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What are some huge blunders and misssed opportunities that could have been grreat but fell flat.

Comes to mind:

1. The non releasing of marvel cartoons from the 1990's
2. Spiderman and the x-men arcade's revenge video game
3. Superman returns

Isn't there some DC vs. Mortal Kombat video game? srsly



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secret invasion.

Originally posted by Galan007
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a moron.

the end of civil war

WWH
OMD
Batman R.I.P.

Fox holding the rights to the Batman TV series of the 60s....not releasing them on DVD.

More...

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
the end of civil war All of Civil War.


The end of though, like you said was probably the worst, because it didn't tell us what really happened.
There was a worldwide brainwashing by an drunken angry Scottish man, so that it made all the characters in the story, save maybe Herc and Namor, and made them all act like completely out of character and/or complete idiots, and ****ed up the Marvel U worse than Thanos could on one of his universe conquering sprees.

Letting Geoff Johns off of JSA, will also be a blunder for the future. Just like letting him leave Teen Titans was previously.

Originally posted by Juntai
All of Civil War.


The end of though, like you said was probably the worst, because it didn't tell us what really happened.
There was a worldwide brainwashing by an drunken angry Scottish man, so that it made all the characters in the story, save maybe Herc and Namor, and made them all act like completely out of character and/or complete idiots, and ****ed up the Marvel U worse than Thanos could on one of his universe conquering sprees.

Sorry.

I loved Civil War

The ending of Infinite Crisis.

Originally posted by Juntai
Letting Geoff Johns off of JSA, will also be a blunder for the future. Just like letting him leave Teen Titans was previously.

JSA kinda takes care of itself, though, even before Johns' run. I think the writers have too much fear and/or respect for a lot of the golden oldies to put their own personal spin on things (i.e. f*ck it up)

But yeah, any other book that loses Johns is screwed.

Hopefully they let Johns off Green Lantern.

Originally posted by Vally Doosh
Hopefully they let Johns off Green Lantern.

Agreed. Maybe they'll bring on Loeb and we can see their old power levels for a change.

Seems to me like those Sinestro Corps lanterns kick ass. If Krib can take like 6 green lanterns, how the ****'d they lose?

Originally posted by Galan007
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...I think that guy might have broken his neck.

The Return of Superman...

Making Wolverine immortal basically...

WWH

Secret Invasion

Civil War

Countdown

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
...I think that guy might have broken his neck.

Naaaa...just split his nose

Infinity Crisis.

I tought WWH was great.

The explanation of why Hulk secceeded is that anyone besides the X-Men try to stop Hulk and not kill him.


- One More Day (They shouldn't do it, at all.)

Originally posted by Digi
JSA kinda takes care of itself, though, even before Johns' run. I think the writers have too much fear and/or respect for a lot of the golden oldies to put their own personal spin on things (i.e. f*ck it up)

But yeah, any other book that loses Johns is screwed. By 'before Johns run", do you mean the 8 issue mini from Robinson? Because JSA couldn't carry a title until Johns came along.

Johns wrote pretty much the entire last series, debuting on issue 3, and writing all but a few filler issues until 87, then started off the new one.

Originally posted by Vally Doosh
Hopefully they let Johns off Green Lantern. why would you wish that?

Originally posted by Juntai
why would you wish that?

cos he's tired of nobody wanking kyle. or hal being wanked over kyle.

dirtier than i'd intended, tbh...

Oh right! Kyle...another blunder and travesty!

Just like Damian Wayne...blah!

i guess i have to wait til the end to withhold judgment but for right now im thinking the whole krptonian debacle thats ongoing in DC at this moment.....sure for all intents and purposes history have shown us that there isnt any overt attack on kryptonians that dont involve obsessive characters like luthor, waller and lois lane's dada but to have the kryptonians be complete assholes in the meantime doesnt solicit sympathy from me any...they are advanced enuff to just say screw it, and lift the entire city out of orbit and build a new krypton or at th e very least kandor somewhere else, but noooooooo! even b4 the ***** move that was pullled on them by the P.T.Be they were planning to subjugate humanity

Originally posted by Galan007
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....ouch.

Originally posted by Juntai
why would you wish that? Because I hate everything.

