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This hasn't been done for a while (if ever), so I'm interested in what the new consensus might be.

1. Saber
2. Force
3. All out

Saber: Dooku
Force: Caedus
All Out: Blood bath - Caedus lost an arm to Jaina, but was still combat worthy. Dooku lost both his hands to Anakin after a brief, but spectacular duel. Personally, I'm not sure who would come out on top, but I'd have to say a very even match.

um.. Caedus. He has shatterpoint and is Windu's equal in saber combat.. then he has all these force powers like slapping someone in the stomach and zapping them with force lightning.
He took out a jedi party single handedly.
He was a match for LOTF Luke Skywalker.
He is the lord of pain (jk) second to darth sion

and i think Caedus' force lightning is more powerful than dooku's lightning

Anakin was able to catch it on his lightsaber CW (i read the book) and Obi1 also

Jaina couldn't catch Caedus' lightning

He could pretend to use lightning and cause ppl to misanticipate like in inferno where he faked using lightning and threw something else at luke.

like the enemy/jedi would prepare for a lightning blast but something else unexpected happens.

crap. I thought I clicked the edit button on the first post..

Didn't Luke kick his ass in LOTF "Inferno" after seeing Ben being tortured? Even Caedus admitted that "Luke was the one swordsman in the galaxy he would never challange" (I hope I got the text right, but correct if I'm wrong).

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Didn't Luke kick his ass in LOTF "Inferno" after seeing Ben being tortured? Even Caedus admitted that "Luke was the one swordsman in the galaxy he would never challange" (I hope I got the text right, but correct if I'm wrong).
Luke was the one the one who was winning the duel but it wasn't exactly an "all out ass kicking" and Luke nearly died at one point, though this was after he had a shot to kill Caedus but didn't because Ben, so the duel continued and Caedus would get an advantage at one point.

For the record I'd give all 3 to Caedus.

Dooku it seems to me was more of a finesse lightsaber duelist. Jacen from LOTF uses a more powerful form, but it expends energy quickly. So what if Jacen knew shatterpoint? A patient and calculated swordsman knows excatly when and where to strike. Force wise, Dooku is no match. Saber wise, it would go to Dooku. Well, that's my opinion.

Here is why I'd give the win in saber combat to Caedus and not Dooku.

In his duel with Luke he was able to contend with him and almost killed at one point even before the duel started Ben had already tried to assassinate him with his lightsaber and managed to stab him in the ribs. In the duel he and Luke were described as moving as "blurs."

As a teenager he was able to out duel vong warriors with absolutely
no use of the force, not even on himself, which gives the Vong a big strength and maybe even the speed advantage over a normal human.

He survived a 4v1 attack in which he outdueled Kyle Katarn and at one he would have cut off Katarn's leg had another not made the save, then he would decapitate one of those jedi as well injuring Katarn (via his superior battle awareness compared to all 4 oppenents and force use. ) It is also worth noting that he wasn't even fully healed from his previous fight from Luke yet.

Even after he let Jaina take his useless arm ( I believe it was either that or his throat since he couldn't avoid the attack) he gave her beating during the first duel that Jaina noted that The loss of an arm did not seem to faze him. During their second duel which started by a completely blindsided stab through Caedus's stomach, he almost killed(still with one arm) Jaina and maybe could have taken her with him if he had not decided to stop fighting and warn Tenel Ka of the nanovirus. During their second duel Jaina, noted multiple times that she couldn't believe that Caedus was still fighting after all the wounds he received.

Then he has the age advantage over Dooku,his use of the shatterpoint technique, mastery of Aing-Tii fighting style and the fact that he can take incredible amount of pain that is only surpassed by Darth Sion as far as force users are concerned,leads me to believe that he wins the saber duel.

Valid points Elite Hunter. Very valid points, but all lightsaber forms have a weakness. You must admit that - even Vaapad and Juyo have weaknesses. If using Shatterpoint you can see a weakness yes? But the real question is, "how do I exploit that weakness?" The swordsman may suddenly change tactics on you or switch to another Form. Or he or she may be lulling you into a trap (see Episode I). Maul used the broken lightsaber into making Obi-Wan believe he had the upperhand. Then came the Force push and over the edge he went. That's what I mean by calm and calculated.

