Edgar Cayce, Nostradamus, And The Bible On World War 3

Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.



NuclearWinter
Every year, tens of thousands of people from all over the world become interested in the life work of one ordinary man. He was an average individual in most respects: a loving husband, a father of two children, a skilled photographer, a devoted Sunday School teacher, and an eager gardener. Yet, throughout his life, he also displayed one of the most remarkable psychic talents of all time. His name was Edgar Cayce.

For forty-three years of his adult life, Edgar Cayce demonstrated the uncanny ability to put himself into some kind of self-induced sleep state by lying down on a couch, closing his eyes, and folding his hands over his stomach. This state of relaxation and meditation enabled him to place his mind in contact with all time and space.

Though Cayce died more than half a century ago, the timeliness of the material in the readings is evidenced by approximately one dozen biographies and more than 300 titles that discuss various aspects of this man's life and work. These books contain a corpus of information so valuable that even Edgar Cayce himself might have hesitated to predict their impact on the latter part of the twentieth century.

Sixty years ago who could have known that terms such as "meditation," "akashic records," "spiritual growth," "auras," "soul mates," and "holism" would become household words to hundreds of thousands? Further details about his life and work are explored in such classic works as There Is a River (1942) by Thomas Sugrue, The Sleeping Prophet (1967) by Jess Stearn, Many Mansions (1950) by Gina Cerminara, and Edgar Cayce-An American Prophet (2000) by Sidney Kirkpatrick.

Daily for over forty years of his adult life, Cayce would lie down on a couch with his hands folded over his stomach and allow himself to enter a self-induced sleep state. Then, provided with the name and location of an individual anywhere in the world he would speak in a normal voice and give answers to any questions about that person that he was asked. These answers, which came to be called "readings" were written down by a stenographer, who kept one copy on file and sent another to the person who had requested the information.

Today on file at the Association for Research and Enlightenment, Inc. (A.R.E.), in Virginia Beach, Virginia, are copies of more than 14,000 of Edgar Cayce's readings. These are available to the public and have been filed along with any follow-up reports received from the individuals who had asked for the readings. This material represents the most massive collection of psychic information ever obtained from a single source. The organization founded by Cayce in 1931 to document, research and disseminate his information has grown from a few hundred supporters at the time of Cayce's death in 1945 to one which is worldwide. Countless individuals have been touched by the life work of this man who was raised a simple farm boy and yet became one of the most versatile and credible psychics the world has ever known. In addition to the Cayce readings, the organization makes available a large collection of Edgar Cayce books, New Age books, Self-Help books and Metaphysical Books.

NuclearWinter
EDGAR CAYCE'S PREDICTION:

"There will be a potential Third World War In Libya, and in Egypt, in Ankara, and in Syria; through the straits around those areas above Australia, in the Indian Ocean and the Persian Gulf."


Cayce - in the 1930s - indicated the 'sins' of the key nations:

America - has forgotten "in God we trust"
England - conceit
France - lust
China - isolationism
India - internalization of knowledge
Italy - dissensions


He said "Russia will become beacons of hope for the world."

Through Russia, Cayce said "comes the hope of the world. Not in respect to what is sometimes termed Communism or Bolshevism -- no! But freedom -- freedom! That each man will live for his fellow man. The principle has been born there. It will take years for it to be crystallized; yet out of Russia comes again the hope of the world."

Cayce also predicted the possibility of a THIRD World War. He spoke of strifes arising..."in Libya, and in Egypt, in Ankara, and in Syria; through the straits around those areas above the Persian Gulf."

Later on, when asked in June 1943 whether it would be feasible to work towards an equitable international world currency or a stabilization of international exchange levels when the war (WW II) had ended, Cayce replied that it would be a long, long time before this would happen. Indeed, he said, "there may be another war (WW III) over just such conditions."

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus, (December 14, 1503 - July 1, 1566) born Michel de Nostredame, is one of the world's most famous authors of prophecies. He is most famous for his book Les Propheties, which consists of rhymed quatrains (4 line poems) grouped into sets of 100, called Centuries.

Nostradamus enthusiasts have credited him with predicting an amazing number of events in world history, including the French Revolution, the atom bomb, and the rise of Adolf Hitler.

What may be most astounding are some of his predictions for our current century as he describes wars and events which are astoundingly similar to what is currently happening in the world as I am writing this.

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"The Anti-Christ three very soon Annihilates,

Twenty-seven bloody years his war will last.

Heretics dead, captive, exiled.

Water red hail cover the Earth."


NOTE:

In this one he is obviously describing the Anti-Christ and his attempt to take over our World. But one must remember that when it comes to war, military action is not the only aspect of it. Often times it is the final one but not the first.

So...given that, if we take what Nostradamus said about the Anti-Christ's war lasting for 27 years, we could look at it with the angle of realizing that it is quite possible that 24 of those years have already gone by. And that the Anti-Christ is about to make his final move, which is Military Action against the World. I could see this as a very good possibility, because the last 7 years will be the worst, and this correlates with what the Bible talks about with the 7 year tribulation period.

So....if we go back 24 years, than we can definately see that China was acting up in the 1980's.. The tanks and the protestors will probably ring a bell for some.

So therefore I believe that we have a few years left to the Anti-Christ's war. And I believe that this will be time time when he steps out of the Shadows, and into the public arena, and that he will make his presence known to the World.

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"One who the infernal Gods of Hannibal

Will cause to be born, terror to all mankind,

Never more horror nor the newspapers

tell of worse in the past,

Then will come to the Italians through Babylon."


NOTE:

This one seems to be about the Anti-Christ as well, and of the travel routes of Italian forces.

Babylon was a city-state of ancient Mesopotamia (which was sometimes considered an Empire), the remains of which can be found in present-day Al Hillah, Babil Province, Iraq, about 85 kilometers (55 mi) south of Baghdad.

It appears that Nostradamus is claiming here that Soldiers from Italy will travel through Iraq to get to their destination. Wherever that may be.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Hammurabi%27s_Babylonia_1.svg/400px-Hammurabi%27s_Babylonia_1.svg.png

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"The year, seventh month,

From the sky will come a great King of Terror:

To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols,

Before and after Mars to reign by good luck."


NOTE:

In this prediction it appears that Nostradamus is describing some kind of supernatural type of event that will allow someone with great influence over the "mongols" (Mongolians?) to gain great power from it's aftermath.

China does have alot of leverage over Mongolia. And the current Chinese President does as well.

I have long since wondered if the current Chinese President could one day turn out to be the Anti-Christ. Only time will tell. And if not the current one, it could very well be the one right after him.

http://www.paulnoll.com/China/History/China-map.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Mongolia_1996_CIA_map.jpg

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"A horrible war which is being prepared in the west,

The following year the pestilence will come,

So very horrible that young nor old,

nor animal (may survive).

Blood fire Mercury Mars Jupiter in France."


NOTE:

This prediction seems to be about World War 3 and a war being prepared in the west. It is important to note that China is considered to be in the North-Western hemisphere of the World.

He also seems to claim that during this time there will be "blood" and "fire" in France.

http://bonjourlafrance.net/france-map/images/map-france-departments-6-460k-1100x1220.jpg

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"The Oriental will come out of his Seat,

Crossing the Apennie Mountains seeing France:

Transported through the sky the waters and snows,

And shall strike everyone with his rod."


NOTE:

Obviously he is talking about China rising up against the World in this one. He appears to be claiming that China will cross some mountains and it appears that whoever is in charge of the Chinese army will meet with France, possibly to declare/wage war. The hint we are given that this won't be a very friendly meeting is because he specifically states that this leader and his forces (who will travel by air, land, and sea) will "Strike everyone with his rod". Clearly that is a statement that refers to some kind of attack or another.

He plainly states that the route this Oriental leader will take will be across the Apennie Mountains. The Apennines or Apennine Mountains is a mountain range stretching 1000 km from the north to the south of Italy along its east coast, traversing the entire peninsula, and forming the backbone of the country.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/22/40410668_f80398e630.jpg

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"From the Black Sea and Central Asia,

A King will come to see France,

He will pass through Alania and Albania,

And in Istanbul will leave his bloody Rod."


