UFC vs Boxing

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Wil Deidara
What is the better fighting sport?

Digi
Boxing

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Bicnarok

StyleTime
UFC is an organization, not a sport. You must mean mixed martial arts or vale tudo.

MMA/Vale Tudo is the easy choice of course.

Dr. Leg Kick
Horrible thread.

I love Mixed Martial Arts, K1 Kickboxing, and Boxing.

MMA is simply every aspect of fighting put together.

Originally posted by Digi
Boxing

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Why?

forumcrew
MMA has some very exciting moments to it, but it cant hold a candle to a great boxing match (IMO)

Digi
Originally posted by Dr. Leg Kick
Why?

Originally posted by forumcrew
MMA has some very exciting moments to it, but it cant hold a candle to a great boxing match

thumb up

...MMA seems more promising in theory, then just isn't as exciting and, dare I say it, technical.

Dr. Leg Kick
Originally posted by Digi
thumb up

...MMA seems more promising in theory, then just isn't as exciting and, dare I say it, technical. I don't know what you have been watching, but it's as technical as kickboxing and boxing. hell, it has the elements of the two.

I can understand the lower and mid tier guyz now showing technique, but that's due to them evolving and climbing to the top.

the top tier fighters are all technique.

I-Drop
MMA.

Kosta
MMA all the way. As the name suggests, it combines a bunch of different martial arts, including boxing. I have noticed, however, that as of late there have been fewer and fewer different martial arts involved, and it's all mostly grapplers and kick boxers. There used to be more of a range of martial arts. Still though, UFC takes the cake, for me personally.

Ha Son
Originally posted by Digi
thumb up

...MMA seems more promising in theory, then just isn't as exciting and, dare I say it, technical.
You're thinking of the old school MMA without rules. If you think MMA (current) isn't technical, then you're mistaken. Take Kimbo for example, a street fighter who got ko'd in 36 seconds. MMA requires knowledge in Boxing, Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Greco-Roman/Freestyle Wrestling, Judo and sambo etc. Fighters need to be trained in each of these MA's in order to step into the cage if they want to win.

This clip is an example of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Catch Wrestling being applied perfectly in MMA:

c8_FevrLdaw

guy222
MMA

Heretic Smellin
Apparently people like watching 30 seconds worth of a fight, bunch of ****ing weirdos.

Dr. Leg Kick
Originally posted by Heretic Smellin
Apparently people like watching 30 seconds worth of a fight, bunch of ****ing weirdos. Nice generalization. Watch the sport before you judge.

batdude123
Originally posted by Digi
Boxing

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Your opinion has no merit.

Thanks for playing.

UFC>>>>>Boxing

Dr. Leg Kick
Originally posted by batdude123
Your opinion has no merit.

Thanks for playing.

UFC>>>>>Boxing Neither does yours since you posted in the same manner as him.

Lord Shadow Z
I like boxing better because I think its more of a better discipline to only have to use your fists.

MMA has a lot more variety as opposed to boxing but can get very boring if the referee lets the fighters roll around on the floor too much (that being said it is also slow when boxers tend to hug each other for 12 rounds). Its more violent than boxing when it kicks off but then its over too soon and thus less enjoyable, at least for me.

I like both but prefer boxing.

DeathKap
MMA!!!

Sado22
anyone remember Ali fighting that weird dude back in the day? what's his face?

anyway, MMA>boxing. i'm a boxer but i know that someone who can only throw blows standing, has clinches and has no throws has got nothing going on someone whose fighting style incorporate throws, submissions and an ability to strike from any position and no clinches. boxing is more fun to watch though.

Dr. Leg Kick
MMA is an evolved form of Pankration fighting, which has existed since Ancient Greece. It's just as old as Boxing, and just as relevant. It even has aspects to Boxing.

Both are great sports. Simple as that.

LDHZenkai
Originally posted by Digi
thumb up

...MMA seems more promising in theory, then just isn't as exciting and, dare I say it, technical.
The parts most people consider boring in MMA are the ones where they roll around on the ground. This is actually the most technical part of a fight usually. Each opponent vying for a better position, using leverage, tactics, and speed to catch someone in a submission or pass their guard for some ground and pound. Most your good MMA guys have technical boxing skills too and actually have professional class boxing trainers.

Sado22
which porno flick are you talking about? shifty

mr.smiley
Originally posted by Sado22
anyone remember Ali fighting that weird dude back in the day? what's his face?

anyway, MMA>boxing. i'm a boxer but i know that someone who can only throw blows standing, has clinches and has no throws has got nothing going on someone whose fighting style incorporate throws, submissions and an ability to strike from any position and no clinches. boxing is more fun to watch though.
Antonio Inoki?

But yeah this is a pretty easy pick.
MMA.

Mindset
Neither one is better, it's all opinions.

Like asking what's better, Basketball or Soccer, obviously Basketball is better...wait, what was I saying?

StyleTime
Originally posted by Mindset
wait, what was I saying?
You were about to tell everyone that MMA is better.

id369

mr.smiley
Originally posted by Mindset
Neither one is better, it's all opinions.

Like asking what's better, Basketball or Soccer, obviously Basketball is better...wait, what was I saying?