Caedus knew when he was ambushed by Jaina, that that first lightsaber wound was probably mortal. He was also hampered by the cut tendon. If a tendon on a leg is severed or damaged, then you're in serious trouble.

On to Kyle Katarn - his angle of attack was predictable. Eliminate Caedus. When you raise the topic of Vong warriors and assassins, didn't Anakin do the same? Rebuttal?

Excellent thread Red. As for the battle i see Caedus taking it. Kotorfan did a good job of telling why.

to Darth Truculent

um about the shatterpoint exploting thing..

In ROTS when Mace used the shatterpoint against Palpy, he figured out that palpy didn't want to take the fight near the edge of the window because he was somehow scared. Thats why Windu shattered the glass window and defeated Palpy. Read the ROTS novel it says.

Caedus by far was the strongest (except for Revan save my opinion), but at the same time weakest Sith. Did he kill his Master to claim the title of Dark Lord of the Sith? No. Lumiya was killed at the hands of Luke and Lumiya wasn't really a true Sith either if you think about it. Tahiri was a pathetic excuse for an apprentice. Sure she could summon Force lightning, but so can Jaina and Zekk. Caedus did not exploit his power to its fullest extent. I do not mean that Force wise, I mean that politically. The only one who did that Sidious. Caedus had distractions: Tenel Ka and Allana - those surely should have been the real sacrifices, not Mara. Caedus had to cheat to kill Mara. Boba Fett even said so in Invincible "you aunt nearly handed the barves backside to him."

Anyway, back to my point. Caedus let his feelings for Tenel Ka and his daughter get in the way.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Valid points Elite Hunter. Very valid points,
Thank you.


Probably, yes.


Also true, for Dooku I believe is obvious weakness is he age/stamina, in ROTS he was able to rejuvenate himself at one point yet when Anakin went on the offensive he couldn't do it again. Then Makashi users (and Dooku cause of his age) have hard time dealing with powerful strikes from forms such as Djem So. I can see Caedus exploiting this weakness.


Very true, yet we I don't believe that there is enough evidence to say that Dooku would entirely switch forms in a duel if he is losing, like he was in ROTS or against Yoda. It is rather obvious that Dooku heavily favors Makashi.



Obwian did have the upper hand originally but Maul was feeding on on "fed" off Obiwan and was gaining strength while Obiwan was losing his, so caused Obiwan to tire himself out.




Which duel are you referring to? The first or second? Regardless it does not excuse the pain and the fact that he still kept pushing himself to fight as hard as possible where other force users would go down. It is stated that in Inferno right after Luke stabbed Caedus in and his blade touched his kidney, that "Even that small wound would have left most humans paralyzed with agony. But Jacen thrived on pain, fed on it to make himself stronger and faster. He simply completed his pivot and landed a rib-crunching roundhouse." This is basically pointed out in multiple duels that one stab,slash or even amputation(which have ended other duels in the past) wont finish Caedus, I don't see Dooku being able last long enough to land multiple hits.



What point are you trying to make? Caedus outdueled Katarn twice and was going to severe his leg in the first half of the duel before another jedi got his saber in between Katarn's leg and Jacen's blade.


I don't recall Anakin either A) willingly not use the force in combat, not even to augment his own abilities to become stronger or faster. or B) not being able to touch the force like Jacen was in Traitor.

Um no, sidious is by far is the strongest sith, not caedus and not that dick head revan.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Um no, sidious is by far is the strongest sith, not caedus and not that dick head revan.

Erm, no one here said otherwise

EDIT: @ DT, I will respond to your next post tomorrow.

Elite Hunter are you sure you're not a lawyer? Lol. Lame excuse for a joke, but you make very excellent arguments.

Dooku heavily favors Makashi. That is a well known fact, but a good lightsaber artist would master at least three others. On my point of angle of attack that is "predictable" - each fighter has an objective right? Defeat your opponent, but if you continually use the same lightsaber form, then others and your opponent will understand how you fight. There are probably many times that Caedus had seen Kyle in action during the Vong War.

Mortal Wound: Thrived on pain yes, but the human body can only take so much damage. Even with the Force, he would have eventually have died from that wound (without medical attention). Sion was killed if you remember, but that's a different story.

Thank you for the discussion Elite Hunter. I look forward to talking to you more in the future.