If Dan Didio screws over Final Crisis by making Grant rewrite the ending, it will top everything on the last two pages. Especially because Grant might ditch DC over it. uhuh

Recent ones;

Countdown
Letting Metzler relaunch JLA
Launching ; Flash Fastest man Alive with a shit team
Trying to make Sentry Marvels Thor
The ongoing Supergirl serries
The return of Suicide Squad (When they already had a contempoary version in the Secret Six)
Killing Connor Kent
Not Keeping Justice League Elite book
D.C. Pissing off Rucka
Marvel letting go of Grant Morisson
Not letting Mark Millar write Superman
Not letting Millar and Grant Morisson write Superman 2000
The New World War 3 (D.C.)
Bringingback Hal Jordan
Pissing off Mark Waid
Every Single issue of the Outsiders, when the superior Justice League Elite existed
Failing to make Checkmate popular
Relagating Kyle Rynar to the GLC bench
Bringing back Jason Todd after Hush
Not making Jason Todd Hush
The entire Bendis Run on New Avengers
****ing the Superior Ultimate universe out of pure greed.
Not making Nor Vahr a prominent character sooner.
Letting anyone near Ares after Oeming.
Not bringing back Thor sooner.
Killing Wally, bringing him back only to relagate him into obscurity
Allowing Geoff Johns off the Flash
Cancelling Mark Waids Legion
The Wonder Woman relaunch
Not letting Gail Simone write Captain Marvel
Making Superman Birthright the officail origin for about a month.
The Green Lantern Emotional spectrum
Ignoring everything the Grant Morisson brought to the X men



Older Ones;
Our World at War
Zero Hour
Not Making the original World War three the epic crossover it should have been.
Making Hal Jordan kill the enitre Lantern Corp single handidly
Killing Superman
Relagating the Eternals into obscurity.
Marvel creating more Skyfather level beings than there are Superheroes.
Creating Thanos
Not allowing Alan Moore to do his version of the Original Crisis
Destroying the D.C. multiverse instead of revamping it to make sense.
Not giving Hypertime a chance to work
Killing Superman again
Letting Jeph Loeb any where near a mainstrem Superman storyline
Not giving Joe Kelly a lifetime contract to write Superman
Not letting Grant Morisson write the New Gods sooner.
D.C. not keeping Mark Millar.



The biggest one ever; D.C. pissing off Alan Moore

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Recent ones;

Countdown
Letting Metzler relaunch JLA
Launching ; Flash Fastest man Alive with a shit team
Trying to make Sentry Marvels Thor
The ongoing Supergirl serries
The return of Suicide Squad (When they already had a contempoary version in the Secret Six)
Killing Connor Kent
Not Keeping Justice League Elite book
D.C. Pissing off Rucka
Marvel letting go of Grant Morisson
Not letting Mark Millar write Superman
Not letting Millar and Grant Morisson write Superman 2000
The New World War 3 (D.C.)
Bringingback Hal Jordan
Pissing off Mark Waid
Every Single issue of the Outsiders, when the superior Justice League Elite existed
Failing to make Checkmate popular
Relagating Kyle Rynar to the GLC bench
Bringing back Jason Todd after Hush
Not making Jason Todd Hush
The entire Bendis Run on New Avengers
****ing the Superior Ultimate universe out of pure greed.
Not making Nor Vahr a prominent character sooner.
Letting anyone near Ares after Oeming.
Not bringing back Thor sooner.
Killing Wally, bringing him back only to relagate him into obscurity
Allowing Geoff Johns off the Flash
Cancelling Mark Waids Legion
The Wonder Woman relaunch
Not letting Gail Simone write Captain Marvel
Making Superman Birthright the officail origin for about a month.
The Green Lantern Emotional spectrum
Ignoring everything the Grant Morisson brought to the X men



Older Ones;
Our World at War
Zero Hour
Not Making the original World War three the epic crossover it should have been.
Making Hal Jordan kill the enitre Lantern Corp single handidly
Killing Superman
Relagating the Eternals into obscurity.
Marvel creating more Skyfather level beings than there are Superheroes.
Creating Thanos
Not allowing Alan Moore to do his version of the Original Crisis
Destroying the D.C. multiverse instead of revamping it to make sense.
Not giving Hypertime a chance to work
Killing Superman again
Letting Jeph Loeb any where near a mainstrem Superman storyline
Not giving Joe Kelly a lifetime contract to write Superman
Not letting Grant Morisson write the New Gods sooner.
D.C. not keeping Mark Millar.



The biggest one ever; D.C. pissing off Alan Moore

Why didn't you just say half of everything Marvel and Dc have done? Woulda saved you a lot of typing to type in the things you liked from both companies.

