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Why do they, i.e. guys, like them?

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Why do they, i.e. guys, like them?

What is an electronic game?

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Why do they, i.e. guys, like them?

We have a video games section, if you mean that. And because they are very fun and enjoyable.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What is an electronic game? You know what I am talking about.....the fake world that guys like.....why, why, why??

Originally posted by Deja~vu
You know what I am talking about.....the fake world that guys like.....why, why, why??

You read books, don't you?

Same reason.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
You know what I am talking about.....the fake world that guys like.....why, why, why??

Porn?

male to male competition that requires nobody to be hurt or friendships to be broken

a civilized form of beating our chest and locking horns with eachother

Originally posted by Bardock42
You read books, don't you?

Same reason. Yeah, but it's non-fiction, not fake stuff.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
You know what I am talking about.....the fake world that guys like.....why, why, why?? Originally posted by Bardock42
You read books, don't you?

Same reason.

I think it's quite different. Both are a means to escape, which is fine, but I think excessive gaming is far worse than excessive reading.

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
I think it's quite different. Both are a means to escape, which is fine, but I think excessive gaming is far worse than excessive reading.

Depends what you read or play I guess. Playing is usually easier at the moment, but that's because it is an artform that has been around for less than 30 years, who knows what's going to happen with it in the future.

Of course you can read informative non-fiction, but I'd say that entertainment/artistic fiction is very similar to gaming.

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
I think it's quite different. Both are a means to escape, which is fine, but I think excessive gaming is far worse than excessive reading. I agree. Now let me ask this question. If I took my clothes off would it matter?

How have you not been banned yet?

Hmm, guess it primal for guys to want to fight.

Originally posted by Bardock42
How have you not been banned yet? Because I take my clothes off?

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Hmm, guess it primal for guys to want to fight. You don't know anything about Computer Games, do you? Shooter or Fighting Games are not the only forms of Video Gaming.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Because I take my clothes off?

Where is that threads.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
I agree. Now let me ask this question. If I took my clothes off would it matter?

Okay, I'm not sure what you mean .. . . if you are asking if I'd put the joystick or the book down to jump your naked body, then hell yes I would. Hypothetically. I'm married you know.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Why do they, i.e. guys, like them?

It's simply a hobby...like comic books, warhammer, toys, etc....

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
Okay, I'm not sure what you mean .. . . if you are asking if I'd put the joystick or the book down to jump your naked body, then hell yes I would. Hypothetically. I'm married you know. Well it works with football, so I'm gonna try it with the video games..

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Well it works with football, so I'm gonna try it with the video games..

I, I, I don't know where you are going with this debate.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Depends what you read or play I guess. Playing is usually easier at the moment, but that's because it is an artform that has been around for less than 30 years, who knows what's going to happen with it in the future.

Of course you can read informative non-fiction, but I'd say that entertainment/artistic fiction is very similar to gaming.

Yeah, and there are extremes to everything, but I think gamers, and I'm talking the super hardcore ones who literally camp out at BestBuy, pick fights and shoot eachother over getting first dibs on the newst PS3, are a bit more socially inept than your average Harry Potter fan.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You don't know anything about Computer Games, do you? Shooter or Fighting Games are not the only forms of Video Gaming.

however, few games are not competitive in some way

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
Yeah, and there are extremes to everything, but I think gamers, and I'm talking the super hardcore ones who literally camp out at BestBuy, pick fights and shoot eachother over getting first dibs on the newst PS3, are a bit more socially inept than your average Harry Potter fan.

studies indicate less social skills in kids who do not play games

not for the reasons you allude to, but because games are so ubiquitous, not playing them is a reason for social ostracism

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I, I, I don't know where you are going with this debate. Well, I just don't get the fascination with it. It seems boring to me. Why do guys find it so exiting? It's not real, nor has any real communication and stuff.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Well, I just don't get the fascination with it. It seems boring to me. Why do guys find it so exiting? It's not real, nor has any real communication and stuff.

The main reason is the fact that it is not real. We can do things that we would love to do in real life without the consequences.

Originally posted by inimalist
however, few games are not competitive in some way I guess, personally I play Single Player or Co-op.

But I guess you could say it's that you'd like to win or at least do good in some way.

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
Yeah, and there are extremes to everything, but I think gamers, and I'm talking the super hardcore ones who literally camp out at BestBuy, pick fights and shoot eachother over getting first dibs on the newst PS3, are a bit more socially inept than your average Harry Potter fan. I don't know, the typical Harry Potter fan is 12, after all

Originally posted by Bardock42
Depends what you read or play I guess. Playing is usually easier at the moment, but that's because it is an artform that has been around for less than 30 years, who knows what's going to happen with it in the future.

Of course you can read informative non-fiction, but I'd say that entertainment/artistic fiction is very similar to gaming.

Well your active in the computer game but passive in reading books...

Does that not have some sort of implication?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't know, the typical Harry Potter fan is 12, after all

So is the typical gang banger these days.

Touche

Originally posted by inimalist
studies indicate less social skills in kids who do not play games

not for the reasons you allude to, but because games are so ubiquitous, not playing them is a reason for social ostracism I've read the same thing and seen it too..........yep, I'm a reader.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
I've read the same thing and seen it too..........yep, I'm a reader. wait...I've read the opposite.

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
I think it's quite different. Both are a means to escape, which is fine, but I think excessive gaming is far worse than excessive reading.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Have you ever read the shit out of a book?






Originally posted by inimalist
studies indicate less social skills in kids who do not play games

not for the reasons you allude to, but because games are so ubiquitous, not playing them is a reason for social ostracism


that....is.....AWESOME!

Hooray for awesome science!

Originally posted by dadudemon
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Have you ever read the shit out of a book?

games are a way to excercise the parts of our brain that co-ordinate high intensity observation and motor function. The parts we would use in hunting or battle to defend our home from animal predators.

Thus a man would only be truly happy when he could protect his wiife and children from the creatures of the Night as well as provide them with protein for lunch.

Now we continue using those parts to maintain a positive attitude Some men play tennis or squash or basketball or football or whatever regularly and watch and talk about sport and games regularly, where they are actively evaluating every piece of audio-visual imput. Watching a game and playing a game can keep a man on a high for a looonnnnnng Time. Every time A guy remembers the positive outcomes of the past his brain will release feelgood chemicals. Same goes for Video Game enthusiasts Chess enthusiasts Retired Soldiers etcetera.

Women love reading for the drama and opportunity to expand their knowledge base. Pretty useful back in the day when you needed to know which mushroom to pick and which to stomp on. And which type of wild chocolate causes acne. lol.