DT good points. I didn't think of some of them.

also to whoever.. Ben stabbed Jacen in the back with a vibroblade, and Luke stabbed him in the kidney. Those should be mortal right? so I don't think in Caedus' case that a stab to the stomach would be a mortal wound probably due to his accelerated healing and pain tolerance.

In a saber duel, Dooku would lose because of Caedus' shatterpoint ability and he would know that Dooku can't take powerful strikes, and beat him similar to what anakin did. Caedus wouldn't decide to win since he is on the dark side. He would simply just win.

In a Force duel, Caedus would win also because of his increased threshold of pain tolerance and overall power in the force.

Actually it's :
Dooku can't take Anakin's powerful strikes, because Anakin one of the most powerful Djem So user. It's Anakin's powerful strikes, not just a mere power strike.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Erm, no one here said otherwise


"Caedus by far was the strongest (except for Revan save my opinion), but at the same time weakest Sith"

Your wrong hun.

I don't think using Caedus' 4v1 victory is legitimate because the Jedi weren't trying to kill him.

Oh yea they were just trying to get the tracking device on him weren't they?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I don't think using Caedus' 4v1 victory is legitimate because the Jedi weren't trying to kill him.
So they are not going to take the opportunity if presented to detain him or possibly even kill him. Also it's not like the jedi weren't going all out and Katarn let Caedus nearly amputate his leg or impale him towards the end of the battle.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
"Caedus by far was the strongest (except for Revan save my opinion), but at the same time weakest Sith"

Your wrong hun.

I'll take your word for it because for someone I can't see that post but yeah that post in not right as Sids>Caedus and Revan.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
So they are not going to take the opportunity if presented to detain him or possibly even kill him. Also it's not like the jedi weren't going all out and Katarn let Caedus nearly amputate his leg or impale him towards the end of the battle.

Unless you can prove otherwise, their only goal was to set a trap for him, not to kill him.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Elite Hunter are you sure you're not a lawyer? .

I got my license terminated for taking bribes from Cosa Nostra.


He did know more than just Makashi, it is widely believed that he at the very least had a working knowledge of all the forms. (save Vapaad) Problem is that Dooku rarely switches if ever switches forms in a duel. In ROTS after Dooku was caught by surprise that Obiwan and Anakin were masters of Soresu and Djem So respectfully, he didn't change forms despite the fact that he was facing two of the weaknesses in the duel. He was facing multiple opponents and Anakin was using Djem So which means he is generating power strikes that Makashi can't handle yet he did not switched saber styles despite the realization that he may in fact lose to the duo. I see no reason why he would switch forms vs Caedus.


Of course this could happen eventually.


Actually I don't believe they were on the same battlefield all that often, then you have to take into account that Jacen left to travel the galaxy for 5 years after the war,Kyle wasn't all that involved in the Dark Nest Trilogy and they didn't fight with each other in the Second Galactic Civil War. Then the same thing could be said for Kyle about Caedus seeing each other in action, it works both ways. The fact of the matter is in Fury, Caedus outdueled Kyle and almost amputated Kyle's leg if another jedi didn't get his saber in the way.



If it was a mortal wound(which I don't recall the first wound to be) than that would make it even more impressive that he still fought so well that Jaina she needed to enter a bacta tank afterwards.



Sion literally let himself be talked to death not via a lightsaber wound.

Now how exactly will Dooku be able to contend, a more physically fit and younger opponent?

Someone who can take tremendous amounts of punishment that would leave others unable fight yet he would still openly engage fighters of the caliber of Luke Skywalker and Jaina Solo, he wasn't even a 100% when out dueled Kyle Katarn and the other jedi with him. His own twin was shocked just how much punishment Caedus could take in a fight yet he still almost killed her in both duels despite both of her surprise attacks.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Unless you can prove otherwise, their only goal was to set a trap for him, not to kill him.

So you think because their mission was to place a tracer on Caedus, that the 4 jedi are going to fight anything less then there best. I don't see logic in that because they could end up dead by not fighting to their fullest. So I don't see how it wasn't legitimate.

This sort reminds of the first Mace-Vastor where Mace picked a fight that he couldn't win but still fought to his fullest and lost.

