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Jax vs Balrog
Sonya Blade vs Chung Li
Lui Kang vs Ryu
Johnny Cage vs Ken
Baraka vs Blanka
Kano vs Guile
Shao Kahn vs Akuma
Shang Tsung vs Bison
Goro vs Sagat
Kitana vs Cammy
Motoro vs Zangief
Sheeva vs E. Honda
Queen Sindel vs Dhalsim
Kung Lao vs Fei Long
Nightwolf vs Deejay

Which side takes this?

Street Fighter

Jax vs Balrog = jax
Sonya Blade vs Chung Li = chun li
Lui Kang vs Ryu = ryu
Johnny Cage vs Ken = ken
Baraka vs Blanka = baraka
Kano vs Guile = guile
Shao Kahn vs Akuma = akuma
Shang Tsung vs Bison = shang
Goro vs Sagat = hmmm tie?
Kitana vs Cammy = cammy
Motoro vs Zangief = motoro
Sheeva vs E. Honda = sheeva
Queen Sindel vs Dhalsim = dhalsim
Kung Lao vs Fei Long = tie
Nightwolf vs Deejay = nightwolf

moving to vg vs...

Jax vs Balrog = Jax
Sonya Blade vs Chung Li = Chun Li
Lui Kang vs Ryu = Ryu
Johnny Cage vs Ken = Ken
Baraka vs Blanka = Baraka
Kano vs Guile = Guile
Shao Kahn vs Akuma = Shao Kahn
Shang Tsung vs Bison = Shang Tsung
Goro vs Sagat = Goro
Kitana vs Cammy = Kitana
Motoro vs Zangief = Motoro
Sheeva vs E. Honda = E. Honda
Queen Sindel vs Dhalsim = Dhalsim
Kung Lao vs Fei Long = Kung Lao
Nightwolf vs Deejay = Nightwolf

MK: 9, SF: 6...

Just my opinion though *runs*

Your opinion is wrong.

1.Balrog
2. Chun Li
3. Ryu
4. Ken
5. Baraka
6. Guile
7. Akuma
8. M. Bison
9. Hm. Hard to say, Sagat is featless despite his high status.
10. Kitana
11. Zangief
12. Has E. Honda ever done anything, like, ever?
13. Same with Dhalsim.
14. Kung Lao
15. Nightwolf.

Shao Kahn beating Gouki? haermm

And I think Blanka could beat Baraka. Those steel blades make great lightning rods...

Those blades are bone are they not?

Maybe I'm thinking of Wolverine. haermm

I dounno what they're made of. His character was apparently inspired by Logan, though.

Well they're white and come out of his arms...

I think you're right.

Of course I am. I'm God for a reason.

I see it like this:

Jax vs. Balrog=Jax
Sonya Blade vs. Chun Li=Chun Li
Liu Kang vs. Ryu=Liu Kang
Johnny Cage vs. Ken=Ken
Kano vs. Guile=Guile
Baraka vs. Blanka=Draw
Shao Kahn vs. Akuma=Shao Kahn
Shang Tsung vs. Bison=Bison
Goro vs. Sagat=Goro
Kitana vs. Cammy=Kitana
Motaro vs. Zangief=?
Sheeva vs. E. Honda=Sheeva
Sindel vs. Dhalsim=Sindel
Kung Lao vs. Fei Long=Kung Lao

You see it wrong.

Only in your eyes.

No. You see it wrong.

Shao Kahn vs. Bison

Round 1
Shao Kahn wins

Round 2
FINISH HIM!
Shao Kahn wins
FATALITY

*sighs*

And how will one of the slowest characters in MK do that when Bison can Psycho Crush ftw?

And Shao Kahn was fighting Gouki.

Who can one shot him.

I thought it said Shao Kahn vs. Bison because all the matches are too close too eachother and it got me a little mixed up. I only say that Kahn owns Bison because Bison is one of my least favorite characters in SF.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
No. You see it wrong.

No YOU see it wrong.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
And how will one of the slowest characters in MK do that when Bison can Psycho Crush ftw?

And Shao Kahn was fighting Gouki.

Who can one shot him.

Shao Kahn would kill Gouki too.

And how are you gonna say Shao Kahn is slow?

haermm

What's SHao Kahn's best speed feat?

Both games overall cast is aw'ight. The Bosses of the games are the real heavy hittaz.

I may give the slight edge to the MK guys.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
haermm

What's SHao Kahn's best speed feat?

What's Bison's?

Answer my question.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Answer my question.

Really? Look at that speed around 1:20

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Uh...

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Uh...

Only Shao Khan could lose that fast. He may even lose faster in this fight.

haermm

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Answer my question.

