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DMC 4 dante with all of his weapons and abilities from his previous games maxed out.....

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Sephiroth from Advent children With all of his weapons and abilites


Couldnt find anything in the search function .I know all of you are tired of these same 2 people being used over and over, and frankly so am I. But i have been hearing some people say sephiroth would completely murder dante, which i think is an absolute lie. No better place to settle than in a good 'ole fight at kmc.

Dante might win. Dante has tons of weapons and has slayed powerful foes. How would Dante win?

dante would win

How?

Originally posted by Gumachi
How?
I think advent children is a movie, not a video game. I read some arguements a couple of weeks ago about ac seph. he is stronger than normal seph, but i dont think he is stronger than dmc 4 dante.
And he is overrated a lot.

I thought it was a video game.

Anyway, he probably could hit Jackpot (or Sparda Cannon?) on his ass.

Quicksilver is all Dante needs and he can win this with ease

Jackpot and Sparda cannon would lose him the battle.

Only way Dante would win is with QS, without it, he would lose

I dont know about that, Dante although not as durable and fast as Gumachi would give him credit for is still a worthwhile target against Sephiroth speedwise, powerwise and likely has higher durability, you couldnt for instance just chop Dante in half since he has shown to survive and regenerate from powerful sword attacks with ease.

We've only seen the tip of Sephiroths power, and Sephiroths speed/teleportation is above Dante, i also don't see Dante escaping Sephiroths TK, or NL. Durability isn't much of an issue because an attack would decapitate Dante making him neutralized.

Sephiroth beats Dante's ass. Sephiroth has too many abilities.

Name a single thing he used to attack Cloud other than his sword.

He didn't use any of his abilities or even tried against Cloud =\

It doesn't really matter on how many attacks that someone has, it matters on the power of the person. But if you want to really go by that, he can use telekinesis, NL, HA, meteors, etc. Sephiroth teleports behind Dante and cuts his head, arms, and legs off.

Originally posted by Wil Deidara
It doesn't really matter on how many attacks that someone has, it matters on the power of the person. But if you want to really go by that, he can use telekinesis, NL, HA, meteors, etc. Sephiroth teleports behind Dante and cuts his head, arms, and legs off. 1. His TK is a viable option I give you.

2. NL has NEVER been used in battle.

3. HA? Wtf is HA?

4. Sephiroth can't summon meteors, at least not in the way you are suggesting. Supernova is not a real move.

5. Sephiroth has never teleported in canon.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. His TK is a viable option I give you.

2. NL has NEVER been used in battle.

3. HA? Wtf is HA?

4. Sephiroth can't summon meteors, at least not in the way you are suggesting. Supernova is not a real move.

5. Sephiroth has never teleported in canon.

It doesn't matter if NL was never used in battle. Dante is a person he would use it against because none of his opponents were worthy of NL, too weak.

Heartless Angel if he gets time to use it.

In a real battle, he would be summoning meteors if he wanted to. One meteor would destroy the planet and Dante along with it.

Plus, Seph has a speed advantage,and a sword advantage. He would shoot beams out from his sword, I mean more than Vergil threw at him and cut him apart.

Originally posted by Wil Deidara
It doesn't really matter on how many attacks that someone has, it matters on the power of the person. But if you want to really go by that, he can use telekinesis, NL, HA, meteors, etc. Sephiroth teleports behind Dante and cuts his head, arms, and legs off.



Sephiroth trying to summon meteor or trying to do any of his spells would kill him, their too slow to use on most adequate beings i.e Kratos, Dante, Kain but Sephiroths only abilities worth using would be TK (sometimes) and his sword attacks.


Originally posted by Terryc250
We've only seen the tip of Sephiroths power, and Sephiroths speed/teleportation is above Dante, i also don't see Dante escaping Sephiroths TK, or NL. Durability isn't much of an issue because an attack would decapitate Dante making him neutralized.

Then we can only use a tip of his power, we cant invent things. As TGE said when has Sephiroth teleported in canon? and no, Sephiroths speed is not above Dantes, look through the Respect thread, theres many a speed feat there, unlike Sephiroth has nothing but assumptions.

IF Sephiroth even got close enough, if Dante can dodge bullets he can dodge Sephiroths attacks with the sword and thats if Dante doesnt go DT which apprently has much higher endurance however myself cannot remember a feat from it to scale this increase in edurance.

speed: equel (or dante with DT)
strength: Dante
Skill: Dante
Variety of powers: Dante
Durability: Dante

-OP moves:

Sephiroth: nothing worth using
Dante: Quicksilver

Dante has this in the bud, its an easy battle with Quicksivler and a moderately easy one without.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Sephiroth trying to summon meteor or trying to do any of his spells would kill him, their too slow to use on most adequate beings i.e Kratos, Dante, Kain but Sephiroths only abilities worth using would be TK (sometimes) and his sword attacks.




Then we can only use a tip of his power, we cant invent things. As TGE said when has Sephiroth teleported in canon? and no, Sephiroths speed is not above Dantes, look through the Respect thread, theres many a speed feat there, unlike Sephiroth has nothing but assumptions.

IF Sephiroth even got close enough, if Dante can dodge bullets he can dodge Sephiroths attacks with the sword and thats if Dante doesnt go DT which apprently has much higher endurance however myself cannot remember a feat from it to scale this increase in edurance.

speed: equel (or dante with DT)
strength: Dante
Skill: Dante
Variety of powers: Dante
Durability: Dante

-OP moves:

Sephiroth: nothing worth using
Dante: Quicksilver

Dante has this in the bud, its an easy battle with Quicksivler and a moderately easy one without.

BT, you should really stay out of this debate. You're a Sephiroth hater, so you debates are useless.

Obviously you haven't watched FFVII:AC yet because there is a speed feat there far above Dante's.

You are still dodging the fact that Sephiroth would teleport behind Dante and cut him in half, and there is nothing Dante can do about it.

Speed: Sephiroth
Power: Equal
Skill: Sephiroth easily(he's been fighting ever since he was created)
Variety of Powers: Probably Dante
Durability: Equal(leaning towards Dante)

This is DMC4 Dante. He never used quicksilver in DMC4. So quicksilver is noncanon. I know you are going to say he still has the ability, but Sephiroth still has TK, Teleportation, SN, HA, and a better sword then Dante.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. His TK is a viable option I give you.

2. NL has NEVER been used in battle.

3. HA? Wtf is HA?

4. Sephiroth can't summon meteors, at least not in the way you are suggesting. Supernova is not a real move.

5. Sephiroth has never teleported in canon.

2. We've seen what the lifestream is capable of, the first form of the Neg lifestream has killed someone in the novel

3. Heartless Angel

4. Supernova is a real attack, its just only been used in gameplay, which is basically what half of Dante's moves are anyway

5. Yes he has.


But we can use logic, he has been stated above Chaos Vincent, Omega WEapon, so his powers are atleast theirs.

Has Sephiroth teleported in canon? Yes he has.
36:40, instantly teleports into the room, and also demonstrates some speed
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Sephiroth showing some speed in his fight where he wasn't even putting any effort in, 2:05
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That same clip in slow motion frame by frame
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Dante won't be dodging anything if he's trapped in TK.

Sephiroth's speed and powers put him above Dante. Sephiroth far superior powers is the main factor here, because Dante won't really be able to do anything against Sephiroths TK or NL.