I get what you're saying.
A lot of people like to say it's comparing apples and oranges.
But I think with the case of MMA it's a little different.
I say that because of the nature of what one on one combat is.
boxing is a very limited form of one on one combat that lets participants strike eachother.
You can't really do anything in the clinch.
You can't take your opponent to the mat.
You can't submit your opponent.
You can't kick your opponent.

Now MMA incorporates much much more than boxing.
Yes,boxers look better at boxing that your average MMA guy.
But that's because an MMA fighter cannot focus straight on boxing.
He has to add a lot more to his arsenal.

I'm not really trying to disagree with you,because it comes down a lot just to personal taste in the end.

But I think Boxing and MMA are alot more closley related than Soccer and Basketball.

grimify
Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
What is the better fighting sport?

As far as pure entertainment, probably boxing.

I've always enjoyed watching and practicing Judo more than boxing/kickboxing so I would pick MMA. wink

Slay
Bit ridiculous to claim there's no technique in MMA. BJ Penn has been world champion in Jiu Jitsu and Dan Henderson was an Olympic wrestler.

Mindset
Originally posted by mr.smiley
I get what you're saying.
A lot of people like to say it's comparing apples and oranges.
But I think with the case of MMA it's a little different.
I say that because of the nature of what one on one combat is.
boxing is a very limited form of one on one combat that lets participants strike eachother.
You can't really do anything in the clinch.
You can't take your opponent to the mat.
You can't submit your opponent.
You can't kick your opponent.

Now MMA incorporates much much more than boxing.
Yes,boxers look better at boxing that your average MMA guy.
But that's because an MMA fighter cannot focus straight on boxing.
He has to add a lot more to his arsenal.

I'm not really trying to disagree with you,because it comes down a lot just to personal taste in the end.

But I think Boxing and MMA are alot more closley related than Soccer and Basketball. How about Football and Rugby?

Again, it's all opinions, it doesn't matter if they are 99% a like, that was not the point of my post.

mr.smiley
Originally posted by Mindset
How about Football and Rugby?

Again, it's all opinions, it doesn't matter if they are 99% a like, that was not the point of my post.

Yes but within MMA and boxing they are both combat sports.
The question was which is the better fighting sport.
Boxing only incorperates one aspect of of combat fighting,while MMA incorperates many more.
While the one aspect boxing has is represented better in it's own sport than it proabably is in MMA,MMA all around has more aspects of fighting.
Their not 99% alike at all.
Boxing only has one aspect of a combat sport.
MMA has many more.
Therefore I would say instead of being like apple and oranges,in boxings case it would be; okay,here's an apple,but you can only eat the skin of it.
MMA imploys many more aspects of fighting,therefore I think most would have to assume it's a better fighting sport.
I can agree it is down to opinions,but for the sake of arguement That's why I would say MMA.

jaden101
It's a matter of preference really. I prefer boxing.

Dr. Leg Kick
Originally posted by jaden101
It's a matter of preference really. I prefer boxing. As much as I love Boxing and Mixed Martial Arts, I prefer K1 Kickboxing. K1 MAX to be exact.

The striking is just phenomenal, and the fights are always high paced. Every single fighter deserves to be in that ring, and I've always been impressed with the showcase of skills.

Buakaw
Masato
Gago Drago
Zambidis
Kyshenko
Kraus
Petrossian

The list goes on

Mindset
Originally posted by mr.smiley
Yes but within MMA and boxing they are both combat sports.
The question was which is the better fighting sport.
Boxing only incorperates one aspect of of combat fighting,while MMA incorperates many more.
While the one aspect boxing has is represented better in it's own sport than it proabably is in MMA,MMA all around has more aspects of fighting.
Their not 99% alike at all.
Boxing only has one aspect of a combat sport.
MMA has many more.
Therefore I would say instead of being like apple and oranges,in boxings case it would be; okay,here's an apple,but you can only eat the skin of it.
MMA imploys many more aspects of fighting,therefore I think most would have to assume it's a better fighting sport.
I can agree it is down to opinions,but for the sake of arguement That's why I would say MMA. When it depends entirely on opinion you can't really make a legitimate argument for one being better than the other.

Dr. Leg Kick
Originally posted by Mindset
When it depends entirely on opinion you can't really make a legitimate argument for one being better than the other. MMA is just as old as Boxing, but in the ancient times, it was known as Pankration.

Anyway, both are great sports. One is a sport of punching, the other is striking and grappling.

Mindset
Not sure what your post actually had to do with mine, or are you just telling me some info?

Dr. Leg Kick
Originally posted by Mindset
Not sure what your post actually had to do with mine, or are you just telling me some info? Wasn't aimed for you. Quoted out of instinct.

Gamerr-X
I prefer MMA/UFC over Boxing any day.

Funner to watch imo, all round fighting ability including submissions.

mr.smiley
Originally posted by Mindset
When it depends entirely on opinion you can't really make a legitimate argument for one being better than the other.

You can say that about almost anything though.

And I think it also depends on what is ment when the original poster said "better".

