he would survive being stepped on...

13. That never happened in the GOW series.....

14. see you dont know...so you made it up, unless you can give proof stop going on about Dante only be harmed by devil arms because nobody else believes you, theres no proof for it. King of demons is a title, so titles mean nothing so stop going on with that rubbish, their weak little shards that have done nothing impressive before and they sliced through Dante and took him out of his strongest form.

15. Ime not sure if Gods can be stoned or not, but there sstill no evidence for Dante being able to survive stoning, stop lieing.

16. because the Colossus is made out of bronze not stone, metal>saviour stone, not to mention he didnt have to did he, he blew a hole in it with the Blade of Olmypus.

17. You cant doge the wave beam he does which destroyed the spartan army...

18. kratos gained power from those beings, they didnt actually help him in the battle like Trish helped Dante....He was banished because he says so himself, he gets sucked into the portal, Mundus was definatley banished.....if you didnt pick that up in the story then its a joke that your debating against me for the side of Dante.

19. yh

20. stop with that shit, ive proven several times kratos was a demi-god and that throwing around titles is a load of crap, titles dont mean anything, Mortal weapons could kill Dante or Mundus.

21. nothing still says no mortal weapon can harm Dante.

22. as i just said, Kratos powers can hit all of them at once

Gumachi
Originally posted by Burning thought
2?

3. find your own proof, dont ask me to find your proof for you.

4. Zeus is many times his size, cannot be burned and his bones cannot be broken and has shown to deal great damage, Mundus is nothing...

6. Show me then, prove it, ive read that it says it can cut through almost any mortal object. I have, its more likely from your speech you have not. Your sentence didnt make sense.....Beowulf is a demon and he was slain by Yamato..so?

7. See now I know youve never played DMC 4, you obviously dont know that alll Dante did was free Nero, they were both battling after that, Dante was still fighting Saviour and Nero was fighting the old man inside.

8. uncanon so no he didnt, the real version of Dante didnt defeat any of those characters, the real version of Dante has never beaten anything as powerful as Zeus, let alone anything more...

9. it doesnt need anything more, its weight and tonnage are more than enough, far beyond anything Dante has survivied.

10. In any of the games Mundus can be harmed by any weapon....also once again, your asking me to prove things FOR YOU CHARACTERS YOU have to prove evidence that Mundus CANNOT be defeated by any weapon. And their not rocks, huge stone pillars, something else that would crush Dante didnt harm Zeus, he gave up Orbs but they didnt harm him, it was impaling with the sword that harms Zeus.

11. youve got a lot to learn, Demi-God is just a title, the fact someone is God or a Demi-God doesnt make them powerful, their powers do, Kratos was a powerless Demi-God.....

12. Several impalements and a final impalement from a blade empowered by the Gods and can wipe out armies with a swing...thats not pathetic m8, thats damn powerful that the guy actually survived...STOP DODGING THE QUESTION WHATS MUNDUS ACTUALLY DONE?, nothing suggests he would survive being stepped on...

13. That never happened in the GOW series.....

14. see you dont know...so you made it up, unless you can give proof stop going on about Dante only be harmed by devil arms because nobody else believes you, theres no proof for it. King of demons is a title, so titles mean nothing so stop going on with that rubbish, their weak little shards that have done nothing impressive before and they sliced through Dante and took him out of his strongest form.

15. Ime not sure if Gods can be stoned or not, but there sstill no evidence for Dante being able to survive stoning, stop lieing.

16. because the Colossus is made out of bronze not stone, metal>saviour stone, not to mention he didnt have to did he, he blew a hole in it with the Blade of Olmypus.

17. You cant doge the wave beam he does which destroyed the spartan army...

18. kratos gained power from those beings, they didnt actually help him in the battle like Trish helped Dante....He was banished because he says so himself, he gets sucked into the portal, Mundus was definatley banished.....if you didnt pick that up in the story then its a joke that your debating against me for the side of Dante.

19. yh

20. stop with that shit, ive proven several times kratos was a demi-god and that throwing around titles is a load of crap, titles dont mean anything, Mortal weapons could kill Dante or Mundus.

21. nothing still says no mortal weapon can harm Dante.

22. as i just said, Kratos powers can hit all of them at once

2.?

3.Your the one who doesn't believe me

4.Where does he say he can't be burned or bones broken? Mundus has no bones to break and I doubt he can be burned. Why didn't he step on Kratos?

6."it says it can cut through anything human made" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fingvpD35DE

7.So he still defeated it.

8.Zeus isn't the most powerful video game chracter. What can Zeus beat Goku next? And he has.