Power and Speed are the big factor here, because things like durability isn't much of a factor even though Sephiroths durability is unknown, it's not really a boxing match where it matters who can take more hits, if Dante gets sliced, he'll be neutralized.

Originally posted by k1Lla441
And he is overrated a lot.

This is a very poor argument to use. And the same can be said about Dante.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Quicksilver is all Dante needs and he can win this with ease

Jackpot and Sparda cannon would lose him the battle.

Sparda Cannon and Jackpot can kill anyone. But Jackpot is mostly used on God like enemies.

Dante can't be dismemered because Vergil did that to him. And his body part(arm)got sewed back on.

Doesn't Dante have DarkSlayer? Don't forget Dante also has TK.

Sparda Cannon and Jackpot wouldn't hit Sephiroth, Sephiroth is faster speedwise, and has instantaneous teleporting. TK would keep Dante still

No one is going to sew back Dante head.

Show me Dante's TK, i highly doubt its on the level of Sephiroths.

I think Dante is faster. He was fast enough to dodge bullets and to catch ALL RAINDROPS when he faught Vergil and fast enough to catch on fire. And fast enough to be invisible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPc_G7gOto8 When Mundus tries to shoot him in the head his Demonic Aura(Telekenesis returns)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi5h4js_0B8 It might not be as good as Seph's but he can probably prevent some attacks at the most(PROBABLY).

Dante regeneration ability is too high to get dismemered unless your fast enough to cut it 2000x times.

I really don't know much about Seph but I can state some of the things Dante has(done).

Sephiroth has held back a planet wrecking attack for months with his TK, at the same time lifted up 8 people and torchered them, casually dropped the top of a building with ease, Dante's TK is no where near that level.

Regeneration is rapid healing, if his head gets chopped off it wont heal unless its sewed back on. And i'm sure Sephiroth isn't going to sew it back on for him.

And i've seen his "cut every raindrop feat" it wasn't that he was cutting every raindrop, it just showed him swords hitting some raindrops and the impact of their clashing swords making a dome. Which isn't that impressive considering Sephiroth in his weakest form clashed swords with Genesis and made the Iron ground cave in from the impact.

Impressive yeah it's better. But which Dante's TK how do we know he can lift him?

Dante is healed as soon as he's hit--his own arm got sewed on(demonicly?)(unless it's Yamato as we have seen--Seph would do some damage). Probably would kill Dante.

If he can stop a planet wrecking power, i'm pretty sure he can stop Dante.

Dante still gets pierced by regular weapons, its not like his body is invulnerable, he just rapidly heals. If his head is clean cut off, he won't be healing from that unless someone sticks it back on, its not like his head will magically float back to his body.

Lol very true.

So your saying his body is hurt by regular weapons?

Regular weapons can still cut into his body

So he's not hurt but still can be cut. True(even though he's healed as soon as he's hit/wounds are gone soon as he takes them out).

Originally posted by Gumachi
So he's not hurt but still can be cut. True(even though he's healed as soon as he's hit/wounds are gone soon as he takes them out).

Masamune is far beyond a regular weapon. It cuts through giagantic thick pieces of steel without having to try, and cuts through the steel like it's cheese. Beams are shot out from the sword and he could send tons out at Dante, and Dante can only stop so many.

Originally posted by Wil Deidara
BT, you should really stay out of this debate. You're a Sephiroth hater, so you debates are useless.

Obviously you haven't watched FFVII:AC yet because there is a speed feat there far above Dante's.

You are still dodging the fact that Sephiroth would teleport behind Dante and cut him in half, and there is nothing Dante can do about it.

Speed: Sephiroth
Power: Equal
Skill: Sephiroth easily(he's been fighting ever since he was created)
Variety of Powers: Probably Dante
Durability: Equal(leaning towards Dante)

This is DMC4 Dante. He never used quicksilver in DMC4. So quicksilver is noncanon. I know you are going to say he still has the ability, but Sephiroth still has TK, Teleportation, SN, HA, and a better sword then Dante.
Just because he tells the truth on who would win a fight and who wouldnt doesnt mean hes biased. If anyones biased here, its you, i mean c'mon you back him up in like every arguement.

You make it sound way to easy. seph cant just "teleport behind him and cut his head off". do you forget that dante can actually move? seph may have a slight speed advantage (notice the key word "slight", but that doesnt mean he can just cut his head off that easy.

Speed: Seph (by a little)
Power: Dante (by a little)
Skill: since this is dmc 4, i would have to say dante. any other version then it would have gone to seph.
Abilities: Dante
Durability: Dante. Getting impaled by a sword after a fight and acting as if nothing happened is very durable.

He does have qs. reread the match again.

Dante is not beating Sephiroth easily, if at all dude.

Oh and BT, Dante is not physically stronger than Sephiroth, that is baseless, isn't Dante's best strength feat lifting a motorcycle lol?

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Dante is not beating Sephiroth easily, if at all dude.

Oh and BT, Dante is not physically stronger than Sephiroth, that is baseless, isn't Dante's best strength feat lifting a motorcycle lol?
When did i say it was gonna be easy?

You were agreeing with BT and said he was right.

Who said it would be easy.

Simple maths my friend.

I said that he was telling the truth on who would win the fight, i didnt say he would do it easily nor did i agree with him on how much dante would win the fight by.

Simple reading my friend.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Dante is not beating Sephiroth easily, if at all dude.

Oh and BT, Dante is not physically stronger than Sephiroth, that is baseless, isn't Dante's best strength feat lifting a motorcycle lol?

He stopped The Savior's punch and knocked down a stone monument easily(just by punching it). Not saying he's stronger.

I know this is off-topic but your telling me Dante can defeat Seph but he can defeat Kratos(Dante can't defeat Kratos)?

Originally posted by Terryc250
Sephiroth has held back a planet wrecking attack for months with his TK, at the same time lifted up 8 people and torchered them, casually dropped the top of a building with ease, Dante's TK is no where near that level.

Regeneration is rapid healing, if his head gets chopped off it wont heal unless its sewed back on. And i'm sure Sephiroth isn't going to sew it back on for him.

And i've seen his "cut every raindrop feat" it wasn't that he was cutting every raindrop, it just showed him swords hitting some raindrops and the impact of their clashing swords making a dome. Which isn't that impressive considering Sephiroth in his weakest form clashed swords with Genesis and made the Iron ground cave in from the impact.

Dante was weak. And he got stabbed by Vergil twice and was ready for another fight(and punched thru Rebellion--I think it was Rebellion).

Originally posted by k1Lla441
You make it sound way to easy. seph cant just "teleport behind him and cut his head off". do you forget that dante can actually move? seph may have a slight speed advantage (notice the key word "slight", but that doesnt mean he can just cut his head off that easy.


I agree. But Jester was able to step on Dante's face easily.

Originally posted by k1Lla441
Just because he tells the truth on who would win a fight and who wouldnt doesnt mean hes biased. If anyones biased here, its you, i mean c'mon you back him up in like every arguement.

You make it sound way to easy. seph cant just "teleport behind him and cut his head off". do you forget that dante can actually move? seph may have a slight speed advantage (notice the key word "slight", but that doesnt mean he can just cut his head off that easy.

Speed: Seph (by a little)
Power: Dante (by a little)
Skill: since this is dmc 4, i would have to say dante. any other version then it would have gone to seph.
Abilities: Dante
Durability: Dante. Getting impaled by a sword after a fight and acting as if nothing happened is very durable.