NOTE:

Here he appears to be talking about China's leader again. He mentions that the Leader will come to France, and also that he will pass through the territories of Alania and Albania, and then that he will "leave his bloody rod" in Istanbul. Istanbul probably means Turkey, so this looks like a prediction of an attack on Turkey as well.

He also mentions that the king/leader will come from the Black Sea/Central Asia before he goes to France. So he gives us a clue as to where this leader (and his army I would assume) will be coming from before the attack on Turkey.

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/trinanes/graphics/black_sea.jpg

Even before the attack on Turkey, Nostradamus mentions that this "king" and his army will pass through Alania and Albania.

Alania was a medieval kingdom of the Alans (proto-Ossetians) that flourished in the Northern Caucasus, roughly in the location of latter-day Circassia and modern North Ossetia-Alania, from the 8th or 9th century until its destruction by the Mongol invasion in 1238-39. Its capital was Maghas, and it controlled a vital trade route through the Darial Pass.

Here is a map Map showing the location of Alania, c. 650 CE:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Khazar0.png

Albania is a country in South Eastern Europe. It is bordered by Greece to the south-east, Montenegro to the north, Kosovo to the northeast, and the Republic of Macedonia to the east. It has a coast on the Adriatic Sea to the west, and on the Ionian Sea to the southwest. It is less than 72 km (45 miles) from Italy, across the Strait of Otranto which links the Adriatic Sea to the Ionian Sea.

http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/europe/albania/map_of_albania.jpg

And finally he claims that in Istanbul (Turkey) this "King"/leader will "leave his bloody rod". Possibly he means that there will be an extreme attack on the city of Istanbul, Turkey, and that the leader will stop there for at least awhile if not for good. Perhaps this is where he will station his troops for awhile?

Istanbul, historically Byzantium and later Constantinople, is the largest city of Turkey and the third largest city in Europe, after London and Moscow. The city covers 27 districts of the Istanbul province. It is located on the Bosphorus Strait and encompasses the natural harbor known as the Golden Horn, in the northwest of the country. It extends both on the European (Thrace) and on the Asian (Anatolia) side of the Bosphorus, and is thereby the only metropolis in the world which is situated on two continents. In its long history, Istanbul served as the capital city of the Roman Empire (330–395), the East Roman (Byzantine) Empire (395–1204 and 1261–1453), the Latin Empire (1204–1261), and the Ottoman Empire (1453–1922).

http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/europe/turkey/istanbul/map_of_istanbul.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/Golden_Horn_Panorama_Istanbul.jpg/800px-Golden_Horn_Panorama_Istanbul.jpg

http://www.turkeytravelplanner.com/AssetsTurkey/Maps/istanbul_region.jpg

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"From Fez the Kingdom stretches out across Europe,

The city burns, and sword slices:

The great one of Asia Land and Sea a great army.

That blue, Persia, cross, driven to death."


NOTE:

In this prediction he appears to be describing the size of the Chinese army. He also mentions the "great one of Asia", which most likely represents the leader of China who he seems to claim will rise up against the World. Also it looks like he mentions that they (the Red Chinese Army) will use both the Sea and Land for their warfare.

He also mentions the Kingdom of Fez. The Kingdom of Fez was a state of North Africa. It bordered the Mediterranean Sea to its north, Spain (Melilla) to the northeast, Abdalwadid to the east, Saadi dynasty by Oum Er-Rbia River to the south, Atlantic ocean to the west, and Portugal (Ceuta) to the northwest.

Jeane Dixon claims that the various African nations will join forces with the Arabs and Chinese in World War 3 against Europe. Perhaps this is a reference to those forces.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Maroc1525.PNG

The Kingdom of Fez was formed when Abu Abd Allah al-Sheikh Muhammad ibn Yahya conquered the city of Fes, Morocco from King Shorfa in 1472. So the other possibility could be that he is directly referring to the city of Fes, Morocco. He does go on to claim that the "city burns, and sword slices." Therefore he could literally be describing an attack on the city of Fes, Morocco itself.

Fes or Fez (Arabic: فاس‎ , French: Fès) is the fourth largest city in Morocco, after Casablanca, Rabat and Marrakech with a population of 946,815 (2004 census). It is the capital of the Fès-Boulemane Region.

Fes is one of the four so-called "imperial cities" (the others are Marrakech, Meknes and Rabat). It is separated into three parts, Fes el Bali (the old, walled city), Fes-Jdid (new Fes, home of the Mellah), and the Ville Nouvelle (the French-created, newest section of Fes).

http://www.goway.com/africa/afr_img/maps/morocco_intro_map.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/City_of_Fez.jpg/800px-City_of_Fez.jpg

And lastly he gives us a clue that seems to point to the Arab forces directly when he states, "That blue, Persia,", thereby almost completely confirming the exact three aggressors that Jeane Dixon mentioned so many hundreds of years later.

He also gives us a clue as to what areas will be attacked by the Arabs/Iranians when he writes "cross, driven to death". Clearly this is a reference to an attack on Christianity (Those who worship the cross). So perhaps Nostradamus is hinting here that it will be Christian nations who will be targeted by the Persians (Arabs/Iranians) when he wrote that portion of the quatrain.

The Persian Empire was a series of successive Iranian or Iraniate empires that ruled over the Iranian plateau, the original Persian homeland, and beyond in Western Asia, South Asia, Central Asia and the Caucasus. Most of the successive states in Greater Iran prior to March 1935 are collectively called the Persian Empire by Western historians.

Therefore it is also entirely possible that Nostradamus here is referring directly to the Country of Iran/and or the Iranian forces that are said to join with the Chinese and African nations in the war against Europe (World War 3).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Persia_600ad.jpg/800px-Persia_600ad.jpg

The Chinese, The various African nations, and the various Arab nations. All 3 Jeane Dixon said will be involved in World War 3. And in this quatrain Nostradamus's work seems to back up that statement by making reference to all 3 of them.

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"That which is enclosed in iron and letter in a fish,

Out will go one who will then make war,

He will have his fleet well rowed by sea,

Appearing near Latin land."


NOTE:

This could be again describing the "Oriental" leader's navy. Or possibly the Arab fleet that is supposed to join him. It could also be African soldiers who I am guessing will be riding along on some of the boats provided by countries like China/Iran, ect.

The description of the iron and letter in a "fish" sounds like something brought on board a ship. The "fish" could well be a reference to a modern day submarine.

This particular person who "goes out to make war" Nostradamus claims will have his "fleet well rowed by sea". So obviously this person will be in command of a type of navy.

And lastly, Nostradamus gives us a specific geographical location that we can expect this fleet to come ashore on/make war upon. He states that it will be "near Latin land". So that gives us a pretty good idea of what we can come to expect from this seemingly purely naval attack during World War 3.

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"The troubles of Israel will come to Po;

Tagus, Tiber, Lake of Geneva and

Tuscany."


NOTE:

This appears to be a prediction describing the troubles that Israel is both facing now and will be facing during World War 3. He clearly states that the "troubles of Israel" will spill over into other parts of the World. Therefore being a key factor of World War 3.

The name "Israel" first appears in the Bible as the name given by God to the patriarch Jacob ( Genesis 32:28 ), which can be translated as "God contended". The name already occurs in Eblaite and Ugaritic texts as a common name. Commentators differ on the original literal meaning. The first definition of the promised land (Genesis 15:13-21) calls it "this land". In Genesis 15, this land is promised to Abraham's "descendants", through his son Isaac, while in Deuteronomy 1:8, it is promised explicitly to the Israelites, Abrahams descendants through Jacob. A more detailed definition is given in Numbers 34:1-15 for the land explicitly allocated to nine and half of the Israelite tribes after the exodus. In this passage, the land is called "Land of Canaan". The expression "Land of Israel" is first used in a later book, Samuel 13:19. It is used often in the book of Ezekiel and also by Matthew. More precise geographical borders are given in Exodus 23:31 which describes borders as marked by the Red Sea, the "Sea of the Philistines" i.e the Mediterranean, and the "River," i.e. the Euphrates the traditional furthest extent of the Kingdom of David.

