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The governmet supposably controlls everything but they never do a good job. They also lie about most stuff, and somehow find ways of violating our constitutional rights. At least that's my crazy beleif
What about you guys?

Yeah, some governments can be pretty bad...



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7773717.stm

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Yeah, some governments can be pretty bad...



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7773717.stm

I was debating posting a thread about Blagojevich's arrest, actually.

The state of Illinois is simultaneously going "ABOUT DAMN TIME" and laughing our collective asses off. Even for a state known for corruption that's low. That article doesn't even include what's probably the worst thing in all of this - he threatened to cut $8 million in funding from a children's hospital in Chicago because the CEO didn't donate to his campaign. Said hospital? Is where my brother goes and my aunt works.

This article has a bit more info.

Originally posted by Kennedyward
The governmet supposably controlls everything but they never do a good job. They also lie about most stuff, and somehow find ways of violating our constitutional rights. At least that's my crazy beleif
What about you guys?

Well, in free market capitalism the government shouldn't control everything. And while the ineptness of the bureaucracy is legendary, I wouldn't say never do a good job. You could apply most of this to the Bush administration, but to the Gov. in general? It seems like a reach.

Originally posted by Kennedyward
The governmet supposably controlls everything but they never do a good job.

Those two claims seem contradictory.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Those two claims seem contradictory. Why?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why?

If they control everything being ineffective would be impossible. Either they would have to make a mistake (losing control) or lack a piece of information (lacking control to begin with). Of course they could just be evil, but that's not the same as not doing a good job, just not the one you think they're doing/supposed to be doing.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If they control everything being ineffective would be impossible. Either they would have to make a mistake (losing control) or lack a piece of information (lacking control to begin with). Of course they could just be evil, but that's not the same as not doing a good job, just not the one you think they're doing/supposed to be doing. I believe that's what he meant. The government doesn't do a "good" job, as in not pleasing most people (which is obviously a silly thing). Though, either way, I don't think it inherently contradicts itself, it's just an odd notion to subscribe to.

"The" Government?

There are literally tens of thousands of governments. Nation-states, commonwealths, republics, dictatorships, grand duchies, sultanates, kingdoms, empires, and at the levels of federal, state, province, region, county, municipality, city, town, village, and even tribes.

Pray tell, which one are you referring to?

Originally posted by Peach
I was debating posting a thread about Blagojevich's arrest, actually.

The state of Illinois is simultaneously going "ABOUT DAMN TIME" and laughing our collective asses off. Even for a state known for corruption that's low. That article doesn't even include what's probably the worst thing in all of this - he threatened to cut $8 million in funding from a children's hospital in Chicago because the CEO didn't donate to his campaign. Said hospital? Is where my brother goes and my aunt works.

This article has a bit more info. Yeah, from what I hear, I'm amazed he was never impeached or recalled before this, if his corruption was so well-known.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Yeah, from what I hear, I'm amazed he was never impeached or recalled before this, if his corruption was so well-known.

Well, it is Illinois. I mean, look at Chicago. Daley's not the most spotless person in the world and that city definitely has its history.

I think it was mostly that they were lacking the actual evidence they needed to arrest him. When he was recorded discussing selling Obama's vacated Senate seat, though, that was what they needed to get him.

But yeah. No surprise to anyone here. Most of the state can't stand him.

In reference to Daley, I thought Chicago politics had more of a reputation for being bare-knuckled and nasty, not necessarily corrupt.

At least lately.

I think the options are limited.

The "Mafia type con men (women) who are just in it to fill their & their friends boots"

Originally posted by Strangelove
In reference to Daley, I thought Chicago politics had more of a reputation for being bare-knuckled and nasty, not necessarily corrupt.

At least lately.

For the most part, though there is still a fair amount of underhandedness going on.

I'll say this much, though. Politics in this state is never boring.

Originally posted by Peach
I was debating posting a thread about Blagojevich's arrest, actually.

The state of Illinois is simultaneously going "ABOUT DAMN TIME" and laughing our collective asses off. Even for a state known for corruption that's low. That article doesn't even include what's probably the worst thing in all of this - he threatened to cut $8 million in funding from a children's hospital in Chicago because the CEO didn't donate to his campaign. Said hospital? Is where my brother goes and my aunt works.

This article has a bit more info.

And at the same time, IL and the dems are trying to distance this thing from Obama as much as possible.

slate.com's daily podcast was about how Obama looks good during this

:shrug:

Originally posted by Strangelove
"The" Government?

There are literally tens of thousands of governments. Nation-states, commonwealths, republics, dictatorships, grand duchies, sultanates, kingdoms, empires, and at the levels of federal, state, province, region, county, municipality, city, town, village, and even tribes.

Pray tell, which one are you referring to?

The Secret World Government of course.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
And at the same time, IL and the dems are trying to distance this thing from Obama as much as possible.

Well, yeah. He's had nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by Peach
Well, yeah. He's had nothing to do with it.

So why did they to mention him at all? If he had nothing to with it, why did they immediately come out and say he had nothing to do with it?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So why did they to mention him at all? If he had nothing to with it, why did they immediately come out and say he had nothing to do with it? If they did that, I would assume because they figured that would be one of the major questions, seeing as the new President is a guy that had some power in that place.

Originally posted by Kennedyward
The governmet supposably controlls everything but they never do a good job. They also lie about most stuff, and somehow find ways of violating our constitutional rights. At least that's my crazy beleif
What about you guys?