He does have qs. reread the match again.
No, BT is obviously known as the biggest anti FF person on this board, he is obviously biased to the extreme, you can have Sephiroth vs Pikachu and he'll claim Pikachu will win, no joke.

Thing is, Dante really wouldn't beable to escape Sephiroth TK, not even a world wrecking power was able to escape it, he held up 8 people at the same time holding back a power capable of destroying everything on the planet, while torturing the people. Sephiroth also has instant teleportation, and speeds far above Dante, not just slightly, but much faster then Dante has ever shown. And Sephiroth full power is still unknown.

Also, for Dante to use QS he needs to fill up his devil trigger, and he can onlyuse it for short periods of time before his Devil Trigger runs out, if Sephiroth teleports far into the air, it would be out of Dante's reach. And he could use his Negative Lifestream (which has instantly covered the skies of a huge portion of the planet) and Dante wouldn't beable to escape it even with QS.

Originally posted by Gumachi
He stopped The Savior's punch and knocked down a stone monument easily(just by punching it). Not saying he's stronger.

I know this is off-topic but your telling me Dante can defeat Seph but he can defeat Kratos(Dante can't defeat Kratos)? That happened in 4 right? Never played 4, so don't know.

I'm telling you Kratos can beat both of them, but that is off-topic.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Dante is not beating Sephiroth easily, if at all dude.

Oh and BT, Dante is not physically stronger than Sephiroth, that is baseless, isn't Dante's best strength feat lifting a motorcycle lol?

He lifted motarcycle but in DMC 3 he punches a stone statue which shatters it through revurbation alone, whats Sephiorth ever done? ive never seen him do a single strength feat

Originally posted by Terryc250
No, BT is obviously known as the biggest anti FF person on this board, he is obviously biased to the extreme, you can have Sephiroth vs Pikachu and he'll claim Pikachu will win, no joke.

lie, Terry you seem to like to lie a lot it seems, ime not biased to the extreme either, then again, i guess by Sephiroth fanboy logic I am....

Originally posted by Burning thought
whats Sephiorth ever done? ive never seen him do a single strength feat

He destroyed Elfe's magic barrier and formed a crater in the ground, in a single strike.
And FYI not even bullets could break her barrier.

Ah, and he did it in his weakest form(Pre-Nibelheim).

Originally posted by SHM
He destroyed Elfe's magic barrier and formed a crater in the ground, in a single strike.
And FYI not even bullets could break her barrier.

Ah, and he did it in his weakest form(Pre-Nibelheim). Can I see the vid of this, because I have never heard any such thing.

Was it in CC?

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
That happened in 4 right? Never played 4, so don't know.

I'm telling you Kratos can beat both of them, but that is off-topic.

Motorcycle strength happened in DMC3. But the other 2 happened in DMC4.

Anyway the part about him being dismemered I mean't as soon as the body again. Err something like that.

Originally posted by SHM
He destroyed Elfe's magic barrier and formed a crater in the ground, in a single strike.
And FYI not even bullets could break her barrier.

Ah, and he did it in his weakest form(Pre-Nibelheim).
Ahh, you forget that dantes bullets are magic bullets!

Originally posted by k1Lla441
Speed: Seph (by a little)
Power: Dante (by a little)
Skill: since this is dmc 4, i would have to say dante. any other version then it would have gone to seph.
Abilities: Dante
Durability: Dante. Getting impaled by a sword after a fight and acting as if nothing happened is very durable.

I will have to agree on a few, and disagree on a few:

Speed: Seph
Power: Even
Skill: Seph (he has been fighting ever since he was created)
Abilities: Even or barely leading to Seph
Durability: Dante
Weapons: Dante

If you add it all up, Durability and Weapons won't hold Dante off for long because of Sephiroth's speed, experience, and abilities.

I highly doubt Dante is stronger then Sephiroth strength wise, we've never seen even close to the limits of Sephiroths physical strength.

Hell, I would even say Dante is comparable to one of Sephiroths weak remnants, Loz, who are just a fraction of Sephiroths power.

Can anyone show me the size of the motocycle Dante lifts up?
Was it bigger then the AC motorcycles?
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Was the statue bigger then the tree Loz knocks down?
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The motercycle was a normal sized motorcycle. Nothing special, same with the statue.

The motorbike Loz tossed at Cloud is atleast twice as heavy as any regular motorbike

Probably. DMC's is just a regular motercycle. Also, Loz was able to pick that up because of the weapon on his arm.

The weapon on his arm only increases his striking power, and only when he uses it.

No.. The DualHound doesn't help him pick up heavy things..
Its a weapon that gives people an electricity shock

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
The weapon on his arm only increases his striking power, and only when he uses it.

True, but he can still do stuff with that arm that he couldnt do without it.

Originally posted by Wil Deidara
True, but he can still do stuff with that arm that he couldnt do without it.
It's a weapon that electrocutes people, just as yazoo's velvet nightmare is a weapon that shoots people, and as kadaj's dual blades cuts people. They're simply just weapons.

It seems like it gives Loz more strength, and electricity.

How so? None of their weapons have built in steroids, they're simply just weapons. Unless you have some evidence or something that suggests such a thing.

Well, he could shove those spikes in something and then lift it up.

Which he never did.

First, I want to apologise for a mistake. Sephiroth didn't destroy the barrier.
But his attack formed a crater in the ground.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Can I see the vid of this, because I have never heard any such thing.

Was it in CC?

It was in Before Crisis, a cell-phone game only released in Japan.

That's the only video I could find of the scene:

Watch at 00:40, the second screen

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Originally posted by Wil Deidara
Power: Even

Are you serious? Can you show me Dante doing something comparable with the power-level of: Creating the Northern Crater's barrier, or holding back Holy while doing many other things, or owning the entire party with only TK?
And if that doesn't seems very impressive to you, let me tell you that Holy had the power to kill all life on the planet, and was traveling across continents in seconds. And that the Northern Crater's barrier could take city-busters attacks with no problem.

I can see he caused a crater, but can't really see how.

He struck the barrier with his sword, and the ground around them cratered from the impact

Originally posted by Terryc250
I highly doubt Dante is stronger then Sephiroth strength wise, we've never seen even close to the limits of Sephiroths physical strength.

Hell, I would even say Dante is comparable to one of Sephiroths weak remnants, Loz, who are just a fraction of Sephiroths power.

Can anyone show me the size of the motocycle Dante lifts up?
Was it bigger then the AC motorcycles?
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Was the statue bigger then the tree Loz knocks down?
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Strength of Yamato(he destroyed the stone without touching it)
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Dante knocks down stone monument with his fist(@:49)
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The tree was just tall

Dante stops Savior's Punch(@:13) (Notices he doesn't struggle)
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The Saviour feat is far more impressive than Sephiorth or his remnants, its enormous yet Dante does indeed stop it

Keep in mind that Saviour was weakened and basically just like dropped his fist down before passing out for a bit. The ground barely even cratored from it

The Saviour is still far far larger and far far heavier than that tree Loz pushed over. A momentum impact from the Saviours far heavier material, in a far larger form is still massive reaches beyond Sephiroths or Loz' strength.