With respect, Elite, that's a terrible comparison to make. Darth Sexy is quite right, the strike team's priority was not to slay Caedus, but to put a tracer on him -- the Jedi aren't willing to assassinate Caedus until the beginning of Invincible. Does that mean that Kyle and company were restrained totally or significantly? No. But as someone who is a relatively accomplished martial arist, I can tell you from experience that your capability in combat depends heavily on how far and how much you are willing to damage your opponent.

Take Yoda's duel with Dooku and compare it to his subsequent duel with Sidious. On the face of it, both ended in stalemates, with one of the parties retreating at the end. Does that mean, then, that Count Dooku would perform as well against his Master as Yoda did? No. It was plainly evident that Yoda's priority was not to kill his former student. He visibly hesitated more than once to attack him with the Force during the opening salvo and he allowed Dooku to flee. Does that mean that Yoda's saber swings weren't as fast or as strong? No. We saw that he went into full Ataru mode, bashing at Dooku's defenses with abandon. But his heart wasn't in it. He wasn't going to take the strike when the time came. In contrast, he sneaks into the Chancellor's lower office to murder Palpatine -- to commit regicide. There is no demand on Yoda's part for the Emperor to surrender; like Jaina to Jacen in the last LotF book, it wasn't an option. The Sith had to die, period. Which is why, if Yoda had ever faced Dooku in such a manner, his old padawan wouldn't last too long.

The desire to kill plays a tremendous role.

Well the trap for Caedus was intended to look like an assassination attempt I think. They had to make it look good. I'm not saying that they could have just killed him right there, though.

Also, I believe Mace would have killed Kar Vastor in their fist-fight if he wanted to, but the book contradicts itself on that whole thing.

Originally posted by Gideon
With respect, Elite, that's a terrible comparison to make. Darth Sexy is quite right, the strike team's priority was not to slay Caedus, but to put a tracer on him -- the Jedi aren't willing to assassinate Caedus until the beginning of Invincible. Does that mean that Kyle and company were restrained totally or significantly? No.

I understand what you are getting at. But I would like your opinion on a few quotes from the battle after Katarn was incapacitated. That may suggest their mindstate was changing or at least for Mithric, who Caedus would eventually kill.

No, no, no. ... The words rang in her head and were echoed by Mithric. The Falleen Jedi howled as he charged Solo, his anguish giving him speed and strength as he threw blow after blow at his enemy......

Now the three Jedi Knights assailed Solo all-out, a fight they were doomed to lose. Seha could not save them. Her tasks were accomplished. She should leave before Colonel Solo detected her.

This is the main one of interest to me, it says that they were attacking him "all out" does that mean they were still continuing with the plan and had "reservations" to kill him? (as in your dook-yoda example)

Seha saw the Jedi exchanging words. Valin spun away from the engagement with Jacen and moved toward the one sighted trooper. That man fired again and Valin deflected the bolt with his lightsaber-deflected it straight toward Jacen. The improvised attack evidently came as a surprise: The bolt grazed Jacen's right leg, sending him to his knee. Mithric redoubled his attack, hammering away at Jacen's defense like a toolsmith on a primitive world battering away at a stubborn harvester droid......

Caedus hadn't felt the blaster bolt coming. His concentration was slipping.

And this madman of a Falleen Jedi was starting to beat down his parries. His strength was slipping.

He wasn't yet recovered from his duel with Luke. And now, as more of his troopers began firing, Horn began deflecting more bolts at him. The imprecise, barely aimed nature of the attacks worked in Horn's favor. The shots were unpredictable and Caedus had to divide his attention be-tween a mad swordsman and a growing number of half-blind snipers.

But he was still the best lightsaber swordsman around-excepting possibly Luke, perhaps the best there ever had been.

Caedus waited until the timing was perfect, waited until an incoming bolt arrived at the same moment as one of Mithric's attacks so he could devote a single maneuver to both. He caught Mithric's blow toward the hilt of his lightsaber. He caught the bolt near the tip, deflecting it up and straight into Mithric's chest.

Mithric staggered back, the center of his chest blackened, as the smell of burned skin and meat filled the air. Caedus leapt up and executed a single, precise lateral blow.

Mithric's head fell from his shoulders. His body toppled down half a second later.



Based on these passages, it sounds like Mithric was thinking "to hell with this mission."


