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Now the last time Logan crossed paths with some generic Lycans he was f*cked up so bad he had to be removed from the battle field. So how does he fair against the real thing? Better than Creed?

Yea do to over confidences and the fact he was only in the issue to boost sales. also they were more powerful then normal ones and angle even stated if he had not been over confident he would have won.

According to Maximus Logan was just outclassed.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
According to Maximus Logan was just outclassed.
ecpt maxium is cocky as hell, and new nothing about wolverine.

while angle knows wolverine and does not like him..........

so I sorry to say his word holds a lot more wait to maximus.

Angel was just trying to save face for Logan because he got slaughtered so easily. It's like if somebody beat up your best friend, you'd try and make excused for him.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Angel was just trying to save face for Logan because he got slaughtered so easily. It's like if somebody beat up your best friend, you'd try and make excused for him.
There not friends. Angel hated wolverine at the time...........they never like one another. It would not be for several archs later untill they were able to stand one another.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
There not friends. Angel hated wolverine at the time...........they never like one another. It would not be for several archs later untill they were able to stand one another. Considering the circumstances Angel may also have been trying to put feat into the Lycans.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Considering the circumstances Angel may also have been trying to put feat into the Lycans.
No he wa sstating a fact.


Logan was only in the story to boost sales, the writer I believed admitt this in an interview. The reason he had angel say that was to give a valid reason for why Logan would get defeated by chumps he would normally own.

Not sure why I bother when you gave Capt the nod for being stronger based off feats presented.............even though there were none for Capt presented.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not sure why I bother when you gave Capt the nod for being stronger based off feats presented.............even though there were none for Capt presented. I'm not sure why you bother either.

There no point I me we all know you dislike wolverine and really does not matter what we show you. Your gunna believe what you wish.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
There no point I me we all know you dislike wolverine and really does not matter what we show you. Your gunna believe what you wish. Werewolf by Night has owned Sabretooth and just beat the Hulk straight up. He can beat Wolverine.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Werewolf by Night has owned Sabretooth and just beat the Hulk straight up. He can beat Wolverine.
Never said he could'nt. I assume he did already sinces this looks to be a bait thread..........and Wolverine fight with him was to come out to day I believe.


Also when did the were wolf by night own Sabertooth?

If Werewolf by Night can put Wolverine down, what does it mean when Wolverine can take a heavy beating from a blood lusted Sasquatch?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Werewolf by Night has owned Sabretooth and just beat the Hulk straight up. He can beat Wolverine.

He beat the Hulk? can I see that?

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Creed got ****ing owned son.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
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Creed got ****ing owned son. What about the Hulk fight? Do you have that?

For some one who got owned Creed was completely fine.........

Originally posted by Battlehammer
For some one who got owned Creed was completely fine......... He was scared sh!tless, if not for the hunters Creed would have been a rug in Jack's cabin son.

Snoop you have that Hulk joint?

Originally posted by Stoic
What about the Hulk fight? Do you have that?
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/WerewolfvsHulkson.jpg
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Originally posted by Stoic
Snoop you have that Hulk joint? I don't smoke anymore.

lol creed was not scared. That just making things up now.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
lol creed was not scared. That just making things up now. In the fourth scan it looks like he is gonna sh!t his pants son.

so were are the scans snoop? I mean i must be right that this is a bait thread. I mean you making this thread and the issue jsut happen to come out to day.............

Originally posted by snoopdogg
In the fourth scan it looks like he is gonna sh!t his pants son.
He tells him to stuff it............he far from scared.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
so were are the scans snoop? I mean i must be right that this is a bait thread. I mean you making this thread and the issue jsut happen to come out to day............. I have no idea what happened in the issue.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He tells him to stuff it............he far from scared. The look on his face tells a different story son.

so you making the thread had nothing to do with the issue coming out?

well your answer can eaily be solved, within a few hours when some one scans the issue

Originally posted by snoopdogg
The look on his face tells a different story son.
No it doesent. Not sure what your talking about, but his faces looks fine son.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No it doesent. Not sure what your talking about, but his faces looks fine son. Well, to me it looks like Creed has the look of "oh sh!t this motherf*cker is gonna tear my sh!t up son!". Don't flip out, for I am not the only one to view it this way.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well, to me it looks like Creed has the look of "oh sh!t this motherf*cker is gonna tear my sh!t up son!". Don't flip out, for I am not the only one to view it this way.
Oh wait did destine also view it that way..............same dude who views a feat of one character as one for another son.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Oh wait did destine also view it that way..............same dude who views a feat of one character as one for another son. I think it was stiltmanftw. Could be wrong but he seems smart.

I agree he does seem rather smart.


dam now I know why you say son so much it adicting

^wow thank you guys

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No it doesent. Not sure what your talking about, but his faces looks fine son.

With all due respect, I think you're wrong.

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/6973/gutsto8.jpg

To be fair it was pre-Graydon Sabretooth (before his first strength enhancement in Death Hunt).

dam he looks like from the preview that some were wolf ***** plays him

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
^wow thank you guys



With all due respect, I think you're wrong.

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/6973/gutsto8.jpg

To be fair it was pre-Graydon Sabretooth (before his first strength enhancement in Death Hunt).
I don't think I am. Sabertooth fears nothing.

You know how many times Creed said that to wolverine?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I don't think I am. Sabertooth fears nothing.

You know how many times Creed said that to wolverine?

I know Creed's a badass, but look at his face there. He looks scared. Hell, he doesn't even show his teeth.