9.It's just big like I said.

10.Mortal weapons? Dante FORGED(forges)his Demon Power into his weapons. Zeus was hurt by rocks. If not why did Krato's do it twice? Why didn't he just rush The Blade in his stomach?

11.So he must've not been much then

12.Prove to me he will be stepped on and die then. You keep doging my question why did Zeus just step on Kratos. And we haven't seen much of Mundus of what he can do. He atleast made a demention by flapping his wings(whatever he did)

13.I was talking Greek Myth.

14.Anime? Just like Zeus' weak bolts. They only get hurt by Demonic Beings. Which is why Lady's bullets didn't harm him. King of Olympus is a title because if he is THAT powerful he would've destoryed Kratos in 123. And why did The Blade kill Athena then? It was revealed in the anime the only way to kill Dante is to rip out his heart with a Devil Arm. And why didn't his Arrows hurt him the other times then?

15.So? How can he stone him if he does Devil Trigger?

16.So? Where does it says it's stone?

17.RoyalGuard W/Dreadnought Armor can or hell he can just jump up in the air(and fly)

18.If that's in the case he didn't have help. She just gave him her power that's all. That's in the case Krato's had help. Like Gaia/Ares/Zeus helped him.

19.

20.Prove to me it can? Why didn't the sickles kill him then? Demigods doesn't mean anything. Kratos was nonething more than a human until he traded his souls to Ares. And he forges his power into the weapons. So no Mortal weapons can't hurt them. And E&I isn't a Mortal's Weapon. Nightmare isn't And the RL rarely hurts him and he doesn't show in affection. Mortal weapons can't hurt Mundus because you can't equip the shotgun.

21.He isn't a Mortal otherwise the sickles would have hurt him.

22.How can he hit a shadow? Exactly he can't.

How can he step Gilgames & Pandora(A Giant Lasor Cannon--extra weapons). Sparda=God if Sparda was a God the other Demon Kings had to be as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dpDLBRe8VI and if Dante defeated Sparda he has power of a God(something like that). And has gotten stabbed by Alastor(A GOD'S SWORD)and got right back up.

Kratos carries the title of "God"(or DemiGod).

But, in terms of gameplay, the demons Dante faces are clearly more agressive and fast than those mithology creatures Kratos faces.

They are diferent games. Kratos killed an Hidra, but Echidna, from DMC4, is a lot more dangerous (in a direct comparison) than the Hidra.

And the Zeus featured in the game is not as extravagant as Mundus in DMC1.


In words, "Gods" are bigger than "demons", but, in terms of gameplay, GOW "gods" are not like DMC "demons".

Dante's demonic energies that harm his foes through his guns.

Dante killed the most powerful evil God to exist(I don't see how Zues is any different).

k1Lla441
Originally posted by Gumachi
How can he stop his DoppleGangers(not gonna know which is the real one)?
Easy. kill them both.
Originally posted by Gumachi
Dante can dodge The Savior's beam attacks. Has Million Stab. Honey Comb Fire.

Dante killed: Mundus, Argosax, the Savior, the entire cast of SMT3, and has combatted the incarnate power of Spada-Power of a God.

Dante is immortal, and cant be defeated by any other means than a devil arm that cuts out his heart.
You have been redudant during this whole arguement. we dont care. you already stated this many times. Dante is a solid fighter, a good one, but not comparable to kratos. The only thing dante has for sure is speed, and maby durability. Kratos completely dominates in any other category.


Originally posted by Gumachi
He can only use it IF he's inside the mirrior.

He can't do it while outside.

Didn't you hear Gaia when she said there power resides in these great mirrors?
Did you hear mother gaia when she said kratos has the power to control time?

Gumachi
Originally posted by k1Lla441
Easy. kill them both.

You have been redudant during this whole arguement. we dont care. you already stated this many times. Dante is a solid fighter, a good one, but not comparable to kratos. The only thing dante has for sure is speed, and maby durability. Kratos completely dominates in any other category.



Did you hear mother gaia when she said kratos has the power to control time?

How can you touch a shadow? It can only be hurt by light. Why can't other Demons hurt the Doppleganger?

He's better than Kratos. Dante: Speed, Agility, Endurace, Durability. Kratos: Endurance, Strength, Duarabiliy

Yes I did. But when you defeat Clotho she said the power of the Fates reside in these great mirrors. So he HAS to be in the mirror. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvdXm1FbVdE

The Blade's magic energies could contend with Dante on a field of godly power, physically the blade is useless against him. Dante is faster and a better swordsman than Kratos, so yeah, he can get close. Kratos' time powers are limited to a pathetic 1/2 speed whilst near a statue. Dante can do anything he wants to with time with both his own magic energies (Quiksilver) and the Bangle of Time

k1Lla441
Originally posted by Gumachi
How can you touch a shadow? It can only be hurt by light. Why can't other Demons hurt the Doppleganger?