Why does one watch films? Why does one read a novel? For escape, gaming is no different. Gaming can have the same artistic and intellectual merits of any novel or film, and anyone who says different simply hasn't played enough video games to have a worth while opinion on the subject.

And the presentation that it's only guys who like it is very wrong. More and more females are getting into games these days, it's a new medium that is growing at an incredible rate, already rivaling film in revenue. As it grows its scope and attraction will grow with it and more diverse people will engage themselves in the format of gaming.

Which means more idiots playing Halo 3 online facepalm

And more people playing games that aren't Halo related.

Originally posted by shiv
games are a way to excercise the parts of our brain that co-ordinate high intensity observation and motor function. The parts we would use in hunting or battle to defend our home from animal predators.

Thus a man would only be truly happy when he could protect his wiife and children from the creatures of the Night as well as provide them with protein for lunch.

Now we continue using those parts to maintain a positive attitude Some men play tennis or squash or basketball or football or whatever regularly and watch and talk about sport and games regularly, where they are actively evaluating every piece of audio-visual imput. Watching a game and playing a game can keep a man on a high for a looonnnnnng Time. Every time A guy remembers the positive outcomes of the past his brain will release feelgood chemicals. Same goes for Video Game enthusiasts Chess enthusiasts Retired Soldiers etcetera.

Women love reading for the drama and opportunity to expand their knowledge base. Pretty useful back in the day when you needed to know which mushroom to pick and which to stomp on. And which type of wild chocolate causes acne. lol.


While you play video games a loooooonnng time, I'll keep your wife occupied a loooooonng time. Your kids can **** themselves because I like women.

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
I think it's quite different. Both are a means to escape, which is fine, but I think excessive gaming is far worse than excessive reading.




Reading leads to higher intelligence.

Originally posted by inimalist
male to male competition that requires nobody to be hurt or friendships to be broken

a civilized form of beating our chest and locking horns with eachother

I dunno about that..

coicidentaly enough, earlier this evening my first cousins, both brothers', got into a literal fist fight in my living room over madden '08 (36o). it was the classic "you suck i'm, i'm destroying you", "what happened the last game?", "you're a bum", "i'm a madden god" back and forth rant that escalated over three quarters with me telling them in one manner or another to just chill the fcuk out that it's just a game. next thing you know one of them said something slick, the other got up and told him to repeat it. he did, he pushed his face and they went at eachother full force with me diving in the middle to stop it. my closet door was ran into (now it closes funny) and I got hit in the eye with an elbow while trying to break them up while pushing them away from my flat screen and home theatre system.

just basically 2 men acting like kids. about a half hr ago I called david, the younger one, to see if he was alright and he told yea but that he honestly wished he didn't have a brother. they're 19 and 22.

so video game comp isn't always peachy.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Why do they, i.e. guys, like them?

I think the question should be why guys over a certain age play still play them. I stopped when I was a teenager, its something I grew out of.

Originally posted by BackFire
Why does one watch films? Why does one read a novel? For escape, gaming is no different. Gaming can have the same artistic and intellectual merits of any novel or film, and anyone who says different simply hasn't played enough video games to have a worth while opinion on the subject.

And the presentation that it's only guys who like it is very wrong. More and more females are getting into games these days, it's a new medium that is growing at an incredible rate, already rivaling film in revenue. As it grows its scope and attraction will grow with it and more diverse people will engage themselves in the format of gaming.

I think there's a difference between an adult reading Uncle Tom's Cabin and a bunch of kids "owning" each other in some shoot'em-up video game.

Unlike movies and novels, and like comicbooks and Star Trek, video games are a big-time girl repellent.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I think the question should be why guys over a certain age play still play them. I stopped when I was a teenager, its something I grew out of.



I think there's a difference between an adult reading Uncle Tom's Cabin and a bunch of kids "owning" each other in some shoot'em-up video game.

Unlike movies and novels, and like comicbooks and Star Trek, video games are a big-time girl repellent. Not really, they are both a way of relaxing, can be theraputic in their own way, they are both an escape from reality.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota

Unlike movies and novels, and like comicbooks and Star Trek, video games are a big-time girl repellent.

That's not really as true anymore. I believe that, just like comics, video games just have to face a rather close minded approach to them atm, as many of the older generations still can't get their head around to see them as having merit on their own, especially for Comic Books, which, to any thinking human being that did more than 3 minutes of research, is obviously a valid art for in itself, while, admittedly video games are generally aimed more at relaxing and spending your free time. But really, kinda like every other medium that might just be the early phases of art form. We certainly see that video games have brought vast improvements to certain areas, and will likely continue to do so.


And really, wasn't when you stopped being a teenager the time that Pong was considered the must have high end game? How can you judge video games on a fair basis?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I think the question should be why guys over a certain age play still play them. I stopped when I was a teenager, its something I grew out of.



I think there's a difference between an adult reading Uncle Tom's Cabin and a bunch of kids "owning" each other in some shoot'em-up video game.

Unlike movies and novels, and like comicbooks and Star Trek, video games are a big-time girl repellent.
first I didnt grow out of it..lol..second I agree with the above post(4 post up) of beat the chest and locking horns in a civilized way...lol..third some chics dig star trek and video games! (well at least video games)

Originally posted by dadudemon
While you play video games a loooooonnng time, I'll keep your wife occupied a loooooonng time. Your kids can **** themselves because I like women.

Oh.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I think the question should be why guys over a certain age play still play them. I stopped when I was a teenager, its something I grew out of.

Games are not like they used to be. Some games are made specifically for adults. They are no longer something you grow out of.

Now, you can feel that you are above games, and that's fine. But it has nothing to do with age or maturity due to age.



Some games cost just as much as some movies to make and they are much more immersive than any movie. Some video game story lines are every bit as good as the movies Hollywood churns out.

I'm going to have to say that one of my favorite multimedia stories was Knight of the Old Republic. (The first one.) Amazing story.

Some games make more money, singularly, than any movie in history. This is done quite often nowadays.



Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I think there's a difference between an adult reading Uncle Tom's Cabin and a bunch of kids "owning" each other in some shoot'em-up video game.

There's also a difference between a child an adult reading the same book, just as there's a difference between an adult and a child playing the same video game. Your point is also lost on the millions of rabid sports fans who fight their petty fights of lameness.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Unlike movies and novels, and like comicbooks and Star Trek, video games are a big-time girl repellent.