I'm guessing Wolverine is gonna put up a good fight against WBN. But there will be some distraction where they stop fighting.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I know Creed's a badass, but look at his face there. He looks scared. Hell, he doesn't even show his teeth.
him not showing his teeth really does not mean anything.


I not sure I can agree, becuases that bee way way way way out of character for him.

Is Creed used to facing guys that will meet him head on like that? Other than Logan.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I'm guessing Wolverine is gonna put up a good fight against WBN. But there will be some distraction where they stop fighting.
most likly. from the preview there a shit load of were wolfs.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Is Creed used to facing guys that will meet him head on like that? Other than Logan.
yea omega red, cyber ect.

omg wtf going on. I am the one saying wolverine would get wrecked in the mortal kombat thread..........everyone elses thinks he clears it lol

Originally posted by Battlehammer
yea omega red, cyber ect. What issue did Creed fight Red? It's been awhile.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
What issue did Creed fight Red? It's been awhile.
I don't remeber of the top of my head. I try and find it for you. I think it was in X-Factor

Originally posted by Battlehammer
him not showing his teeth really does not mean anything.


I not sure I can agree, becuases that bee way way way way out of character for him.

What about his eye (and eyebrow to be precise)? He looks kinda like this: " "

It's an old issue. I guess Creed didn't have too many (emphasis on too many) occasions to push his healing factor to the limit.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I'm guessing Wolverine is gonna put up a good fight against WBN. But there will be some distraction where they stop fighting.

I didn't look at the preview, it spoils too much. Should get the issue soon.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What about his eye (and eyebrow to be precise)? He looks kinda like this: " "

It's an old issue. I guess Creed didn't have too many (emphasis on too many) occasions to push his healing factor to the limit.


He looks confused.


I doubt his heal factor was closes to the limit I mean he recieved no serous damage and was fine right after the fight. Also Logan done much more damage to him during battle.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He looks confused.


I doubt his heal factor was closes to the limit I mean he recieved no serous damage and was fine right after the fight. Also Logan done much more damage to him during battle.

That was not my point. My point was that he was about to receive some serious punishment (look at Russel's jaw). WBN could bite his head off.

Yea, Jack looked like he was gonna chomp his head off.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
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Actually, this isn't the only time Hulk and Werewolf By Night have tussled. They also fought in Incredible Hulk #362. It was the gray "Joe Fixit" Hulk and Jack was in full werewolf mode. They fight twice in the issue and the first time they fight, the werewolf is holding his own pretty well against Joe Fixit Hulk before the sun comes up and they both turn back into their human forms and they go their seperate ways. The next time they fight the Werewolf doesn't fare so well this time as the Hulk finally ties the werewolf up in a chain and slings him practically across the desert...with the werewolf licking his wounds to fight another day.

It might just be me, but it seems like Joe Fixit fared better against the werewolf than the savage Hulk did...maybe because Joe Fixit used his brains instead of just his fists like the savage hulk did to beat his lycanthopic foe...

werewolf by night should be just as fast, and he should be a lot stronger if he can choke out the hulk. He should win the fight.

Logan was indeed tunred into a Werewolf from a bite and his healing factor couldnt' heal the wound in Origins #10.

Originally posted by Comicbook_kid
Actually, this isn't the only time Hulk and Werewolf By Night have tussled. They also fought in Incredible Hulk #362. It was the gray "Joe Fixit" Hulk and Jack was in full werewolf mode. They fight twice in the issue and the first time they fight, the werewolf is holding his own pretty well against Joe Fixit Hulk before the sun comes up and they both turn back into their human forms and they go their seperate ways. The next time they fight the Werewolf doesn't fare so well this time as the Hulk finally ties the werewolf up in a chain and slings him practically across the desert...with the werewolf licking his wounds to fight another day.

It might just be me, but it seems like Joe Fixit fared better against the werewolf than the savage Hulk did...maybe because Joe Fixit used his brains instead of just his fists like the savage hulk did to beat his lycanthopic foe...

Oh my God! who wrote that Savage Hulk v WBN story? There is no way that Russell should be able to choke out Hulk like that. Savaga Hulk should've broken his grip easily.
I reckon Logan 10/10

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Oh my God! who wrote that Savage Hulk v WBN story? There is no way that Russell should be able to choke out Hulk like that. Savaga Hulk should've broken his grip easily.
I reckon Logan 10/10 and how do you come to that conclusion?

I'm not sure werewolf by nights strength limit was really ever shown, so I'm not sure why it's PIS when it hasn't been contradicted with lower strength showings, unless I'm mistaken.

For some odd reason Logan has a hard time healing Lycan wounds it appears. This might be his downfall.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
For some odd reason Logan has a hard time healing Lycan wounds it appears. This might be his downfall.

I'd imagine it is just the infection of lycanthropy that did it, you know being being magic and all. I think Marvel werewolfs can decide who they want to infect and it isn't indiscriminate like in most medias so I doubt a normal wound from a werewolf would have had the same effect as this one if they didn't try and turn him.

Didn't like how Logan had a full blow wolf face in as a werewolf while Jack was rocking it Wolfman style... but I've always preferred to 50s horror Wolfman over the "werewolf" look.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'd imagine it is just the infection of lycanthropy that did it, you know being being magic and all. I think Marvel werewolfs can decide who they want to infect and it isn't indiscriminate like in most medias so I doubt a normal wound from a werewolf would have had the same effect as this one if they didn't try and turn him.