But we've never seen Sephiroth have to exert his strength to do anything thus far, so the limits of his strength is completely unknown.

exactley why he would lose a strength contest in KMC forums, since feats is what gives them their strength level, if he has zilch, then he has zero strength credability.

But then a statement claiming "this is far beyond Sephiroth strength" is completely flawed because you don't know his limits.

By the credability of the forum, i.e no feat=no ability then Sephiroth is far outclassed by Dante, whether we know Sephiroths strength or not is no word about it, if he has no feats, then any debate for his strength defeating Dante is not credible and Dante due to feats being present, beats him in a strength match every time.

otherwise "Kain can beat Kratos in strength coz we dont know kains limits!!"

Besides the fact that Kain had like 5 games to show he has some strength but showed zero, while Sephiroth effortlessly even in his weakest form clashed swords and caved in concrete ground just from the impact, even his weak remnants showed strength feats above Kain, and Sephiroth was even stated the most powerful character in the FF7 where characters have lots of strength, it's safe to assume Sephiroth is no weak character strength wise.

not really 5 games is it, only 3 of those games you play as Kain and only one of those games you play as the latest and strongest Kain, the rest are the weaker kain who is not much greater than the typical dracula esque vamp.

Its stated he is the most powerful than does not mean anything to do with him being strong than Omega weapon or otherwise in lifting power. And Sephiroth remnants have shown greater strength feats than sephiroth so w/e....

Originally posted by Terryc250
Besides the fact that Kain had like 5 games to show he has some strength but showed zero, while Sephiroth effortlessly even in his weakest form clashed swords and caved in concrete ground just from the impact, even his weak remnants showed strength feats above Kain, and Sephiroth was even stated the most powerful character in the FF7 where characters have lots of strength, it's safe to assume Sephiroth is no weak character strength wise.
Hes probably not (weak strength wise), but the point is you cant assume anything. If you cant prove it, dont say it. He maybe a lot stronger than when we do see him, but we have to take his best stength feat so far, and put that as his strenght.

Originally posted by Terryc250
But then a statement claiming "this is far beyond Sephiroth strength" is completely flawed because you don't know his limits. And at the same time you are committing a No-Limits Fallacy.

Sephiroth does not have the impressive strength feats that Dante has(that I am only recently aware of), so he must be assumed to be weaker than Dante is.

I never said there is no limits to Sephiroth strength, I said his strength is completely unknown so a statement claiming that so and so, is beyond anything Sephiroth is capable of is fallacy. Dante's greatest feats are swinging a motorcycle and blocking Saviours hand which he didn't put any force behind, he just dropped it down before passing out.

both feats more impressive than Sephiorths zero feats, but as TGE and K1 said.....the higher feat wins through.

I'm not arguing about feats, i'm arguing about your statement of "its far beyond sephiroths strength" when we don't have a clue on his stregnth to make such a statement. If you said ""its far beyond what Sephiroth has ever shown" then yes, because AC Sephiroth was only on screen for 10 minutes and hasn't really shown much.

For feats and this thread and forum what I said was exactley 100% true, it is far beyond his strength because assuming and whether its shown or not is irrelvent. For the basis of the debate, you were wrong, Sephiroth is far weaker than Dante and loses any strength debate instantly in this forum.

Originally posted by Terryc250
I never said there is no limits to Sephiroth strength, I said his strength is completely unknown so a statement claiming that so and so, is beyond anything Sephiroth is capable of is fallacy. Dante's greatest feats are swinging a motorcycle and blocking Saviours hand which he didn't put any force behind, he just dropped it down before passing out. Savior weighs multiple tons, probably in the 100 ton range, and what you are saying is he became dead weight and fell on Dante, that is still more weight than Sephiroth has shown to lift, much more.

Originally posted by Terryc250
I'm not arguing about feats, i'm arguing about your statement of "its far beyond sephiroths strength" when we don't have a clue on his stregnth to make such a statement. If you said ""its far beyond what Sephiroth has ever shown" then yes, because AC Sephiroth was only on screen for 10 minutes and hasn't really shown much.

As of his strength now, which is all we can use, yes it is.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Savior weighs multiple tons, probably in the 100 ton range, and what you are saying is he became dead weight and fell on Dante, that is still more weight than Sephiroth has shown to lift, much more.

Yes has "shown" to lift, but thats different then saying stating that Sephiroth is incapable of doing. Weighing 100 tons doesn't mean your hand would way even 1 ton, if you weigh 150 lbs and you put your hand on a scale, it wouldnt' even weigh 1 lb. If you drop your fist on your little brother, it's not much of a feat if he stopped it. It's a feat if your little brother stops a punch that you actually put your force behind.

You can see by how there was hardly even a crator from his fist landing on Dante, Sephiroth makes bigger crators just from the air impact from his sword clashing.

That was dead weight, and all his momentum was being forced onto Dante.

Dante's feat is greater.

As for t3h crater, well it is probably because Dante absorbed some of the impact.

In comics, when Superman(Earth 2) caught Doomsday's fist who was pushing down on him, no crater was caused, is Sephiroth stronger than Doomsday?

He basically just dropped his fist onto Dante before passing out..

Sephiroth just clashing swords in his weakest form were cratering iron, Sephiroth in his weakest form striking a barrier that cratered concrete ground, just from the shockwave alone. Cratering those grounds requires atleast tons of weight, and Sephroth was doing it just from his sword shockwave, and in his weakest form.

Originally posted by Terryc250
He basically just dropped his fist onto Dante before passing out..

Sephiroth just clashing swords in his weakest form were cratering iron, Sephiroth in his weakest form striking a barrier that cratered concrete ground, just from the shockwave alone. Cratering those grounds requires atleast tons of weight, and Sephroth was doing it just from his sword shockwave, and in his weakest form.

Well, if it's dead weight, the weak force of hit has nothing to do with that as it was actually FALLING on Dante. Think about multiple tons weighting brick falling on your head... and that "brick" was stopped and pushed away.

How do we know his fist weighs "multiple" tons? If Saviour weighed 100 tons like ThunderGod said, then his fist would weigh much less then 1ton, about 500 lbs falling on Dante.

The whole of Saviours body was falling down, the fact only his hand hit dante does not take awy form the fact the weight of its body was still behind the arm of it....

His "hand."

That hand was connected to an arm, which is connected to a shoulder, which is connected to its torso.

And I never said 100 tons, I said it was within the 100 ton range, class 100, more than 100 tons. Although I can see now that I could have conveyed that better.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
His "hand."

That hand was connected to an arm, which is connected to a shoulder, which is connected to its torso.

And I never said 100 tons, I said it was within the 100 ton range, class 100, more than 100 tons. Although I can see now that I could have conveyed that better.

Doesn't mean he was blocking his entire arm, if he dropped his elbow down on Dante, you could say it closer to blocking the entire weight of his arm, but just his fist is not. Just like if you were to lift the front bumper of a car does not mean you lifted a cars weight, unless you lifted the entire thing from the middle carrying all sides.

Only his entire arm was above Dante, as was his shoulder, and his torso.

Being above doesn't matter unless it was directly above, it was still coming at an angle which means it does not equal the weight of his entire arm. He blocked the END of his arm which is his fist

lol, I like how you carry on trying to nit pick as long as you can to hold up an already dead argument, its obvious that the Saviour is falling down and the weight of the that fist is backed up by the arm and torso falling as well, the fist is not falling by itself, as the others have said, its "dead weight", meaning the whole of the body is behind that hand, regardless of the angle, it was pushing down on Dante.