I've noticed a steady trend of more and more female gamers. In fact, there are so many female gamers now that the "male dominant" argument is becoming weak. For exampe, my wife, one who never played video games because she thought they were lame, is now playing video games quite often. I don't remember the exact number, but I think females make up around 40% of the market now.

In South Korea, there are game-thletes that garner the attention of thousands to millions of young women. They are celebrities. These super star gamers have fingers faster than Jimmy Hendrix.

Jimi

Only guys play games?

Well, shit. Guess I should quit my job, get rid of my collection of 20 years worth of video games, and resign my job modding here.

Or not ermm Seriously, these days a rather large chunk of people who play games are female. Still not a majority, and when you translate that into number of girls who play games, it's not a huge number (something like half of all people play video games, and about 40% of gamers are female), but still. Female gamers are not a rare special thing. It's just that it's only in the past couple of years that games have actually been marketed towards women.

I also don't understand this mindset of "you're over a certain age, why do you still play games?". It's ridiculous. You wouldn't tell someone to stop reading books or watching movies over a certain age, would you? This idea that games are for children is a myth and always has been. The core demographic for video games is males in their 20s and 30s. And even if it wasn't, that doesn't mean that once you hit a certain age you should put away your hobbies that you enjoy.

And let's all grow up and get past the whole "girls don't like geeky things" idea, okay? It's patently not true. Some girls are shallow and like that, but hey, guess what, so are some guys.

The video game industry makes more than the movie industry, by the way, and made something like $20 billion last year. So yeah.

Originally posted by Peach
Only guys play games?

Well, shit. Guess I should quit my job, get rid of my collection of 20 years worth of video games, and resign my job modding here.

Or not ermm Seriously, these days a rather large chunk of people who play games are female. Still not a majority, and when you translate that into number of girls who play games, it's not a huge number (something like half of all people play video games, and about 40% of gamers are female), but still. Female gamers are not a rare special thing. It's just that it's only in the past couple of years that games have actually been marketed towards women.

I also don't understand this mindset of "you're over a certain age, why do you still play games?". It's ridiculous. You wouldn't tell someone to stop reading books or watching movies over a certain age, would you? This idea that games are for children is a myth and always has been. The core demographic for video games is males in their 20s and 30s. And even if it wasn't, that doesn't mean that once you hit a certain age you should put away your hobbies that you enjoy.

And let's all grow up and get past the whole "girls don't like geeky things" idea, okay? It's patently not true. Some girls are shallow and like that, but hey, guess what, so are some guys.

The video game industry makes more than the movie industry, by the way, and made something like $20 billion last year. So yeah.

Quiet, girl. It is men talking about men's stuff. Go play with dollies.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Quiet, girl. It is men talking about men's stuff. Go play with dollies.

You know, I would laugh so hard if you tried saying that to me in the SW game

Originally posted by Peach
You know, I would laugh so hard if you tried saying that to me in the SW game In character?


Don't think Con would have much to laugh...

Originally posted by Peach
Only guys play games?

Well, shit. Guess I should quit my job, get rid of my collection of 20 years worth of video games, and resign my job modding here.

Or not ermm Seriously, these days a rather large chunk of people who play games are female. Still not a majority, and when you translate that into number of girls who play games, it's not a huge number (something like half of all people play video games, and about 40% of gamers are female), but still. Female gamers are not a rare special thing. It's just that it's only in the past couple of years that games have actually been marketed towards women.

I also don't understand this mindset of "you're over a certain age, why do you still play games?". It's ridiculous. You wouldn't tell someone to stop reading books or watching movies over a certain age, would you? This idea that games are for children is a myth and always has been. The core demographic for video games is males in their 20s and 30s. And even if it wasn't, that doesn't mean that once you hit a certain age you should put away your hobbies that you enjoy.

And let's all grow up and get past the whole "girls don't like geeky things" idea, okay? It's patently not true. Some girls are shallow and like that, but hey, guess what, so are some guys.

The video game industry makes more than the movie industry, by the way, and made something like $20 billion last year. So yeah.


The words mean so much more when they come from a female. (Who could kick my ass at just about any video game, no less.)

Originally posted by Bardock42
In character?


Don't think Con would have much to laugh...

Out of character or in would be funny OOC would be "Shut up, I've been in this game forever", IC would be "hahahahahaha no" and then Rianna would dismember you

Originally posted by dadudemon
The words mean so much more when they come from a female. (Who could kick my ass at just about any video game, no less.)

Actually, I probably couldn't! I enjoy games but I'm not very good at most 'competitive' ones. I don't play sports games at all and rarely play shooters, only when a really good one jumps out at me. They bore me for the most part

Originally posted by Peach
I don't play sports games at all and rarely play shooters, only when a really good one jumps out at me. They bore me for the most part Dead to Rights?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I think the question should be why guys over a certain age play still play them. I stopped when I was a teenager, its something I grew out of.

There are plenty of games targeted at older gamers, the average gamer age is older than a teenager these days.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I guess, personally I play Single Player or Co-op.

But I guess you could say it's that you'd like to win or at least do good in some way.

absolutly, I wasn't making my point very well

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I dunno about that..

coicidentaly enough, earlier this evening my first cousins, both brothers', got into a literal fist fight in my living room over madden '08 (36o). it was the classic "you suck i'm, i'm destroying you", "what happened the last game?", "you're a bum", "i'm a madden god" back and forth rant that escalated over three quarters with me telling them in one manner or another to just chill the fcuk out that it's just a game. next thing you know one of them said something slick, the other got up and told him to repeat it. he did, he pushed his face and they went at eachother full force with me diving in the middle to stop it. my closet door was ran into (now it closes funny) and I got hit in the eye with an elbow while trying to break them up while pushing them away from my flat screen and home theatre system.

just basically 2 men acting like kids. about a half hr ago I called david, the younger one, to see if he was alright and he told yea but that he honestly wished he didn't have a brother. they're 19 and 22.

so video game comp isn't always peachy.

lol!

no, that stuff happens as well

I remember when I used to live with my buddy, and we had our X boxes networked, and just getting so furious sometimes that I would run down stairs mad yelling at him.

Ah, the good old days.

I was talking more about natural male competition and social hirearchies, but even then, I didn't make the point very well. Funny story though sucks about the closet

Originally posted by Peach
Actually, I probably couldn't! I enjoy games but I'm not very good at most 'competitive' ones. I don't play sports games at all and rarely play shooters, only when a really good one jumps out at me. They bore me for the most part

I agree with your point about girl gamers, however, as you point out here, there are huge demographic differences in the types and play habits of men and women.