Didn't like how Logan had a full blow wolf face in as a werewolf while Jack was rocking it Wolfman style... but I've always preferred to 50s horror Wolfman over the "werewolf" look. Maximus Lobo and his boys sliced up Logan something fierce iirc to the point the X-Men had to remove him from the battle field. But they are not normal Lycans I don't think.

I never really liked First Class but I'm liking this story so far. I'm guessing sooner or later Logan's healing factor will turn him normal again, or maybe he has to kill that chick.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Maximus Lobo and his boys sliced up Logan something fierce iirc to the point the X-Men had to remove him from the battle field. But they are not normal Lycans I don't think.

I never really liked First Class but I'm liking this story so far. I'm guessing sooner or later Logan's healing factor will turn him normal again, or maybe he has to kill that chick.

Its fun and has a classic feel to it, I think it can be fairly enjoyable once you get past the fact that it is an all ages Wolverine book... which doesn't really make any sense.

I remember the author was saying in an interview that Marvel came to him and asked him to write the book and he insisted Kitty be in it because with out her it would be "30 pages of Wolverine not using his claws to slice people up." lol

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Maximus Lobo and his boys sliced up Logan something fierce iirc to the point the X-Men had to remove him from the battle field. But they are not normal Lycans I don't think.



I think they're mutants.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Werewolf by Night has owned Sabretooth and just beat the Hulk straight up. He can beat Wolverine.

For real?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone




For real? Yea, scans were posted in the first couple pages.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
ecpt maxium is cocky as hell, and new nothing about wolverine.

while angle knows wolverine and does not like him..........

so I sorry to say his word holds a lot more wait to maximus.

Wolverine didn't last long against Maximus though.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Yea, scans were posted in the first couple pages.

Damn it seems that WBN could win the majority.

Originally posted by Comicbook_kid
Actually, this isn't the only time Hulk and Werewolf By Night have tussled. They also fought in Incredible Hulk #362. It was the gray "Joe Fixit" Hulk and Jack was in full werewolf mode. They fight twice in the issue and the first time they fight, the werewolf is holding his own pretty well against Joe Fixit Hulk before the sun comes up and they both turn back into their human forms and they go their seperate ways. The next time they fight the Werewolf doesn't fare so well this time as the Hulk finally ties the werewolf up in a chain and slings him practically across the desert...with the werewolf licking his wounds to fight another day.

It might just be me, but it seems like Joe Fixit fared better against the werewolf than the savage Hulk did...maybe because Joe Fixit used his brains instead of just his fists like the savage hulk did to beat his lycanthopic foe...

I vaguely remember that.

yes it seems a weaker healing factor wolverine could be transformed into a werewolf, but current wolverine can't

I still dont think his HF has increased.

sinces then yes it has................it increased a lot actually..........uve even seen the scan were it states it has...........ao what you think and whats true is clearly not the same here.

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I just realised something Wolverine's skull would need to mutate and transform for his face to look like that... which should be impossible. Bravo Marvel! /bow

At least there is some Magic involved.

Originally posted by Trackz
and how do you come to that conclusion?

I'm not sure werewolf by nights strength limit was really ever shown, so I'm not sure why it's PIS when it hasn't been contradicted with lower strength showings, unless I'm mistaken.

So tell me, how strong is WBN?? Is he a 100 tonner? He was fighting an enraged Savage Hulk so hr needs to be well into the 100ton range to get Hulk in a choke hold that Hulk can't break!

I heard WBN once beat a Wendigo.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
sinces then yes it has................it increased a lot actually..........uve even seen the scan were it states it has...........ao what you think and whats true is clearly not the same here.

Azreal and Wolverine said his Hf has been reduced. I dunno man I think the writer was trying to tell us something.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I heard WBN once beat a Wendigo.

I also read a story where WBN was getting his arse handed to him by some ordinary old man who was some sort of werewolf hunter, and was only armed with a silver knife. Its a bit of a leap for hime to come of worst in that encounter and then overcome someone as powerful as the Savage Hulk or the Wendigo.
As I said before Logan definitely ftw

Originally posted by BUSTER1
I also read a story where WBN was getting his arse handed to him by some ordinary old man who was some sort of werewolf hunter, and was only armed with a silver knife. Its a bit of a leap for hime to come of worst in that encounter and then overcome someone as powerful as the Savage Hulk or the Wendigo.
As I said before Logan definitely ftw

You dont decide that WBN cant take Wolverine based on that feat alone, thats absurd.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You dont decide that WBN cant take Wolverine based on that feat alone, thats absurd.

An old man with no superhuman abilities, armed only with a silver knife almost kills WBN (with the story narrator saying the the poor beast didn't stand a choice) Yeah its absurd for me to think that Logan caould take WBN after reading that story

Originally posted by BUSTER1
An old man with no superhuman abilities, armed only with a silver knife almost kills WBN (with the story narrator saying the the poor beast didn't stand a choice) Yeah its absurd for me to think that Logan caould take WBN after reading that story Wolverine was owned by a deer.

WBN>deer.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Now the last time Logan crossed paths with some generic Lycans he was f*cked up so bad he had to be removed from the battle field. So how does he fair against the real thing? Better than Creed?



They evolved like Doomsday and there was a whole pack of them.... Yes, he fairs much better against WBN than he did against a pack of beings who mixed it up and held their own with Juggernaught.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Wolverine was owned by a deer.

WBN>deer.

Oh yeah, have you ever seen WBN take on a deer?? Have you??

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I heard WBN once beat a Wendigo.

