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No hammer for Thor. Who wins?

No hammer or no magic?

Is this just trading punches?

Thor still beats him down.

Hercules.

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Is this just trading punches? no, they can fight however they want

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
No hammer or no magic? just no hammer. anything else thor can do is fair game, but both fight in character.

No weapon for Thor but Herc gets his mace? how is that fair.

Originally posted by Starscream M
just no hammer. anything else thor can do is fair game, but both fight in character.

Then Thor assrapes him.

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
No weapon for Thor but Herc gets his mace? how is that fair. uh no, herc doesn't get anything. I stated no hammer for thor because he always carries it. Herc rarely uses his mace.

isnt herc both weaker and less durable

Originally posted by Starscream M
no, they can fight however they want Originally posted by Starscream M
just no hammer. anything else thor can do is fair game, but both fight in character.

herc ftw.

more skilled at h2h

Herc should win.

Originally posted by Starscream M
uh no, herc doesn't get anything. I stated no hammer for thor because he always carries it. Herc rarely uses his mace.

I dont follow Herc but I thought its standard EQ.

How the hell is Hercules supposed to win?

Thor can just fry him with lightning, or use his VASTLY superior durability.

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
I dont follow Herc but I thought its standard EQ. I don't follow him either but I rarely see him with the mace...anyways he doesn't get it for this fight

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
How the hell is Hercules supposed to win?

Thor can just fry him with lightning, or use his VASTLY superior durability.
and i think he's stronger aswell

Originally posted by jalek moye
and i think he's stronger aswell

Yeah, they stalemated physically.

Thor however has also stalemated with characters like Hulk who should be far stronger than Herc.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
How the hell is Hercules supposed to win?

Thor can just fry him with lightning, \

Shouldnt be allowed.

H2H Herc wins, Thor already admitted Herc was slightly his superior in that department but if Thor is allowed to use his more exotic powers he wins damn near every time.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
Yeah, they stalemated physically.

Thor however has also stalemated with characters like Hulk who should be far stronger than Herc. Why should Hulk be far stronger than Herc?

Originally posted by Mindset
Why should Hulk be far stronger than Herc?

Because he have owned him in nearly all they're fights.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Because he have owned him in nearly all they're fights. Can you list some of these fights?

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
\

Shouldnt be allowed.

That's why I asked if it was just punches or just Thor without his hammer.

Originally posted by tdazz
H2H Herc wins, Thor already admitted Herc was slightly his superior in that department but if Thor is allowed to use his more exotic powers he wins damn near every time.

Not a chance in hell.

Originally posted by jalek moye
and i think he's stronger aswell
Originally posted by Bada's Palin
Yeah, they stalemated physically.

Thor however has also stalemated with characters like Hulk who should be far stronger than Herc.
That's some of the stupidest reasoning I've ever heard.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin

Not a chance in hell.



http://img158.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=43110_Thor_Blood_Oath_34_02_122_1168lo.jpg&loc=loc1168

Originally posted by tdazz
http://img158.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=43110_Thor_Blood_Oath_34_02_122_1168lo.jpg&loc=loc1168





Yup Thor stated hand to hand Herc is better.

Next panel Thor zaps Hercules with a bolt of lighting wins.

Give Thor his hammer and herc is mac no other powers and imo Thor takes it.

Originally posted by Accel
That's some of the stupidest reasoning I've ever heard.

How so?

Thor was never angry whenever he fought Hercules. Like the Hulk, Thor's strength grows in accordance with his anger.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
How so?

Thor was never angry whenever he fought Hercules. Like the Hulk, Thor's strength grows in accordance with his anger. So does Herc's.

Remember his rampage when he was shot with the Hydra blood?

Originally posted by Mindset
So does Herc's.

Remember his rampage when he was shot with the Hydra blood?

This is true. Looks like they would stalemate until Thor reached warrior madness. Assuming it's strictly physical, if Thor wanted to he could just fry Hercules with lightning like he did the last time, when Herc had the upper hand.

