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Just when you thought he was done doing punisher on the MAX series Garth Ennis is back doing more punisher for this 6 part series under the Marvel Knights Label

Got Part 1 not alot happens but its mostly Ennis setting the story up

Have not read that issue but I thought the punisher christmas special was awesome. What Punisher did to that mother was horrifying/ badass all at the same time

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Have not read that issue but I thought the punisher christmas special was awesome. What Punisher did to that mother was horrifying/ badass all at the same time

Damn right. Frank is truly bonkers.

With this new story Ennis is doing Ma Gnucci is back

He didn't kill Ma Gnucci?

Nope, from the looks of things she somehow managed to survive being left in her burning mansion.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Nope, from the looks of things she somehow managed to survive being left in her burning mansion.

I think he actually chucked her into a bonfire. She had no arms and legs so Id loved to see how she got out of it.

FREAKING. LOVE. GARTH. ENNIS.

That is all.

Originally posted by tjcoady
FREAKING. LOVE. GARTH. ENNIS.

That is all.

I dont like what he did to Frank.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dont like what he did to Frank. I like his gritty take on the punisher

Someone doesn't like what Ennis did to the Punisher?!?

That doesn't make much sense...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dont like what he did to Frank.
Like what?

Ennis gave Punisher far more depth than any other writer ever has in Frank's entire existence and every story during Ennis's run served as some of the most powerful street-level stories ever written

And that's not even going into his one-shot Punisher stories, which were even better.

"Born" is my favorite Punisher story. Yeah, Ennis a great writer, I especially like his War Stories.

"Welcome Back Frank"

Best Punisher story, best Marvel Knights story...

I like Garth Ennis stuff with the punisher but bloody hell he is'nt the only one thats done great stuff with him.

Originally posted by Accel
Like what?


If you look at welcome back Frank the reason why he hunts criminals is because hes a pyschopath whos idea of heaven is killing criminals in fact he hates criminals so much he wouldnt want to wipe out crime instead he just wants to kill criminals forever.

Not saying that other Punishers were not crazy or I agree with what he does but at least he did it because he wanted to avenge his family and help other people.

Originally posted by Accel

Ennis gave Punisher far more depth than any other writer ever has in Frank's entire existence and every story during Ennis's run served as some of the most powerful street-level stories ever written

And that's not even going into his one-shot Punisher stories, which were even better.

Were refering to 616 Punisher by the way. Why has Einnis given Frank Castle more depth? I suspect the reason why you think that Einnis Punisher is the best because he is the most crazy. You've read alot of Punisher right?

But Frank is crazy. Sure, his family dies.... but killing.... well, everybody who ever committed a crime is not even slightly a rational response to that.

This wasn't really apparent in his original appearances, but, it's impossible to argue that Frank is a rational, sane individual. "Killing all criminals" doesn't help people, and he's not making life better for anyone.

Ennis just made it obvious that in order for Frank Castle to be the Punisher, he HAS to be insane in some way.

Originally posted by tjcoady
But Frank is crazy. Sure, his family dies.... but killing.... well, everybody who ever committed a crime is not even slightly a rational response to that.

He doesnt kill everybody thats commited a crime...Punisher didnt kill a gangbanger when he found out he had an elderly mother to look after. He also decided not to kill a juvenile and told him to 'go back to school or i'll kill you'. Hell he even decided not to kill the Kingpin because he was afraid that a gangwar would be so bad that too many people would be killed in the crossfire. Hes also made a deal with a gangsters because he sees that in the long run it would be better instead of just shooting him. He also became head of the Geraci crime family but to be quite frank that seems out of character to me.

Hell the whole reason why he kills criminals is because he thinks that they law wont do anything, which is what happened to the criminals that killed his family. Not saying its ok to break the law but to say that his response isnt rational is complete and utter nonsense and it seems you really dont know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by tjcoady

This wasn't really apparent in his original appearances, but, it's impossible to argue that Frank is a rational, sane individual. "Killing all criminals" doesn't help people, and he's not making life better for anyone.

Sending The Joker back to Arkham Asylum isnt helping anybody either at least in Punishers case he would take care of him and that would be the end of that.

Originally posted by tjcoady

Ennis just made it obvious that in order for Frank Castle to be the Punisher, he HAS to be insane in some way.