He didn't, basically once a year the Wendigo curse is lifted and they return to a human state. WBN basically just waited for that to happen as he was going to kill the human freeing him from the curse.

Originally posted by jinzin




They evolved like Doomsday and there was a whole pack of them.... Yes, he fairs much better against WBN than he did against a pack of beings who mixed it up and held their own with Juggernaught. Against a depowered Juggernaut.

Originally posted by -K-M-
He didn't, basically once a year the Wendigo curse is lifted and they return to a human state. WBN basically just waited for that to happen as he was going to kill the human freeing him from the curse. I might have heard wrong. You have scans of their encounter?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I might have heard wrong. You have scans of their encounter?

Only have the end part scanned, but it was Marvel Comics Present #113

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/mcp-113b-17.jpg
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WBN faired well though, but he didn't beat him the curse did. Also pretty sure WBN also says he is outclassed and stands no chance against the Wendigo...but it's been awhile

Originally posted by -K-M-
Only have the end part scanned, but it was Marvel Comics Present #113

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/mcp-113b-17.jpg
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WBN faired well though, but he didn't beat him the curse did. Also pretty sure WBN also says he is outclassed and stands no chance against the Wendigo...but it's been awhile Did they fight at all?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Did they fight at all?

Yep, very breifly. Basically WBN was holding on for dear life until the Wendigo transformed

Originally posted by BUSTER1
An old man with no superhuman abilities, armed only with a silver knife almost kills WBN (with the story narrator saying the the poor beast didn't stand a choice) Yeah its absurd for me to think that Logan caould take WBN after reading that story

No you dont get it. Its only one story. You dont just decide based on one story that WBNM cant take Wolverine, when there is more evidence that proves otherwise.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Against a depowered Juggernaut. still impressive all things considered.

In any case both fights happened off panel. Angel's assumption is as good as any of ours and is purely speculated.

As for the Wendi fight. Werewolf held Wendigo long enough for the sun to come up or whatever. An impressive feat as well.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No you dont get it. Its only one story. You dont just decide based on one story that WBNM cant take Wolverine, when there is more evidence that proves otherwise.

feel free to post some scans of WBN feats that would suggest he can take Logan.

I'd like to see the Wendigo/Werewolf fight. Anybody have them?

Originally posted by BUSTER1
feel free to post some scans of WBN feats that would suggest he can take Logan. Scans have been posted showing Werewolf own Creed and the Hulk.

I do. It'd just take a day or so to get them online.

Originally posted by jinzin
I do. It'd just take a day or so to get them online. PM them to me if you remember.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Scans have been posted showing Werewolf own Creed and the Hulk. The fight against Creed is practically unusable for pro WBN evidence. Creed has had 3 major upgrades in strength, speed, durability, and healing since then. And the healing was a major upgrade. All that this could be evidence of is WBN being a match for Wolvie or Sabes at their weakest which isn't a good thing.

The Hulk example's more suitable but it's not concrete; Wolverine's had the advantage over Hulk at times as well.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
PM them to me if you remember. sure.

Originally posted by jinzin


The Hulk example's more suitable but it's not concrete; Wolverine's had the advantage over Hulk at times as well. wolverine's never had the advantage over Hulk...getting a few stabs is not having an advantage

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Scans have been posted showing Werewolf own Creed and the Hulk.

And I've read a story where WBN gets owned by an ordinary old man with a knife. The old man was not faster or more ferocious than Logan. That fight between WBN and Hulk was PIS. Savage Hulk, despite being low in intelligence, would know that he needed to break WBN's choke hold, and he easily is strong enough to do it. Logan has plenty of impressive showings against many powerful foes. if a fight between the 2 took place in the early 80's I would probably have said 5/5-but Wolverine has had insane showings since the that put him a class above Mr.Russell. The same can be said of Sabretooth-if they fough now, Creed would take WBN apart

Originally posted by Starscream M
wolverine's never had the advantage over Hulk...getting a few stabs is not having an advantage

In Wolverine/Hulk 4 part, Wolverine repeatedly stabs Hulk down a mountain the bottom of the fall has Hulk on the ground unconcious and Wolverine towing him away.

Hulk 425, Wolverine springs from the trees and slashes at hulk's neck. Hulk is shocked and scared but realizes Wolverine didn't slash through his skin with bone claws.

Wolverine 145, Wolverine stabs Hulk through the neck and begins to relentlessly attack him. A third party objective narrative even describes that Hulk is close to the end.

Hulk 345 Wolverine punches a hole straight through Grey Hulk and drops him unconcious for a few moments.

Hulk vol II issue 8 Skrullverine (A far weaker, less experienced, and all around worse off version of Wolverine) stabs Hulk through the eyes, through the groin, and eventually nearly drowns Hulk, then manages to KO Hulk by evading a punch into a gas filled mountain.

Marvel Fanfare 6 Wolverine and Wendigo knock Hulk TFO.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
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This is by far and away the most retarded thing I have ever seen and read. How could a werewolf, whose at class 10 at best do that to a certified class 100+ being? WBN shouldn't have a chance against Spiderman for cryin out loud.

Only a certified class 100 ton range super werewolf such as Wendigo can pull that off.

Was the writer high? I sure like to know what he was smokin.

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
This is by far and away the most retarded thing I have ever seen and read. How could a werewolf, whose at class 10 at best do that to a certified class 100+ being? WBN shouldn't have a chance against Spiderman for cryin out loud.

Only a certified class 100 ton range super werewolf such as Wendigo can pull that off.

Was the writer high? I sure like to know what he was smokin. doggieballs?