Clone Saga.
OMD.
Supes Returns aka The weightlifting movie
Wolverine 3
Elektra
Catwoman
Superman pulling off stupid feats like being a tank while being poisoned by Kryp. AND having a heart attack
Wolvie surviving a nuke and somehow stabbing Spidey during a training session & taking hits from Namor w/out flying.
DC wanking their holy trinity @the expense of everybody & everything else(mainly the story)
Having replacable Flashes & GLs, but still the same Supes, Bats & WW.
T-VO & anytime Supes looks superior to MM or Cap. Marvel
Kevin Smith taking time off from writing a great Spidey series: "The Evil That Men Do" to make...........Jersey Girl
Thor losing to Supes in JLA/Avengers.
Batman not getting owned by Cap in the same series, which led some fanboys to say stupid shit like, "Batman was lying"
Deathstroke looking formidable as hell against a team full of metas & then being incompetent against Batman.
Robin (Tim Drake) being alive.
J.Stewart not being as cool as he is on JLU.
Batman still being irresponsible enough to have lil' kids fight grown men w/guns.
Hal being alive.(Only cool when he's punching Bats in the face).
Marvel not promoting either Punisher movie enough.
Letting Rob Liefield draw anything.
B.Panther's mask in the Ultimate Avengers movie.
No U.S.(Udon) made books for the Capcom vs. SNK series.
Taskmaster wearing his old costume.
The Iron Spidey Suit.
Whoring Spidey out & giving him organics so he could be more like the movie.
Making Beast look so stupid.
Letting F.Quietly draw anything.
DC not letting Marvel handle the Batman/Daredevil book.
Batman Beyond being canceled
MTV showing the Spidey episodes out of order

Originally posted by willRules
Why didn't you just say half of everything Marvel and Dc have done? Woulda saved you a lot of typing to type in the things you liked from both companies.

But there are loads of things the companies have done that have been great. But some of the blunders mentioned are serious **** ups.

Originally posted by I-Drop

& anytime Supes looks superior to MM or Cap. Marvel

Thor losing to Supes in JLA/Avengers.
Batman not getting owned by Cap in the same series, which led some fanboys to say stupid shit like, "Batman was lying"
Deathstroke looking formidable as hell against a team full of metas & then being incompetent against Batman.
Robin (Tim Drake) being alive.

Batman still being irresponsible enough to have lil' kids fight grown men w/guns.

Marvel not promoting either Punisher movie enough.



Taskmaster wearing his old costume.

Making Beast look so stupid.
Letting F.Quietly draw anything.




On the whole I agree, except for the following examples above.

First time I've ever heard anyone cry about Zero Hour.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Recent ones;

Countdown
Letting Metzler relaunch JLA
Launching ; Flash Fastest man Alive with a shit team
Trying to make Sentry Marvels Thor
The ongoing Supergirl serries
The return of Suicide Squad (When they already had a contempoary version in the Secret Six)
Killing Connor Kent
Not Keeping Justice League Elite book
D.C. Pissing off Rucka
Marvel letting go of Grant Morisson
Not letting Mark Millar write Superman
Not letting Millar and Grant Morisson write Superman 2000
The New World War 3 (D.C.)
Bringingback Hal Jordan
Pissing off Mark Waid
Every Single issue of the Outsiders, when the superior Justice League Elite existed
Failing to make Checkmate popular
Relagating Kyle Rynar to the GLC bench
Bringing back Jason Todd after Hush
Not making Jason Todd Hush
The entire Bendis Run on New Avengers
****ing the Superior Ultimate universe out of pure greed.
Not making Nor Vahr a prominent character sooner.
Letting anyone near Ares after Oeming.
Not bringing back Thor sooner.
Killing Wally, bringing him back only to relagate him into obscurity
Allowing Geoff Johns off the Flash
Cancelling Mark Waids Legion
The Wonder Woman relaunch
Not letting Gail Simone write Captain Marvel
Making Superman Birthright the officail origin for about a month.
The Green Lantern Emotional spectrum
Ignoring everything the Grant Morisson brought to the X men



Older Ones;
Our World at War
Zero Hour
Not Making the original World War three the epic crossover it should have been.
Making Hal Jordan kill the enitre Lantern Corp single handidly
Killing Superman
Relagating the Eternals into obscurity.
Marvel creating more Skyfather level beings than there are Superheroes.
Creating Thanos
Not allowing Alan Moore to do his version of the Original Crisis
Destroying the D.C. multiverse instead of revamping it to make sense.
Not giving Hypertime a chance to work
Killing Superman again
Letting Jeph Loeb any where near a mainstrem Superman storyline
Not giving Joe Kelly a lifetime contract to write Superman
Not letting Grant Morisson write the New Gods sooner.
D.C. not keeping Mark Millar.