The modern state of Israel has its roots in the Land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael), a concept central to Judaism since ancient times, and the heartland of the ancient Kingdom of Judah to which modern Jews are usually attributed. After World War I, the League of Nations approved the British Mandate of Palestine with the intent of creating a "national home for the Jewish people.

The Land of Israel is the region which, according to the Hebrew Bible, was promised by God to the descendants of Abraham through his son Isaac and to the Israelites, descendants of Jacob, Abraham's grandson. It constitutes the Promised Land and forms part of the Abrahamic, Jacob and Israel covenants. Mainstream Jewish tradition regards the promise as applying to all Jews, including descendants of converts.


Here is a map showing one interpretation of the borders of the Promised Land, based on God's promise to Abraham (Genesis 15):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/61/Greater_Israel_map.jpg/800px-Greater_Israel_map.jpg

Here is another map showing one interpretation of the borders of the Promised Land, based on God's promise to Moses (Numbers 34) and to Ezekiel (Ezekiel 47):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Map_Land_of_Israel.jpg/428px-Map_Land_of_Israel.jpg


The Kingdom of Judah was the nation formed from the territories of the tribes of Judah, Simeon, and Benjamin, and was named after Judah, son of Jacob (Israel). Its capital was Jerusalem. The kingdom maintained a separate existence for three hundred and eighty-nine years. It occupied an area of about 8,900 km2 (3,436 sq mi).


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Levant_830.svg/545px-Levant_830.svg.png

In Nostradamus's day, modern day Israel did not exist, but the ancient "Land of Israel" (the Kingdom of Judah) had, and so this must be what he was referring to when he used the term Israel. Of course, it's possible that he used his ability to gain a sense of what Israel would be like today, so he very well could have been referring to the exact location of our modern day Israel as well. Either way, he mentions Israel as a major factor.

Modern day Israel, officially the State of Israel, is a country in Western Asia located on the eastern edge of the Mediterranean Sea. It borders Lebanon in the north, Syria in the northeast, Jordan in the east, and Egypt on the southwest, and contains geographically diverse features within its relatively small area. The West Bank and Gaza Strip are also adjacent. With a population of about 7.28 million, the majority of whom are Jews, Israel is the world's only Jewish state. It is also home to other ethnic groups, including most numerously Arab citizens of Israel, as well as many religious groups including Muslims, Christians, Druze, Samaritans and others.

Here is a map of the location of modern day Israel:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/LocationIsrael.svg/800px-LocationIsrael.svg.png


The other places listed above are in Spain and Italy. Apparently, Nostradamus is warning here that the troubles of Israel will spread to both Spain and Italy, causing war to erupt in those nations.

Quiero Mota
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"The year, seventh month,

From the sky will come a great King of Terror:

To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols,

Before and after Mars to reign by good luck."



So Genghis Khan's gonna return from the dead?


Originally posted by NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"The Oriental will come out of his Seat,

..........

And shall strike everyone with his rod."



That sounds dirty.

NuclearWinter
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So Genghis Khan's gonna return from the dead?




That sounds dirty.

You know, it's funny you mention the Genghis Kahn thing. I'm not going to pretend that I know 100% what Nostradamus meant by that....but I do believe in reincarnation. And so therefore I have to at least consider the possibility that the "return of the Life of the King of Mongols" could mean the return of the Soul of Genghis Kahn himself into a Human Body. Of course if this were the case and we are talking about World War 3 before 2012 then the process of his soul being reincarnated would have most likely already taken place a long time ago.

I have to at least consider it. Given my belief structure. However my main reason for this thread is to examine the geography of the prophecies themselves rather than putting most of my focus onto the people who could be involved.

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"From Monaco as far as Sicily,

All the sea coast will be left desolate:

There shall be no suburbs, cities, nor towns,

which will not be pillaged and violated by Barbarians."


NOTE:

Here the prediction is obvious. According to Nostradamus, some of the battles of World War 3 will take place along the sea coast of Italy and in parts of Europe. Monaco is a city-state in Western Europe located along the French Riviera between the Mediterranean Sea and France. Sicily is an autonomous region of Italy and the largest island in the Mediterranean Sea.

Map of Monaco:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Europe_location_MCO.png/800px-Europe_location_MCO.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Monaco_City_001.jpg/900px-Monaco_City_001.jpg

Throughout much of its history, Sicily has been considered a crucial strategic location due in large part to its importance for Mediterranean trade routes.

Map of Sicily:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Italy_Regions_Sicily_Map.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Provinces_of_Sicily_map.png/780px-Provinces_of_Sicily_map.png


He also says that there will barely be any towns, cities, or suburbs along this coast that will not be "pillaged and violated by Barbarians." With that statement I personally believe he is making reference to the Chinese/Mongolian army as well as the Arabs that are predicted to invade that part of the World during World War 3.

WrathfulDwarf
Moving to Conspiracy Forum...

jaden101
Some of those predictions were actually made for last century...and obviously never came to pass. I really don't know why people give Nostradamus' prediction any heed because he made predictions for after the time when he predicted the end of the world. Cleary idiotic. Not to mention that the vast majority of his predictions were vague and wishy washy nonsense.



take that for example...you've blatently missed out the year...which was actually for 1999.
I only read some of it but you only need to to see the veracity of it.

China: Isolationism...China is more open to the world now than it ever has been in its thousands of years of history.

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"Frejus, Antibes, the towns around nice,

will be greatly devastated from sea and land.

Locusts with favourable wind by land and sea,

Captured, dead, trussed up, plundered, without law of war."


NOTE:

In this one it appears that he is talking about the same Chinese/Muslim/African army from before, and it seems that he is showing us another set of areas that they will be attacking. Frejus, Antibes, and the towns around nice. All of those cities are in France. So indeed it does appear that France is going to be attacked during World War 3.

Fréjus is a coastal town on the Côte d'Azur and commune in the Var department, in the Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur region of southern France. It neighbours Saint-Raphaël, Var, effectively forming one town. The north of the commune forms part of the Estérel Massif. Its population in 2004 was 50,536.

Map of Frejus area:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/France_jms.png

Antibes is a resort town in the Alpes-Maritimes department in southeastern France, on the Mediterranean Sea in the Côte d'Azur, located between Cannes and Nice.

Antibes is a leisure-industry town affectionately called Antibes-Juan-les-Pins.

Map of Antibes area:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/France_location_map.svg/270px-France_location_map.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Antibesbordmer.JPG/800px-Antibesbordmer.JPG

Nice is a city in southern France located on the Mediterranean coast, between Marseille, France, and Genoa, Italy, with 1,197,751 inhabitants in the 2007 estimate. The city is a major tourist centre and a leading resort on the French Riviera (Côte d'Azur). It is the historical capital city of the County of Nice.

Map of Nice area:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/France_jms.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Harbour_of_Nice_%28FR-06000%29.jpg

It is interesting that most all of those cities are located on the Coastline of Southern France. It would make sense that these areas would be attacked by Sea, first, and then invaded.

We don't need to ask ourselves what the outcome of the attacks will be, because Nostradamus lays it out for us when he states that they, "Will be greatly devastated from Sea and Land".

So bam...there it is. He appears to be describing a massive attack on these cities because he makes a point to say that they will be "greatly" devastated. Not just from the Sea (A Naval attack), but by Land (An invasion).

Then he gives us a hint that seems to point to the fact that these forces who will attack Southern France will not have much weather problems at all to block their way. He states that, "Locusts with favourable wind by land and sea". The "locusts" I would presume to be the attacking forces (The Chinese navy + the Arab fleets as well), and the "favorable wind by land and sea" I would take to mean good/favorable weather conditions.