Mindset
Originally posted by mr.smiley
You can say that about almost anything though.
Yea, anything that is opinion based.

mr.smiley
I think if with "better" you mean all around combat sport, then I would have to say it's a fact MMA is better.
If it is ment on pure entertainment level,then I would say that is totaly opinion.

handsdown
mma is cool because it is in relative terms more practical to learn to addapt to the situation.and modern boxing is stupid it is like 8 2 minute rounds so the endurence aspect is less important and it is more complex to avoid punches,kicks,knees,elbows.it is easier to box as a boxer mma is difficult to say the least. a mma guy can beat a boxer if the mma guy is good on the ground

HueyFreeman
If you want all around then ufc but as far as hand to hand abilities you get more from boxing. Styles like in-fighting, outfighting, speed-fighting, boxing, brawling, counter punching. A boxers punching ability is on a completely different level than even a ufc fighter. You dont really see how different til you see them on the street. Funniest thing I will every remember was I saw a dude 6.2 300lb challenge a 5.6 140 pound prize fighter. He starched the dude on the first punch. Zab Judah has done that to a couple of big dudes as well.

Nyan Cat
To watch, Boxing... Striking in MMA is usually shit.

MMA is flawed in favour of grapplers at it's very core rule wise.

srankmissingnin
I like the UFC as much as the next guy, but boxing is about a million times more exciting to watch than most MMA matches. The majority of MMA matches boil down to a few seconds of fighting, and then one fighter leaning the other guy against the cage, or laying on top of him for four minutes.

Mindset
K1

Quiero Mota
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I like the UFC as much as the next guy, but boxing is about a million times more exciting to watch than most MMA matches. The majority of MMA matches boil down to a few seconds of fighting, and then one fighter leaning the other guy against the cage, or laying on top of him for four minutes.

Equally boring are boxing matches where the two guys just dance around for 12 rounds. You see, any combat sport can be boring when the two guys don't actively engage each other, and just play grab-ass. Besides, MMA has rules that do not allow for inactivity. And that tends to happen more in one-style MA tournaments/fights, especially grappling ones. BJJ tourneys where they wear gi's can be boring as hell, and too often they just lay there playing patty cake. But that's actually systematic, because they're often coached to be passive and wait to capitalize on mistakes. Though, in general, I think striking is much more exciting to watch than two dudes rolling around on the floor. I'd rather watch a pure Muay Thai or Taekwondo fight over a BJJ match any day of the week.

Mindset
To me, boring Boxing > boring MMA.

But then again, I'm always right.

Anyway, K1.

maxman1180
BOth bring entertainment. So I like both sport.

cool_ghost
Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
What is the better fighting sport?

Better?

In entertainment, its purely opinionated, but I would easily say mma. Boxing is too slow, its technical but just to slow. They punch a lot and not much happens... knockouts do happen but they dont come as often as I would like, especially at the professional levels, and even then when using your hands the knockouts can only be so different.

MMA has a lot more variety, and (as already stated) has much more too it. Pretty much every fighting style is incorporated, so it obviously takes more technique in more categories, and watching someone get slammed on there head or superman punched to the face is a lot more entertaining that "jab jab clinch jab jab hook".

long pig
Boxing isnt fighting, is dancing wth punches. MMA is lightyears ahead.

0mega Spawn
by lightyears ahead you mean flat footed roid monkeys swinging wildly for a KO & dry humping eachother then yes

batdude123
No, by light years ahead, he means that boxing is the most limited form of combat sports. It's fun to watch, but Floyd Mayweather isn't stopping Dominick Cruz from putting him on his ass with the philly shell defense.

Robtard
Any top boxer would demolish any top MMA guy.

StyleTime
Pay no mind to Omega Spawn. He still thinks Bruce Lee could one inch punch Anderson Silva to death.

Robtard is just being funny. I hope.

batdude123
Originally posted by StyleTime
Robtard is just being funny. I hope.

This. Otherwise, the second syllable of his username is apt.

dbonelli80
You must mean mixed martial arts or vale tudo.http://www.infoocean.info/avatar4.jpg

srankmissingnin
I think with those 4 oz mma gloves Floyd Mayweather could tko Dominic Cruz before he can shoot for a double leg. embarrasment

batdude123
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think with those 4 oz mma gloves Floyd Mayweather could tko Dominic Cruz before he can shoot for a double leg. embarrasment

http://i.imgur.com/nzUfd.gif

Good one.

Robtard
This is what Tyson in his prime would say to any MMA guy shooting for his legs:



http://i37.tinypic.com/mw9puo.jpg

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Tyson_b78bb1_292235.gif



http://www.google.com/imgres?q=mike+tyson+uppercut+gif&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1365&bih=807&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnso&tbnid=ctzYQNLm_rmHwM:&imgrefurl=http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_gifs/9496/Tyson/&docid=sM2RfRX7IwYWTM&imgurl=http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Tyson_b78bb1_292235.gif&w=255&h=188&ei=2GyIT_X-J8GqiQKj66zUCw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=717&vpy=487&dur=284&hovh=146&hovw=194&tx=76&ty=61&sig=113756751842646971300&page=1&tbnh=146&tbnw=194&start=0&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:15,s:0,i:101

batdude123
No. Mike would get put on his ass like it was nothing, because he doesn't have any takedown defense. From there, he'd be flipping and flopping around on his back like a fish out of water.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Robtard
This is what Tyson in his prime would say to any MMA guy shooting for his legs:
*snipped for space* Neither of those pics were takedown attempts, so it's hard to argue that Tyson would do that to "any MMA guy shooting for his legs." Tyson has the KO power, but that isn't a reliable answer to a takedown as we've seen in countless fights now. It is possible, but it is not consistent.