Why is this even being debated? its a ridiculous thing to be debating when its already been established Sephiroth loses every strength comparison by default.....

Originally posted by Burning thought
lol, I like how you carry on trying to nit pick as long as you can to hold up an already dead argument,

Of course you like it. This is what you always does with Kain.

lie

Originally posted by Burning thought
lol, I like how you carry on trying to nit pick as long as you can to hold up an already dead argument, its obvious that the Saviour is falling down and the weight of the that fist is backed up by the arm and torso falling as well, the fist is not falling by itself, as the others have said, its "dead weight", meaning the whole of the body is behind that hand, regardless of the angle, it was pushing down on Dante.

Why is this even being debated? its a ridiculous thing to be debating when its already been established Sephiroth loses every strength comparison by default.....
No, the angle is important.

What would cause more destruction? If they both "dead weight" fell on the statue?

http://i39.tinypic.com/2drz534.jpg

or

http://i42.tinypic.com/fd6edi.jpg


The second one would because its taking the full weight of the entire truck whereas the first one doesn't take the fullweight of the entire truck.

Its not really knit picking when its true. Knit picking is the things you do to try to up-play Kain, or try to downplay Sephiroths feats.

Thats a truck falling from the sky?

The saviour was falling TOWARDS Dante, the angle of him is not important if hes falling towards Dante, in the instance of a truck however, only the head of the truck would actually hit the statue, the weight behind the head would be irrelvent because the back of the truck would just break off anyway likely before it hits the statue.

give me an example of your lie in the second piece?

Originally posted by Burning thought
lol, I like how you carry on trying to nit pick as long as you can to hold up an already dead argument, its obvious that the Saviour is falling down and the weight of the that fist is backed up by the arm and torso falling as well, the fist is not falling by itself, as the others have said, its "dead weight", meaning the whole of the body is behind that hand, regardless of the angle, it was pushing down on Dante.

Why is this even being debated? its a ridiculous thing to be debating when its already been established Sephiroth loses every strength comparison by default.....
lol exactly what i was thinking

Thats what I think in half the debates I have with him, ime trying to make a relevent point and he goes off on a tangent talking about sometihng highly irrelevent anyway.

You gotta give him a break, really. Somebody has to try and salvage this sorry situation:

Sephiroth loses to Kil'jaeden
Sephiroth loses to Archimonde
Sephiroth loses to Kain(Caine?)
Sephiroth loses to Dante
Sephiroth loses to Sargeras
Sephiroth loses to a goddamn hedgehog.

Really now, this Sephiroth person was shown to slice massive amounts of falling concrete like paper. I think that alone indicated great strength.

What next? Sephiroth loses to church boy chorus?

Or a sharp sword made up of the destructive lifestream energy?

altho Church boys are powerful....dont underestimate the power of song

the game engine for DMC 4 didn't allow a cinematic crater to be shown. maybe.

but seriously things aren't looking so go for Sephiroth.
from what i just heard he just lost to shadow the goddamn hedgehog.

i think of this because most of his fanbase only have assumptions and the shitastic "ability to destroy a entire solar system."(the supernova attack which is a serious plot hole because he can do that then why didn't he just blew up the planet to begin with self rather using a one week meteor BS instead)

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
You gotta give him a break, really. Somebody has to try and salvage this sorry situation:

Sephiroth loses to Kil'jaeden
Sephiroth loses to Archimonde
Sephiroth loses to Kain(Caine?)
Sephiroth loses to Dante
Sephiroth loses to Sargeras
Sephiroth loses to a goddamn hedgehog.

Really now, this Sephiroth person was shown to slice massive amounts of falling concrete like paper. I think that alone indicated great strength.

What next? Sephiroth loses to church boy chorus?
its not our fault he sucks. and you forgot kratos.

But it is your fault that he is pretty underrated here. At least, in the other VS forums I visit, people actually give credit to what he did.

Originally posted by k1Lla441
its not our fault he sucks. and you forgot kratos.

Nevermind

Any non-biased person knows that Avalanche(the party) fighting together, using the most powerful Materias in the world, and using their most powerful Limit Breaks, would defeat Dante in a fight.

And anyone who played and finished FFVII, remembers the scene at the end of the game, when Sephiroth was raping all of them with only a portion of his mind, while the other portion was being used to hold back a spell with a destruction-power much greater than Dante's.



But Sephiroth still loses, just because we hate him.

They would in gameplay.....otherwise....

could be PIS/CIS

no, because he is an inferior fighter in reality and his fans overrate him

Amazing how limited being a fanboy makes someone.
Sephiroth was raping the party? Is that why they defeated him twice at the end of FFVII?


Oh, do you mean when he made them all wave around in the air? I guess that counts as raping...if we forget the fact they overcame that and beat his ass two times.

Since noone seems to like Seph who is the only person that does? =\

Oh Seph has his cadre of fanboys in SHM, fascist and Terry.

That's why KMC Seph is a laughing stock on the net.

Then again fascist is little more than a troll
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=490886&highlight=Pyron+userid%3A111248

I see lol.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats a truck falling from the sky?

The saviour was falling TOWARDS Dante, the angle of him is not important if hes falling towards Dante, in the instance of a truck however, only the head of the truck would actually hit the statue, the weight behind the head would be irrelvent because the back of the truck would just break off anyway likely before it hits the statue.

give me an example of your lie in the second piece?

It still doesnt mean the entire arm weight is falling ontop of Dante, its just deadweight tossed in Dante's direction. If it was his elbow, or the center of the weight balance, then you could say Dante stopped the entire weight of his arm.

Just off the top of my head, you tried to claim that everyone in FF7 was moving super slow and that the average human speed seemed like light to FF7 characters, and that the WEAPONs were fragile and that even butter could withstand more then them, so that Sephiroth being more powerful then them was no feat at all...


It's really because Sephiroth has many fans, alot of 1337 gamers try to go against the mainstream, and purposely downplay him, trying to make Sephiroth weaker then he really is, the guy was stated the most powerful character in FF7 and there are some powerful characters in FF7.

He has quite a few feats and displayed some powerful abilities, and still has never shown his full power, yet the haters just go and pick on his pure PIS loss to Cloud in which he never even used his abilities or even exerted himself



I'm a fanboy how? Because i exposed evidence/facts about Sephiroths powers, but you haters try to brush off and deny by going "ooo he's a fanboy!!"

Yeah ok.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Oh Seph has his cadre of fanboys in SHM, fascist and Terry.

That's why KMC Seph is a laughing stock on the net.

Then again fascist is little more than a troll
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=490886&highlight=Pyron+userid%3A111248
PK, watch it. Don't bash.

Does Seph have any showin's that lead one to believe he is durable enough to survive gettin' shot in the head? Er time I seen the guy die/lose he got cut/stabbed the phuck up wit swords. I mean you can turn down the effort to "try" but I don't think Seph was losin'/dyin' on purpose.

He may dodge the 1st few shots and don't get me wrong, Seph is fast as phuck but I aint seen the dude move so fast that he can shoot bullets at bullets and or cut bullets in half along wit all the other shit Dante was doin'. Dante will get Seph eventually.