And lastly he goes on in more detail to explain what will happen to the above 3 cities of France when he states that they will be, "Captured, dead, trussed up, plundered, without law of war". I take this to mean the obvious first, which is that these cities will be "Captured", and thereby showing us the outcome of the battle, which is that these 3 cities will lose their fight and be taken by the attacking forces. Then he says that they will be "Dead" thereby showing us the total devastation that will occur, "Trussed Up" (tightly secured by the attacking forces), and "Plundered "(Looted). So he gives us a very detailed description of the attacks on the cities as well as the aftermath of those attacks.

And finally he states that this will all be done "Without law of war" which I take to mean either an attack that will be by total surprise, or an attack that will be so brutal that it falls outside of the normal boundries/guidelines for war.

jaden101
Which is actually a prediction that most people say refers to WW2

nothing quite like reinterpretting stuff is there.

NuclearWinter
Prove to me that all of those things in that post happened during World War 2 Jaden, and I will at least consider that it was for World War 2. I don't believe you can do that for me, so....until then..I am sticking with World War 3.

You are right about one thing though, because I do interpret things in my own way. As does everyone else.

jaden101
Read "Conversations with Nostrudamus" by Dolores Cannon. Those exact prophecies are mentioned and compared with those events.

NuclearWinter
Originally posted by jaden101
Read "Conversations with Nostrudamus" by Dolores Cannon. Those exact prophecies are mentioned and compared with those events.

I don't need to read another person's interpretations. I have my own. And besides....the quatrains specifically state that "Orientals" and a "King" from the "Orient" will meet with France to declare war.

None of that happened during World War 2. And There was no invasion of France during World War 2. There was attacks on France yes, but the quatrains state that those three cities in France will be "captured" and "plundered" and "trussed" up (secured).

None of that happened during World War 2. So it has to be about World War 3.

NuclearWinter
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
I don't need to read another person's interpretations. I have my own. And besides....the quatrains specifically state that "Orientals" and a "King" from the "Orient" will meet with France to declare war.

None of that happened during World War 2. And There was no invasion of France during World War 2. There was attacks on France yes, but the quatrains state that those three cities in France will be "captured" and "plundered" and "trussed" up (secured).

None of that happened during World War 2. So it has to be about World War 3.

Ok let me correct myself. There was an invasion of France during World War 2, but not by Orientals. It was by German forces. It wasn't Oriental forces. And I was wrong about it not being occupied. Because it was. But again, it wasn't from an "Oriental King". Who according to Nostradamus is supposed to "leave his bloody rod in France". Southern France is supposed to get hit hard. Just like in World War 2 I presume.

But I am wrong occasionally. Nobody's perfect. So I don't mind admitting it when I am. It could turn out that you are right however and that this quatrain was meant for WW2. Time will tell. We only have 3 years left to find out.

jaden101
So i present you with the evidence but you refuse to read it?..

Typical conspiracy theorist.

If you say we only have 3 years left to find out then why were you posting predictions that were made for last century. the famous "King of the Mongols" quote started "the 7th month of the year 1999"

yet you chose to change it and it didn't even make any sense.

""The year, seventh month,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror:
To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols,
Before and after Mars to reign by good luck."

when quatrain 72 was actually

"The year 1999, seventh month,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror.
To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols,
Before and after Mars to reign by good luck."

so why did you miss out the year and say it was for this century?

NuclearWinter
Again my friend, that is your interpretation. I see World War 3 when I read it. Relating to the "Oriental that will come out of his seat". The one who is "King" over the "Mongols".

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"I cry for Nice, Monaco, Pisa, Genoa,

Savona, Sienna, Capua, Modena and Malta,

Which will be bloodied in the fighting

The war and earthquakes and the

revolution will cause unwanted unhappiness."


NOTE:

In this one I believe that Nostradamus again gives us a vision of who will be attacked during World War 3. The cities above are located in France, Italy, and parts of western and southern Europe. He makes a claim that he "cries" for these cities/countries, and that there will be much bloodshed and even Earthquakes. He also mentions that there will be "revolution" as well. Possibly from the citizens of these areas.

Pisa is a city in Tuscany, central Italy, on the right bank of the mouth of the Arno River on the Ligurian Sea. It is the capital city of the Province of Pisa. The city is known worldwide for its famous bell tower.

Map of Central Italy/Pisa area:

http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Italian_Studies/dweb/images/maps/decworld/CItaly.jpg

Genoa is a city and an important seaport in northern Italy, the capital of the Province of Genoa and of the region of Liguria. The city has a population of about 620,000 and the urban area has a population of about 890,000.

Map of Genoa area/Italy:

http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Italian_Studies/dweb/images/maps/decworld/NItaly.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/Via_Brigata_Liguria_Genova_01.jpg/800px-Via_Brigata_Liguria_Genova_01.jpg

Savona is a seaport and comune in the northern Italian region of Liguria, capital of the Province of Savona, in the Riviera di Ponente on the Mediterranean Sea.

Map of Northern Italy/Savona Area:

http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Italian_Studies/dweb/images/maps/decworld/NItaly.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Sann-a.jpg/800px-Sann-a.jpg

Siena is a city in Tuscany, Italy. It is the capital of the province of Siena.

Map of Siena area/Central Italy:

http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Italian_Studies/dweb/images/maps/decworld/CItaly.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/PiazzadelCampoSiena.jpg/800px-PiazzadelCampoSiena.jpg

Capua is a city in the province of Caserta, Campania, Italy situated 25 km (16 mi) north of Naples, on the northeastern edge of the Campanian plain.

Map of Capua area/Italy:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Italy_Regions_Campania_Map.png

Modena is a city and a comune (municipality) on the south side of the Po valley, in the Province of Modena in the Emilia-Romagna region of Italy.

Map of Modena area/Italy:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Modena_posizione.png

Malta is a small and densely populated European microstate, comprising an archipelago of seven islands, making it an island nation. Situated in Southern Europe, 93 km (58 mi) off the coast of Sicily (Italy), it is located in the Mediterranean Sea, giving the country a warm, Mediterranean climate, while a further 288 km (179 mi) to the island's west is Tunisia and about 300 km (186 mi) south is Libya. Valletta is in practice the nation's capital city.

Map of Malta area:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Malta-CIA_WFB_Map.png

Nostradamus claims that all of the above cities/states will be "bloodied in the fighting". So keep an eye out for attacks on all of these cities during World War 3.

jaden101
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Again my friend, that is your interpretation. I see World War 3 when I read it. Relating to the "Oriental that will come out of his seat". The one who is "King" over the "Mongols".


It's not my interpretation of it...that's what he wrote...he specifically wrote the year 1999...every translation of it says so...you missed it out deliberately in order to peddle some bullshit scaremongering theory...there's no point in trying to deny it...You seem to forget that there is other people on here who have read nostradamus besides you.

NuclearWinter
You seem to forget that Orientals did not attack Italy or France during World War 2.

In fact, Italy was on the side of the German/Japanese forces. You got a little carried away there brother. You are trying to corrupt my thread. Let me post if you have nothing constructive to add.

Bicnarok
Why are there two threads on this subject, are they different or the same subject.?

jaden101
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
You seem to forget that Orientals did not attack Italy or France during World War 2.

In fact, Italy was on the side of the German/Japanese forces. You got a little carried away there brother. You are trying to corrupt my thread. Let me post if you have nothing constructive to add.

See ,now not you're getting yourself confused because you're mixing 2 different predictions entirely.

the "king of the mongols" prediction has nothing to do with the prediction about France.

You still haven't addressed my point regarding the "1999" part of the prediction being deliberately left out.

As for the accusation that i'm not being constructive. By that we can take it you mean anyone who pulls you up about lying?

NuclearWinter
It has everything to do with the prediction about France. It specifically states that an "Oriental will come out of his seat to meet with France to declare war". Anyone can figure out that this "King of the Mongols" could easily be a reference to China. No other countries on the planet have as much influence over Mongolia than does China/Russia. And Russia is supposed to join our side to help us defeat China. So that leaves only China/A Chinese figurehead as the "King of the Mongols".

The 1999 part is pure speculation. Nostradamus never used the numbers 1999 in that Quatrain. That's just further interpretation on the parts of others.