During a proper double leg, you'd step through your opponent's legs and put them off balance before the actual "take down" happens. You can't generate much power without the use of your hips, as Tyson is doing there. That's not including set ups like this simple one from Georges St. Pierre.

http://cdn2.cagepotato.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/gsp_alves_takedown.gif

GSP feints with his left hand causing Alves to move his head right and sidestep, allowing GSP to drop levels and go for the double. GSP uses more of a blast double than a standard double leg, but the point is there.

Against Georges St. Pierre, Tyson wouldn't have the luxury of GSP ducking while patiently waiting to land an uppercut. GSP would already have him falling over before Tyson throws the punch. Not to mention, Alves has better takedown defese and had a much better stance than Tyson would have for stopping takedowns.

Is it possible to KO someone on the shoot? Hell yes. Is it likely? Not from what we've seen in years of fights.

Robtard
Originally posted by batdude123
No. Mike would get put on his ass like it was nothing, because he doesn't have any takedown defense. From there, he'd be flipping and flopping around on his back like a fish out of water.

If being able to KO your opponent with a single blow when they shoot and BEFORE they take you to the floor isn't "having any take-down defense" to you, then you're a bit nutty in the head, guy.

Robtard
Originally posted by StyleTime
GSP feints with his left hand causing Alves to move his head right and sidestep, allowing GSP to drop levels and go for the double. GSP uses more of a blast double than a standard double leg, but the point is there.

Is it possible to KO someone on the shoot? Hell yes. Is it likely? Not from what we've seen in years of fights.

Tyson wouldn't likely fall for the "look at my left hand" trick. He's a professional boxer; he generally knows when a punch is real or feinted. Measuring the punching, shoulder-position and head-movement of his opponent is his forte.

Because MMA doesn't have any fighters with the punching power, speed and tenacity Tyson has shown in his prime. The man could duck down almost with his knees touching the floor and rise with a devastating uppercut in the blink of an eye.

GPS would wake up 2 minutes later wondering what happened and speaking improper French.

batdude123
Originally posted by Robtard
If being able to KO your opponent with a single blow when they shoot and BEFORE they take you to the floor isn't "having any take-down defense" to you, then you're a bit nutty in the head, guy.

You're a bit "nutty in the head" if you think all Tyson needs to stop a takedown is an uppercut, friend.

Tyson loses every single time against a heavyweight wrestler. Every. Single. Time.

Robtard
Originally posted by batdude123
You're a bit "nutty in the head" if you think all Tyson needs to stop a takedown is an uppercut, friend.

Tyson loses every single time against a heavyweight wrestler. Every. Single. Time.

Yes, because people shooting are impervious from being KO'd. Right.

Seems your angle is fanboy then?

batdude123
Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, because people shooting are impervious from being KO'd. Right.

Seems your angle is fanboy then?

But Tyson is impervious to being taken down when he's never fought a wrestler before, and has absolutely no idea how to defend a takedown. Right.

My angle is logic. Of the two of us, I'd say the one arguing that a guy who only knows how to fight in the most limited form of combat sports would beat any of the most well-rounded fighters on Earth in a real fight is a fanboy.

Tyson gets put on his back = he's done.

Robtard
Originally posted by batdude123
But Tyson is impervious to being taken down when he's never fought a wrestler before, and has absolutely no idea how to defend a takedown. Right.

My angle is logic. Of the two of us, I'd say the one arguing that a guy who only knows how to fight in the most limited form of combat sports would beat any of the most well-rounded fighters on Earth in a real fight is a fanboy.

Tyson gets put on his back = he's done.

He knows how to KO a fool coming low at him; he's done it before. So to act like it's impossible and could "never" happen is silly.

You used to wrestle in High School, huh?

Yes, if that happens before he shuts off the fool's engine with a hit, he's done. Though he was an impressively strong man and knew how to bite, as shown.

batdude123
Originally posted by Robtard
He knows how to KO a fool coming low at him; he's done it before. So to act like it's impossible and could "never" happen is silly.

You used to wrestle in High School, huh?

Yes, if that happens before he shuts off the fool's engine with a hit, he's done. Though he was an impressively strong man and knew how to bite, as shown.

The problem is, like in the gif you posted, the guy was simply ducking with his guard up and he was a stagnant target. He wasn't grabbing Tyson's legs and trying to drive through his body. "Could" Tyson catch a guy before being taken down? Of course. Anything is possible. But the vast majority of the time, Tyson gets taken down.

I'm more of a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu guy, to be honest. But I have learned freestyle takedowns and Greco-Roman takedowns from the clinch.

Good point about the biting. Nobody's ears are safe as long as Mike is around.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Robtard
Tyson wouldn't likely fall for the "look at my left hand" trick. He's a professional boxer; he generally knows when a punch is real or feinted. Measuring the punching, shoulder-position and head-movement of his opponent is his forte.

Because MMA doesn't have any fighters with the punching power, speed and tenacity Tyson has shown in his prime. The man could duck down almost with his knees touching the floor and rise with a devastating uppercut in the blink of an eye.

GPS would wake up 2 minutes later wondering what happened and speaking improper French.
A feint doesn't actually look any different until it's pulled back. You're just triggering their reflexes long enough to do something else. Fighters fall for them even at higher levels, just like Thiago Alves did up above. Besides, it's just one example of a set up. Tons exist, and Tyson had little knowledge of them.