Originally posted by Terryc250

It's really because Sephiroth has many fans, alot of 1337 gamers try to go against the mainstream, and purposely downplay him, trying to make Sephiroth weaker then he really is, the guy was stated the most powerful character in FF7 and there are some powerful characters in FF7.

He has quite a few feats and displayed some powerful abilities, and still has never shown his full power, yet the haters just go and pick on his pure PIS loss to Cloud in which he never even used his abilities or even exerted himself

Hmm, downplaying a character just because you don't like him is kinda stupid and unsporting, and hating a character just because he's popular is also kinda silly.

Now... I gotta say some people are just trying to dig too deep here. Sephiroth has displayed feats of strength, and I've only seen that video. He sliced huge chunks of concrete and sent Cloud flying and crashing through a building. We also saw that Cloud could cut building chunks like paper, yet even he got sent flying when he parried Sephiroth's attack.

What killed him was his serious lack of durability/resistance. Even though he may not have exerted himself at all, durability and resistance are usually passive abilities.

Anyway, I say Dr. Long-Hair takes this. If we're also to believe that he didn't even try during the fight with Cloud...

(P.S. Can Dante fly?)

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Hmm, downplaying a character just because you don't like him is kinda stupid and unsporting, and hating a character just because he's popular is also kinda silly.

Now... I gotta say some people are just trying to dig too deep here. Sephiroth has displayed feats of strength, and I've only seen that video. He sliced huge chunks of concrete and sent Cloud flying and crashing through a building. We also saw that Cloud could cut building chunks like paper, yet even he got sent flying when he parried Sephiroth's attack.

What killed him was his serious lack of durability/resistance. Even though he may not have exerted himself at all, durability and resistance are usually passive abilities.

Anyway, I say Dr. Long-Hair takes this. If we're also to believe that he didn't even try during the fight with Cloud...

(P.S. Can Dante fly?)

Dante can fly in DT. But he can also fly w/o being in DT because he did it in DMC3.

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Hehe, then the only real advantage Dante has over Dr. Long-Hair(that I can see) is that Dante is packing some serious heat.

"Dr. Long-Hair" hehe

i feel sorry for Mr. Silver haired pansy man(Sephiroth) right now because he is in forum that is not known for taking BS assumptions as proof.

but basically that how the cookie explodes.

Originally posted by Phanteros
i feel sorry for Mr. Silver haired pansy man(Sephiroth) right now because he is in forum that is not known for taking BS assumptions as proof.

but basically that how the cookie explodes.

Good arguement

http://godmode.keenspot.com/d/20071024.html

Originally posted by Man of...
Does Seph have any showin's that lead one to believe he is durable enough to survive gettin' shot in the head? Er time I seen the guy die/lose he got cut/stabbed the phuck up wit swords. I mean you can turn down the effort to "try" but I don't think Seph was losin'/dyin' on purpose.

He may dodge the 1st few shots and don't get me wrong, Seph is fast as phuck but I aint seen the dude move so fast that he can shoot bullets at bullets and or cut bullets in half along wit all the other shit Dante was doin'. Dante will get Seph eventually.

1) Sephiroth doesn't need to be durable, because he have regeneration.
In the fight with Bizarro Sephiroth, many parts of his body, after being destroyed, regenerated.

2) Omnislash Version 5 isn't "being cut/stabbed with swords". It's an attack happening at insane speed(the creators said it happened in an instant), empowered by spirit energy, and a spiritual one(it was phasing through Sephiroth's body, directly attacking his spirit).

3) Zack Fair was easily dodging machine-gun fire, from multiple enemies. The same Zack Fair who was speedblitzed and owned by Sephiroth, in his weakest form.


Not that those things really matter, because I'm sure some people here *coughPyronKnightBurningThoughtPhantheroscough* will just ignore them again.




Aren't you the guy who admited disliking Sephiroth and his fanbase, after creating a spite thread against him? Oh yes, you are:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f85/t500062.html

And you knows what that means? It means your opinion is not important, because it's biased

Originally posted by General Kaliero
PK, watch it. Don't bash.

Asking PK to don't bash other people like a troll, is the same as asking him to not be... Himself.
And that's impossible.

ok so my anger got the better side of me. also if you go to comicvine.com you see what i mean about. people DO MAKE MISTAKES AND SAY THINGS THAT THEY DON'T ACTUALLY MEAN TO SAY. But i'm sorry for pissing people off if i did. i admit i was behaving like troll there.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Hehe, then the only real advantage Dante has over Dr. Long-Hair(that I can see) is that Dante is packing some serious heat.
Bullets are really nothing to the more powerful characters in FF7, they dodge, deflect bullets like nothing at all.

Originally posted by SHM
1) Sephiroth doesn't need to be durable, because he have regeneration.
In the fight with Bizarro Sephiroth, many parts of his body, after being destroyed, regenerated.

2) Omnislash Version 5 isn't "being cut/stabbed with swords". It's an attack happening at insane speed(the creators said it happened in an instant), empowered by spirit energy, and a spiritual one(it was phasing through Sephiroth's body, directly attacking his spirit).

3) Zack Fair was easily dodging machine-gun fire, from multiple enemies. The same Zack Fair who was speedblitzed and owned by Sephiroth, in his weakest form.


Not that those things really matter, because I'm sure some people here *coughPyronKnightBurningThoughtPhantheroscough* will just ignore them again.




Aren't you the guy who admited disliking Sephiroth and his fanbase, after creating a spite thread against him? Oh yes, you are:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f85/t500062.html

And you knows what that means? It means your opinion is not important, because it's biased

You seem to have a problem arguing everyone here because they are biased or have some other problem (which a lot of the time your right). So Would you mind to argue me instead? We havent argued before have we? Just to let you know, im not biased, i promise

1. Yeah, he kinda has to be durable, because what if he gets some kind of damage that cant be regenerated? Regeneration is usually from a cut or some kind of body part missing, so a bruise or if you decapitate him then he cant regenerate. And, o yeah, dante has regeneration too, and a lot of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbPrx62QDiA At around 3:15 dante gets pummeled by a load of punches from nero, thrown into a statue, and then impaled by his own sword. He takes it out of him, and then walks (jumps) away like nothing happened. He was pretty much toying with him the whole fight.

2. Dont know what your talking about, wasnt following your and his arguement.

3. Everytime i hear about sephiroth hes always in his "weakest" form or he "wasnt trying". I have nothing against him, but you people need to stop taking this and using it against the person he is fighting against. Until he show us his true strength, you guys cant keep saying hes not trying, because we dont know what his "true" strength is. It could be barely a little more than what hes at now, or it could be way more than anyone expected. but until he does show his true strength, you cant use that against dante, at all.

And the people that were shooting at zack werent that great as a gunslinger as dante is. Dante has pandora, which shoots way faster than any gun in FF, so it would be a lot harder for zack or seph do dodge his bullets.
And dont even start talking about speed feats, dante is way more faster and skilled than seph ever will be. When dante was still young, he was able to cut bullets in half, can move to speeds where he is very hard to be seen, and can catch bullets with his teeth. And rembember, this isnt even dmc 4 dante, who is much more skilled than any other dante.

Zack dodges bullets from like 9 gunmen with machine guns firing at him from all directions, the same Zack who gets speedblitz'd by the weakest form of Sephiroth.

