Pee-retcon Beyonder vs Lord of Nightmares

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SoulDevourer
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Lord of Nightmares (from the slayer verse) : it's "omnipotent omniscient omnipresent". supposedly creates entire megaverses just by sneezing


vs


pre-retcon beyonder - supposed to be "beyond all creation" (whatever the hell that means - I mean he was in Marvel so he has to be part of a Marvel-something right? and his universe & race exists so it was created by something/someone right? eh, whatever)

kgkg
Feat wise PR Beyonder FTW

am not sure how far they went in the manga but I have seem all three slayers title excluding the new Revolution one.

Lina could harness the power to destroy the universe by channeling the power for LON but LON had no feats to go by.

the best feat I have seen the power of LON was the Giga Slave and feat wise that was nothing compare to Beyonder

SoulDevourer
the thing with preretcon beyonder is...there's many like him, right ? he was suppose to be part of a race of omnipotent folx (the beyonders) so he's not unique...so that means someone unique must have made him and the others...but if it's not TOAA (since he's outside the multiverse and TOAA is multiversal only) then who is it ??? they never once spoke of it iirc confused

kgkg
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
the thing with preretcon beyonder is...there's many like him, right ? he was suppose to be part of a race of omnipotent folx (the beyonders) so he's not unique...so that means someone unique must have made him and the others...but if it's not TOAA (since he's outside the multiverse and TOAA is multiversal only) then who is it ??? they never once spoke of it iirc confused beyonder was the beyond universe. He was everything OUTSIDE of marvel multiverse. and this universe was many times larger than the the marvel Multiverse combined.

Also Beyonder could do pretty much anything while Lord of Nightmare does not have any feats. It was said that she is the spark of creation. A force that has created 4 separate planes of reality<dimension if you will>ie Death Fog's realm , Ruby eye , Darkstar and the last one i can't remember.

Beyonder blinking can destroy universes and LON does not have the feats to compete.

Also the Giga Slave the power of LON could not completely kill Darkstar

SoulDevourer
Originally posted by kgkg
beyonder was the beyond universe. He was everything OUTSIDE of marvel multiverse. and this universe was many times larger than the the marvel Multiverse combined. so the combo (beyond-verse+multiverse) what was this called ? I mean it a bigger universe that encompass the smaller ones & it has to have a name cause it exists, right ?
(like the 5D realm suppose to be outside creation but it is part of DC-something...)


is it ultra-mega-marvelverse? stick out tongue they never said who made it or who made the beyonders & all that

kgkg
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
so the combo (beyond-verse+multiverse) what was this called ? I mean it a bigger universe that encompass the smaller ones & it has to have a name cause it exists, right ?
(like the 5D realm suppose to be outside creation but it is part of DC-something...)


is it ultra-mega-marvelverse? stick out tongue they never said who made it or who made the beyonders & all that It was known as the "Beyond realm" and he pretty much was this realm

it's different than the 5d realm because Beyonder at that time was everything outside the marvel multiverse

and have you seen slayers the anime? good stuff

Enyalus
Pre-retcon Beyonder solos every other omnipotent being from every other company at once. With H2H.

rotiart
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
so the combo (beyond-verse+multiverse) what was this called ? I mean it a bigger universe that encompass the smaller ones & it has to have a name cause it exists, right ?
(like the 5D realm suppose to be outside creation but it is part of DC-something...)


is it ultra-mega-marvelverse? stick out tongue they never said who made it or who made the beyonders & all that

Originally? Ore retcon wasn't a race I believe it as retconned to say he came from a race... It was just the beyonder... And to explain beyonder imagine the
Entirety of marvel or even DC if you will... Multiply that by a few million... And that represented beyonder...

SoulDevourer
Originally posted by rotiart
And to explain beyonder imagine the
Entirety of marvel or even DC if you will... Multiply that by a few million... And that represented beyonder... (so basically he was the "real one above all" ? )
that's odd - he only appeared in Marvel comics stick out tongue there would've been some cameos in Slayers & DC & Image

rotiart
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
(so basically he was the "real one above all" ? )
that's odd - he only appeared in Marvel comics stick out tongue there would've been some cameos in Slayers & DC & Image

he was a marvel construct... but... in the sense that marvel and dc multiverse are both about "equal" in terms of what they represent...

marvel wrote beyonder to represent the idea that he was millions of times larger than what marvel represented... hence since marvel was supposedly equal to dc... beyonder would have been millions of times larger then dc.

Knowsbleed33
Beyonder wins.

He always wins.