Anderson Silva and several others have those same attributes....along with high level grappling. That is the problem for boxers. MMA fighters know the tools of boxing while boxers are nearly clueless about MMA. Ducking, which is a bigger risk in MMA due to things like knees, doesn't even begin to account for his disadvantage.

Keep in mind, I haven't even gotten into the other forms of takedowns or striking out there. There are several fighters who could likely KO Tyson without grappling.

As for GSP, GSP would have Tyson tapping out less than a minute into the first round.

Heck, Tyson has openly admitted that toe stomps would take him out of the fight.... shifty

Mindset
I doubt there are many fighters who would be in his weightclass that could ko Tyson.

GSP wouldn't do shit but dry hump Tyson, let's be honest.

StyleTime
Ok.

Dry hump then submit him, yes. It's not like Tyson had submission defense.

Mindset
Neither did Dan Hardy.

batdude123
Mindset is a dick.

GSP would submit him in the first round.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Mindset
Neither did Dan Hardy.
http://i.imgur.com/qqCDe.gif

Bouboumaster
Originally posted by Mindset
Neither did Dan Hardy.

This is the submission of Dan Hardy. The same type that Tyson would display:

http://img.mixedmartialarts.com/method=get&s=gsp-dan-hardy-03-28-10-11-55-42-986.jpg

Bouboumaster
Also, this is two ex-champions going at it:
James Toney vs Randy Couture.

Let's just say Toney wasn't close of grabbing the victory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt8thufC6oo

Robtard
Originally posted by Mindset
I doubt there are many fighters who would be in his weightclass that could ko Tyson.

GSP wouldn't do shit but dry hump Tyson, let's be honest.

/facts

/fact

Naija boy
Originally posted by StyleTime
A feint doesn't actually look any different until it's pulled back. You're just triggering their reflexes long enough to do something else. Fighters fall for them even at higher levels, just like Thiago Alves did up above. Besides, it's just one example of a set up. Tons exist, and Tyson had little knowledge of them.

Anderson Silva and several others have those same attributes....along with high level grappling. That is the problem for boxers. MMA fighters know the tools of boxing while boxers are nearly clueless about MMA. Ducking, which is a bigger risk in MMA due to things like knees, doesn't even begin to account for his disadvantage.

Keep in mind, I haven't even gotten into the other forms of takedowns or striking out there. There are several fighters who could likely KO Tyson without grappling.

As for GSP, GSP would have Tyson tapping out less than a minute into the first round.

Heck, Tyson has openly admitted that toe stomps would take him out of the fight.... shifty

Pretty spot on.

Mindset
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
This is the submission of Dan Hardy. The same type that Tyson would display:

http://img.mixedmartialarts.com/method=get&s=gsp-dan-hardy-03-28-10-11-55-42-986.jpg I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Hardy wasn't submitted.

0mega Spawn
tyson in his prime would close the distance & pummel any MMA fighter

anybody who says otherwise is an idiot

StyleTime
Originally posted by Robtard
/facts

/fact
Oddly enough, Mindset's statements don't actually conflict with mine. He just likes screwing with people, aka being Mindset.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
tyson in his prime would close the distance & pummel any MMA fighter

anybody who says otherwise is an idiot
To believe that, you'd have to ignore practically everything combat sports have shown us in the last 20 years.

Naija boy
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
tyson in his prime would close the distance & pummel any MMA fighter

anybody who says otherwise is an idiot

This is straight laughable.

Robtard
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
tyson in his prime would close the distance & pummel any MMA fighter

anybody who says otherwise is an idiot


50-6-2 with 44 of those 50 being KOs says something of the man.

StyleTime
It says he was an awesome boxer.

guy222
both are run by crooks and its not much fun

sure a k/o or a choke is hillarious but the thrill of fairness is long gone

Chef Mikey
I find the UFC more entertaining because the rounds are longer meaning there is more chance for something to happen and there is variation like grappling, takedowns, chokes and variety in strikes.

Padawan Obi-Wan
Camera work in UFC is also a lot better than boxing. You get a clearer and cleaner look at the action. Plus the gloves in boxing kinda ruin it, it is almost like watching people hit each other with batons like in galditaors. Fist sized gloves look better when UFC fighters punch each other. Longer rounds are better as wekk.

0mega Spawn
Originally posted by Naija boy
This is straight laughable. why?

striking is a part of MMA & tyson is notorious for his punching power

most MMA fighters are brawlers anyways which is suicide against Tyson...

he'd connect & KO most MMA fighters easily considering the only thing they can do is try & close the distance & grapple him.

Bias MMA fans are biased

0mega Spawn
Originally posted by Robtard
50-6-2 with 44 of those 50 being KOs says something of the man. not to biased MMA fans.

StyleTime
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
most MMA fighters are brawlers anyways

That is not actually true though.

0mega Spawn
BS most MMA fighters either grapple or slug it out.
rarely do you see technical striking unless its anderson silva

reason i stopped watching it

batdude123
I don't know when you stopped watching, but the talent pool in MMA is now much, MUCH deeper than it used to be. There are plenty of talented strikers I've never even heard of who fight on the prelims now.