Not that there aren't girls who like shooters, and not that I'm saying anything about girls in general.

Violence and direct competition are, afaik, still much more appealing to male gamers.

Did someone really say that gaming is more of a girl repellent than Star Trek and comic books?

Electronic guys? Oh, wait...
Originally posted by Deja~vu
Why do they, i.e. guys, like them? Virtual power.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The words mean so much more when they come from a female. (Who could kick my ass at just about any video game, no less.)

And you call yourself a man? uhuh

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
And you call yourself a man? uhuh

Noooo?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Noooo? sup

do you not have any idea on Video games, do you not have an imagination?

Video games just like television allows people to acces forms of entertainment that allows them to see/do things they would like to do in real life but cant, ofc in some cases this is destroying things/people but in many cases its empire building like many strategy games. They also are very useful for increasing intellect,reactionary skills, reasoning etc and online games can be strong character builders.

I think perhaps you should be asking why do people like fantasy? since on your first page you talk about how fake things are not your cup of tea?

Originally posted by Bardock42

And really, wasn't when you stopped being a teenager the time that Pong was considered the must have high end game? How can you judge video games on a fair basis?

Because I have sons your age and younger, so I'm in the know when it comes to Halo, Hitman and Assassin's Creed.

The graphics and storylines of video games may have improved, but the purpose they serve as a nerdy anti-social diversion have not.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I think the question should be why guys over a certain age play still play them. I stopped when I was a teenager, its something I grew out of.

I didn't, the industry grew with me. And fact: Most gamers are now adults, because of that very reason; the industry has matured with its audience.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I think there's a difference between an adult reading Uncle Tom's Cabin and a bunch of kids "owning" each other in some shoot'em-up video game.

Unlike movies and novels, and like comicbooks and Star Trek, video games are a big-time girl repellent.

Sure, just like there's a difference between some 14 year old girl reading some shitty vampire novel and an adult playing Bioshock or Fallout 3. Both mediums have shitty childish works, and both have mature meaningful thoughtful works. Gaming is as much an artform as anything, and it has the same potential for an emotional/intellectual connection as any medium.

And most girls' boyfriends play videogames these days, they don't care, it's no longer the realm of the nerds. It seems you're looking at the medium as if it's still 1993, it's very different now.

So yes, you are magnificently wrong.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Because I have sons your age and younger, so I'm in the know when it comes to Halo, Hitman and Assassin's Creed.

The graphics and storylines of video games may have improved, but the purpose they serve as a nerdy anti-social diversion have not.

Despite the immense social aspect of many modern games?

Originally posted by inimalist
I agree with your point about girl gamers, however, as you point out here, there are huge demographic differences in the types and play habits of men and women.

Not that there aren't girls who like shooters, and not that I'm saying anything about girls in general.

Violence and direct competition are, afaik, still much more appealing to male gamers.
I actually find this mildly offensive.

Just like I find many of the games marketed to women offensive.

Girls can and do play the same games. The only reason there is a difference in demographics is because marketing and development have imposed them. Research found that mothers and sisters were playing with the core demographic, and decided to market games specifically to them. Not a bad idea in theory, but the result showed an ignorance of the very facts the studies found: Women were playing the same games.

The solution isn't to cater to sexist demographics, the solution is to remove the stigma that women can't play war games like men, and make games just as accessible for both.

...I'm pretty sure I was leading up to a point, but I forgot it, so you get this.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Because I have sons your age and younger, so I'm in the know when it comes to Halo, Hitman and Assassin's Creed.

The graphics and storylines of video games may have improved, but the purpose they serve as a nerdy anti-social diversion have not.
You're wrong. Games today have become extremely social in nature, often needlessly. It's to the point where a game may not sell well unless it has a social online component, be it combat or co-op.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Despite the immense social aspect of many modern games?

What "immense social aspect"?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
What "immense social aspect"?

Ever heard of the internet? Games allow and often require social interaction to play in this crazy modern world.

Originally posted by Burning thought
do you not have any idea on Video games, do you not have an imagination?

Video games just like television allows people to acces forms of entertainment that allows them to see/do things they would like to do in real life but cant, ofc in some cases this is destroying things/people but in many cases its empire building like many strategy games. They also are very useful for increasing intellect,reactionary skills, reasoning etc and online games can be strong character builders.

I think perhaps you should be asking why do people like fantasy? since on your first page you talk about how fake things are not your cup of tea? I don't watch tv much either and I have lots of character. Guess I got a real life...Oops sorry.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Ever heard of the internet? Games allow and often require social interaction to play in this crazy modern world.

So "owning" some nerd in Warcraft is the same as going out on a Friday night?

Originally posted by Deja~vu
I don't watch tv much either and I have lots of character. Guess I got a real life...Oops sorry.
I don't watch TV either, but my hobbies and my education are both dedicated to the gaming medium. Don't judge what you don't know.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
I actually find this mildly offensive.

understandable, as you show essentially no comprehension of what I said

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So "owning" some nerd in Warcraft is the same as going out on a Friday night?

No but working as a group as part of a game and interacting in order to achieve success is very much a social event.

Originally posted by inimalist
understandable, as you show essentially no comprehension of what I said
Well then, isn't the logical reaction to clarify what you've said?

Or, y'know, you could just mock me needlessly.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So "owning" some nerd in Warcraft is the same as going out on a Friday night?

I knew you were going to say something about 'owning', just your shitty debate style; falsely simplify online gaming to fit into a stereotype that you clearly know nothing about.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Well then, isn't the logical reaction to clarify what you've said?

Or, y'know, you could just mock me needlessly.

Well obviously you know which one he prefers.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Well obviously you know which one he prefers.
No accounting for personal taste!

Some of us like reason in our debate... others just laugh at the unknown.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Or, y'know, you could just mock me needlessly.

Oh I've been waiting for this day...

Dirty butt, baby dick, silly pants, hot lips.

Felt good.

Originally posted by BackFire
Oh I've been waiting for this day...

Dirty butt, baby dick, silly pants, hot lips.

Felt good.
Hey, I wasn't talking to you!

And I thought we agreed to keep that last one private.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
No accounting for personal taste!

Some of us like reason in our debate... others just laugh at the unknown.

I was joking. Inimalist is actually very smart and he'll probably give you an explanation eventually. Then again you might be dumb and never get his point, which is always possible.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Hey, I wasn't talking to you!

And I thought we agreed to keep that last one private.

You agreed to not charge me for oral sex.