He's better than Kratos. Dante: Speed, Agility, Endurace, Durability. Kratos: Endurance, Strength, Duarabiliy

Yes I did. But when you defeat Clotho she said the power of the Fates reside in these great mirrors. So he HAS to be in the mirror. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvdXm1FbVdE

The Blade's magic energies could contend with Dante on a field of godly power, physically the blade is useless against him. Dante is faster and a better swordsman than Kratos, so yeah, he can get close. Kratos' time powers are limited to a pathetic 1/2 speed whilst near a statue. Dante can do anything he wants to with time with both his own magic energies (Quiksilver) and the Bangle of Time
kratos has lightning at his disposal.

Not even.

Ok, i never said she didnt say that. But her latest comment was saying that kratos has the power to control time, so i would think that her latest comment is the true one. And why would you believe mother gaia when she said kratos has to be in the mirror, but when i prove to you that mother gaia said that kratos does have the power to control time, you dont believe her then? This isnt a propaganda, you cant simply choose to believe whats fact and whats not nor can you try to stretch the truth or ignore facts that hurt your character.

And what ever happened to my last arguement? you just stopped.

Gumachi
Originally posted by k1Lla441
kratos has lightning at his disposal.

Not even.

Ok, i never said she didnt say that. But her latest comment was saying that kratos has the power to control time, so i would think that her latest comment is the true one. And why would you believe mother gaia when she said kratos has to be in the mirror, but when i prove to you that mother gaia said that kratos does have the power to control time, you dont believe her then? This isnt a propaganda, you cant simply choose to believe whats fact and whats not nor can you try to stretch the truth or ignore facts that hurt your character.

And what ever happened to my last arguement? you just stopped.

Doesn't mean it will hurt him. Why doesn't the sun hurt Doppleganger? And It posseses Dante(it's his shadow). Before he defeated it, it was just a normal shadow.

How?

mean the power resides in the mirrors. Which mean his true time powers can only be used while he's inside the mirror.

What last argument?(Not in a rude way)but honestly i'm getting tired of this Kratos vs Dante thing and it's not getting anyware.

Gumachi
As for DEVIL ARMS only hurting Dante. Let's put it this way the only sword to actually hurt him was Yamato. We haven't seen anything BUT Yamato hurt him.

Wil Deidara
Originally posted by Gumachi
He's better than Kratos. Dante: Speed, Agility, Endurace, Durability. Kratos: Endurance, Strength, Duarabiliy

Dante: Speed, Agility, Endurance, Durability, and Weapons

Kratos: Strength, Weapons, Endurance, Durability, and Magic

Originally posted by k1Lla441
And what ever happened to my last arguement? you just stopped.

Because he probably knows he lost there. Although I say Dante wins, it's because I haven't played through all of GoW2 yet. When I do, I will say who is better IMO.

Originally posted by Gumachi
As for DEVIL ARMS only hurting Dante. Let's put it this way the only sword to actually hurt him was Yamato. We haven't seen anything BUT Yamato hurt him.

What makes you think that BoO won't hurt him. I heard it killed all of the Titans. Why not Dante though?

Gumachi
Originally posted by Wil Deidara
Dante: Speed, Agility, Endurance, Durability, and Weapons

Kratos: Strength, Weapons, Endurance, Durability, and Magic



Because he probably knows he lost there. Although I say Dante wins, it's because I haven't played through all of GoW2 yet. When I do, I will say who is better IMO.

1.Okay I agree

2.No just no. I didn't even see his last post. And I don't think I replied idk.

Wil Deidara
I posted it in my last post. Just in case you didn't see it.

Originally posted by Gumachi
As for DEVIL ARMS only hurting Dante. Let's put it this way the only sword to actually hurt him was Yamato. We haven't seen anything BUT Yamato hurt him.

What makes you think that BoO won't hurt him. I heard it killed all of the Titans. Why not Dante though?

Gumachi
Besides I doubt it would hurt him physically =\(I guess)

It never killed the Titans. It just sealed them in Tartarus under Olympic power. Kinda funny how Artemis Blade slayed a Titan but The Blade didn't =\

And if this is DMC2 Dante you think The Blade could hurt him?