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
This is by far and away the most retarded thing I have ever seen and read. How could a werewolf, whose at class 10 at best do that to a certified class 100+ being? WBN shouldn't have a chance against Spiderman for cryin out loud.

Only a certified class 100 ton range super werewolf such as Wendigo can pull that off.

Was the writer high? I sure like to know what he was smokin.

Too right mate, I made the same point earlier and got criticised for it.

Originally posted by jinzin
doggieballs?

Originally posted by BUSTER1
feel free to post some scans of WBN feats that would suggest he can take Logan.


I thought scans of WBN taking on Savage Hulk and Sabretooth were already posted?

Originally posted by jinzin
The fight against Creed is practically unusable for pro WBN evidence. Creed has had 3 major upgrades in strength, speed, durability, and healing since then. And the healing was a major upgrade. All that this could be evidence of is WBN being a match for Wolvie or Sabes at their weakest which isn't a good thing.

The Hulk example's more suitable but it's not concrete; Wolverine's had the advantage over Hulk at times as well.

Hasnt Sabretooth given Wolverine problems prior to his upgrade?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I thought scans of WBN taking on Savage Hulk and Sabretooth were already posted?



Hasnt Sabretooth given Wolverine problems prior to his upgrade? Absolutely, but in turn, Wolverine's recieved more training, retained more memories, and increased his rate of healing exponentially as well.

Im not sure if I wanna get into this. However even in the past he was still highly trained. It depends on how far you want to go back but im not sure if there is that much difference.

Well I am...

You are what?

Could just answer the question, I suspect you probably meant you were getting into it.

Wolverine takes this one easy...from what I saw in the Creed fight WBN doesn't look like that big of a deal - a single gunshot caused him to back off so yeah he should get smooshed by ANY hulk. lol.

Oh and for the warewolf thing when Logan was taken down - I believe that was written by Claremont - and if Angel said it was because of overconfidence he was probably right because Claremont also had Logan taken down to the ground by Storm and Bishop with Boken because of overconfidence. Now we know it was overconfidence because just prior to this, he owned X-23 without even really moving...twice. So yeah, can't take Logan at this worst - and the warewolf thing probably counts as one of his poorer showings.

Originally posted by jinzin


In Wolverine/Hulk 4 part, Wolverine repeatedly stabs Hulk down a mountain the bottom of the fall has Hulk on the ground unconcious and Wolverine towing him away.

Hulk 425, Wolverine springs from the trees and slashes at hulk's neck. Hulk is shocked and scared but realizes Wolverine didn't slash through his skin with bone claws.

Wolverine 145, Wolverine stabs Hulk through the neck and begins to relentlessly attack him. A third party objective narrative even describes that Hulk is close to the end.

Hulk 345 Wolverine punches a hole straight through Grey Hulk and drops him unconcious for a few moments.

Hulk vol II issue 8 Skrullverine (A far weaker, less experienced, and all around worse off version of Wolverine) stabs Hulk through the eyes, through the groin, and eventually nearly drowns Hulk, then manages to KO Hulk by evading a punch into a gas filled mountain.

Marvel Fanfare 6 Wolverine and Wendigo knock Hulk TFO.

wow..you have no shame in utilizing PIS to support Logan, do ya?

punching a hole in Hulk...rendering him unconscious by stabbing him...come on, gimme a break

I just drank a whole 750ml bottle of Captain Morain.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I just drank a whole 750ml bottle of Captain Morain. by yourself? why would you do that?

Originally posted by Starscream M
by yourself? why would you do that? PRetty much. I celebarated CHrastimas today.

Blade wins.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
PRetty much. I celebarated CHrastimas today. lol damn thats alot if its the type of bottle I think it is

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Blade wins.

Cosigned

Originally posted by Starscream M
wow..you have no shame in utilizing PIS to support Logan, do ya?

punching a hole in Hulk...rendering him unconscious by stabbing him...come on, gimme a break

How pathetic.....



So, rather than admitted to the horrendous error in your statement, to being flat out WRONG... you instead choose to ignore the multiple examples of ON PANEL evidence that MAKE YOU WRONG..... Then attack the strawman that I support PIS, which is of course built on the fallacy that Wolverine hurting Hulk would be PIS....


Funny given the number of books in which Wolverine's done it, or in which Wolverine's claw by third party, objective, narratives have been stated to be able to cut through anything..... One would think it PIS if Woverine DIDN'T hurt/cut Hulk....

And it was a massive hole in the middle of his chest.. Of course it put him down for a few.


Now.... more to the point that you can't quite seem to grasp... Not that I'm surprised by now..... is that you can't use an example of WBN getting an advantage over Hulk to say that he can now beat Wolverine when Wolverine's done the same, done it more, and when he does do it, it's even more logical....

A guy who got knocked out by a Spider-check into a car door puts Hulk into a choke hold he can't get out of?

Yeah, I'm inclined to think being stabbed, gored, and gutted by 3 foot long claws at a time which can cut through anything makes more sense.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
So tell me, how strong is WBN?? Is he a 100 tonner? He was fighting an enraged Savage Hulk so hr needs to be well into the 100ton range to get Hulk in a choke hold that Hulk can't break! Apparently, I havent seen WBN showing hes any weaker than that...I could understand it being PIS iif previously he had trouble lifting a car or was over powered by someone weaker than Hlk, but none of that has been presented.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
An old man with no superhuman abilities, armed only with a silver knife almost kills WBN (with the story narrator saying the the poor beast didn't stand a choice) Yeah its absurd for me to think that Logan caould take WBN after reading that story because he was using silver, its like saying superman is weak when someone uses kryptonite against him...