What martial art(s) do you practice?


I understand what you are saying and I will look at your example for future reference.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
"Caedus by far was the strongest (except for Revan save my opinion), but at the same time weakest Sith"

Your wrong hun.

what? oxymoron..

Taekwondo.

Originally posted by kotorfan
what? oxymoron..

DT was pointing out that while Caedus was one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time, he failed to achieve his goals. What he failed to realize that only Sidious accomplished the Sith's goals entirely. So, while it was a valid observation, it wasn't particularly insightful.

The statement was not an oxymoron. It could have been phrased better though.

oh ok. thx for explaining it to me.

Originally posted by Gideon
Taekwondo. Tkd sucks, go for muay thai and then murder BOOG.

It's true.

TKD is the diet-pepsi of the Martial Arts world. It's what all the single mothers enroll their fat ten year old kids in for excersize.

Muay Thai is scary.

But karate FTW.

1. Karate
2. Wu Shu
3. Tae Kwon Do
4. Silat

I learnt those martial arts, and mastered karate and silat. That's because of my country's culture.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Tkd sucks, go for muay thai and then murder BOOG.

Where's BOOG? I'm kinda interested in the job.

Getting back to the original topic...

I have my own personal bias, of course, but unbiased I still know that Caedus would beat Dooku in all three, though sabers only would be difficult.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
It's true.

TKD is the diet-pepsi of the Martial Arts world. It's what all the single mothers enroll their fat ten year old kids in for excersize. QFT. I quit after hitting purple belt inside of a year - because I was awesome - and then realizing that it was relatively useless to me.

I'm interested in eskrima, personally, but as far as functionality goes you can't really get much better than western boxing and muay thai, with a little bit of judo or jiu-jitsu thrown in. The latter two would be more useful for gaining an understanding of leverage so that you can apply your own knowledge to standing situations; going on the ground in an actual fight, where chances are there're multiple people present, is stupid.

And Gideon, I'm curious as to what belt or dan you are in TKD. Labeling yourself as "accomplished" would suggest that you're fairly high up.

I tested to either one above brown or one above purple (I can't remember which one is higher) and then quit: I just had to get one belt higher than my older brother.

Originally posted by Faunus
And Gideon, I'm curious as to what belt or dan you are in TKD. Labeling yourself as "accomplished" would suggest that you're fairly high up.

"Relative," you Jew. And I was a brown belt when I quit for good a couple of months ago. As far as sparring goes, I'm a god. As far as forms and actual technique go, I suck more cock than your mother. Which is to say, a lot.

Originally posted by Faunus
QFT. I quit after hitting purple belt inside of a year - because I was awesome - and then realizing that it was relatively useless to me.

I'm interested in eskrima, personally, but as far as functionality goes you can't really get much better than western boxing and muay thai, with a little bit of judo or jiu-jitsu thrown in. The latter two would be more useful for gaining an understanding of leverage so that you can apply your own knowledge to standing situations; going on the ground in an actual fight, where chances are there're multiple people present, is stupid.

Muay Thai is- from what I know of it- definitely the best 'practical' martial art. Boxing is, in general, the best form of street-type fighting, because when you get into an actual confrontation, your best bet is using the simplest fighting method conceivable- it's generally the fastest and most efficient. A punch to the nose is probably better than a complex grab/throw/arm-breaking technique, at least until you're an uber black belt.

Fighting's about hurting the other guy, not looking fancy. And it doesn't get better than Muay Thai and similar stuff.

That being said, though, karate is still freakin' awesome, even if half the stuff we learn can't exactly be executed in a practical confrontation.

Most fights tend to end in wild punches. Hell, my master (not Publius, notice the lowercase 'm' -- he's not nearly as dangerous) told us all -- in broken English -- that one should always seek the practical solution for a fight: use the environment and go for the groin. Honor is a myth.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Muay Thai is- from what I know of it- definitely the best 'practical' martial art. Boxing is, in general, the best form of street-type fighting, because when you get into an actual confrontation, your best bet is using the simplest fighting method conceivable- it's generally the fastest and most efficient. A punch to the nose is probably better than a complex grab/throw/arm-breaking technique, at least until you're an uber black belt.