Wil Deidara
Originally posted by Gumachi
It never killed the Titans. It just sealed them in Tartarus under Olympic power. Kinda funny how Artemis Blade slayed a Titan but The Blade didn't =\

Well, Artemis Blade is based around pure strength, and BoO isn't. I heard differently.

Gumachi
But Artemis Blade was created from Artemis(?).

The Blade was created from Zeus big difference. And The Blade is bigger(I think) still though a blade like that killing an enourmous Titan?

The Blade was powerful enough kill Athena in 1 hit the most. And hurt Zeus atleast in the 1st two hits.

Wil Deidara
And it is based on pure strength

Well, I don't know everything. It is just what I heard.

Gumachi
Sorry dude but you heard a lie =\

Otherwise why was Atlas unchained(and alive)? Why was Gaia alive also(and the other Titans surronding her)?

Gumachi
And since Kratos is from Greek Days. He wouldn't know what a gun could do(or the power of it). There's not telling what he think a gun would be.

Same goes from Eurayle's rage(maybe) but Dante can be far from him and attack Krato's with Pandora(or Spiral Swords). Or use Trickster and move around Krato's/run around Kratos(like Zeus did).

Atlas Quake--He can jump up in the air or go far away(Like the fight with Zeus)

Cronos' Rage--I doubt it would hurt him but just in case he can go DT.

Typhon's Bow--Dante can either counter with Artemis or use his Royal Guard.

I might do the same Dante's weapons(idk).

Gumachi
Originally posted by Gumachi
And since Kratos is from Greek Days. He wouldn't know what a gun could do(or the power of it). There's not telling what he think a gun would be.

Same goes from Eurayle's rage(maybe) but Dante can be far from him and attack Krato's with Pandora(or Spiral Swords). Or use Trickster and move around Krato's/run around Kratos(like Zeus did).

Atlas Quake--He can jump up in the air or go far away(Like the fight with Zeus).

Cronos' Rage--I doubt it would hurt him..Why? Because he got impaled by Alastor(Devil/God Sword/Thunder/Lighting God/Devil)and didn't get hurt.

Typhon's Bow--Dante can either counter with Artemis or use his Royal Guard. And use E&I. Or use Nevan's magic protective sheilds and/or Cerberus magic shields

I might do the same Dante's weapons(idk).

And shots from The Blade--RoyalGuard(Just Release)releasing all the energy killing Kratos.

Burning thought
Originally posted by Gumachi
2.?

3.Your the one who doesn't believe me

4.Where does he say he can't be burned or bones broken? Mundus has no bones to break and I doubt he can be burned. Why didn't he step on Kratos?

6."it says it can cut through anything human made" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fingvpD35DE

7.So he still defeated it.

8.Zeus isn't the most powerful video game chracter. What can Zeus beat Goku next? And he has.

9.It's just big like I said.

10.Mortal weapons? Dante FORGED(forges)his Demon Power into his weapons. Zeus was hurt by rocks. If not why did Krato's do it twice? Why didn't he just rush The Blade in his stomach?

11.So he must've not been much then

12.Prove to me he will be stepped on and die then. You keep doging my question why did Zeus just step on Kratos. And we haven't seen much of Mundus of what he can do. He atleast made a demention by flapping his wings(whatever he did)

13.I was talking Greek Myth.

14.Anime? Just like Zeus' weak bolts. They only get hurt by Demonic Beings. Which is why Lady's bullets didn't harm him. King of Olympus is a title because if he is THAT powerful he would've destoryed Kratos in 123. And why did The Blade kill Athena then? It was revealed in the anime the only way to kill Dante is to rip out his heart with a Devil Arm. And why didn't his Arrows hurt him the other times then?

15.So? How can he stone him if he does Devil Trigger?

16.So? Where does it says it's stone?

17.RoyalGuard W/Dreadnought Armor can or hell he can just jump up in the air(and fly)

18.If that's in the case he didn't have help. She just gave him her power that's all. That's in the case Krato's had help. Like Gaia/Ares/Zeus helped him.

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20.Prove to me it can? Why didn't the sickles kill him then? Demigods doesn't mean anything. Kratos was nonething more than a human until he traded his souls to Ares. And he forges his power into the weapons. So no Mortal weapons can't hurt them. And E&I isn't a Mortal's Weapon. Nightmare isn't And the RL rarely hurts him and he doesn't show in affection. Mortal weapons can't hurt Mundus because you can't equip the shotgun.

21.He isn't a Mortal otherwise the sickles would have hurt him.

22.How can he hit a shadow? Exactly he can't.