SoulDevourer
Originally posted by rotiart
he was a marvel construct... but... in the sense that marvel and dc multiverse are both about "equal" in terms of what they represent...

marvel wrote beyonder to represent the idea that he was millions of times larger than what marvel represented... hence since marvel was supposedly equal to dc... beyonder would have been millions of times larger then dc. larger but without including DC or the other trademarks (it only include marvel)

btw was it said that classic beyonder was one of his kind? iirc they said he was part of a race of beings all like him that inhabit realm of beyonders...???

Knowsbleed33
That was post-retcon.

SoulDevourer
so classic beyonder is all alone @ home? hes got entire universe just for himself?

Endless Mike
PR Beyonder was NOT omnipotent. His power was even measured in finite levels - "millions of times greater than etc." and he was able to give half of it to Dazzler.

LoN is again a bit sketchy since the novels seem to imply she has limitations on chanelling her full power

Either way this thread is not allowed

SoulDevourer
SoulDevourer allows it evil



they give very few specs on LoN's power (basically it's the god of slayers but it's an evil god) but from the little they say it's like he farts entire multiverses in his sleep -_-

Endless Mike
Not evil, more like chaotic neutral

Apparently created an infinite multiverse/multiverses with alternate timelines (kind of uncertain)

Enyalus
Originally posted by Endless Mike
PR Beyonder was NOT omnipotent. His power was even measured in finite levels - "millions of times greater than etc." and he was able to give half of it to Dazzler.

Yeah, millions of times greater than the Marvelverse, which is itself infinite...what else would you call millions of times more than infinite?

Astner
Originally posted by Endless Mike
LoN is again a bit sketchy since the novels seem to imply she has limitations on chanelling her full power

Either way this thread is not allowed
Does it matter if the novels, manga or anime imply limitations on her? She still doesn't have the feats to be up there with the Beyonder.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Yeah, millions of times greater than the Marvelverse, which is itself infinite...what else would you call millions of times more than infinite?
It was more like of a figure of speech--just as the a drop in the ocean meataphor. It was also said that Beyonder expanded his universe making it infinitely greater than the previously existing multiverse of Marvel.

And the author outright said in the interview that he was omnipotent, like god before there was a gensis.

Interviews are a more efficiant source than misleading panels.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Not evil, more like chaotic neutral

Apparently created an infinite multiverse/multiverses with alternate timelines (kind of uncertain)
No, just no. Go back to your given facts when analyzing new material.

5 time-lines, four "universes" --> four multiverses, a coherent idea.

- But new material confirmes that there are a infinte amoutn of universes.

5 time-lines, an infinite amount of universes --> one multiverse.

I severely doubted that the worlds were complete "universes" at all as they are as small islands on pillars in the sea of chaos (yes, the Slayers world is flat, not a sphere-shaped planet).

Galan007
Originally posted by Enyalus
what else would you call millions of times more than infinite? Not infinite? srsly

Tenebrous
i'm surprised no one has said anything about Pee-retcon Beyonder.

Astner
Originally posted by Galan007
Not infinite? srsly
The thing about infinity is that it isn't defined. Logic does not apply to concepts of infinity.

Galan007
Originally posted by Astner
The thing about infinity is that it isn't defined. Logic does not apply to concepts of infinity. Nothing can be greater than infinite If the Beyonder's powers were greater than the multiverse, it simply was not infinite to begin with.

Comic logic pwns! dur" kind of way]

rotiart
If the supreme beings of marvel and image tale on the supreme being of DC... Who wins. 2 infinite beings vs 1

Knowsbleed33
2 infinites are greater than 1.

Or something.

rotiart
So if beyonder is millions of these beings .....

Knowsbleed33
The whole omnipotent vs. omnipotent thing will make you go nuts.

IIRC Dr. Strange explained it in a comic book once.

Mindset
Originally posted by Galan007
Nothing can be greater than infinite If the Beyonder's powers were greater than the multiverse, it simply was not infinite to begin with.

Comic logic pwns! dur" kind of way] Well I'm infinitely more infinite than you.

Enyalus
Originally posted by Galan007
Not infinite? srsly

That's what I say regarding DC's PC Multiverse.

Endless Mike
Interviews? You mean like how Joe Casey said Superman could beat Galactus in an interview? laughing

Anyway, comparing beings of this level is kind of pointless - there's no real answer since they operate at levels beyond human comprehension

Enyalus
Superman beat Darkseid, who is obviously abstract level, being the dark side of the Source and all. Clearly he can beat Galactus. Anyone saying otherwise is a Marvel fanboy.

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