But here we are, greedy hole.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I was joking. Inimalist is actually very smart and he'll probably give you an explanation eventually. Then again you might be dumb and never get his point, which is always possible.
Anything's possible. A sudden breakdown of my mental facilities is unlikely, though.

Especially when I'm having fun.

Originally posted by BackFire
You agreed to not charge me for oral sex.

But here we are, greedy hole.
Psh, you didn't even look at the contract before you signed it. There's a reason they call it wordplay.

But I don't want to kill anybody.....

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Well then, isn't the logical reaction to clarify what you've said?

Or, y'know, you could just mock me needlessly.

market demographics show overwhelmingly that, while both males and females play games, they play different types of games. SURPRISE! market demographics also show people of different ages, with different preferences, etc, plat different games.

Then I said that violence is more of a selling factor for males, which is true not only of games, but of essentially all media

you took this to mean that I was proposing differences that were not due to marketing (though in some cases I don't think marketing is the most important factor).

I also didn't say gender was the most important determining factor, which your post also seems to assume I was.

And that wasn't mocking. Quite literally, you made a ridiculous comment based on something I didn't post.

Originally posted by BackFire
I knew you were going to say something about 'owning', just your shitty debate style; falsely simplify online gaming to fit into a stereotype that you clearly know nothing about.

Why the profanity? Do you spend your weekends owning strangers on the internet with magic spells and by summoning spirits?

Like I said, two of my boys are gamers so I know about the sub-culture.

Originally posted by inimalist
understandable, as you show essentially no comprehension of what I said

Actually, he really didn't and all you did was make an irrelevant - and false - point.

Between girls that play games and guys that play games, there is really no difference. Sure, not every girl is a fan of Halo - but neither is every guy.

Yes, there are a lot of games marketed specifically at women these days. This is both a good and bad thing. It's good because girls have always been seen as people who don't play games (which is patently untrue). This is bad because a lot of these games are pure shit that any gamer, regardless of gender, would be insulted if someone recommended it to them. The only thing good I can say about these sorts of games and this marketing strategy is that it gets a lot of people into video games that normally would not play.

And that is where the difference in marketing is. Games marketed at guys are marketed at those who are already gamers. Games marketed at women are aimed at those who are not already gamers, or are in the most casual sense. Those of us girls who do play games? Pretty much play the same stuff as all of the guys and completely ignore the marketing (or in some cases get annoyed that we're still basically ignored).

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Why the profanity? Do you spend your weekends owning strangers on the internet with magic spells and by summoning spirits?

Like I said, two of my boys are gamers so I know about the sub-culture.

Just because your boys fit into the obnoxious stereotype of onling gaming sub-culture doesn't mean that that's what the majority of gamers are like, just means that's what they're like.

Then again, I know someone who is a really obnoxious sports fan, guess that's what all sports fans are like.

And what profanity? You made a shitty point so I pointed out that it was shitty.

And I usually spend my weekends with my friends.

Originally posted by Peach
Actually, he really didn't and all you did was make an irrelevant - and false - point.

Between girls that play games and guys that play games, there is really no difference. Sure, not every girl is a fan of Halo - but neither is every guy.

Yes, there are a lot of games marketed specifically at women these days. This is both a good and bad thing. It's good because girls have always been seen as people who don't play games (which is patently untrue). This is bad because a lot of these games are pure shit that any gamer, regardless of gender, would be insulted if someone recommended it to them. The only thing good I can say about these sorts of games and this marketing strategy is that it gets a lot of people into video games that normally would not play.

And that is where the difference in marketing is. Games marketed at guys are marketed at those who are already gamers. Games marketed at women are aimed at those who are not already gamers. Those of us girls who do play games? Pretty much play the same stuff as all of the guys and completely ignore the marketing (or in some cases get annoyed that we're still basically ignored).

again, you are assuming that I think the mechanism behind WHY the demographics are as they are is something other than marketing

my post literally contained the simple phrase that girls and boys generally play different games

Im not having the argument you both obviously want to have because I agree, if I was saying something like "girls don't like games" or other such nonsense, I would be wrong

****ing christ

Originally posted by inimalist
market demographics show overwhelmingly that, while both males and females play games, they play different types of games. SURPRISE! market demographics also show people of different ages, with different preferences, etc, plat different games.

Then I said that violence is more of a selling factor for males, which is true not only of games, but of essentially all media

you took this to mean that I was proposing differences that were not due to marketing (though in some cases I don't think marketing is the most important factor).

I also didn't say gender was the most important determining factor, which your post also seems to assume I was.

And that wasn't mocking. Quite literally, you made a ridiculous comment based on something I didn't post.
Uh-huh. Do you have, say, evidence of these overwhelming results?

Because I have numerous female friends that play the same kinds of games I do, and friends that have similar female friends, and so on. So either I know a bunch of freaks screwing with the metaphorical bell curve, or any studies you're alluding to aren't so concrete and conclusive.

That said, I did take off on a bit of a tangent. But it was fun.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota

Like I said, two of my boys are gamers so I know about the sub-culture.

Oh right, because parents usually become specialists and the ultimate authority on what their children like.


No, wait a minute, it's mostly the opposite.


Well either way you portrayed an immense lack of knowledge about games and gaming culture as it has been in the last years. I think it's quite fair to say that...you just don't "get" it.



As for the other discussion, I think we all agree that women atm play different kinds of games than men...whether that is due to society, marketing, human nature or what not, I, at least, don't know.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So "owning" some nerd in Warcraft is the same as going out on a Friday night?

"Owning" aside, what's the difference between 3-4 friends going out to a bar/club, hanging, interacting as compared to 3-4 friends playing a game together, hanging out, interacting?

The Internet combined with on-line games has brought people together on a level that would never happen during your average Friday night hangout. Considering most of the people you casually meet on a night out, you'd never call or make plans with after said meeting, there's no real difference. Also, there are people who meet on-line and form lasting relationships, I know of someone who met his girlfriend while on that "nerd game" Warcraft.

This is coming from someone who only occasionally plays (Xbox), not that I don't want to, just lack time.

Okay I have a son that was addicted to these games and he lacked social skills because of it. Imagine that, me stealing him away, Ms social skills............

The whole idea that gaming is ruining social interaction is the idea that kids are now having less face-to-face, play outside, play sports kind of fun.

I don't know if that is true or if it's not, but why does it matter? If they're having fun, they're having fun, at any age.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So "owning" some nerd in Warcraft is the same as going out on a Friday night?

I'd rather play Gears of War with people I like, from the comfort of a place I enjoy, than go out and piss money away on drinks I don't enjoy, in a place I'd rather not be in, with people I am only "tolerating".