Their respective strengths don't increase with anger. They just don't hold back as much. This applies to pretty much every top-tier character out there.

Originally posted by Accel
Their respective strengths don't increase with anger. They just don't hold back as much. This applies to pretty much every top-tier character out there. It applies to pretty much any character.

Originally posted by Mindset
It applies to pretty much any character.

Yup, especially "good" characters.

Originally posted by Accel
Their respective strengths don't increase with anger. They just don't hold back as much. This applies to pretty much every top-tier character out there.

That's the image I was going for.

Thor has the ability to take it to another level though, with his warrior madness.

Didnt WM had the Power Gem?

Originally posted by tdazz
http://img158.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=43110_Thor_Blood_Oath_34_02_122_1168lo.jpg&loc=loc1168





Do you know what happens in the next scan?

Something with lightning and Hercules.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
Do you know what happens in the next scan?

Something with lightning and Hercules.


Yes I do, which is why I said




You stated



The scan clearly shows Thor admitting Herc is his superior in h2h.

Originally posted by tdazz
Yes I do, which is why I said You stated


Unfortunately Hercules' slight edge in skill won't make up for Thor's ridiculous strength advantage once he goes into warrior madness. Hercules won't beat him. Thor was there to get the pig back and beat some sense into Hercules, in an actual battle Thor would end up killing him.

The title says 'slugfest.' People who are considering lightning and other such powers...why?


Hercules wins.

Originally posted by Enyalus
The title says 'slugfest.' People who are considering lightning and other such powers...why?


Hercules wins.

Because I asked Starscream if it was "no magic" or "no hammer" and he said no hammer.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
Because I asked Starscream if it was "no magic" or "no hammer" and he said no hammer.

Meh. OP says right off the bat, no hammer for Thor. And the title says slugfest. To me that implies H2H.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Meh. OP says right off the bat, no hammer for Thor. And the title says slugfest. To me that implies H2H.

Doesn't matter, Thor takes it 10 out of 10 either way, be it plain hand to hand or magic allowed.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
Unfortunately Hercules' slight edge in skill won't make up for Thor's ridiculous strength advantage once he goes into warrior madness. Hercules won't beat him. Thor was there to get the pig back and beat some sense into Hercules, in an actual battle Thor would end up killing him.


Once he goes into WM? You say this as if it's one of his regular battle tactics. Why wouldn't he have used it in all his battles then, like when he was getting stomped by Kurse, Mangog, Thanos, etc. What makes you so sure he will be doing it here?



And Hercules was drunk, in an actual h2h he would be even more superior to Thor.

Originally posted by tdazz
Once he goes into WM? You say this as if it's one of his regular battle tactics. Why wouldn't he have used it in all his battles then, like when he was getting stomped by Kurse, Mangog, Thanos, etc. What makes you so sure he will be doing it here?

It's a part of Thor's powerset, go check out the rules before discussing stupid things like this. Flash doesn't usually automatically beat the shit out everyone before a second has passed, but he can still do it.

He didn't do it against Mangog or Thanos because (If you read avengers often enough, you'd know this) he was too human at the time. He mentioned during the Onslaught Saga that he was temporarily without the ability to invoke the ancient warrior madness.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
It's a part of Thor's powerset, go check out the rules before discussing stupid things like this. Flash doesn't usually automatically beat the shit out everyone before a second has passed, but he can still do it.

He didn't do it against Mangog or Thanos because (If you read avengers often enough, you'd know this) he was too human at the time. He mentioned during the Onslaught Saga that he was temporarily without the ability to invoke the ancient warrior madness.


So because it's a part of his powerset it makes it valid even though he never ever does it? That doesn't make sense. I mean, to say he might pull it out once or twice I'd understand but to say he'd stomp 10/10 because of it is laughable. Check the rules? The rules state they fight in character, is it in character for Thor to go into WM in every single fight? Especially against a friend? Personally I don't think so, but to each their own.

Immortal Hercules fared pretty well against mindless Hulk.

herc is slighty better. but thor is stronger and much more durable. he wins based on physical stats

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
Do you know what happens in the next scan?