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"Pau, Verona, Vicenza, Saragosse,

Foreign swords wet the Land with blood,

Plague will come in a shell,

Though relief is near, the remedy is still far off."


NOTE:

Again it appears that parts of Spain and Italy are slated to be attacked during World War 3. When Nostradamus says, "Plague will come in a shell", perhaps he means like a canister or something. Perhaps he is referring to the "Germ Warfare" that Jeane Dixon spoke about as well.

He says foreign swords (or weapons) will wet the land with blood. I am guessing these will either be the Orientals or the Arabs.


Pau is a comune (municipality) in the Province of Oristano in the Italian region Sardinia, located about 70 km northwest of Cagliari and about 20 km southeast of Oristano. As of 31 December 2004, it had a population of 330 and an area of 14.1 km².


Map of Pau/Italy area:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Oristano_posizione.png


Verona is one of the seven provincial capitals in Veneto, Northern Italy and it has the second largest population in Triveneto (an area formed by the three regions of Veneto, Trentino – Alto Adige and Friuli – Venezia Giulia).

Verona is visited every year by hundreds of thousands of tourists because of its artistic beauties, several annual fairs, shows and operas, such as the lyrical season in the Arena, the ancient amphitheatre built by the Romans.


Map of Verona/Northern Italy area:

http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Italian_Studies/dweb/images/maps/decworld/NItaly.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/51/PIAZZA_ERBE_DA_TORRE_LAMBERTI.JPG/800px-PIAZZA_ERBE_DA_TORRE_LAMBERTI.JPG


Vicenza, a city in northern Italy, is the capital of the eponymous province in the Veneto region, at the northern base of the Monte Berico, straddling the Bacchiglione. Vicenza is approximately 60 km west of Venice and 200 km east of Milan. As of 2007, Vicenza had an estimated population of 119,038. Vicenza is the third largest Italian industrial city by export.

Map of Vicenza/Italy area:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Vicenza_posizione.png


Zaragoza, also called Saragossa in English, is the capital city of the Zaragoza province and of the autonomous community and former Kingdom of Aragon, Spain. It is situated on the river Ebro and its tributaries, the Huerva and Gállego, near the centre of the region, in a valley with a variety of landscapes, ranging from desert (Los Monegros) to thick forest, meadows and mountains.

The population of the city of Zaragoza in 2008 was 682,283, ranking fifth in Spain. The population of the metropolitan area was estimated in 2006 at 783,763 inhabitants. The municipality is home to more than 50 percent of the Aragonese population. The city lies at an altitude of 199 metres above sea level, and constitutes a crossroads between Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia, Bilbao and Toulouse (France) — all of which are located about 300 kilometres (200 miles) from Zaragoza.

Map of Sargossa/Spain Area:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Zaragoza_location.PNG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/0849_pilar_ebro_2004.png/800px-0849_pilar_ebro_2004.png


All of the above areas it appears that Nostradamus states will be attacked during World War 3. He states that "Foreign swords wet the Land with blood" thereby showing us that the attacks will indeed come from foreign countries.

He also states that these cities/areas will be inflicted with a "Plague" that will "come in a shell". I take this to mean a canister/container that will carry some type of biological agent. And so therefore it does appear that the areas of Pau, Verona, Vicenza, and Saragosse could soon suffer a biological/germ warfare type of attack.

Possibly the worst part of the "Plague" prediction is that he also states that "Though relief is near, the remedy is still far off". Thereby showing us that there may be immediate relief from the attack, but that the cure for it's agent/disease may not be available/discovered for a long period of time.

jaden101
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
It has everything to do with the prediction about France. It specifically states that an "Oriental will come out of his seat to meet with France to declare war". Anyone can figure out that this "King of the Mongols" could easily be a reference to China. No other countries on the planet have as much influence over Mongolia than does China/Russia. And Russia is supposed to join our side to help us defeat China. So that leaves only China/A Chinese figurehead as the "King of the Mongols".

The 1999 part is pure speculation. Nostradamus never used the numbers 1999 in that Quatrain. That's just further interpretation on the parts of others.

Why are you bringing in yet another entirely different prediction?...you do realise that they didn't reference the same thing and that all his predictions are entirely seperate.

Why are you saying that it doesn't refer to WW2 anyway?...France was at war with Japan in WW2. I also suggest you look up the France Indochina wars which lasted, on and off, for some 30 years.

And no...the 1999 part is not speculation. That prediction is actually one of the very few he provided a specific date for and you're missing it out for your own ends.

NuclearWinter
Originally posted by jaden101
Why are you bringing in yet another entirely different prediction?...you do realise that they didn't reference the same thing and that all his predictions are entirely seperate.

Why are you saying that it doesn't refer to WW2 anyway?...France was at war with Japan in WW2. I also suggest you look up the France Indochina wars which lasted, on and off, for some 30 years.

And no...the 1999 part is not speculation. That prediction is actually one of the very few he provided a specific date for and you're missing it out for your own ends.

Right the France Indo/China wars did not involve such a widespread area. And they were not part of our current century/last century. Plus, from what I just studied about it, No major areas in the country France were invaded by the Japanese during that war. A land invasion I mean. Areas around France were..but not areas in actual France. Apparently, only the Germans were successful with a land invasion of France during World War 2. Which I again I had forgotten/overlooked before.

Prophets are usually off on their timing. So even if he did say 1999 (which he didn't) I wouldn't bet the farm on the date. But I would take the prediction very seriously. And as far as I know, they haven't happened yet.

All of the predictions here are listed within the same timeframe, therefore having everything to do with eachother. Last century/This century. They are closely tied in with eachother. And all of them (when put together) paint an important picture of what World War 3 just might look like.

So I say, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. We need to use each piece to create the whole puzzle.

jaden101
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Right the France Indo/China wars did not involve such a widespread area. And they were not part of our current century/last century.

Prophets are usually off on their timing. So even if he did say 1999 (which he didn't) I wouldn't bet the farm on the date. But I would take the prediction very seriously. And as far as I know, they haven't happened yet.

All of the predictions here are listed within the same timeframe, therefore having everything to do with eachother. Last century/This century. They are closely tied in with eachother. And all of them (when put together) paint an important picture of what World War 3 just might look like.

So I say, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. We need to use each piece to create the whole puzzle.

actually they were 1947-1973 making them last century.

Yes he did say 1999

here's the original French text

http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/1999.htm

NuclearWinter
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Right the France Indo/China wars did not involve such a widespread area. And they were not part of our current century/last century. Plus, from what I just studied about it, No major areas in the country France were invaded by the Japanese during that war. A land invasion I mean. Areas around France were..but not areas in actual France. Apparently, only the Germans were successful with a land invasion of France during World War 2. Which I again I had forgotten/overlooked before.

Prophets are usually off on their timing. So even if he did say 1999 (which he didn't) I wouldn't bet the farm on the date. But I would take the prediction very seriously. And as far as I know, they haven't happened yet.

All of the predictions here are listed within the same timeframe, therefore having everything to do with eachother. Last century/This century. They are closely tied in with eachother. And all of them (when put together) paint an important picture of what World War 3 just might look like.

So I say, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. We need to use each piece to create the whole puzzle.

Right well, then the prediction was clearly on the money. Because in 1999 China did start to rise to prominence more rapidly than before. Thanks to Bill Clinton and others. So yes, it could have been for that. Or it's possible that the date was off, and that it has yet to happen.

NuclearWinter
You also have to take into account the fact that the prediction of 1999 is so close to this century (2008) that we must consider the possibility of the event that he was describing effecting us still to this day. Or having corresponding consequences for us and our immediate future.

Therefore in my opinion it is still valid and should continue to be monitored closely.

jaden101
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Right well, then the prediction was clearly on the money. Because in 1999 China did start to rise to prominence more rapidly than before. Thanks to Bill Clinton and others. So yes, it could have been for that. Or it's possible that the date was off, and that it has yet to happen.