So you see, social is subjective. Someone who has three friends and only plays Halo isn't any less social than you, he or she may be perfectly happy with the friends he or she has.

This myth that you need to go out drinking with lots of people to be "social" has always baffled me. Personally, I think people are shit and I do my best to avoid gathering with large numbers of them as much as humanly possible.

Besides, your interests involve cars, and you've made clear in no uncertain terms, that you feel this is a manly thing to do.

I personally stopped being impressed by things going "Vroom!" when I was...well, I was never impressed by it. You are, and that's why it works for you. Would you go to a car show and accuse all of them of being friendless, overly-enthusiastic car nerds? No, so why say it about gamers?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Like I said, two of my boys are gamers so I know about the sub-culture.

If I said "My cousin likes cars, so despite me not giving a shit, I know about the culture and also cars.", you'd be on me like metal to a magnet, telling me that unless I am a part of it, with an interest myself, I will not understand.

The same goes for you. I am my father's son, and I am a fan of comics, he knows I am. Yet, if you said to him "What do you know of comics culture?", he wouldn't say anything, because he is smart enough to know that you don't judge that way.

-AC

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Uh-huh. Do you have, say, evidence of these overwhelming results?

Because I have numerous female friends that play the same kinds of games I do, and friends that have similar female friends, and so on. So either I know a bunch of freaks screwing with the metaphorical bell curve, or any studies you're alluding to aren't so concrete and conclusive.

That said, I did take off on a bit of a tangent. But it was fun.

one of the first finds after typing "male female game demographics"

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_/ai_n16141006

also, I listen to the IGN:TRL, 1up, and Joystiq podcasts, where this is talked about a lot, not as much as on Game Theory, but they haven't had a new episode in months.

Originally posted by inimalist
again, you are assuming that I think the mechanism behind WHY the demographics are as they are is something other than marketing

my post literally contained the simple phrase that girls and boys generally play different games

Im not having the argument you both obviously want to have because I agree, if I was saying something like "girls don't like games" or other such nonsense, I would be wrong

****ing christ

But the phrase 'girls and boys generally play different games' is a huge generalization that really isn't very true. There are some differences, yes. Especially among those who are new to gaming or only stick to one type of games - because there ARE certain types of games that are only marketed towards women who do not play games. And the problem is that "women who hardly play games" is the only female demographic that is marketed towards at all with video games. This thus skews ideas a lot about who likes what.

But by and large? Girls who play video games (who are actually gamers, not just someone who plays the Sims or Bejeweled or just picked up a Wii because they wanted Wii Fit) and guys who play video games will mostly play a lot of the same stuff. Gender isn't as relevant in this discussion as a lot of people try to make it out to be, except for the fact that girls make up a smaller percentage of gamers than guys do.

Originally posted by Peach
But the phrase 'girls and boys generally play different games' is a huge generalization that really isn't very true. There are some differences, yes. Especially among those who are new to gaming or only stick to one type of games - because there ARE certain types of games that are only marketed towards women who do not play games. And the problem is that "women who hardly play games" is the only female demographic that is marketed towards at all with video games. This thus skews ideas a lot about who likes what.

But by and large? Girls who play video games (who are actually gamers, not just someone who plays the Sims or Bejeweled or just picked up a Wii because they wanted Wii Fit) and guys who play video games will mostly play a lot of the same stuff. Gender isn't as relevant in this discussion as a lot of people try to make it out to be, except for the fact that girls make up a smaller percentage of gamers than guys do.

you are now redefining the term (gamer girls vs just normal boys and girls) and nit picking word choice

I will take this as a concession of point and say thank you

I find that most people who constantly play these games out of portion are more introverted...Or, maybe because of this they can become more introverted. Would be an interesting study.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Okay I have a son that was addicted to these games and he lacked social skills because of it. Imagine that, me stealing him away, Ms social skills............

Your son has social problems then by nature. I play games religiously yet I have better "social skills" then my friends who play team sports daily.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Your son has social problems then by nature. I play games religiously yet I have better "social skills" then my friends who play team sports daily.

ya, I wouldn't attribute that type of causative power to games

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Your son has social problems then by nature. I play games religiously yet I have better "social skills" then my friends who play team sports daily. He was introduced by his father at age 4 with my arguing about it.

I've been playing games since I was old enough to hold a joystick. Descent 1, ftw.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
He was introduced by his father at age 4 with my arguing about it. That is not related to anything Blax said. Don't quote if you are not going to reply to what you quoted.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Okay I have a son that was addicted to these games and he lacked social skills because of it. Imagine that, me stealing him away, Ms social skills............


Don't blame video games, the most likely cause is bad parenting.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That is not related to anything Blax said. Don't quote if you are not going to reply to what you quoted. Who made you moderator?

Originally posted by inimalist
you are now redefining the term (gamer girls vs just normal boys and girls) and nit picking word choice

I will take this as a concession of point and say thank you

I am not 'redefining' any terms (for the record I rather dislike the fact that girls are differentiated as gamers at all, my chest has nothing to do with holding a controller, thanks very much) at all. I'm simply trying to point out that there is a difference between people who play games - regardless of gender - and those who really don't at all - regardless of gender - and that marketing strategies focus on males for the former, and females for the latter.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
He was introduced by his father at age 4 with my arguing about it.

I'm sure a mother who opposed letting him play video games like other children had nothing to do with stunting his emotional development.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That is not related to anything Blax said. Don't quote if you are not going to reply to what you quoted. Who made you moderator?

It's my thread. Go have some cheese.

Originally posted by Peach
I am not 'redefining' any terms (for the record I rather dislike the fact that girls are differentiated as gamers at all, my chest has nothing to do with holding a controller, thanks very much) at all. I'm simply trying to point out that there is a difference between people who play games - regardless of gender - and those who really don't at all - regardless of gender - and that marketing strategies focus on males for the former, and females for the latter.

ok, and I agree with you, but do you understand that this has no bearing on what I actually posted initially?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm sure a mother who opposed letting him play video games like other children had nothing to do with stunting his emotional development. He'd sneak over his friends houses and play em

Originally posted by inimalist
one of the first finds after typing "male female game demographics"

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_/ai_n16141006

also, I listen to the IGN:TRL, 1up, and Joystiq podcasts, where this is talked about a lot, not as much as on Game Theory, but they haven't had a new episode in months.
Thank you for that article. Because reading down, it says that women are playing the same games, which is exactly my point.