The most powerful form of Sephiroth is AC Sephiroth in which he was on screen for 10 minutes, of toying around with Cloud and not using his powers. His powers have been shown throughout the series and Sephiroth himself has been stated to be the most powerful character in FF7, which means he's above characters who can quake planets in a smack, move faster then eyes can follow, and literally make Dante look like nothing.

Dante is NOT faster then Sephiroth, Sephiroth is faster in both physical speed, and he even has instant teleporting.

Dante wouldn't even beable to move anywhere if he fought Sephiroth, he would get stopped with TK, or crushed by the NL, or decapitated.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Zack dodges bullets from like 9 gunmen with machine guns firing at him from all directions, the same Zack who gets speedblitz'd by the weakest form of Sephiroth.

The most powerful form of Sephiroth is AC Sephiroth in which he was on screen for 10 minutes, of toying around with Cloud and not using his powers. His powers have been shown throughout the series and Sephiroth himself has been stated to be the most powerful character in FF7, which means he's above characters who can quake planets in a smack, move faster then eyes can follow, and literally make Dante look like nothing.

Dante is NOT faster then Sephiroth, Sephiroth is faster in both physical speed, and he even has instant teleporting.

Dante wouldn't even beable to move anywhere if he fought Sephiroth, he would get stopped with TK, or crushed by the NL, or decapitated.

1. Didnt he lose to cloud anyways? Yes or no question, please dont get into the whole "he lost but he wasnt really trying" thing. If he won, he won, if he lost, he lost. Thats it.

2. 9 gunmen would be a challenge, only if the gunmen were actually GOOD. What im trying to say is that dante is an expert with guns, hes used them pretty much his whole life, so dodging bullets from some wack gunmen isnt that big of a feat. Put it like this: if dante was the one shooting at zack, he wouldnt have been alive. Same goes for Seph.

3. I never said that sephiroth wasnt fast, he is. I never said he wasnt powerful, i didnt. Just... hes not more powerful or faster than dante. Please i do believe you, but just for some extra reference could you show me some of Sephs "great" speed feats? Because so far Dantes speed feats>>>>> Sephs speed feats

Originally posted by k1Lla441
1. Didnt he lose to cloud anyways? Yes or no question, please dont get into the whole "he lost but he wasnt really trying" thing. If he won, he won, if he lost, he lost. Thats it.
What relevance does that have? Cloud is nothing to Sephiroth, even the creators know that. Sephiroth did lose, but he lost because he didn't use any of his powers or even exert himself, so it holds no relevance here.


They're machine guns surrounding him, you would need to be insanely fast to dodge every single one of the bullets. If Dante was shooting Zack, Zack would dodge it, like i said, dodging bullets isn't hard for top FF characters, doesn't matter the aim because even if its aimed directly at the character the character will dodge it before the bullet reaches him. Sephiroth would dodge it as well. Sephiroth is much faster then Dante.


Sephiroth is more powerful then Dante, has Dante ever come close to holding a power capable of wrecking a planet with his mind? Sephiroth gained control over the power which is the source or "blood" of the planet which is the source of magic,power,energy, and gained control over the entity Jenova, which has powerful abilities.


Show me Dante's speed feat.

You can see some of his speed by his remnant Loz who is just a fraction of Sephiroths power

Sephiroth never really displayed much speed feats in his 10 minutes on screen in AC, but he did show a little bit

at 00:50 seconds he flys from a FAR distance to the entrance in a split second
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Frame by Frame, notice he's just a spec in the distance

http://i44.tinypic.com/52eupy.gif

Keep in mind that he also has instant teleporting

Do you make your own GIF's?

And,



This is a fallacious argument.

Terry that clip you keep showing is when Sephiroth is below Cloud and Jumps from below the screen of the clip your showing, he doesnt fly across, this is where they had already begun their battle which was always inside the little area of the city, so if he flew, he did not fly a great distance either, but I remember the film, i watched it yesterday and he didnt fly at that point straight towards cloud, he was already moving towards cloud after the first slash and continued then jumped.

Umm no, i used to think that as well, but if you pause it frame by frame you can see he's coming from the distance at super speed, he starts off as a dot, then the dot comes closer and it's Sephiroth, pay attention to the GIF i posted, or at 0:49, rapidly click the pause/play button so its showing in slow-motion.

Well regardless its still not bullet speed is it, so Dantes feats against Sephiroth still trump him.

Where is Dante's bullet speed feat?

The one where he blasts bullets out of the air with his own, you would need bullet speed reflexes to block bullets

Originally posted by SHM
Asking PK to don't bash other people like a troll, is the same as asking him to not be... Himself.
And that's impossible.
You don't need to be annoying too, SHM.

Originally posted by Burning thought
The one where he blasts bullets out of the air with his own, you would need bullet speed reflexes to block bullets
Thats not much of an actual physical moving speed feat, more of a good reflex and aim feat..

It's a reflexive feat, yeah.

I've never seen Dante move his body faster than a bullet. Reaction speed is complementary of moving speed, you can't move fast if you don't have the reflexes to avoid running into a wall, but you can have fast reflexes and slow movement speed.

And I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but can't Dante slow down time?

He was fast enough to turn on fire, Speedblitz Argosax/Most powerful evil God
dodge bullets Lady shot at him, turn on fire, and was fast enough to hit the raindrops and prevent the rain from hitting him.

In DMC 3, Dante (before his DT awoke) was shown fighting with Vergil with such speed, the strikes could not be clearly seen, and created so much force that it created a sheild that prevented the rain from reaching either combatant; only when the two locked swords did the rain drop on them;

In DMC 1, Dante was shown to have weilded Alastor in very quick fashion while glass fell around him (time slows down for the viewer so we could see the moves before the glass even touches the ground); Dante was also not DT'd at this point.






Yes. He can slow time 3 ways.

1.In DMC1-Bangle of Time.

2.DMC3-QuikSilver.

3.DMC2-Chrono Heat-

Originally posted by Terryc250
What relevance does that have? Cloud is nothing to Sephiroth, even the creators know that. Sephiroth did lose, but he lost because he didn't use any of his powers or even exert himself, so it holds no relevance here.


They're machine guns surrounding him, you would need to be insanely fast to dodge every single one of the bullets. If Dante was shooting Zack, Zack would dodge it, like i said, dodging bullets isn't hard for top FF characters, doesn't matter the aim because even if its aimed directly at the character the character will dodge it before the bullet reaches him. Sephiroth would dodge it as well. Sephiroth is much faster then Dante.


Sephiroth is more powerful then Dante, has Dante ever come close to holding a power capable of wrecking a planet with his mind? Sephiroth gained control over the power which is the source or "blood" of the planet which is the source of magic,power,energy, and gained control over the entity Jenova, which has powerful abilities.


Show me Dante's speed feat.

You can see some of his speed by his remnant Loz who is just a fraction of Sephiroths power

Sephiroth never really displayed much speed feats in his 10 minutes on screen in AC, but he did show a little bit

at 00:50 seconds he flys from a FAR distance to the entrance in a split second
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Frame by Frame, notice he's just a spec in the distance

http://i44.tinypic.com/52eupy.gif

Keep in mind that he also has instant teleporting
1. It has relevance in the fact that to get sephiroths peak power, his biggest feats, we have to take his strongest from, which is from ac. And if he lost to cloud (in ac), then we know that the form of sephiroth lost to someone of clouds level. How did he lose anyways? Someone told me he got stabbed by a sword or something.