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
This is by far and away the most retarded thing I have ever seen and read. How could a werewolf, whose at class 10 at best do that to a certified class 100+ being? WBN shouldn't have a chance against Spiderman for cryin out loud.

Only a certified class 100 ton range super werewolf such as Wendigo can pull that off.

Was the writer high? I sure like to know what he was smokin. ...apparently werewolf by night is in 100 ton range

Originally posted by snoopdogg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/WerewolfvsHulkson.jpg
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http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/WerewolfvsHulkson3.jpg
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When I first read this I was suprised WBN pulled it off, but after taking another look I think this is pretty open ended.

When Jack wakes up the Hulk is long gone. For all we know the Hulk could have gotten up 10 seconds after the last panel. Now, I don't know if anyone here has been chocked out like that before, but when the guy lets go you regain consciousness pretty fast. I think it says something that WBN was passed out longer from trying to submit the Hulk than the Hulk was from receiving it.

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
When I first read this I was suprised WBN pulled it off, but after taking another look I think this is pretty open ended.

When Jack wakes up the Hulk is long gone. For all we know the Hulk could have gotten up 10 seconds after the last panel. Now, I don't know if anyone here has been chocked out like that before, but when the guy lets go you regain consciousness pretty fast. I think it says something that WBN was passed out longer from trying to submit the Hulk than the Hulk was from receiving it.

I think the man in the last panel is Banner. WBN beating Hulk is absolute PIS. On par with Spidernman beating Firelord unconscious

Originally posted by BUSTER1
I think the man in the last panel is Banner. WBN beating Hulk is absolute PIS. On par with Spidernman beating Firelord unconscious no, spiderman had previously shown limits, Werewolf by night hadn't, we knew he had super strength, not to what extent. people are saying it's PIS because they have an idea of how strong a werewolf should be, yet however according to these comics werewolf by night is just as strong as hulk.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
I think the man in the last panel is Banner. WBN beating Hulk is absolute PIS. On par with Spidernman beating Firelord unconscious

Yeah its Banner, the letter he is reading is from Jack.

Originally posted by Trackz
no, spiderman had previously shown limits, Werewolf by night hadn't, we knew he had super strength, not to what extent. people are saying it's PIS because they have an idea of how strong a werewolf should be, yet however according to these comics werewolf by night is just as strong as hulk.

As I had previously mentioned WBN lost a fight to an ordinary old man with a silver blade. Jack did manage to tag the old man back. If he had 100ton strength he would've taken the ol man apart. WBN isn't that tpe of strength level, and is nowhere strong enough to overpower an enraged Savage Hulk.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
As I had previously mentioned WBN lost a fight to an ordinary old man with a silver blade. Jack did manage to tag the old man back. If he had 100ton strength he would've taken the ol man apart. WBN isn't that tpe of strength level, and is nowhere strong enough to overpower an enraged Savage Hulk. as I previously mentioned, the man was a werewolf hunter, he was using silver, basically this is equivalent to yo usaying superman is weak for falling ot kryptonite

Originally posted by Trackz
as I previously mentioned, the man was a werewolf hunter, he was using silver, basically this is equivalent to yo usaying superman is weak for falling ot kryptonite

"And I've read a story where WBN gets owned by an ordinary old man with a knife. The old man was not faster or more ferocious than Logan. That fight between WBN and Hulk was PIS. Savage Hulk, despite being low in intelligence, would know that he needed to break WBN's choke hold, and he easily is strong enough to do it. Logan has plenty of impressive showings against many powerful foes. if a fight between the 2 took place in the early 80's I would probably have said 5/5-but Wolverine has had insane showings since the that put him a class above Mr.Russell. The same can be said of Sabretooth-if they fough now, Creed would take WBN apart"

This was my previous post-my point was, that Wolvie, with ihis speed would land several hits in the time the ol man could land 1. He would land a lots of hits which would render Jack unconscious before he can heal up-and as I said WBN isn't anywhere near strong enough to over power an angry savage Hulk.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
"And I've read a story where WBN gets owned by an ordinary old man with a knife. The old man was not faster or more ferocious than Logan. That fight between WBN and Hulk was PIS. Savage Hulk, despite being low in intelligence, would know that he needed to break WBN's choke hold, and he easily is strong enough to do it. Logan has plenty of impressive showings against many powerful foes. if a fight between the 2 took place in the early 80's I would probably have said 5/5-but Wolverine has had insane showings since the that put him a class above Mr.Russell. The same can be said of Sabretooth-if they fough now, Creed would take WBN apart"

This was my previous post-my point was, that Wolvie, with ihis speed would land several hits in the time the ol man could land 1. He would land a lots of hits which would render Jack unconscious before he can heal up-and as I said WBN isn't anywhere near strong enough to over power an angry savage Hulk.

silver weakens werewolves, which is why the man was able to best werewolf by night...not complicated

not at all a fight with which you could base this fight off since it's entirely different unless wolverines claws are now made of silver.

apparently werewolf by night IS strong enough to take on savage hulk, its not PIS unless he has lower showings to contradict this, again, which haven't been presented. we have were wolf by night beating sabretooth, taking on a wendigo and somehow beating hulk is PIS. doesnt make much sense.