How can he step Gilgames & Pandora(A Giant Lasor Cannon--extra weapons). Sparda=God if Sparda was a God the other Demon Kings had to be as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dpDLBRe8VI and if Dante defeated Sparda he has power of a God(something like that). And has gotten stabbed by Alastor(A GOD'S SWORD)and got right back up.

Kratos carries the title of "God"(or DemiGod).

But, in terms of gameplay, the demons Dante faces are clearly more agressive and fast than those mithology creatures Kratos faces.

They are diferent games. Kratos killed an Hidra, but Echidna, from DMC4, is a lot more dangerous (in a direct comparison) than the Hidra.

And the Zeus featured in the game is not as extravagant as Mundus in DMC1.


In words, "Gods" are bigger than "demons", but, in terms of gameplay, GOW "gods" are not like DMC "demons".

Dante's demonic energies that harm his foes through his guns.

Dante killed the most powerful evil God to exist(I don't see how Zues is any different).

3. I know, so you have to go and find the information I need and actually put it in this thread, like a video or something

4. Ares says Gods in GOW cant be burned or broken. Why? because either A: he didnt want to, or B: kratos just happened to be on a mountain at the time...

6. just as I just said.....so you just confirmed you were lieing....

7. Nero defeated it by destroying its controller, the old man inside...Dante kept it occupied..

8. no i never said Zeus was the most powerful Video game character, but hes far beyond anything Dante has beaten.

9. And stronger than anything Dante has hit by...like I said..

10. He does, if youve played the game Kratos impaled zeus everytime he gets the chance to push the stone pillars on top of Zeus...

11. yeh he wasnt, neither was Dante before he got any of his powers....then again, this isnt the Kratos in this thread, this is the strongest version..

12. Exactley weve seen nothing of Mundus, so...what makes you think he can survive being stepped on? nothing....blind fanboyism thats what and thats not what makes any diffrence in this thread ime afraid....Mundus would be destroyed.

13. Well dont, its irrelvent, only stuff in the games are relvent, read the rules.

14. Theres nothing that proves they are only hurt by demonic beings, all ladies bullet not huiting dante proves is that he can survive bullets, thats it...they pierced his body though.

15. Devil trigger would be stoned as well..no diffrence

16. You can see its stone, it crumbles like stone.

17. No it cannot, and jump up in the air? lol....that doesnt help....

18. She didnt give him her power, wtf you talking about....she actually fought besides him you goon lol

20. Hes always been a Demi-God. You can equip the rocket launcher....but nothing states mortal weapons cant hurt Munudus anyway lol.....your going about this completly the wrong way, you HAVE TO PROVE MUNDUS CANNOT BE HARMED BY MORTAL WEAPONS..

21. Mortal and Demi-God/immortal is a title, the reason the sickles dont hurt him would be just because their extremely weak....its nothing to do with him not being able to age...

22. but he can hit the real dante...

what the bloody hell? Sparda was NEVER a God at all, he was just a soldier, the DARK KNIGHT Sparda....he wasnt a God, you have no idea about DMC do you?

Dante didnt kill the most powerful evil god to excist...he defeated Mundus, a pathetic whelp compared to GOW and the embodiment of depsiar.

Originally posted by Gumachi
Besides I doubt it would hurt him physically =\(I guess)

It never killed the Titans. It just sealed them in Tartarus under Olympic power. Kinda funny how Artemis Blade slayed a Titan but The Blade didn't =\

And if this is DMC2 Dante you think The Blade could hurt him?

lol a blade that can wipe out armise wont kill one little devil man? lmao.....your unbelivably short sighted...its far more powerful than all of DMC weapons..

true, one of the few things you said that was true....


The blade would disintigrate him like it would any dante

Burning thought
Originally posted by Gumachi
And since Kratos is from Greek Days. He wouldn't know what a gun could do(or the power of it). There's not telling what he think a gun would be.

Same goes from Eurayle's rage(maybe) but Dante can be far from him and attack Krato's with Pandora(or Spiral Swords). Or use Trickster and move around Krato's/run around Kratos(like Zeus did).

Atlas Quake--He can jump up in the air or go far away(Like the fight with Zeus)

Cronos' Rage--I doubt it would hurt him but just in case he can go DT.

Typhon's Bow--Dante can either counter with Artemis or use his Royal Guard.

I might do the same Dante's weapons(idk).

He wouldnt need to know would he...Dante wouldnt know what half the magic powers Kratos has either...

You just said Dante wouldnt know so why would he fight from range? most of his range weapons are weak anyway..

Cronos' rage would stun and electrocute Dante, he would die...

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