Originally posted by inimalist
you are now redefining the term (gamer girls vs just normal boys and girls) and nit picking word choice

I will take this as a concession of point and say thank you
Just because you take it as such doesn't make it so.

The fact you're looking for an out doesn't do much for your position, either.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
I find that most people who constantly play these games out of portion are more introverted...Or, maybe because of this they can become more introverted. Would be an interesting study.
Actually, I was an introvert by nature, and it was games that made me open up to others. So what does that say?

To the whole social thing, I can only speak from experience, so here goes:

I've made no less than a dozen friends because of my interest in video games. Four of which are still my friends to this day. Met one in high school and we shared an interest in Goldeneye, and that sparked our friendship, had I not been a gamer I probably never would have spoken to him. Another three people in high school came over one day to play Mario Kart 64, and again, still friends to this day.

So no, if a kid has social problems it has shit to do with gaming and more likely bad parenting or some deeper problem that won't ever get noticed because everyone's wrongly and lazily blaming gaming.

Originally posted by inimalist
ok, and I agree with you, but do you understand that this has no bearing on what I actually posted initially?

If you just want to talk about demographics then yes, there are differences.

Demographics do not cover everyone, though

Originally posted by Deja~vu
He'd sneak over his friends houses and play em

So why not let him play them? They're not horrible things. Sure, they're not all for children, but that's where the parent comes in.

And hey, I'm an immensely shy, introverted person, and I have a number of great people I am very glad to have met and befriended that I'd have never done so if not for the fact that I like playing video games, so yeah.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Who made you moderator?

Don't be stupid.

Originally posted by Peach
I am not 'redefining' any terms (for the record I rather dislike the fact that girls are differentiated as gamers at all, my chest has nothing to do with holding a controller, thanks very much) at all. I'm simply trying to point out that there is a difference between people who play games - regardless of gender - and those who really don't at all - regardless of gender - and that marketing strategies focus on males for the former, and females for the latter.

Well, becaus it is a valid group to discuss stuff about. If you define gamers as those that play a select group of games you see as "serious", then obviously everyone falling into that will be in that category, that's self defeating. When you look at generally women that play games and compare it to men, you'll see a difference. If you only look at "casual" gamers and people that play games but wouldn't be seen as gamers, you will likely also find that there is a difference between the gender...

I don't think inimalist in any way meant to imply that women can't play and enjoy the same games as men, he just meant there is an obvious difference in the statistics of what they play.

This whole thread has been very interesting as I do not play games nor was into games as a child. Maybe I am not into games because as a child my family didn't play games??

Originally posted by Deja~vu
This whole thread has been very interesting as I do not play games nor was into games as a child. Maybe I am not into games because as a child my family didn't play games?? There are so many factors involved that such a blanket statement is just absurd.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
He'd sneak over his friends houses and play em

Do you realize you just defeated your own argument?

It actually sounds like your keeping him at home away from his friends because of your idiotic prejudice against video games caused social problems, as opposed to him going over to a friends house and playing games with him, thus having a social experience.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Thank you for that article. Because reading down, it says that women are playing the same games, which is exactly my point.

from the article:

Those who have been paying attention know that it's not that there are a paltry few female gamers, they're just playing different kinds of games. Instead of war-themed shooters or sports games, many women are following their gaming bliss in so-called "casual" games, which include card and puzzle games like the classic "Tetris."

For instance, Electronic Arts' casual game site Pogo.com draws 11 million unique users per month. Fifty-five percent of those are women. By my math -- which admittedly isn't too good -- that's a lot of women.

And that's just the free part of the site. On the subscription side, 75 percent of the more than 1 million subscribers are women over the age of 35.

In the gaming population as a whole, some 43 percent of those playing games are women, and women gamers over the age of 18 outnumber boys ages 6 to 17, according to the Entertainment Software Association.

...

Other kinds of games have made some inroads into attracting female players. For instance, "The Sims" games can claim a significant female following. Outside the game, the obsession has led to communities of game fans, and many who host fan sites are women.

Massive multiplayer games, which bring thousands of people together for a simultaneous gaming experience, inspire the same dedication in both genders. According to research being conducted by Stanford doctoral student Nick Yee's The Daedalus Project, while just 16 percent of "World of Warcraft" players are female, they play just as much as their male counterparts -- an average of 22.7 hours per week.

maybe you should post which parts confirm your hypothesis?

Originally posted by General Kaliero
The fact you're looking for an out doesn't do much for your position, either.

an out for what? I'm not even making the argument you want to argue against

Originally posted by Bardock42
There are so many factors involved that such a blanket statement is just absurd. Why? If people grew up playing games then maybe they'll always like playing games?

Originally posted by BackFire
Do you realize you just defeated your own argument?

It actually sounds like your keeping him at home away from his friends because of your idiotic prejudice against video games caused social problems, as opposed to him going over to a friends house and playing games with him, thus having a social experience. Nope. The other parents felt the same way and they made sure they would go outside and go swimming at the lake, fishing or other real stuff...I'd let him play but set time limits. 3 hours at a time, I felt was too long.

Originally posted by Peach
If you just want to talk about demographics then yes, there are differences.

Demographics do not cover everyone, though

I'll be glad to talk about reasons for why the market is as it is, when I finally get to not be on the defensive about making accurate statements

and no, demographics are statistics, so they don't say anything at all about individual cases

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Nope. The other parents felt the same way and they made sure they would go outside and go swimming at the lake, fishing or other real stuff...I'd let him play but set time limits. 3 hours at a time, I felt was too long.

Instead of letting the two of them have fun and play the way they want.

But yes, video games caused their social problems.

Maybe it was swimming or fishing or doing this other boring shit that they didn't want to do that caused their social problems.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Nope. The other parents felt the same way and they made sure they would go outside and go swimming at the lake, fishing or other real stuff...I'd let him play but set time limits. 3 hours at a time, I felt was too long.

What's wrong with simply letting a kid do something they enjoy, so long as it harms no one?

I hate swimming. If I was a kid and my mom tried to send me outside to go swimming, I'd just grab a book and refuse to leave the patio. That's far more enjoyable to me.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Nope. The other parents felt the same way and they made sure they would go outside and go swimming at the lake, fishing or other real stuff...I'd let him play but set time limits. 3 hours at a time, I felt was too long.

"Other real stuff"?

Real stuff like hunting, boating, going places, just playing with other kids outside? If I had let him he would never go out but play all day long ignoring his friends who would just watch him play and get bored.

Did the kids have any interest in that stuff at all?