So how exactly did China start to rise to prominence more in 1999 than any other year?...That's right...they didn't...you're simply trying to make stuff up to fit now that you've been shown to be wrong. I'm actually embarrassed for you.



You do realise it was a doomsday prediction

It's actually getting quite comical to watch you dance from one misinterpretation to another. Why can't you just admit that the prediction isn't for this century and be done with it? It wasn't for "2000-2100". That's the simple fact of the matter and it throws massive doubt over anything else you have to say.

NuclearWinter
You really are a nutball aren't you.

I will not throw the prophecy away and pretend like it doesn't have significant implications for our current day.

It is also possible that the prediction hasn't even happened yet. I have never claimed that Nostradamus was perfect in his timing of events. You seem to believe that he was. Which is why you are defending the year of 1999, as if to tell everyone that you believe 100% in Nostradamus's ability to predict an event to the exact day, and that not only has the prediction come true, but it has already passed.

I on the other hand, always leave room for error, which is why I believe that it's possible that the prediction has not occurred yet, and that it could be occuring either as we speak, or will occur sometime soon, since Nostradamus was extremely accurate about events and not necessarily able to declare the exact day and time they would take place.

You are also obviously misinformed about what Bill Clinton did for China during the last few years he was in office. Talk to Mr. Parker about that one. I am sure he will fill you in on it.

PS - You shouldn't rely on other people's interpretations for your own interpretations. Learn to interpret things for yourself and you may end up finding many different conclusions.

jaden101
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
You really are a nutball aren't you.

I will not throw the prophecy away and pretend like it doesn't have significant implications for our current day.

It is also possible that the prediction hasn't even happened yet. I have never claimed that Nostradamus was perfect in his timing of events. You seem to believe that he was. Which is why you are defending the year of 1999, as if to tell everyone that you believe 100% in Nostradamus's ability to predict an event to the exact day, and that not only has the prediction come true, but it has already passed.

I on the other hand, always leave room for error, which is why I believe that it's possible that the prediction has not occurred yet, and that it could be occuring either as we speak, or will occur sometime soon, since Nostradamus was extremely accurate about events and not necessarily able to declare the exact day and time they would take place.

You are also obviously misinformed about what Bill Clinton did for China during the last few years he was in office. Talk to Mr. Parker about that one. I am sure he will fill you in on it.

PS - You shouldn't rely on other people's interpretations for your own interpretations. Learn to interpret things for yourself and you may end up finding many different conclusions.

I'd rather take the word of scholars who know what they're talking about than idiots like you. You blatently denied that "1999" was even in the original prediction. I proved you wrong. You knew it was and you decided to leave it out deliberately to try and peddle your own, ironically "nutjob" theories. You're a liar pure a simple.

You leave roon for error...well here's the error in your predictions...YOU'RE WRONG.

I'm the one who's misinformed?...You're the one who didn't think the France Indochina wars were in the last century. Proving again that you're trying to peddle theories when you don't even know the history or context of what you're talking about.

As for what Clinton did for China in 1999...well he visited in 1998 and he signed a permanent trade bill in 2000...the US/China relations act was also 2000...All of this stemmed from years of negotiations...so...tell me...what was so special about 1999...I'm asking you seeing as you're making a claim that 1999 was somehow a special year that would justify making into one of Nostradamus' predictions...what in 1999 would be considered the "Great king of terror"?

In fact reading through some of your choicest quotes of the thread which are utterly ridiculous




No...It's not...It's in the north yes (as is some 85% of the worlds population) but it's far east...not west.




So will you come back to this thread at the end of December 2012 and admit that you're a completely idiotic tool who believes anything and knows nothing?

NuclearWinter
lol. You wish Jackass.

I stand behind these prophecies 100%.

And I'll be back later to post even more of them. They all paint the picture i'm presentin here. Do ya read me? Or do I have to explain every detail to you like I have already done practicly every time in this thread. Cuz you can't seem to think for yourself and you have no fresh thoughts to offer.

Your mind is so polluted, that you can't even imagine the fact that all of these prophecies might just be related to eachother and have to do with the same ****ing attack sequences during the same ****ing war.

But no. You automatically assume that they could in no way shape or form be connected.

Magee
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
lol. You wish Jackass.

I stand behind these prophecies 100%.

And I'll be back later to post even more of them. They all paint the picture i'm presentin here. Do ya read me? Or do I have to explain every detail to you like I have already done practicly every time in this thread. Cuz you can't seem to think for yourself and you have no fresh thoughts to offer.

Your mind is so polluted, that you can't even imagine the fact that all of these prophecies might just be related to eachother and have to do with the same ****ing attack sequences during the same ****ing war.

But no. You automatically assume that they could in no way shape or form be connected.

http://www.nqcc.org/nqccweb/htdocs/Training%20pg%20crying1.jpg

jaden101
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
lol. You wish Jackass.

I stand behind these prophecies 100%.

And I'll be back later to post even more of them. They all paint the picture i'm presentin here. Do ya read me? Or do I have to explain every detail to you like I have already done practicly every time in this thread. Cuz you can't seem to think for yourself and you have no fresh thoughts to offer.

Your mind is so polluted, that you can't even imagine the fact that all of these prophecies might just be related to eachother and have to do with the same ****ing attack sequences during the same ****ing war.

But no. You automatically assume that they could in no way shape or form be connected.

I notice you don't actually address any of my points. Interesting.

You have no way of explaining that you're trying to say a prediction is for the future when it's factually already passed (8 and a half years ago).

It's funny though, that you're now trying to pass yourself of as a prophet by using Nostrudamus and saying that you're not merely using other people's interpretations of him but making your own...When you're actually using other people's translations of his prophecies...The hypocrisy in that is staggering beyond belief when you consider you're accusing me of using other people's translations and interpretations.

Are you still going to stand by these "prophecies" when nothing happens by 2012?...Or are you going to say "well Nostradamus doesn't give exact dates so it might still be to come"?

One of the biggest ironies of your postings here is that you don't seem to have any clue what you're talking about. You've already mentioned China in regards to isolationism...when i pointed out that China are more integrated into the world now than they have ever been you start harping on about Clinton and China in 1999 as being related to one of Nostradamus' predictions...completely ignoring the fact that it was Clinton who helped make China LESS isolationist which completely goes against what you said would be the root of the problem regarding China in the 1st place.

When i question you about specifics the best you could come up with was

Clinton had something to do with China in 1999...and that's what Nostradamus meant...even though you plainly have no clue what relations Clinton had with China before, during or after 1999 or how that related to your original post.

In other words...one of your posts completely contradicts another...you can't even be consistent....how is anyone supposed to take you seriously?

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"The time will be filthy, pestilent and violent,

A terrible Moslem attack and invasion.

Great disasters are made in April

And great persons will be ridiculed,"


NOTE:

Here it looks like Nostradamus is describing an attack from the Arab and African Muslims during World War 3 which will be "terrible" in his own words. This must mean pretty major. He also makes a point to state that there will be an "invasion". I'm guessing this will be on land. Then he goes on to say that "Great disasters are made in April". This could mean either natural or man made disasters. But the important month to watch out for would be April.

He also goes on to say that "great persons" will be "ridiculed". I take this to mean high level officials or high members of organizations such as heads of churches/states being ridiculed/criticized by these very same Muslim groups/sects.

It has been said by Jeane Dixon that the certain African nations/Arab nations will join the side of the Chinese during World War 3. Here it would appear that Nostradamus confirms that when he states that "Moslems" will definately play a role in it. I am guessing this refers to both Arab Muslims as well as African Muslims who will side with the Chinese.

It's interesting to note that Nostradamus uses the term "Moslem" instead of Muslim. Both words basicly mean the same thing. When Baby Boomers were children it was Moslem. The American Heritage Dictionary (1992) noted, "Moslem is the form predominantly preferred in journalism and popular usage. Muslim is preferred by scholars and by English-speaking adherents of Islam." No more. Now, almost everybody uses Muslim.

According to the Center for Nonproliferation Studies, "Moslem and Muslim are basically two different spellings for the same word."