Fighting's about hurting the other guy, not looking fancy. And it doesn't get better than Muay Thai and similar stuff.

That being said, though, karate is still freakin' awesome, even if half the stuff we learn can't exactly be executed in a practical confrontation.

Hm? What makes you say that? Kumite doesn't agree with you, you know.

Originally posted by Ultimate Vader
Where's BOOG? I'm kinda interested in the job. In florida.

Originally posted by Gideon
Most fights tend to end in wild punches. Hell, my master (not Publius, notice the lowercase 'm' -- he's not nearly as dangerous) told us all -- in broken English -- that one should always seek the practical solution for a fight: use the environment and go for the groin. Honor is a myth.

I had a fight with this guy at my class. More wrestling than anything, really. We were pretty much at a lock, so my masta told me to crush his balls. I had a little dignity left, so I just choked him, but yeah, the idea is that the simplest things often cause the most damage.

Vader, in kumite, the most employed technique is the simple 'punch n' slide' movement; bend your knee, reach forward, and hit the other guy in the gut. Second to that is kicks, usually to roughly shoulder area.

Most movements are fast, simple, and efficient; only the top-tier kinda guys employ fancy movements that actually work.

Besides, if this guy comes at you on the street, you're not going to bother with complex and artsy movements.

Originally posted by Ultimate Vader
Hm? What makes you say that? Kumite doesn't agree with you, you know.

jeet kune do is

and Bruce Lee is the best xD

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Tkd sucks, go for muay thai and then murder BOOG.
thats ur opinion.. other ppl are entitled to their opinions also. I personally think tkd is better than karate and kung fu is better than tkd. just imo.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
I had a fight with this guy at my class. More wrestling than anything, really. We were pretty much at a lock, so my masta told me to crush his balls. I had a little dignity left, so I just choked him, but yeah, the idea is that the simplest things often cause the most damage.

Vader, in kumite, the most employed technique is the simple 'punch n' slide' movement; bend your knee, reach forward, and hit the other guy in the gut. Second to that is kicks, usually to roughly shoulder area.

Most movements are fast, simple, and efficient; only the top-tier kinda guys employ fancy movements that actually work.

Besides, if this guy comes at you on the street, you're not going to bother with complex and artsy movements.

Hm... In my country, kumite doesn't work like that. There are spinning kick, fake punch, double-kick, jump kick, even grab and lock and even more.

Originally posted by kotorfan
thats ur opinion.. other ppl are entitled to their opinions also. I personally think tkd is better than karate and kung fu is better than tkd. just imo. Dude, Iv seen in newspaper reports about TKD blackbelts being mauled to death by a thug on the street as well as a lady, with 7 years of TKD experience getting brutally raped by another thug and then murdered afterwards.

Originally posted by Ultimate Vader
Hm... In my country, kumite doesn't work like that. There are spinning kick, fake punch, double-kick, jump kick, even grab and lock and even more.

Sure, we can use spin kick, fake punch, and jump kick. It's just that it's really freakin' intense here, so we usually take the fastest and most efficient course of action.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Muay Thai is- from what I know of it- definitely the best 'practical' martial art.

Correct.



Certain Martial Arts include both, actually. Looking fancy and kicking the shit out of the other guy at the same time is t3h Pwnz0r. And possible. Although, one can only do that if he/she's become extremely experienced in not one, but several Martial Arts.

What if a TKD black belt fights John Cena? Who do you think will win?

Depends if its a "real" black belt, if it is one of those ub3r experienced masters, cena is going to have his roided muscles pop and he is going to be having secks with his own thighs.

Originally posted by Cpt. Valerian
Correct.

Muay Thai is badass. If I were to have my martial arts experience erased and have to choose to start off fresh, I'd probably take Muay Thai.



Originally posted by Cpt. Valerian
Certain Martial Arts include both, actually. Looking fancy and kicking the shit out of the other guy at the same time is t3h Pwnz0r. And possible. Although, one can only do that if he/she's become extremely experienced in not one, but several Martial Arts.

Yeah, imagine if a guy whirlwinds another dude's head off. Practical + fancy = win.

I've done 9 years in karate and I still can't beat another guy while looking fancy. And it's not because I suck (I actually got number two in a national tournament).