Answer mines.

Originally posted by SmashBro
Answer mines.

Oh come on dude now thats just being childish. He did ask first and this really isn't helping your arguments.

It's okay, it's SmashBro. The truth is that he doesn't have any speed feats for Shao Kahn. So he wants me to post some of Bison's, and then he'll spend all day and all night trying to discredit them, and the fact that SHao Kahn has no speed feats will be forgotten. But it doesn't matter; I'm not going to put up with such naive tactics. I asked first, and I won't post in here until he mans up and either answers my question or admits that he can't.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Oh come on dude now thats just being childish. He did ask first and this really isn't helping your arguments.

It doesn't matter who asked first, that's not an excuse for him to not answer either. If you look at the situation he's in, then you'd see his arguement is no better than mine, thus there's no way it's helping his argument either. That's why he's trying to divert attention away from his own argument so he can attack mines. THAT'S childish so you might as well get on him too.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
It's okay, it's SmashBro. The truth is that he doesn't have any speed feats for Shao Kahn. So he wants me to post some of Bison's, and then he'll spend all day and all night trying to discredit them, and the fact that SHao Kahn has no speed feats will be forgotten. But it doesn't matter; I'm not going to put up with such naive tactics. I asked first, and I won't post in here until he mans up and either answers my question or admits that he can't.

The only time I've seen him do anything fast was when he was running in-game, that isn't saying much though seeing as everyone ran fast in that game at the same speed. So he is fast in game but I haven't seen anything that makes him fast OOG.

Jax vs Balrog Jax 7/10
Sonya Blade vs Chung Li Chun-Li 7/10
Lui Kang vs Ryu Ryu 8/10
Johnny Cage vs Ken Ken maybe 9/10
Baraka vs Blanka Split
Kano vs Guile Guile 7/10 or more
Shao Kahn vs Akuma Akuma 9/10 based on ACTUAL showings
Shang Tsung vs Bison Bison 8/10
Goro vs Sagat Sagat 8/10 Goro has been weakend
Kitana vs Cammy Cammy 8/10 Shes way too good
Motoro vs Zangief Motoro 6/10 Zangief's moves just wouldnt work
Sheeva vs E. Honda Sheeva 7/10
Queen Sindel vs Dhalsim Close fight, neither are impressive
Kung Lao vs Fei Long In a straight fight, Im gonna go Fei Long 6/10
Nightwolf vs Deejay Also close, no opinion

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
It's okay, it's SmashBro. The truth is that he doesn't have any speed feats for Shao Kahn. So he wants me to post some of Bison's, and then he'll spend all day and all night trying to discredit them, and the fact that SHao Kahn has no speed feats will be forgotten. But it doesn't matter; I'm not going to put up with such naive tactics. I asked first, and I won't post in here until he mans up and either answers my question or admits that he can't.

Anybody noticed something here? Now he's admitting that he has some speed feats for Bison but is making up a bogus excuse not to post them. He's not posting them simply because of how I might respond, which is absurd. If he really did have them, he would have went on and post them but instead he's using me as an excuse not to post them. Basically his argument is "I can answer it but I don't want to"...which is unfit for someone if they really did.

Bison's Psycho Crusher alone makes him faster, but he was also able to outrun Charlie, who was flying a friggin jet to his base.

That a good enough speed feat?

It is better than any speed feat of Kahn's.

Everyone in MK except a select few are human speed or slower.

Kahn falls into the latter.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Bison's Psycho Crusher alone makes him faster, but he was also able to outrun Charlie, who was flying a friggin jet to his base.

That a good enough speed feat?

It is better than any speed feat of Kahn's.

Everyone in MK except a select few are human speed or slower.

Kahn falls into the latter.

Well if you think about, Kahn's dash attack is fast. But still how does this show that he is slow?

And where was it stated that Bison outran Charlie's jet?

Originally posted by SmashBro
Well if you think about, Kahn's dash attack is fast. But still how does this show that he is slow?

And where was it stated that Bison outran Charlie's jet?

Do you mean that shoulder tackle that only goes about 5 feet?

Yeah that one and the one that goes in the air.

Originally posted by SmashBro
Yeah that one and the one that goes in the air.

How is that a speed feat when he only goes like 5 feet?

I'm referring to how fast he moves, not how far.

not really much of a speed feat when you only move like 3-5 feet in-game.

But I was just pointing out how fast it's executed. Afterall, it's a fight, not a race.

Originally posted by SmashBro
Well if you think about, Kahn's dash attack is fast. But still how does this show that he is slow?