Thats complete and utter nonsense. The whole reason why he does what he does was because his family was killed by gangsters and the laws wasnt enough to stop them. Hell im not saying I would break the law or its ok but you think that after going through something like that taking the law into your own hand is an insane response? One should strive to work with the law and use the system to improve it and I dont even think that what he does is really going to eliminate crime either but I certainly dont think its an insane response.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He doesnt kill everybody thats commited a crime...Punisher didnt kill a gangbanger when he found out he had an elderly mother to look after. He also decided not to kill a juvenile and told him to 'go back to school or i'll kill you'. Hell he even decided not to kill the Kingpin because he was afraid that a gangwar would be so bad that too many people would be killed in the crossfire. Hes also made a deal with a gangsters because he sees that in the long run it would be better instead of just shooting him. He also became head of the Geraci crime family but to be quite frank that seems out of character to me.

Hell the whole reason why he kills criminals is because he thinks that they law wont do anything, which is what happened to the criminals that killed his family. Not saying its ok to break the law but to say that his response isnt rational is complete and utter nonsense and it seems you really dont know what you're talking about.



Sending The Joker back to Arkham Asylum isnt helping anybody either at least in Punishers case he would take care of him and that would be the end of that.



Thats complete and utter nonsense. The whole reason why he does what he does was because his family was killed by gangsters and the laws wasnt enough to stop them. Hell im not saying I would break the law or its ok but you think that after going through something like that taking the law into your own hand is an insane response? One should strive to work with the law and use the system to improve it and I dont even think that what he does is really going to eliminate crime either but I certainly dont think its an insane response.

Yes, slaughtering thousands of people because your family is dead is an insane response. How do you not get that?

Whatever, it's not a point worth arguing. It's not really something you can be convinced of.

Originally posted by tjcoady
Yes, slaughtering thousands of people because your family is dead is an insane response. How do you not get that?


1. Its not insane you just dont agree with the point of view (Wether its the right thing to do is another issue).
2. If you had actually bothered to read my post properly or any Punisher apart from Einnis you would know he also does it to help other people.

Originally posted by tjcoady

Whatever, it's not a point worth arguing. It's not really something you can be convinced of.

Dodging important key issues rasied in a discussion and repeating what you said before is sure way to 'win' a debate.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. Its not insane you just dont agree with the point of view (Wether its the right thing to do is another issue).
2. If you had actually bothered to read my post properly or any Punisher apart from Einnis you would know he also does it to help other people.



Dodging important key issues rasied in a discussion and repeating what you said before is sure way to 'win' a debate.

I'm not trying to win a debate here.

I don't think there even should be a debate.

All I'm saying is that going on a world-wide, decades long slaughterfest as a response to a tragedy is not even remotely rational.

If you fail to realize that, then there is no way I can possibly convince you.

(As a side note, I have read Punisher other than Ennis, and with a few key exceptions, it's pretty damn terrible. Seriously, Angel-Punisher?)

Don't forget the stories done by Steven Grant & Mike Zeck in the 1980's; it was because of those the Punisher finally got his own monthly title(s). 'Return to Big Nothing' is still one of of my favourites - a very definitive take on him.

And don't forget Chuck Dixon with his run on the punisher War Zone Series.

Originally posted by tjcoady
I'm not trying to win a debate here.

I don't think there even should be a debate.

All I'm saying is that going on a world-wide, decades long slaughterfest as a response to a tragedy is not even remotely rational.

If you fail to realize that, then there is no way I can possibly convince you.

(As a side note, I have read Punisher other than Ennis, and with a few key exceptions, it's pretty damn terrible. Seriously, Angel-Punisher?)

I think this topic is too controversial for me to discuss, just to note though I dont agree with what he does.

IMO the real root of crime is poverty and broken families. Beating up or even killing criminals is not going to solve crime. You have to change society but of course the law is needed to do that.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I think this topic is too controversial for me to discuss, just to note though I dont agree with what he does.

IMO the real root of crime is poverty and broken families. Beating up or even killing criminals is not going to solve crime. You have to change society but of course the law is still needed.

I'd agree with you there- there's a reason that states that have the death penalty also have the highest crime rates (Hint: it doesn't work as a deterrent).

But, seriously, going into a debate about the death penalty is a terrible, terrible idea, so lets end this one right here.

Originally posted by tjcoady

so lets end this one right here.

Indeed and get back to talking about this new 6 part series from Ennis.

Got part 2, Turns out the Ma Gnucci that we seen was a fake i've got a feeling someone cloned her or something crazy like that.