StyleTime
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
BS most MMA fighters either grapple or slug it out.
rarely do you see technical striking unless its anderson silva

reason i stopped watching it
I wouldn't say "most" of them slug it out. There are several technical strikers in MMA, especially now. Striking in MMA isn't the exact same as pure boxing or kickboxing, so it looks off to some people. Even Tyson has admitted that MMA strikers are far more technical than people give them credit for.

Of course, there are brawlers out there though. Chris Leben comes to mind.

0mega Spawn
I stopped watching it a few years ago.
even still I won't take peoples word on what's going on then or now
considering the fans are more or less the same.

batdude123
I was a fan then, and I'm a fan now. I can tell you that striking has improved dramatically across the board. You've got kids now like Renan Barao and Rory MacDonald that are absolute dynamos and are only getting better with each fight.

Mindset
They suck.

It's all about Nate Diaz, homie.

batdude123
F*ck you. F*ck the Diaz bros. F*ck Stockton.

srankmissingnin
Lets be honest if anyone in MMA had good enough hands to be competitive in Boxing, then they'd be Boxing. The Boxing money is so much better, it's easier and less physically demanding, there is no reason to be in the UFC if you can Box.

batdude123
Let's be honest, the only people making money in boxing are those at the top. Nobody makes Mayweather/Pacquiao money except for those two. Everybody else is getting paid peanuts in comparison.

Mindset
Originally posted by batdude123
Let's be honest, the only people making money in boxing are those at the top. Nobody makes Mayweather/Pacquiao money except for those two. Everybody else is getting paid peanuts in comparison. The top earners in the UFC are getting paid peanuts in comparison.

Most athletes are getting paid peanuts in comparison.

There is still more money to be had in boxing, basketball, football, etc. than mma.

batdude123
Originally posted by Mindset
The top earners in the UFC are getting paid peanuts in comparison.

Most athletes are getting paid peanuts in comparison.

There is still more money to be had in boxing, basketball, football, etc. than mma.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Lets be honest if anyone in MMA had good enough hands to be competitive in Boxing, then they'd be Boxing. The Boxing money is so much better, it's easier and less physically demanding, there is no reason to be in the UFC if you can Box.

Translation: Anybody with good hands should box. Chris Lytle was 13-1-1 as a professional boxer, and didn't make shit. The point is, nobody in boxing is getting Mayweather money. There are more people in the UFC on average who can make a comfortable living doing MMA without having to be GSP or Anderson Silva.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by batdude123
Let's be honest, the only people making money in boxing are those at the top. Nobody makes Mayweather/Pacquiao money except for those two. Everybody else is getting paid peanuts in comparison.

I'm pretty sure that if you are a middle of the road boxer competing in a professional promotion you are making more than a middle of the road fighter in the UFC. GSP was the top earner in the UFC and he isn't getting anywhere close to Mayweather or Pacquiao money.

I don't know if boxing has knockout of the night, submission on the night or fight of the night bonus though, because those are 50k a pop.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by batdude123
Translation: Anybody with good hands should box. Chris Lytle was 13-1-1 as a professional boxer, and didn't make shit. The point is, nobody in boxing is getting Mayweather money. There are more people in the UFC on average who can make a comfortable living doing MMA without having to be GSP or Anderson Silva.

It's not like he was boxing in the WBC or WBO, you are comparing a state boxing promotion to the premiere MMA organization in the world. The fact that he wasn't good enough to make it to one of the major league boxing organizations but had sucess as a gate keeper in the office kinda proves my point.

Robtard
White himself puts it in perspective. Top MMA fighters can't compete with top boxers in terms of earning, but the mid and lowers tiers can be comparable. Give it time though.

http://www.mmatko.com/dana-white-talks-ufc-money-vs-boxing-money/

Nick Diaz made $600k in 2011.

batdude123
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm pretty sure that if you are a middle of the road boxer competing in a professional promotion you are making more than a middle of the road fighter in the UFC. GSP was the top earner in the UFC and he isn't getting anywhere close to Mayweather or Pacquiao money.

I don't know if boxing has knockout of the night, submission on the night or fight of the night bonus though, because those are 50k a pop.

I'm not sure I agree with that. And in any case, that's the problem with boxing nowadays. Promoters are ruining the sport. They're taking the majority of their fighters' purses, and setting up young, athletic prospects who are 20-0 up against old, busted up bums who are 12-15. And in the UFC, you have the potential to make money faster without having to go 30-0 in shit holes in order to see any monetary gain.

Yeah, boxing doesn't have those bonuses. And those bonuses are at least 50k, sometimes higher.

batdude123
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's not like he was boxing in the WBC or WBO, you are comparing a state boxing promotion to the premiere MMA organization in the world. The fact that he wasn't good enough to make it to one of the major league boxing organizations but had sucess as a gate keeper in the office kinda proves my point.

He had success in the UFC as a gate keeper because he's also a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. no expression Come on, now.

Mindset
Originally posted by batdude123
Translation: Anybody with good hands should box. Chris Lytle was 13-1-1 as a professional boxer, and didn't make shit. The point is, nobody in boxing is getting Mayweather money. There are more people in the UFC on average who can make a comfortable living doing MMA without having to be GSP or Anderson Silva. Lytle sucked.

There are people who aren't Mayweather who make good money in boxing.

batdude123
Originally posted by Mindset
Lytle sucked.

There are people who aren't Mayweather who make good money in boxing.

You suck.