The biggest one ever; D.C. pissing off Alan Moore

Man...











































...just go out on a date, already.

I'm going to assume that was a joke

We don't have to rag on him simply because he put some thought into his post

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
First time I've ever heard anyone cry about Zero Hour.

Mate i've heard a lot of people moan about it. Its Just a very boring storyline. I mean people complain about how bad crossovers such as secret Invasion and Civil War, but Zero hour is on a whole new level of mediocrity. Whatever happened to Dan Jurgens ? He was once a quite good writer ?

Originally posted by Juntai
By 'before Johns run", do you mean the 8 issue mini from Robinson? Because JSA couldn't carry a title until Johns came along.

Johns wrote pretty much the entire last series, debuting on issue 3, and writing all but a few filler issues until 87, then started off the new one.

Did he? I didn't think he had been on that long.

Originally posted by Digi
Did he? I didn't think he had been on that long.

yup. the man's a machine.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I'm going to assume that was a joke

We don't have to rag on him simply because he put some thought into his post

Yeah i thought it was a little harsh as well. Especially coming from someone with this many posts

Total Posts: 6146

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Yeah i thought it was a little harsh as well. Especially coming from someone with this many posts

Total Posts: 6146

Check out my post count : D

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Mate i've heard a lot of people moan about it. Its Just a very boring storyline. I mean people complain about how bad crossovers such as secret Invasion and Civil War, but Zero hour is on a whole new level of mediocrity. Whatever happened to Dan Jurgens ? He was once a quite good writer ?

There was so much on stake in Zero Hour, and the villains were some of my favourites. Guess it comes down to a matter of opinion. Secret Invasion had like, nothing at stake nor did it have a great build up. Zero Hour was epic compared to it, in my opinion.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Check out my post count : D



There was so much on stake in Zero Hour, and the villains were some of my favourites. Guess it comes down to a matter of opinion. Secret Invasion had like, nothing at stake nor did it have a great build up. Zero Hour was epic compared to it, in my opinion.

Epic, but poor characterisation, poor dialogue and nothing more than your cliched ; Uber cosmic character threatens to destroy universe single handily, and then stopped by poorly thought out plot device. Also most of the comic amounted to nothing more than events in history disappearing, and redundant weaker characters standing around basically making appearances for the sake of it ( atheme prominent through out the 90's). Its basically a poor, poor version of COIE. Also wasn't there an incident where they use energy beams to support a city or something ? Its only redeeming feature was when the Spectre goes nuts with Hal, something i wish we saw more of nowadays. You know the shits hit the fan, when the Spectre shows up to kick your ass.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Check out my post count : D



Yes, u definitely seem to need a date.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
On the whole I agree, except for the following examples above. You still think the whole "kid sidekick" thing is cool?

Originally posted by I-Drop
You still think the whole "kid sidekick" thing is cool?

Depending on the context. I wouldn't have it in the movies, but it certainly worked in the Dark Knight Returns, and Robins have had their pivotal roles to play in numerous of my favourite comics. Identity Crisis, and For the Man who had everything spring to Mind.

There are loads of comic concepts that i don't think are great but, they have been used to work really well. The G.L. rings are a prime example. I mean they are basically 'magic' rings, a fictional concept that is unbelivably lame. However I wouldn't want D.C. to 'uncreate' them.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
But there are loads of things the companies have done that have been great. But some of the blunders mentioned are serious **** ups.

I agree


....although I like Bendis on the Avengers titles, especially New.

Originally posted by willRules
I agree


....although I like Bendis on the Avengers titles, especially New.

The New, new Avengers is cool. But the Mighty Avengers and old studff was rubbish.

Marvel should let Ellis have ago with the Avengers. It would be like a paint ball match inside houses of Commons while on mushrooms.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Check out my post count : D



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Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Yeah i thought it was a little harsh as well. Especially coming from someone with this many posts

Total Posts: 6146

Quality of thought > Quantity of whining.

Jim Starlin's Death Of The New Gods. Worst thing to ever happen to them.