Yet people want to give them more power and control over their lives...crazy.

The government doesn't have a lot of control in America.

****|ng crybabies.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
The government doesn't have a lot of control in America.

****|ng crybabies.

How does it not?

I mean, if you compare it to Nazi Germany, yeah, I guess, but the government still has major control over huge parts of its citizens life.

Originally posted by Bardock42
How does it not?

I mean, if you compare it to Nazi Germany, yeah, I guess, but the government still has major control over huge parts of its citizens life.

Are all schools, hospitals and retirement homes ran by the government?

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
Are all schools, hospitals and retirement homes ran by the government?

A random question, answer is obviously "no", the government does have quite a bit of control though.

Annoying you'd even ask such an unrelated question.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
Are all schools, hospitals and retirement homes ran by the government?

does the government aggregate to itself the ability to tell you what it is you can and cannot do, regardless of context or consent of involved parties?

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
The government doesn't have a lot of control in America.

****|ng crybabies.

Na, they just have measures of control over your body, what you can and can't do with your children, what drugs you can and can't do, when you can or can't drive, what you can and can't do with your pets and/or livestock etc. etc. etc. Na. not much control at all.

If you doubt me, drive with an expired license, while high on cocaine and drunk on gin, with your (unbuckled) children in the car while dragging your dog, who's lease is tied to the car's bumper and do runover chickens, goats and other small farm animals. Oh, and attempt to kill yourself afterwards, it's important you fail and the authorities are aware you tried.

Edit: Forgot to include, 'what you eat', is becoming an issue lately.

or, sit quietly in a park, not disturbing anyone, and smoke a joint

then enjoy 5 years in prison

Originally posted by inimalist
or, sit quietly in a park, not disturbing anyone, and smoke a joint

then enjoy 5 years in prison

Doesn't the buttsex counter the negatives though?

hey, I said enjoy it

Why even go that far, just don't pay taxes. Choose not to give any of YOUR money to the government, and see just how much control the government has over you.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So why did they to mention him at all? If he had nothing to with it, why did they immediately come out and say he had nothing to do with it? Blagojevich is the Governor, and former Congressman from Illinois. Barack Obama has been involved in Illinois politics for about 10 years.

You know that someone's going to try and use that to discredit Obama. Don't play dumb.

Originally posted by Strangelove
"The" Government?

There are literally tens of thousands of governments. Nation-states, commonwealths, republics, dictatorships, grand duchies, sultanates, kingdoms, empires, and at the levels of federal, state, province, region, county, municipality, city, town, village, and even tribes.

Pray tell, which one are you referring to?

I think rather than forms of government he was referring to the Government of his homeland...perhaps the system or the incumbent administration but its fairly easy to discuss both simultaneously.

That was fairly evident from the context of his post...



Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Those two claims seem contradictory.

I can have total control over an ant farm, but still run it terribly.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
I can have total control over an ant farm, but still run it terribly.

You're omniscient and have limitless telepathic powers?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You're omniscient and have limitless telepathic powers?

Did you ever doubt that?

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Did you ever doubt that?

Often.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Often.

Hmm, well Jean-Luc I don't know how I've given you reason to treat me so...

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
I think rather than forms of government he was referring to the Government of his homeland...perhaps the system or the incumbent administration but its fairly easy to discuss both simultaneously.

That was fairly evident from the context of his post... Possibly. But there are no clues in either his post or his profile about where he's from, so it's kind of hard to narrow your focus thusly.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Possibly. But there are no clues in either his post or his profile about where he's from, so it's kind of hard to narrow your focus thusly.

His bit about constitutional rights to me indicated the USA...of course other nations have constitutions but given the fact that most members here are from the States and no one harps on about their constitution as Americans...

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
His bit about constitutional rights to me indicated the USA...of course other nations have constitutions but given the fact that most members here are from the States and no one harps on about their constitution as Americans... No one in America "harps" on the Constitution except Libertarians and Dennis Kucinich.


And the Constitution Party, I suppose.

Originally posted by Strangelove
No one in America "harps" on the Constitution except Libertarians and Dennis Kucinich.


And the Constitution Party, I suppose. Nah, you people are notorious for suddenly bringing up something being unconstitutional, well, I guess not you socialist scum, as you want to destroy everything that made America great. But real Americans, do.

Originally posted by Strangelove
No one in America "harps" on the Constitution except Libertarians and Dennis Kucinich.


And the Constitution Party, I suppose.

And Ron Paul.

which brings up a good point

who the hell cares about the constitution at all? We should all just ignore it, because government does not need limits on its powers.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, you people are notorious for suddenly bringing up something being unconstitutional, well, I guess not you socialist scum, as you want to destroy everything that made America great. But real Americans, do. It's great when center-left policies get branded as socialist. Just dandy.

It annoys the actual socialists, I'm told.

Originally posted by inimalist
which brings up a good point

who the hell cares about the constitution at all? We should all just ignore it, because government does not need limits on its powers.

Originally posted by Strangelove
It's great when center-left policies get branded as socialist. Just dandy.

It annoys the actual socialists, I'm told.

2 Flies one Pie.

Or however that saying goes.

Originally posted by KakashiKun
The governmet supposably controlls everything but they never do a good job. They also lie about most stuff, and somehow find ways of violating our constitutional rights. At least that's my crazy beleif
What about you guys?

your belief is correct,its not crazy at all.thats a fact.