Didn't say there weren't.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by batdude123
He had success in the UFC as a gate keeper because he's also a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. no expression Come on, now.

Obviously. confused

batdude123
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Obviously. confused

I'm just saying, there are very few people in the world who can say they were pro boxers and are also black belts in BJJ.

Phoenix2001
I don't think either sport is really better than the other. It's whatever gets your rocks off the most. But, it's a no-brainer as to which sport has the most combat effectiveness.

StyleTime
I agree.

Mindset
Originally posted by batdude123
I'm just saying, there are very few people in the world who can say they were pro boxers and are also black belts in BJJ. Very few try.

I'm sure there are many UFC fighters with BB who could go pro in boxing, not that they'd be any good.

Mindset
Originally posted by Phoenix2001
I don't think either sport is really better than the other. It's whatever gets your rocks off the most. But, it's a no-brainer as to which sport has the most combat effectiveness. Yup.

Boxing.

StyleTime
http://i.imgur.com/FhuWT.jpg

batdude123
Originally posted by Mindset
Very few try.

I'm sure there are many UFC fighters with BB who could go pro in boxing, not that they'd be any good.

Very few try because it's extremely difficult and requires a ridiculous amount of discipline.

I don't see what your point here is. No top level boxers are going to be MMA champs either.

Mindset
I'm saying that being a sucky pro boxer isn't much of an accomplishment.

What does your last sentence have to do with anything?

batdude123
Originally posted by Mindset
I'm saying that being a sucky pro boxer isn't much of an accomplishment.

What does your last sentence have to do with anything?

That's not being a sucky pro boxer when you're 13-1-1.

It's pretty self explanatory. You were acting like anybody could be a black belt in BJJ and box professionally. That's not the case. All of your implied reverence of the skill level of championship boxers takes away from the fact that championship mixed martial artists are better fighters.

Mindset
Last time I checked you didn't need a 13-1-1 record to be a pro boxer. There are many bjj bb who fight in mma who could go pro.

It may be self-explanatory, but it's from out of left field since it's irrelevant to what we were talking about. Becoming a pro boxer isn't hard, Kimbo Slice did it. Becoming a good pro boxer is hard. I never referenced championship boxers or championship mixed martial artist. I think you're high.

batdude123
Originally posted by Mindset
Last time I checked you didn't need a 13-1-1 record to be a pro boxer. There are many bjj bb who fight in mma who could go pro.

It may be self-explanatory, but it's from out of left field since it's irrelevant to what we were talking about. Becoming a pro boxer isn't hard, Kimbo Slice did it. Becoming a good pro boxer is hard. I never referenced championship boxers or championship mixed martial artist. I think you're high.

I was talking this whole time about Chris Lytle, who was a good professional boxer. Then you interjected with saying that pretty much anybody can become a pro boxer. Obviously I wasn't talking about black belts in BJJ who, out of the blue with no training become professional boxers and get smoked every time they box. Nobody does that anyway.

Mindset
No you weren't.

batdude123
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e95/schide66/CornetteFace_4208.jpg

Mindset
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lywq03jRiv1qb8rrto1_r1_500.gif

Phoenix2001
Originally posted by Mindset
Yup.

Boxing.

Ha! Where have you been the last 19 years?

Naija boy
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
why?

striking is a part of MMA & tyson is notorious for his punching power

most MMA fighters are brawlers anyways which is suicide against Tyson...

he'd connect & KO most MMA fighters easily considering the only thing they can do is try & close the distance & grapple him.

Bias MMA fans are biased


This is as daft as it was first time i saw it. Tyson has no take down defense. Then add the fact that him attempting to close the distance against a decent wrestler or guy with decent double leg would mean he would be off balance and not even in a good position to sprawl in the first place. More likely than not he gets put on his ass and ground and pounded or submitted. Heck against a guy like tyson, whose only weapons are his hands, his opponent could afford to go for a really low shot and still have high odds of getting him down.

Having ko power does not translate into victory in a fight facepalm

And no im not a biased MMA fan, Im just as big a fan of boxing as I am MMA and got introduced to MMA through boxing. Im merely acknowledging reality as even Tyson himself would disagree with you

Phoenix2001
Originally posted by Naija boy
This is as daft as it was first time i saw it. Tyson has no take down defense. Then add the fact that him attempting to close the distance against a decent wrestler or guy with decent double leg would mean he would be off balance and not even in a good position to sprawl in the first place. More likely than not he gets put on his ass and ground and pounded or submitted. Heck against a guy like tyson, whose only weapons are his hands, his opponent could afford to go for a really low shot and still have high odds of getting him down.

Having ko power does not translate into victory in a fight facepalm

And no im not a biased MMA fan, Im just as big a fan of boxing as I am MMA and got introduced to MMA through boxing. Im merely acknowledging reality as even Tyson himself would disagree with you

If only there was a 'like' button for this post...

Mindset
Originally posted by Phoenix2001
Ha! Where have you been the last 19 years? Earth.

What about you?

I play triangle
The rules of the UFC are biased against strikers. for instance downward elbows to the back of MMA fighters attempting takedowns as seen on fight quest cause backs to spasm and MMA fighters to fall on their faces. So much for the takedown....

Phoenix2001
Originally posted by Mindset
Earth.

What about you?

Apparently, a different Earth from yours.