Thank god Morrison seems to have retconned it.

Onslaught reborn.

Killing off Apocalypse in "Blood of Apocalypse." Most contrived storyline I've seen in awhile. Actually, should probably add Twelve Saga to that as well.

Apokolips Now. So much fail..........

Hush. Batman and Superman, plus Hush himself were done really well. Almost everyone else got screwed over. Joker especially.

Superman/Batman. Fun book, but there are tons of errors in it and the writing stunk.

Civil War. Just.....Civil War.

Countdown. Biggest waste of paper for the last 5 years in comics.

Originally posted by roughrider
Man...



...just go out on a date, already.

If you consider the above a quality post i suggest you do less.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Jim Starlin's Death Of The New Gods. Worst thing to ever happen to them.

Thank god Morrison seems to have retconned it.

Onslaught reborn.

Killing off Apocalypse in "Blood of Apocalypse." Most contrived storyline I've seen in awhile. Actually, should probably add Twelve Saga to that as well.

Apokolips Now. So much fail..........

Hush. Batman and Superman, plus Hush himself were done really well. Almost everyone else got screwed over. Joker especially.

Superman/Batman. Fun book, but there are tons of errors in it and the writing stunk.

Civil War. Just.....Civil War.

Countdown. Biggest waste of paper for the last 5 years in comics. pretty much agree with your list especially countdown,what was the point.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
If you consider the above a quality post i suggest you do less.

That was decades worth of venom on the list - sarcasm was all that came to my mind. Wasn't 'creating Thanos' on the list as well?

My response was a paraphrase from the Red Dwarf Anniversary special, where Kryten (Robert Llewellyn) reads some fan mail aboard the ship;
one particular piece of mail is so long in it's laundry list of complaints, he finally stops and says "Ever had a date, hmmm? I suggest you stop worrying so much and go out and meet some women!"

(Another letter about continuity problems makes him yell "I guess we just made a mistake! OKAY!?!?!?)

Originally posted by roughrider
That was decades worth of venom on the list - sarcasm was all that came to my mind. Wasn't 'creating Thanos' on the list as well?

My response was a paraphrase from the Red Dwarf Anniversary special, where Kryten (Robert Llewellyn) reads some fan mail aboard the ship;
one particular piece of mail is so long in it's laundry list of complaints, he finally stops and says "Ever had a date, hmmm? I suggest you stop worrying so much and go out and meet some women!"

(Another letter about continuity problems makes him yell "I guess we just made a mistake! OKAY!?!?!?)

Few of my qualms where actually about continuity errors, mainly about seriously bad writing. And yes Thanos is a rubbish character, who usually involved in sub standard story lines, (the exceptions being his mini, and the most recent Annihilation event where Marvel decided it was about time to kill him). Events like the "End" and Infinity Gauntlet are basically rip offs of Wolvmans Infinity crisis and most of Walter Simmons Thor run (both of which i don't particularly care for, but atleast i respect them as originals).

"Oh NO !!!! here comes another all one dimensional all powerful entity who wants to destroy the universe, because ummm ... he can ? Oh well, we'll just get everyone to team up (although most of the characters will be absolutely redundant) so can we appeal to a wider target audience".

Assuming this thread is about good story ideas that just were poorly executed I would have to say:

Bendis' run on the Mighty Avengers
-Ultron as a woman was stupid, but Ultron is awesome
-Venom attack on NY? Would make better as a Spider-man story (see Spider-Man: Web of Shadows video game)
-Doom and Iron Man back in the 80's? How did this go wrong?

Wally's return to being the flash again:
-The kids are a cool concept, but were ended up being more annoying than anything
-Especially Jai, seriously little kids with huge muscles aren't cool, they're creepy
-And instead of using any of the Flash's great villains they just made real generic new ones who nobody will ever remember or use again
-Wally not going acting like an average guy like he was when John's wrote him (No job as a mechanic? No time outside of the costume? He is acting like a regular DC Character which he isn't)
-Linda being a scientist all of a sudden?! And making her extremely boring, to boot.