Nostradamus also begins the quatrain by stating that during the time of these attacks, it will be filthy (dirty), pestilent (producing or tending to produce infectious or contagious, often epidemic, disease), and violent (marked by extreme force or sudden intense activity).

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"The cruel sect of the Moslems will come,

Hiding weapons under their robes.

Their leader will take Florence and burn it twice,

Sending ahead clever men without laws."


NOTE:

Alright now this part is important, because the Iranians, and other Arabs are supposed to join forces with the Chinese army during World War 3. According to various predictions from various sources anyways. So...this is what it appears to be. It is a prediction about a "cruel sect" of the Moslem religion that will come to Florence, Italy, and who will have weapons hidden under their robes. What kind of weapons? Who knows. Only time will tell. But Nostradamus makes it very clear that they will "take" the city of Florence, and "burn it twice". So obviously, this must be some kind of attack from the Muslim Arabs/Africans that will have already joined in on the side of the Chinese during World War 3. And he gives the exact location of the attack. Florence, Italy. You don't get a much more precise prediction than that.

He also states that "clever men" will be sent in "without laws". The worst kind of people shall we say. Those who are extremely smart but who have no morals.

Florence is the capital city of the Italian region of Tuscany, and of the province of Florence. It is the most populous city in Tuscany and has a population of 364,779 (696,767 in the urban area). The city lies on the Arno River and is known for its history and its importance in the Middle Ages and in the Renaissance, especially for its art and architecture. A centre of medieval European trade and finance, the city is often considered the birthplace of the Italian Renaissance; in fact, it has been called the Athens of the Middle Ages. It was long under the de facto rule of the Medici family. From 1865 to 1870 the city was also the capital of the Kingdom of Italy. The historic centre of Florence continues to attract millions of tourists each year.

Map of Florence/Italy area:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Firenze_posizione.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Florence_skyline.jpg/800px-Florence_skyline.jpg

jaden101
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"The time will be filthy, pestilent and violent,

A terrible Moslem attack and invasion.

Great disasters are made in April

And great persons will be ridiculed,"


NOTE:

Here it looks like Nostradamus is describing an attack from the Arab and African Muslims during World War 3 which will be "terrible" in his own words. This must mean pretty major. He also makes a point to state that there will be an "invasion". I'm guessing this will be on land. Then he goes on to say that "Great disasters are made in April". This could mean either natural or man made disasters. But the important month to watch out for would be April.

He also goes on to say that "great persons" will be "ridiculed". I take this to mean high level officials or high members of organizations such as heads of churches/states being ridiculed/criticized by these very same Muslim groups/sects.

It has been said by Jeane Dixon that the certain African nations/Arab nations will join the side of the Chinese during World War 3. Here it would appear that Nostradamus confirms that when he states that "Moslems" will definately play a role in it. I am guessing this refers to both Arab Muslims as well as African Muslims who will side with the Chinese.

It's interesting to note that Nostradamus uses the term "Moslem" instead of Muslim. Both words basicly mean the same thing. When Baby Boomers were children it was Moslem. The American Heritage Dictionary (1992) noted, "Moslem is the form predominantly preferred in journalism and popular usage. Muslim is preferred by scholars and by English-speaking adherents of Islam." No more. Now, almost everybody uses Muslim.

According to the Center for Nonproliferation Studies, "Moslem and Muslim are basically two different spellings for the same word."

Nostradamus also begins the quatrain by stating that during the time of these attacks, it will be filthy (dirty), pestilent (producing or tending to produce infectious or contagious, often epidemic, disease), and violent (marked by extreme force or sudden intense activity).

Leaving out the Muslim part that one is highly like the Rwanda massacre which happened in April 1994 which started with the assassination of the president. The ridicule part could mean the massive criticism that the UN got in the wake of it. Particularly the "acts of genocide" press conference. (see the films "hotel rwanda","sometimes in april" and "shooting dogs"wink

NuclearWinter
Originally posted by jaden101
Leaving out the Muslim part that one is highly like the Rwanda massacre which happened in April 1994 which started with the assassination of the president. The ridicule part could mean the massive criticism that the UN got in the wake of it. Particularly the "acts of genocide" press conference. (see the films "hotel rwanda","sometimes in april" and "shooting dogs"wink

Well I'll be a monkeys uncle. Looks like you took a bold step forward and came up with your own interpretation. Proud of you kid.

I think it's way off, but at least it's your own. And I respect that.

jaden101
Hindsight's a beautiful thing. Making stuff up and blatently lying aren't.

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"Very near the Tiber death threatens,

Shortly after the great flood.

The head of the church

will be taken prisoner and cast out,

the castle and the Palace in flames."


NOTE:

This one appears to be an event/battle that will take place during World War 3 just after a flood that will occur possibly due to an overflow of the Tiber river in Italy. Then Nostradamus talks about "the head of the church" being taken prisoner. Could this be the Pope? Or a high official of the Catholic Church? Only time will tell.

Whoever it is, Nostradamus says that he will be "taken prisoner" and then "cast out". Perhaps that could mean two things. That he will either be taken prisoner and then released somewhere outside of the country, or....that he will be taken prisoner, and then killed.

I'm assuming this prediction falls into place with the above 2 predictions related to the "Moslem" invasion of Italy. Clearly there is currently much hatred towards Christianity from the extremist Muslims of the World, and....Nostradamus says that it will be these extremists who will attack parts of Europe including Italy. So one could easily conclude that he is giving us a picture of some kind of another successful attack from the "Cruel Sect" of the Muslims against a high leader of a/the church in Italy. We know he will be a high official because Nostradamus stated that he will be the "head" of the church.

Nostradamus also goes on to say that the "castle" and "palace" will be in flames. Castle and Palace? This could be a description of Vatican City, Rome. But clearly it shows that these two structures/buildings wherever they may be will be lit ablaze by the attackers.

The Tiber is the third-longest river in Italy, rising in the Apennine mountains in Emilia-Romagna and flowing 406 kilometres through Umbria and Lazio to the Tyrrhenian Sea. It drains a basin estimated at 18,000 km². The river has achieved lasting fame as the main watercourse of the city of Rome, founded on its eastern banks.

Here is yet another clue that it may be the city of Rome, Italy (the home of the Pope) that will be under attack during this time. The clue is the Tiber river, because the river is so close to the city, and is also the main watercourse for it and it's inhabitants.

A map of the location of the Tiber River in Italy:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Tiber.PNG

A view of the Tiber looking towards the Vatican City:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Tiber_vatican.jpg

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"France will be attacked on five sides

because of her negligence,

Tunisia and Algeria will be incited

against by the (Iranians).

Leon, Seville and Barcelona will give way

And will not be saved by Italy's army."


NOTE:

This prediction seems to represent many different attacks that will take place during World War 3. The first obvious one appears to be against France. Nostradamus states that "France will be attacked on five sides". That sounds like one hell of a strike if you ask me.

Then he gives us a clue as to who will be the perpetrators (those responsible for the attacks). He hints that the countries of Tunisia and Algeria will both be brought into the conflict and will join the side of the Arabian (Iranian) army during World War 3. Nostradamus makes it appear that Tunisia and Algeria will join the side of the Arab army when he states that they will be "Incited" (to urge to action; stir up; rouse) "against" (in opposition or hostility to) the above 4 places including France, Leon, Seville and Barcelona .

So what this prediction appears to be is a prediction that three countries, Iran, Tunisia and Algeria, will attack the areas of France, Leon, Seville and Barcelona. These are some of the different countries that Nostradamus says will be involved in the fighting.

Leon, Seville and Barcelona are 3 cities located in Spain. So here we see that Spain is going to be attacked as well as France. And on the very last line he states that these 3 cities in Spain "will not be saved by Italy's army." Which must mean that Italy will also be involved in the battle and will attempt to rescue Spain from the attacks, but will fail in its attempt to do so.