And where was it stated that Bison outran Charlie's jet? The shoulder tackle of doom? He moves a few feet after building momentum with a hop. Wow. No. The cutscenes show he is slow. Watch the most recent canon cut-scene with him in it, specifically the MK Armageddon intro, he was clearly very slow.

...Wtf, it was shown.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
The shoulder tackle of doom? He moves a few feet after building momentum with a hop. Wow. No. The cutscenes show he is slow. Watch the most recent canon cut-scene with him in it, specifically the MK Armageddon intro, he was clearly very slow.

...Wtf, it was shown.

He wasn't even fighting much in the cutscenes. All he did was swing his hammer at everybody so that didn't really prove a thing.

And you're still ignoring how fast the actual move is.

Originally posted by SmashBro
He wasn't even fighting much in the cutscenes. All he did was swing his hammer at everybody so that didn't really prove a thing.

And you're still ignoring how fast the actual move is.

1. It's an in-game feat
2. I'm so sure that moving 3 feet in like 2 seconds is pretty impressive if you're We Todd Ed.

Be careful Wei. Saying retard is offensive!

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Be careful Wei. Saying retard is offensive!

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
1. It's an in-game feat
2. I'm so sure that moving 3 feet in like 2 seconds is pretty impressive if you're We Todd Ed.

Que? lol

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
1. It's an in-game feat
2. I'm so sure that moving 3 feet in like 2 seconds is pretty impressive if you're a retard.

1. Didn't stop Jaxx from bringing up the Psycho Crusher.

2. What do you mean? It nearly went all the way across the screen in MK2 and 3.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Be careful Wei. Saying retard is offensive!

I sure don't think he use that word on autistic people though.

... Bison has canonically used the psychocrusher dude.

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. Didn't stop Jaxx from bringing up the Psycho Crusher.

2. What do you mean? It nearly went all the way across the screen in MK2 and 3.

1. Bison Psycho Crushes mofos out of the game many times
2. I remember it being like 5 feet in Armaggeddon.

Difference is I also brought up an actual storyline feat.

The cutscene showed him swinging his hammer...Slowly.

As for t3h move, no not that impressive.

Prove Kahn is fast.

And that is ignoring the fact that Kahn is fighting Gouki, who is much faster and can kill Kahn in one move.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
1. Bison Psycho Crushes mofos out of the game many times
2. I remember it being like 5 feet in Armaggeddon.

1. So would Kahn's attack.

2. It was nerfed in that game.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
... Bison has canonically used the psychocrusher dude.

And? Why is that such a big deal?

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Difference is I also brought up an actual storyline feat.

The cutscene showed him swinging his hammer...Slowly.

As for t3h move, no not that impressive.

Prove Kahn is fast.

And that is ignoring the fact that Kahn is fighting Gouki, who is much faster and can kill Kahn in one move.

1. You're using his abilities as long as it was in a storyline?

2. He was spinning around with it too,

3. And that's ignoring the fact that Shao Kahn could just easily take his soul.

*sighs*

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. So would Kahn's attack.

2. It was nerfed in that game.



And? Why is that such a big deal?



1. You're using his abilities as long as it was in a storyline?

2. He was spinning around with it too,

3. And that's ignoring the fact that Shao Kahn could just easily take his soul.

1. That attack was never used out of game
2. That is the most recent showing of that move so he must've slowed down after returning from the dead. I mean he wasn't fast enough to fend off Tsung and Chi
3. Bison has a soul? I thought that he just moved his consciouness into new bodies.

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. You're using his abilities as long as it was in a storyline?


That's... generally how things work on this site, Smash. Moves that are performed in the storyline are canon. Moves that aren't are generally ignored. They're called game mechanics.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
1. That attack was never used out of game
2. That is the most recent showing of that move so he must've slowed down after returning from the dead. I mean he wasn't fast enough to fend off Tsung and Chi
3. Bison has a soul? I thought that he just moved his consciouness into new bodies.

1. Why should that matter?

2. Tsung and Chi didn't even attack him. Shang Tsung was the only one who managed to hit him before he was taken by Onaga.

3. I was really talking about Gouki. But I think there's a certain thing that's gotta happen before Bison could take someones body.

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. You're using his abilities as long as it was in a storyline?

2. He was spinning around with it too,

3. And that's ignoring the fact that Shao Kahn could just easily take his soul. 1. A. Yes, since we would know what they look like outside of gameplay.

B. I brought up a feat that happened in a cut-scene.

2. ...So? In the scene, he swung his hammer slowly, ran slowly, and was picked off without being able to defend himself by the slow Onaga. Seriously, PROVE KAHN IS FAST.

3. Like he constantly does in the games right? Not to mention Gouki does similar.

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. Why should that matter?