Originally posted by Trackz
silver weakens werewolves, which is why the man was able to best werewolf by night...not complicated

not at all a fight with which you could base this fight off since it's entirely different unless wolverines claws are now made of silver.

apparently werewolf by night IS strong enough to take on savage hulk, its not PIS unless he has lower showings to contradict this, again, which haven't been presented. we have were wolf by night beating sabretooth, taking on a wendigo and somehow beating hulk is PIS. doesnt make much sense.

PIS Hulk fight apart, what is to stop Logan slashing WBN apart when he can't avoid slashes from an old man , who won't be anywhere near as fast as Logan. Jack may heal heal after a major adamatium slashing by Wolvie by he would be knocked out beforte he healed-and that is a victory for Wolverine. Feel free to point out the faults in my logic

Originally posted by BUSTER1
PIS Hulk fight apart, what is to stop Logan slashing WBN apart when he can't avoid slashes from an old man , who won't be anywhere near as fast as Logan. Jack may heal heal after a major adamatium slashing by Wolvie by he would be knocked out beforte he healed-and that is a victory for Wolverine. Feel free to point out the faults in my logic WBN has superior range, in other words he'll likely get in more hit than wolverine, so whats to stop werewolf by night from slashing wolverine up, and for the last time silver weakens werewolves like kryptonite weakens superman. werewolf by night is stronger, BFR is an easy option, as well as slashing wolverine p since he can do this as easily as wovlerine can.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
PIS Hulk fight apart, what is to stop Logan slashing WBN apart when he can't avoid slashes from an old man , who won't be anywhere near as fast as Logan. Jack may heal heal after a major adamatium slashing by Wolvie by he would be knocked out beforte he healed-and that is a victory for Wolverine. Feel free to point out the faults in my logic

Tell me something.. When did that fight with the old man happen?
Besides, it's not like Wolverine doesn't have low showings either. It's easy to focus on low showings and mark everything else as PIS. Nice going there!

Originally posted by Rhinoceros
Tell me something.. When did that fight with the old man happen?
Besides, it's not like Wolverine doesn't have low showings either. It's easy to focus on low showings and mark everything else as PIS. Nice going there! True but there's NOWHERE NEAR enough evidence to say WBN is even NEAR C100.

The guys been KOed by spiderman...twice... while coasting in neutral.
He said pretty straight forward that he didn't have a chance of matching Wendigo.
He's been manhandled by Grey Hulk.
Moonknight's rendered him unconcious I think on several occasions.
Creed even said something to the effect of "and, maybe stronger" giving the impression that WBN wasn't even much stronger, or at least noticeably even compared to a creed who at the time had a 5 or so ton lifting max.
And the most impressive feat I can think of him doing is kinda stalemating Ghost Rider in h2h but that was in full fledged Werewolf mode.
I mean, I think he's held his own with Drac in h2h too iirc but I think it's cause he's like Dracula's version of Kryptonite.

When has Werewolf by night been a credible threat to anyone?

I thought he was basically a character to write around halloween time.

Originally posted by jinzin
True but there's NOWHERE NEAR enough evidence to say WBN is even NEAR C100.

The guys been KOed by spiderman...twice... while coasting in neutral.
He said pretty straight forward that he didn't have a chance of matching Wendigo.
He's been manhandled by Grey Hulk.
Moonknight's rendered him unconcious I think on several occasions.
Creed even said something to the effect of "and, maybe stronger" giving the impression that WBN wasn't even much stronger, or at least noticeably even compared to a creed who at the time had a 5 or so ton lifting max.
And the most impressive feat I can think of him doing is kinda stalemating Ghost Rider in h2h but that was in full fledged Werewolf mode.
I mean, I think he's held his own with Drac in h2h too iirc but I think it's cause he's like Dracula's version of Kryptonite.
spiderman is pretty strong too, but strength doesnt have much to do with durability does it?

he said that, and yet fought him off for an extremely long time.

I know in their most recent fight, WbN was about to kill moonknight until he received outside help, but again how does durability define strength?

sabretooth acknowledged werewolf by nights strength advatage, I'm not sure I've seen sabretooth do that to many, for a proud man like himself to acknowledge WbN is stronger means something, doesn't it?

I havent read Werewolf by Night to know these things, but based on the scans presented he should be able to win.

SO your argument's that while he has 100 ton lifting strength he has a 5 tonner level of durability? That makes sense.


Quite frankly he's been restrained by simple chains he couldn't break, and he's been held in captivity by regular bars.... Tossing Ghost Rider around is the best strength feat he's got.

Originally posted by jinzin
SO your argument's that while he has 100 ton lifting strength he has a 5 tonner level of durability? That makes sense.


Quite frankly he's been restrained by simple chains he couldn't break, and he's been held in captivity by regular bars.... Tossing Ghost Rider around is the best strength feat he's got. no, Im asking since when did durability correlate to strength?

could this be PIS, or has this happened on more than one occasion.

How about since ever... if someone has class 100 strength it's quite presumable that they have class 100 durability to go with it. Just comes with the territory of having that kind of sinew. Fact of the matter is that outside of a couple of fights Wolverine even has better strength feats than WBN.

And no it's not PIS it's happened several times.

Originally posted by jinzin
How about since ever... if someone has class 100 strength it's quite presumable that they have class 100 durability to go with it. Just comes with the territory of having that kind of sinew. Fact of the matter is that outside of a couple of fights Wolverine even has better strength feats than WBN.

And no it's not PIS it's happened several times. usually yes, but werewolves have never been stated to have superhuman durability, same way a bullet will pierce a person just as easily as it will a bear...and Im not sure wolverine came close to choking out the hulk or keeping up wit ha wendigo has he?