2. Shooting where somebody is at doesnt necassarily make you a good gunman. Dante Would easily find out, and shoot not where zack (or anyother ff character) is but where he is going to be. Its easy to point a gun at someone, shoot, and for a ff character to dodge the shot. But its a different story when the shooter will shoot where your at, and where your going to be, so its much harder to dodge the shot. Also including the fact that the gunman thats shooting at you can move at extremely fast speeds also.

3. Originally posted by Gumachi
He was fast enough to turn on fire, Speedblitz Argosax/Most powerful evil God
dodge bullets Lady shot at him, turn on fire, and was fast enough to hit the raindrops and prevent the rain from hitting him.

In DMC 3, Dante (before his DT awoke) was shown fighting with Vergil with such speed, the strikes could not be clearly seen, and created so much force that it created a sheild that prevented the rain from reaching either combatant; only when the two locked swords did the rain drop on them;

In DMC 1, Dante was shown to have weilded Alastor in very quick fashion while glass fell around him (time slows down for the viewer so we could see the moves before the glass even touches the ground); Dante was also not DT'd at this point.






Yes. He can slow time 3 ways.

1.In DMC1-Bangle of Time.

2.DMC3-QuikSilver.

3.DMC2-Chrono Heat-
Besides all of the speed feats gumachi just stated, here are a few more feats and some videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7UztLYJIgU&feature=related At about 0:16 he moves up to nero in a split second

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljVKGGWQHPs&feature=related He shows some sword speed in the beginning, and shows the he too can also fight very fastly in the air. At 2:28 he is instantly dodges the enemies attack. And at 3:19 he shows some of his gunman skills. He stacks bullet after bullet on top of eachother at the handle of yamato from a good distance away while dodging the saviors punch. I bet you the guys that shot zack dont have that good of an aim.

The stuff you showed me was alright, but not as good as dantes speed feats.

Originally posted by k1Lla441
1. It has relevance in the fact that to get sephiroths peak power, his biggest feats, we have to take his strongest from, which is from ac. And if he lost to cloud (in ac), then we know that the form of sephiroth lost to someone of clouds level. How did he lose anyways? Someone told me he got stabbed by a sword or something.


Cloud used omnislash. But that fight is PIS because Sephiroth didn't use, I'm pretty sure, a single one of his powers. All he used was his sword.He wasn't fighting to his true ability. It'd be like Itachi fighting someone but not using his sharingan. If he were to lose it'd be PIS because he didn't use the full range of his abilities, not because eh couldn't but because he chose not too.

What powers could he have used? I think the only time it was PIS was when he didnt kill Cloud and rather tormented him but no its not really PIS, its Sephiroths character, hes not being stupid for any plot hes simply being his character who talks a load first and kills later.

Okay, then it's CIS. Same thing basically.

Ime not really sure anyone is being stupid, he was simply acting exactley the way Sephiroth would, if he killed Cloud then he would be acting out of character and would prob make people who know sephiroths character which is probably a lot of his fans disapointed more than disapointed Cloud died.

Either way, what could he have done? I mean he had plenty of time afterwards and before Cloud omnislashed to do something that his fans (or fanboys/girls) think he should have done, so what could it be?

It was CIS because he went easy on Cloud the whole fight, giving Cloud enough time to gather his friendship energy which each Japanese protagonist in fiction has, allowing him to his him with his Friendship Slash.

Originally posted by k1Lla441
1. It has relevance in the fact that to get sephiroths peak power, his biggest feats, we have to take his strongest from, which is from ac. And if he lost to cloud (in ac), then we know that the form of sephiroth lost to someone of clouds level. How did he lose anyways? Someone told me he got stabbed by a sword or something.
It's not his peak power, his peak power has been stated above characters like Chaos, Minerva, Omega who would destroy Dante. He got hit by Omnislash, some spiritual PIS move that has no properties and is basically just there for plot purposes.



First video is hardly a speed feat because he's not even on screen when he moved, for all we know he started moving right when Nero fell down, which isn't fast at all

The second video just shows a the person slashing at where he thought Dante was, but made himself look like an idiot because Dante wasn't even there.

All these "feats" have Dante moving when he wasn't even on screen so its all moot.

And QS and his abilities require DT, and drains DT if he uses it, if Sephiroth teleports far in the air, Dante will really be helpless, Sephiroth will just summon the NL to crush him, or use TK on him.


The plot ALWAYS finds a way for the good guy to win obviously, thats why they induce stupidity into a character, like have Sephiroth use none of his abilities andhave Sephiroth not exert himself. Realistically everyone knows CLoud is no match for Sephiroth, even the creators themselves know that, which is why they made that scenario of Sephiroth doing absolutely nothing and basically letting Cloud do it on him. These kinds of things don't happen in KMC battles because we look at them realistically.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
It was CIS because he went easy on Cloud the whole fight, giving Cloud enough time to gather his friendship energy which each Japanese protagonist in fiction has, allowing him to his him with his Friendship Slash.

But explain what could Sephiroth have done? and Character induced stupidity that stands for right? how is Sephiroth stupid for following what his character actually is? its not stupidity if thats who you are....

Originally posted by Terryc250
The plot ALWAYS finds a way for the good guy to win obviously, thats why they induce stupidity into a character, like have Sephiroth use none of his abilities andhave Sephiroth not exert himself. Realistically everyone knows CLoud is no match for Sephiroth, even the creators themselves know that, which is why they made that scenario of Sephiroth doing absolutely nothing and basically letting Cloud do it on him. These kinds of things don't happen in KMC battles because we look at them realistically.

But to me Cloud won a fairly fair victory consdiering everyone is acting the way they should be, Sephiroth never goes straight for a quick kill especially not against Cloud.....thing is youve not answered my question, what "could" Sephiroth do in the split seconds Cloud had to do omnislash? Sephiroth doesnt move faster than Omnislash....and what could he possibly do? spend 10 mins trying to summon meteor....

Dante can since things from afar. Also Ladyshot a bullet and he dodge it. And Arkham creeped up on Dante and he blocked his attack.

Don't forget Dante can teleport also.

ye and dont forget Dante can jump really high and block all attacks!

Dante can't teleport.

Originally posted by Burning thought
But to me Cloud won a fairly fair victory consdiering everyone is acting the way they should be, Sephiroth never goes straight for a quick kill especially not against Cloud.....thing is youve not answered my question, what "could" Sephiroth do in the split seconds Cloud had to do omnislash? Sephiroth doesnt move faster than Omnislash....and what could he possibly do? spend 10 mins trying to summon meteor....
What do you mean? Sephiroth massacred the entire Shinra corp in minutes, killed Aeris in a second, he could've just killed Cloud right on the spot but instead kept him alive just to taunt him some more, that right there is obvious PIS/CIS, if Spehiroth was aiming to kill he would've stabbed him right through the forehead. Rofl why would he try to summon a meteor? He could've just used the NL directly on Cloud instead of spreading it through the planet, he could've used his TK, his powers, theres so many things he could've done in that fight but the creators limited him to do basically nothing at all, and even still then he could've killed Cloud.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Sephiroth doesnt move faster than Omnislash....and what could he possibly do? spend 10 mins trying to summon meteor....

Easy, kill Cloud before he gets it off, duh.

Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
Dante can't teleport.

Dark Slayer.

Like I said from what i've heard/seen my money is still on Seph.