Notice how I said one needs to be experienced in not one, but several Martial Arts to be able to do so. Trust me. I know so because I've done so. I've done many different Martial Arts since I'm four, and even though I still have much to learn, I do consider myself a master.

So... should I call you Sensei Valerian?

Originally posted by Cpt. Valerian
I've done many different Martial Arts since I'm four

Why would you call him sensei? He is only 4.

It can be said like that...

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
So... should I call you Sensei Valerian?

Of course.

Originally posted by Ultimate Vader
What if a TKD black belt fights John Cena? Who do you think will win?

John Cena would get all his 12 year old fans to fight for him.

Originally posted by Cpt. Valerian
It can be said like that...



Of course.

I'd ask you to call me Master Crimzon, but hey... that's actually my real name! Sweet!

And a four year old black belt pwnz John Cena.

i have 2 questions and forgive me if they have already been commented on 1. does anyone think dookus hook handled saber would give cadeus any trouble. 2. has cadeus ever had any knowledge of or experience fighting with or against a hook handled saber.

Good old fashion Improvisation rules all fighting styles. Oh and Dooku takes this fight.

John cena sucks cock.

Whats his number?

911

867-5309

man if u like John Cena you are either

1. Mentally challenged
2. High as a kite
3. Not in your right mind
4. Are easily impressed

If you like phony "professional" wrestling you are either:


1. Mentally challenged
2. High as a kite
3. Not in your right mind
4. Are easily impressed

Apparently, if you like Finding Nemo you are either:


1. Mentally challenged
2. High as a kite
3. Not in your right mind
4. Easily impressed
5. Homosexual



















This was news to me. I was unimpressed by these allegations, however, because I DO WHAT I WANT.

Anyone into Kali or Krav Maga?

Originally posted by Gaevus Mesias
man if u like John Cena you are either

1. Mentally challenged
2. High as a kite
3. Not in your right mind
4. Are easily impressed

I'm all 4 of those, yet I don't like him.

yeah. take that.

crackers

I spent the night in prison because of you. You mother****er.

Originally posted by Nephthys
crackers

I spent the night in prison because of you. You mother****er.

Jail you mean.

nah. I don't believe you.

Jail is too American. In England we have Prisons.

And F you Nemesis!

reported. Your a big poop.

Hey Jerkface, you have the face of a jerk.

Originally posted by Gideon
Honor is a myth.

I must disagree with you there. Honour is treating others with compassion, being respectful, honest and fair. Honour is a fundamental truth that is part of every decent human being.

What I suspect you are talking about (so-called 'clean fighting') isn't honourable, that's stupid. When you're fighting for your life you do whatever it takes. Even I know that.

As long as you're fighting for a good reason (such as self-preservation), and not because you enjoy inflicting suffering on others, then you are honourable.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
I must disagree with you there. Honour is treating others with compassion, being respectful, honest and fair. Honour is a fundamental truth that is part of every decent human being. Fundamental

As a noun:
A leading or primary principle, rule, law, or article, which serves as the groundwork of a system; essential part, as, the fundamentals of linear algebra.


As an adjective:
Pertaining to the foundation or basis; serving for the foundation. Hence: Essential, as an element, principle, or law; important; original; elementary; as, a fundamental truth; a fundamental axiom.


Synonyms:
basic, primary, original, essential, elementary, elemental, deep, deep-seated, underlying, structural





Sorry, honor's not fundamental. It's appreciated and valued by some, but hardly compulsory for all.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Fundamental

As a noun:
A leading or primary principle, rule, law, or article, which serves as the groundwork of a system; essential part, as, the fundamentals of linear algebra.


As an adjective:
Pertaining to the foundation or basis; serving for the foundation. Hence: Essential, as an element, principle, or law; important; original; elementary; as, a fundamental truth; a fundamental axiom.


Synonyms:
basic, primary, original, essential, elementary, elemental, deep, deep-seated, underlying, structural





Sorry, honor's not fundamental. It's appreciated and valued by some, but hardly compulsory for all.

"some" as in any decent person.

Meh, nowadays more people are concerned with looking good to the public via looks and money rather than honour.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Meh, nowadays more people are concerned with looking good to the public via looks and money rather than honour.

True, but many people aren't decent.

dooku

Caedus bodies him.

Originally posted by DarthCaedus77
Caedus bodies him.