Something with lightning and Hercules.

... Hercules was drunk!

Originally posted by Mindset
Can you list some of these fights?

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IncredibleHulk107-0020.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IncredibleHulk107-021.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IncredibleHulk107-023.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IncredibleHulk107-0024.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IncredibleHulk107-0025.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkholdingbackagainsthercules.jpg


This is at least one.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IncredibleHulk107-0020.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IncredibleHulk107-021.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IncredibleHulk107-023.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IncredibleHulk107-0024.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IncredibleHulk107-0025.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkholdingbackagainsthercules.jpg


This is at least one. Your proof is a fight where Herc doesn't want to fight and a Hulk that is stronger than any one Thor has faced?

Do you remember why Hulk was brought up?

Originally posted by Mindset
Your proof is a fight where Herc doesn't want to fight and a Hulk that is stronger than any one Thor has faced?

Do you remember why Hulk was brought up?

Herc has a pretty good track record against the Hulk hasn't he? But I've never seen him stand and physically stalemate, usually Herc uses skill to keep Hulk on his toes?

Originally posted by tdazz
So because it's a part of his powerset it makes it valid even though he never ever does it? That doesn't make sense. I mean, to say he might pull it out once or twice I'd understand but to say he'd stomp 10/10 because of it is laughable. Check the rules? The rules state they fight in character, is it in character for Thor to go into WM in every single fight? Especially against a friend? Personally I don't think so, but to each their own.

The same tactic is viable every single time. Hercules and Thor won't be able to drop eachother with a couple of punches, it would take a long time. Hercules and Thor can both survive ridiculous wounds such as losing an arms, muscles ripped and still keep on going. In an incident where these two really wanted to win, they would keep on pushing eachother and in the end Thor would get so mad that it would snap, and bam. Hercules is dead.

On KMC the characters use their abilities to their full extent. Thor has the ability to invoke the warrior madness. Continue discussing this if you want, but once more and it's ignore...

When did Thor "invoke" warrior madness....
I thought he has been afflicted with it like it was a disease and not a skill like barbarian rage in diablo/dnd

Wasn't that the issue where Odin battles thanos when thanos was actually trying to help?
Or when surfer tries to hold back Thor? Without hurting him?

I remember one issue where Odin said since Thor didn't have true warrior madness he believed e could cure his son...

Originally posted by Nihilist
herc ftw.

more skilled at h2h

That's what I was thinking. Unless Hercules is extremely drunk, I don't see Thor outlasting him if it comes down to a wrestling match.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
Unfortunately Hercules' slight edge in skill won't make up for Thor's ridiculous strength advantage once he goes into warrior madness. Hercules won't beat him. Thor was there to get the pig back and beat some sense into Hercules, in an actual battle Thor would end up killing him.
Right, right. You mean Thor's strength advantage that... doesn't exist.

Originally posted by Mindset
Your proof is a fight where Herc doesn't want to fight and a Hulk that is stronger than any one Thor has faced?

Do you remember why Hulk was brought up?

Could use the time where Hulk was beating the crap out of him, Namor, Iron Man and Wonderman, but this story always come back, I wanted to use something different.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin

The same tactic is viable every single time. Hercules and Thor won't be able to drop eachother with a couple of punches, it would take a long time. Hercules and Thor can both survive ridiculous wounds such as losing an arms, muscles ripped and still keep on going. In an incident where these two really wanted to win, they would keep on pushing eachother and in the end Thor would get so mad that it would snap, and bam. Hercules is dead.

On KMC the characters use their abilities to their full extent. Thor has the ability to invoke the warrior madness. Continue discussing this if you want, but once more and it's ignore...


Oh no, not ignore, whatever will I do.


Characters use their abilities to their full extent but still fight in character. These fights aren't based entirely on powersets. Thor never goes into WM so saying all of a sudden he will use it in every fight is out of character, so it's not viable. Exactly how many times in his 40+ year history has he been in WM? How many times has he willingly gone into WM to win a fight? Like I said if you said 1, 2 times outta 10 maybe but to say he will do it 10/10 when I can count on 1 hand the amount of times he's been in it in forty years is a joke.