Secret Invasion
-The first issue was awesome, but the rest just ended up just being a bunch of messy battle scenes with no real purpose (Essentially what Bendis does with the New Avengers)
-Essentially ending the series in the way Marvel has been ending all their crossovers over the last couple years; Really anti-climactic in order to initiate a new status quo that feels very forced, but will sell books like crazy for the first couple months, only to be dropped by most people until the innevitable crossover comes around.
-Essentially it sucks because of Bendis.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Epic, but poor characterisation, poor dialogue and nothing more than your cliched ; Uber cosmic character threatens to destroy universe single handily, and then stopped by poorly thought out plot device. Also most of the comic amounted to nothing more than events in history disappearing, and redundant weaker characters standing around basically making appearances for the sake of it ( atheme prominent through out the 90's). Its basically a poor, poor version of COIE. Also wasn't there an incident where they use energy beams to support a city or something ? Its only redeeming feature was when the Spectre goes nuts with Hal, something i wish we saw more of nowadays. You know the shits hit the fan, when the Spectre shows up to kick your ass. I think a lot of throwback characters you see standing around in backround shots or major crossovers, are just to keep up copyrights.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Assuming this thread is about good story ideas that just were poorly executed I would have to say:

Bendis' run on the Mighty Avengers
-Ultron as a woman was stupid, but Ultron is awesome
-Venom attack on NY? Would make better as a Spider-man story (see Spider-Man: Web of Shadows video game)
-Doom and Iron Man back in the 80's? How did this go wrong?

Wally's return to being the flash again:
-The kids are a cool concept, but were ended up being more annoying than anything
-Especially Jai, seriously little kids with huge muscles aren't cool, they're creepy
-And instead of using any of the Flash's great villains they just made real generic new ones who nobody will ever remember or use again
-Wally not going acting like an average guy like he was when John's wrote him (No job as a mechanic? No time outside of the costume? He is acting like a regular DC Character which he isn't)
-Linda being a scientist all of a sudden?! And making her extremely boring, to boot.


Did you miss Jai's comment about how he wish Wally would just abuse his powers and steal lots of money? So they wouldn't have to work?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Did you miss Jai's comment about how he wish Wally would just abuse his powers and steal lots of money? So they wouldn't have to work? lolol.

im waiting for powergirl to be like....wait a sec didnt i have a baby in Zero Hour?.....where the hell is my baby?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Hush. Batman and Superman, plus Hush himself were done really well. Almost everyone else got screwed over. Joker especially.
Hush was awesome.

Hush Returns, on the other hand, was awful.

Originally posted by Grimm22

Secret Invasion
-The first issue was awesome, but the rest just ended up just being a bunch of messy battle scenes with no real purpose (Essentially what Bendis does with the New Avengers)


And also the last couple parts of Secret invasion was good it was in the middle of it where got all confusing and messy.

Didn't Batman take the Hulk out in h2h or something retarded like that? Also, I read somewhere that he actually hurt or even defeated Carnage.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Didn't Batman take the Hulk out in h2h or something retarded like that? Also, I read somewhere that he actually hurt or even defeated Carnage.

Yeah it was in a Spider-man and Batman crossover drawn by Mark Bagley. It looks gorgeous but the plot is ridiculous. It ends with Spidey beating Joker and Batman beating Carnage

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Didn't Batman take the Hulk out in h2h or something retarded like that? Yes:

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1129268_bats1.jpg http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1129269_bats2.jpg

But it was a Bat-Kick, afterall.... So it's not really that surprising. ermmnone

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes:

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1129268_bats1.jpg http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1129269_bats2.jpg

But it was a Bat-Kick, afterall.... So it's not really that surprising. ermmnone


Uhhh..does Hulk normally get KOED by gas that easily...cause if he can I can actually see this because Batman doesn't hurt Hulk really just causes startles him which causes him to breathe in the gas...I somehow doubt that this amount of gas would do the trick though...

Originally posted by willRules
Yeah it was in a Spider-man and Batman crossover drawn by Mark Bagley. It looks gorgeous but the plot is ridiculous. It ends with Spidey beating Joker and Batman beating Carnage


How the fak did Batman beat Carnage? Another bat-kick? Please tell me he had some insane sonics or a giant flamethrower...or more like...well....

some wolverine blunders...

Not somehow keeping Chris Claremont writing Logan

Letting Hamma turn Wolverine into the guy who neglects skill over healing and unbreakable bones

Letting Daniel Way write origins

Letting Daniel Way within 50 yards of a writing implement

The entirety of Wolverine volume 3

Making Wolverine's claws cut through his skin.

Letting Loeb handle the "final" battle between Creed and Logan

Sabretooth being decapitated like he was nothing in his "final" fight with Logan.

The idea that Logan and Creed are dog-people who somehow evolved along side with hominids.