Mindset
Originally posted by Phoenix2001
Apparently, a different Earth from yours. Apparently.

Well, welcome back to reality.

Phoenix2001
Originally posted by I play triangle
The rules of the UFC are biased against strikers. for instance downward elbows to the back of MMA fighters attempting takedowns as seen on fight quest cause backs to spasm and MMA fighters to fall on their faces. So much for the takedown....

Right, because standing the fights up so lessens the striker's chances roll eyes (sarcastic)

Phoenix2001
Originally posted by Mindset
Apparently.

Well, welcome back to reality.

Oh, no, you have it wrong. My Earth is the right one, and I don't think you were here before, soooo... Welcome to Reality.

Mindset
Originally posted by Phoenix2001
Oh, no, you have it wrong. My Earth is the right one, and I don't think you were here before, soooo... Welcome to Reality. Would have been faster to say, "nuh uh".

Anyway.

Concession accepted. Boxing wins.

Phoenix2001
Originally posted by Mindset
Would have been faster to say, "nuh uh".

Anyway.

Concession accepted. Boxing wins.

Nope. MMA.

batdude123
While I agree with you on the boxing vs. MMA topic, this shit right here? ...

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
Oh, no, you have it wrong. My Earth is the right one, and I don't think you were here before, soooo... Welcome to Reality.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e95/schide66/CornetteFace_4208.jpg

Phoenix2001
Originally posted by batdude123
While I agree with you on the boxing vs. MMA topic, this shit right here? ...



http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e95/schide66/CornetteFace_4208.jpg

Umm... well, he tells me 'welcome back to reality' and my post that you seem bewildered by is merely a response to that... I don't understand what your issue is with it.

Mindset
Originally posted by batdude123



http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e95/schide66/CornetteFace_4208.jpg

StyleTime
Originally posted by I play triangle
The rules of the UFC are biased against strikers. for instance downward elbows to the back of MMA fighters attempting takedowns as seen on fight quest cause backs to spasm and MMA fighters to fall on their faces. So much for the takedown....
If you depend on a downward elbow to save you, you are a terrible striker to begin with. Not to mention, we've seen elbows to the back have no effect whatsoever on fighters in the past.

Quit playing Theory Fighter 2 and accept the reality about fights. The best way to neutralize a grappler, is learning how to grapple yourself. You don't have to go to the ground just because you can grapple. Rashad Evans was able to stop Jon Jones's takedowns, because Rashad knows how to wrestle. He kept the fight standing solely because of his wrestling ability.
Originally posted by Phoenix2001
Umm... well, he tells me 'welcome back to reality' and my post that you seem bewildered by is merely a response to that... I don't understand what your issue is with it.
They are screwing with you bro.

Mindset
JJ would shoot for a takedown and I'd knee his face off.

Robtard
There's a reason why certain strikes are not allowed in MMA; it's not cos "they're not effective".

StyleTime
Originally posted by Naija boy
This is as daft as it was first time i saw it. Tyson has no take down defense. Then add the fact that him attempting to close the distance against a decent wrestler or guy with decent double leg would mean he would be off balance and not even in a good position to sprawl in the first place. More likely than not he gets put on his ass and ground and pounded or submitted. Heck against a guy like tyson, whose only weapons are his hands, his opponent could afford to go for a really low shot and still have high odds of getting him down.

Having ko power does not translate into victory in a fight facepalm

thumb up
Originally posted by Mindset
JJ would shoot for a takedown and I'd knee his face off.
Well, you're Mindset though. Not a fair fight to Jones.
Originally posted by Robtard
There's a reason why certain strikes are not allowed in MMA; it's not cos "they're not effective".
That statement is correct in and of itself. If you're hinting at something else, you'll have to clarify. I don't want to assume you're saying something you're not.

Phoenix2001
Originally posted by Mindset
JJ would shoot for a takedown and I'd knee his face off.

Sounds more like what a broad skilled fighter would do than a boxer. JJ doesn't have to drop levels to attempt a takedown. Even if they do then they can close the distance before you can even react by setting it up with feints, timing, and footwork. But, if they want to act like a dumbass about it and telegraph every detail of their takedown, then you'll have all the openings you need to put them to sleep.

Mindset
I have to use my knees because I'm not as skilled as a boxer. The greatest fighters on Earth.

batdude123
laughing out loud

Bouboumaster
Originally posted by Mindset
I have to use my knees because I'm not as skilled as a boxer. The greatest fighters on Earth.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xuBjOiHkb38/Tez5busVbwI/AAAAAAAAAjw/TltwxLhJCb0/s1600/gsp_performance-1.png

Mindset
You're Canadian, your opinion is invalid.

Bouboumaster
Originally posted by Mindset
You're Canadian, your opinion is invalid.

http://www.cagedinsider.com/wp-content/images/mma/2009/11/gsp2.jpg

Robtard
One of the most, if not the most overrated current MMA fighter.

Bouboumaster
Originally posted by Robtard
One of the most, if not the most overrated current MMA fighter.

You gotta be kidding.

Before his injury, he rocked perhaps the most stacked weight class of the UFC. He dominated it.

If you want to look at an overrated legend, look no further that Anderson Silva. But GSP, man, before Jack Shield, he hadn't loose a round in his 30 last, and it can be argued that he won all five against Shield too. He's tha bomb.

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