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Real stuff like hunting, boating, going places, just playing with other kids outside? If I had let him he would never go out but play all day long ignoring his friends who would just watch him play and get bored.

And how is that in any way superior or better than playing a video game?

Not everyone likes those things. So why not just let kids enjoy themselves how they want?

Sorry, but no. Games do not cause social problems.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Nope. The other parents felt the same way and they made sure they would go outside and go swimming at the lake, fishing or other real stuff...I'd let him play but set time limits. 3 hours at a time, I felt was too long. And now your son's screwed up.


Coincidence?




It's not if you were wondering.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Real stuff like hunting, boating, going places, just playing with other kids outside? If I had let him he would never go out but play all day long ignoring his friends who would just watch him play and get bored.

I think there are games for all of those.

I love this. "I didn't want my kid playing video games, so I forced him to go kill animals instead, and now he has social problems which is the game's fault". Maybe he didn't want to go kill animals.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Why? If people grew up playing games then maybe they'll always like playing games? Again, extremely simplistic thought.

Originally posted by Peach
And how is that in any way superior or better than playing a video game?

Not everyone likes those things. So why not just let kids enjoy themselves how they want?

Sorry, but no. Games do not cause social problems. Guess it is better to be by ones self in this case?

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Guess it is better to be by ones self in this case? You could have bought a second controller and multiplayer games, you know

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Real stuff like hunting, boating, going places, just playing with other kids outside? If I had let him he would never go out but play all day long ignoring his friends who would just watch him play and get bored.

Yes, murdering small animals was probably great for his developing psyche.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You could have bought a second controller and multiplayer games, you know At the time it was computer generated.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
At the time it was computer generated.

Computer games are still computer generated. Unless you're living backwards through time and your son was reverse born in the far future where computers are an magical technology no one has ever seen before.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
At the time it was computer generated. Are you just throwing words together? Do you mean he played games on a PC?

What games? Also, you should have gotten him to LAN Parties or something, you horrible, horrible mother.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Real stuff like hunting, boating, going places, just playing with other kids outside? If I had let him he would never go out but play all day long ignoring his friends who would just watch him play and get bored.

Did you never stop to consider, that is what he truly enjoys in life? Was it affecting his school work?

Maybe he hates hunting, boating, going out and his "friends" are just neighborhood dickheads, possible?

What I do find extremely disturbing, you pushing hunting on him. Ever consider that the kid likes animals and doesn't enjoy killing them?

Originally posted by Robtard
Did you never stop to consider that is what he truly enjoys in life? Was it affecting his school work?

Maybe he hates hunting, boating, going out and his "friends" are just neighborhood dickheads, possible?

What I do find extremely disturbing, you pushing hunting on him. Ever consider that the kid likes animals and doesn't enjoy killing them? /QUOTE] he likes these things but forgets about them and everyone of his friends and just wants to be with his pc or video game...alone

What are you talking about?

ugh... I'm not even going to get into it. Your posts are actually making me literally angry.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
/QUOTE] he likes these things but forgets about them and everyone of his friends and just wants to be with his pc or video game...alone

I understand that; did you ever stop to consider that playing on his PC and being alone is what really makes him happy and not shooting a duck, catching a fish, being on a boat or farting around with the neighborhood goons?

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
What are you talking about?

ugh... I'm not even going to get into it. Your posts are actually making me literally angry.

ANGRY NEGRO ALERT!

Hide the white women!

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Hide the white women!

No real need, I keep a case of grape-soda within reach for such occasions.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You read books, don't you?

Same reason.

Pretty much what Bardock said. Same reason you like books, and more interactive.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Well either way you portrayed an immense lack of knowledge about games and gaming culture as it has been in the last years. I think it's quite fair to say that...you just don't "get" it.


Have you ever worked somewhere where they play a radio station or a CD that you hate, but because you still hear it all the time, you know all those songs by heart??

Originally posted by Robtard

The Internet combined with on-line games has brought people together on a level that would never happen during your average Friday night hangout.

Yeah, like cussing on an earpiece microphone at someone you've never met.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Besides, your interests involve cars, and you've made clear in no uncertain terms, that you feel this is a manly thing to do.

I personally stopped being impressed by things going "Vroom!" when I was...well, I was never impressed by it. You are, and that's why it works for you. Would you go to a car show and accuse all of them of being friendless, overly-enthusiastic car nerds? No, so why say it about gamers?


Cars aren't just something I "like"; they're literally how I support my entire existence and pay for this internet I'm using. People pay me to fix or detail their vehicles. So it's not just some nerdy weekend hobby of mine, like you and your games.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

If I said "My cousin likes cars, so despite me not giving a shit, I know about the culture and also cars.", you'd be on me like metal to a magnet, telling me that unless I am a part of it, with an interest myself, I will not understand.

The same goes for you. I am my father's son, and I am a fan of comics, he knows I am. Yet, if you said to him "What do you know of comics culture?", he wouldn't say anything, because he is smart enough to know that you don't judge that way.


Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Have you ever worked somewhere where they play a radio station or a CD that you hate, but because you still hear it all the time, you know all those songs by heart??

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Have you ever worked somewhere where they play a radio station or a CD that you hate, but because you still hear it all the time, you know all those songs by heart??

Fail. For that analogy to work you would have to know songs you've never heard simply because you constantly heard songs you don't like. I doubt this has happened to you.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Have you ever worked somewhere where they play a radio station or a CD that you hate, but because you still hear it all the time, you know all those songs by heart??

So you know those songs, that doesn't make you an expert on music, does it? Just like maybe you know whatever games your kids play, doesn't mean you're an expert on video games. Just the fact that you imply that all online gaming is just yelling about owning someone shows factually that you don't know what you're talking about.



Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Yeah, like cussing on an earpiece microphone at someone you've never met.

Or talking, because that happens to. Tell your kids, since apparently they just yell all the time when they're playing.



Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Cars aren't just something I "like"; they're literally how I support my entire existence and pay for this internet I'm using. People pay me to fix or detail their vehicles. So it's not just some nerdy weekend hobby of mine, like you and your games.

So hobbies are only not nerdy when you make your living off of them? So you never liked cars before you made your living off of them, then?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Have you ever worked somewhere where they play a radio station or a CD that you hate, but because you still hear it all the time, you know all those songs by heart??



Yeah, like cussing on an earpiece microphone at someone you've never met.



Cars aren't just something I "like"; they're literally how I support my entire existence and pay for this internet I'm using. People pay me to fix or detail their vehicles. So it's not just some nerdy weekend hobby of mine, like you and your games. Dude they are VIDEO GAMES, man.