Originally posted by Trackz
usually yes, but werewolves have never been stated to have superhuman durability, same way a bullet will pierce a person just as easily as it will a bear...and Im not sure wolverine came close to choking out the hulk or keeping up wit ha wendigo has he? Wolverine has beaten wendigo

Originally posted by Blight
Wolverine has beaten wendigo not sure he slugged it out with wendigo though, did he?

Wolverine wins. How did this thread ever get so far ?

Originally posted by Mr. Funktastic
Wolverine wins. How did this thread ever get so far ? ...maybe you should read it

Originally posted by Trackz
WBN has superior range, in other words he'll likely get in more hit than wolverine, so whats to stop werewolf by night from slashing wolverine up, and for the last time silver weakens werewolves like kryptonite weakens superman. werewolf by night is stronger, BFR is an easy option, as well as slashing wolverine p since he can do this as easily as wovlerine can.

I am quite aware that silver is WBN's kryptonite. I put emphasis on Logan's attack being adamantium based, to point out that WBN would heal from it-because it wouldn't weaken his powers, including his HF, like silver would do. Logan's claws would still injure him though, as Jack can be hurt by conventional attacks. In that fight with Creed he was driven off by people with normal guns.
Logan's claws>>>>>conventional bullets

Originally posted by BUSTER1
I am quite aware that silver is WBN's kryptonite. I put emphasis on Logan's attack being adamantium based, to point out that WBN would heal from it-because it wouldn't weaken his powers, including his HF, like silver would do. Logan's claws would still injure him though, as Jack can be hurt by conventional attacks. In that fight with Creed he was driven off by people with normal guns.
Logan's claws>>>>>conventional bullets wolverine can be hurt by conventional attacks as well, so I dont see your point

Originally posted by Trackz
wolverine can be hurt by conventional attacks as well, so I dont see your point

My point is Wolverine>>> Old man with a silver knife-although I acknowledge that silver weakens WBN powers, including HF. Logans claws may not be silver but if an ordinary old man with a knife can slash up WBN, with Logans speed and skill, he can cut him to ribbons

Originally posted by BUSTER1
My point is Wolverine>>> Old man with a silver knife-although I acknowledge that silver weakens WBN powers, including HF. Logans claws may not be silver but if an ordinary old man with a knife can slash up WBN, with Logans speed and skill, he can cut him to ribbons you shouldnt be using that fight at all seeing as the silver weaken werewolf by nights abilities, in this fight werewolf by night would be performing at high levels, plus werewolves have already shown to be equal to wolverine in speed, heck if werewolf by night bites him, that should be game, set, match

Originally posted by Trackz
you shouldnt be using that fight at all seeing as the silver weaken werewolf by nights abilities, in this fight werewolf by night would be performing at high levels, plus werewolves have already shown to be equal to wolverine in speed, heck if werewolf by night bites him, that should be game, set, match

I can use whatever example I like. The silver knife didn't weaken WBN until the old man sucessfully stabbed him. With Wolverine's speed he would get in several shots in the time it took the old man to connect with his first.

Its only one showing!

No. It's not Zone. WBN has repeated showings of being overpowered by normal men much less being hit by them in spades. He's not even a considerable threat until he hits full werewolf mode. After that he bounces up and down the scale but his fighting speed isn't something that's overly impressive.

Originally posted by jinzin
No. It's not Zone. WBN has repeated showings of being overpowered by normal men much less being hit by them in spades. He's not even a considerable threat until he hits full werewolf mode. After that he bounces up and down the scale but his fighting speed isn't something that's overly impressive. apparently hes been shown to keep up with wolverine in that mini. and his showings waver depending on if its full moon or not dont they?

What mini? Are you talking about first Class? Wolverine was werewolfed out, and I' not sure what getting tossed aside like a child looks like "keeping up" to you. And Yes. They waver, but he doesn't have displays of class 100 strength or speed enough to bedazzle or even impress Wolverine. None of his showings indicate otherwise and he's been subdued with chains in both Wolfman and Werewolf forms.

He was in full werewolf mode fighting a depowered Sabretooth and he still got tagged and tossed more times than the other way around. THAT should tell you something...
Also, WBN didn't slug it out with Wendigo... he jumped on his back and annoyed him long enough till the sun came up.... Wolverine's showings of direct confrontations and prevailing are more impressive.

Originally posted by jinzin
What mini? Are you talking about first Class? Wolverine was werewolfed out, and I' not sure what getting tossed aside like a child looks like "keeping up" to you. And Yes. They waver, but he doesn't have displays of class 100 strength or speed enough to bedazzle or even impress Wolverine. None of his showings indicate otherwise and he's been subdued with chains in both Wolfman and Werewolf forms.

He was in full werewolf mode fighting a depowered Sabretooth and he still got tagged and tossed more times than the other way around. THAT should tell you something...
Also, WBN didn't slug it out with Wendigo... he jumped on his back and annoyed him long enough till the sun came up.... Wolverine's showings of direct confrontations and prevailing are more impressive. Im just assuming, the werewolves seemed to be keeping up with him. YOu honestly know more about both character than I do, but all the evidence thats been presented in the thread doesnt seem to add up to wolverines win. and he doesnt need to impress wolverine, if he has strength enough to choke out the wolverine, he is strong enough to over power wolverine, and were the type of chains indicated?

...and sabretooth was owned in his fight with the werewolf as soon as he went full wolf form. he was about to end the fight (and sabretooth) and do you have scans of the fight with wendigo?