Go ahead you can put me on ignore now.

Post it

Originally posted by Accel
Right, right. You mean Thor's strength advantage that... doesn't exist.

Once Thor goes into warriror madness his strength increases tenfold :/

Not really, but thanks for playing.

in a recent issue, thor was sort of losing to herc in a hand to hand fight, thor even stated "it is herculese after all". but while thor was getting choked or something, he created a lightning bolt without mjolnir that gave him the win.

herc

Thor wins imo.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
in a recent issue, thor was sort of losing to herc in a hand to hand fight, thor even stated "it is herculese after all". but while thor was getting choked or something, he created a lightning bolt without mjolnir that gave him the win.

The issue is "Thor Blood-oath "

Thor is pure brawler. Hercules is a brawler plus Greco roman wrestling champion.

Thor lifted the Midgard serpent hercules lifted the earth itself...or was it the sky...

Without his magic Thor would lose in my opinion. But since the match seems to handicap hercules more than thor by letting Thor still have his magic... Thor wins this match

Originally posted by psycho gundam
in a recent issue, thor was sort of losing to herc in a hand to hand fight, thor even stated "it is herculese after all". but while thor was getting choked or something, he created a lightning bolt without mjolnir that gave him the win.

It's not recent, but that's what happened.

Also, apparently Zeus has a greater control over lightning than Thor.

I'm to lazy right know to get the scans, but I'll bookmark this page and get around to posting the fight.

Originally posted by Mr. Funktastic
I'm to lazy right know to get the scans, but I'll bookmark this page and get around to posting the fight.

I posted it in Thor's respect thread a couple of months ago.

Here you go , complete fight.

1. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/1.jpg
2. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/2.jpg
3. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/3.jpg
4. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/4.jpg
5. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/5.jpg
6. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/6.jpg
7. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/7.jpg
8. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/8.jpg
9. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/9.jpg
10. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/10.jpg
11. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/11.jpg
12. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/12.jpg
13. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/13.jpg
14. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/14.jpg
15. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/15.jpg
16. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/16.jpg
17. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/17.jpg
18. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/18.jpg

Warrior Madness might be moot now. Current Thor could amp his strength now with Odinforce/Thorforce.

Thor has absolutely no strength and durability adventage against hercules. warrior madness is a plot device and thor have never used it again apart from that arc.
Hercules is just as strong if not stronger than thor, and the same goes for durability. and people need to reed blood oaths again yes thor summon lightning at the end of the fight but people seems to be forgetting that both herc and thor was hurt by the lightning and how can you guys say thor win absolutely when on the next panel hercules was up and he say thor cheated getting out of the choke hold. to be defeated you should be killed,KO, or unable to cont the fight and hercules was neither any of the three. Plus is nearly invulenable to energy attack. he survive kovac first attack while thor was thor, he survive been attack by the beyonder energy blast, he is totally immure to warlock karma blast, he walk through the possessor energy attack like it was nothing and recenty in secret invasion was saw ajak head exploding after been attack by the skrull skyfather, and hercules walk through his energy attack like it was nothing and force him into a slugfest and took the advantage in that fight. thor may have lightning but that is not going to ko herc he is going to force thor in a slugfest and beat him

Originally posted by Mr. Funktastic
Here you go , complete fight.

1. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/1.jpg
2. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/2.jpg
3. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/3.jpg
4. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/4.jpg
5. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/5.jpg
6. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/6.jpg
7. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/7.jpg
8. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/8.jpg
9. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/9.jpg
10. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/10.jpg
11. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/11.jpg
12. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/12.jpg
13. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/13.jpg
14. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/14.jpg
15. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/15.jpg
16. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/16.jpg
17. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/17.jpg
18. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr18/paladin12345/18.jpg yeah, that fight.

In pure physical combat this is a great match but i still give it to herc with no outside interference. And im takeing nothing away from thor either.



This includes lightning bolts P