2. Tsung and Chi didn't even attack him. Shang Tsung was the only one who managed to hit him before he was taken by Onaga.

3. I was really talking about Gouki. But I think there's a certain thing that's gotta happen before Bison could take someones body. 1. Because gameplay is not a reliable indication of things, especially in fighting games.

2. He was talking about when they beat his ass in Deadly Alliance I assume.

3. His mortal shell has to die.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Because gameplay is not a reliable indication of things, especially in fighting games.

2. He was talking about when they beat his ass in Deadly Alliance I assume.

3. His mortal shell has to die.

Yeah I was talking about in DA.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
That's... generally how things work on this site, Smash. Moves that are performed in the storyline are canon. Moves that aren't are generally ignored. They're called game mechanics.

But that's ignoring their basic abilities. Cutscenes don't usually involve too much action so using ONLY those is kind of...nonsense in my opinion.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. A. Yes, since we would know what they look like outside of gameplay.

B. I brought up a feat that happened in a cut-scene.

2. ...So? In the scene, he swung his hammer slowly, ran slowly, and was picked off without being able to defend himself by the slow Onaga. Seriously, PROVE KAHN IS FAST.

3. Like he constantly does in the games right? Not to mention Gouki does similar.

1. A. But you still can't ignore the fact the character has those abiliities.

B. But you didn't explain how it was fast.

2. He didn't swing the hammer slowly. The guy was twisting around with and manage to knock away the people who got next to him. They couldn't even get near him. Only later it was Shang who managed to attack.

3. Similar but not the same. And the reason he doesn't do it in game is because the other characters' souls are protected by Raiden.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Because gameplay is not a reliable indication of things, especially in fighting games.

2. He was talking about when they beat his ass in Deadly Alliance I assume.

3. His mortal shell has to die.

1. I don't know about you but that really doesn't make any sense to me.

2. That was a clone.

3. It died like twice already, didn't it?

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. A. But you still can't ignore the fact the character has those abiliities.

B. But you didn't explain how it was fast.

2. He didn't swing the hammer slowly. The guy was twisting around with and manage to knock away the people who got next to him. They couldn't even get near him. Only later it was Shang who managed to attack.

3. Similar but not the same. And the reason he doesn't do it in game is because the other characters' souls are protected by Raiden. 1. A. No. But we can't use them as definate indications of speed or strength either.

B. ...Dude wtf, he out-ran a fvcking Military Jet, how did I not explain it was fast?

2. He turned around and swung his hammer. And almost everyone in MK is slow, hell, Shang Tsung is only human in terms of speed, and he was able to attack Kahn.

How's about you shut up, quit stalling, and show some proof of Khan's speed?

3. Only a few people are protected by Raiden, not to mention he won't be able to use his soul power before Gouki punches him so hard in the chest that his torso will fly off his arms, legs, and head.

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. I don't know about you but that really doesn't make any sense to me.

2. That was a clone.

3. It died like twice already, didn't it? 1. Gameplay mechanics are used to balance things in-game. In-game, Batman strikes faster than Darkseid, yet we know Darkseid is faster.

2. True. But that was what he was talking about is all I was saying.

3. And came back both times, even after Gouki used the Shun Goku no Satsu on him.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. A. No. But we can't use them as definate indications of speed or strength either.

B. ...Dude wtf, he out-ran a fvcking Military Jet, how did I not explain it was fast?

2. He turned around and swung his hammer. And almost everyone in MK is slow, hell, Shang Tsung is only human in terms of speed, and he was able to attack Kahn.

How's about you shut up, quit stalling, and show some proof of Khan's speed?

3. Only a few people are protected by Raiden, not to mention he won't be able to use his soul power before Gouki punches him so hard in the chest that his torso will fly off his arms, legs, and head.

1. A. I know that.

B. I asked you to prove that he outran it.

2. With just a kick, that is. Besides, that's Shang Tsung, which isn't the issue here.

Also, remember, this whole thing started because you said Kahn was slow. I think it's best YOU quit stalling.

3. Really? I must have missed that Gouki was The Flash. And so what if Raiden protected a "few people"? The many people who didn't get protected still got their soul taken.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Gameplay mechanics are used to balance things in-game. In-game, Batman strikes faster than Darkseid, yet we know Darkseid is faster.

2. True. But that was what he was talking about is all I was saying.

3. And came back both times, even after Gouki used the Shun Goku no Satsu on him.

1. That's different though. In game, Batman also uses the gadgets he alos uses in other media. As far as speed and strength, that can't be determine by gameplay mechanics but whether the character actually have the ability can (unless proved otherwise).

2. Okay.

3. Gouki only used it on Bison once though. And it's yet to be explained how he got back this time.