What I find extremely interesting is that both of the countries of Tunisia and Algeria are located in North Africa. Jeane Dixon predicted that one day soon certain African nations will join sides with the Arabian and the Chinese armies and take up arms against much of Europe. Here it would look as though Nostradamus so many centuries before her is confirming the very same prophecy.

Tunisia is a country located in North Africa. It is bordered by Algeria to the west and Libya to the southeast. It is the northernmost country on the African continent, and the smallest of the nations situated along the Atlas mountain range. Around forty percent of the country is composed of the Sahara desert, with much of the remainder consisting of particularly fertile soil and a 1300 km coastline. Both played a prominent role in ancient times, first with the famous Phoenician city of Carthage, then as the Africa Province which became known as the bread basket of the Roman Empire, and then as the Maghreb region of various medieval Islamic states. Tunisia ranks high among Arab and African nations in reports released by The World Economic Forum. In the 2008-2009 version, it is first in Africa and 36th globally for economic competitiveness, well ahead of Portugal, Italy and Greece. It currently lies at the penultimate stage of development: efficiency-driven economies.

The religion in Tunisia is 98% Islam.

Map of the location of Tunisia:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Location_Tunisia.png

Algeria is a country located in North Africa. It is the largest country of the Mediterranean sea, the second largest on the African continent, and the eleventh-largest country in the world in terms of land area. It is bordered by Tunisia in the northeast, Libya in the east, Niger in the southeast, Mali and Mauritania in the southwest, a few kilometers of the Western Sahara in the west, Morocco in the northwest, and the Mediterranean Sea in the north. Its size is almost 2,400,000 km² with an estimated population near to 35,000,000. The capital is Algiers.

The religion in Algeria is 99% Islam.

Map of the location of Algeria:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/LocationAlgeria.svg/250px-LocationAlgeria.svg.png

Iran formerly known internationally as Persia until 1935, is a country in Central Eurasia, located on the northeastern shore of the Persian Gulf. Since 1949, both the names "Persia" and "Iran" are used, however, Iran is used for an official and political context. The name Iran is a cognate of Aryan, and means "Land of the Aryans". The 18th largest country in the world in terms of area at 1,648,195 km², Iran has a population of over seventy million. It is a country of special geostrategic significance due to its central location in Eurasia. Iran is bordered on the north by Armenia, Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan. As Iran is a littoral state of the Caspian Sea, which is an inland sea and condominium, Kazakhstan and Russia are also Iran's direct neighbors to the north. Iran is bordered on the east by Afghanistan and Pakistan, on the south by the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman, and on the west by Turkey and Iraq. Tehran is the capital, the country's largest city and the political, cultural, commercial, and industrial center of the nation. Iran is a regional power and occupies an important position in international energy security and world economy as a result of its large reserves of petroleum and natural gas. Iran is home to one of the world's oldest continuous major civilizations, with historical and urban settlements dating back to 4000 BC.

Map of the location of Iran:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/LocationIran.png

Tunisia, Algeria, and Iran. All of which according to Nostradmus will launch attacks against the following 4 areas during World War 3:

1. France

France is a country whose metropolitan territory is located in Western Europe and that also comprises various overseas islands and territories located in other continents. Metropolitan France extends from the Mediterranean Sea to the English Channel and the North Sea, and from the Rhine to the Atlantic Ocean. It is often referred to as L’Hexagone (The “Hexagon”) because of the geometric shape of its territory. France is a unitary semi-presidential republic with its main ideals expressed in the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen. Metropolitan France is bordered (in clockwise direction from the north) by Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Monaco, Andorra, and Spain. France's overseas departments and collectivities also share land borders with Brazil and Suriname (bordering French Guiana), and the Netherlands Antilles (bordering Saint-Martin). France is linked to the United Kingdom by the Channel Tunnel, which passes underneath the English Channel. France is the largest country in the European Union and the second largest in Europe, France has been one of the world's foremost powers for many centuries. During the 17th and 18th centuries, France colonized much of North America; during the 19th and early 20th centuries, France built one of the largest colonial empires of the time, including large portions of North, West and Central Africa, Southeast Asia, and many Pacific islands. France is a developed country, possessing the sixth (nominal GDP) or eighth (PPP) largest economy in the world. It is the most visited country in the world, receiving 82 million foreign tourists annually. France is one of the founding members of the European Union, and has the largest land area of all members.

Map of the location of France:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Location_France_EU_Europe.png/250px-Location_France_EU_Europe.png

2. Leon, Spain

The city of León is the capital of León province in the autonomous community of Castile and León, in northwest Spain. Its population of 136,985 (2006) makes it the largest municipality in the province, accounting for over one quarter of the province's population. Its urban area population is calculated at 204,212 (2006).

Map of the location of Leon, Spain:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Leon%2C_Spain_location.png

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1419/749901593_0e030ce1ce.jpg

NuclearWinter
3. Seville, Spain

Seville is the artistic, cultural, and financial capital of southern Spain. It is the capital of Andalusia and of the province of Seville. It is situated on the plain of the River Guadalquivir, with an average elevation of 7 metres (23 ft) above sea level. The inhabitants of the city are known as Sevillanos. The population of the city of Seville was 699,145 as of 2007 (INE estimate). The population of the metropolitan area (urban area plus satellite towns) was 1,450,214 as of 2007 (INE estimate), ranking as the fourth largest metropolitan area of Spain.

Map of the location of Seville, Spain:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/ES_Sevilla%2C_location_map_.png/250px-ES_Sevilla%2C_location_map_.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Cathedral_and_Archivo_de_Indias_-_Seville.jpg/800px-Cathedral_and_Archivo_de_Indias_-_Seville.jpg

4. Barcelona, Spain

Barcelona is the capital and most populous city of the Autonomous Community of Catalonia and the second largest city in Spain, with a population of 1,615,908 in 2008, while the population of the Metropolitan Area was 3,161,081. It is the central nucleus of the Urban Region of Barcelona, which relies on a population of about 5.5 million. It is located on the Mediterranean coast between the mouths of the rivers Llobregat and Besòs and is limited to the west by the Serra de Collserola ridge (512 m/1,680 ft). Barcelona is a major economic centre with one of Europe's principal Mediterranean ports, and Barcelona International Airport is the second largest in Spain after Madrid-Barajas Airport.

Map of the location of Barcelona, Spain:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Localitzaci%C3%B3_de_Barcelona.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/BCN01.JPG/800px-BCN01.JPG

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"From the East will come a dreadful act

Which will strike at the Adriatic sea

and the heirs of Romulus

With the (libyan) fleet,

Fear and tremble the inhabitants of

Malta and its archipeligo."


NOTE:

This one appears to be about a major type of attack (possibly a nuclear strike) during World War 3 that will originate from the east of the Adriatic Sea and from what Nostradamus says it looks like it will strike the Adriatic Sea itself. The Adriatic Sea is a body of water separating the Apennine peninsula from the Balkan peninsula, and the system of the Apennine Mountains from that of the Dinaric Alps and adjacent ranges. The Adriatic Sea is a part of the Mediterranean Sea.

He also states that this same attack will strike at the "Heirs of Romulus". Romulus is supposably one of the names of the two twins that founded the city of Rome. According to Roman tradition, the city was founded by the twins Romulus and Remus on April 21, 753 BC. So therefore we have a clue given to us that the city of Rome may also suffer damage from this "dreadful act" which according to Nostradamus will strike at it.

The name Romulus could also apply to Romulus Augustus, who was the last Western Roman Emperor reigning from 31 October 475 to 4 September 476. His deposition in 476 is used to mark the end of the Western Roman Empire, the fall of ancient Rome, and the beginning of the Middle Ages in Europe. So here we have yet another clue that Nostradamus was referring to an attack on the city of Rome.

The word "Heirs" means people who inherit or are entitled to inherit property. Nostradamus says that the attack will be on the "heirs of Romulus" or what I take to mean those people that have inherited the city of Rome and are living in it today. So again, here is another clue that Rome will be the target of the strike.

Also in this prediction Nostradamus gives a clue as to where the attack might come from. Possibly from the Arabian fleet. This would make sense because the Muslim/Islamic Extremists of the World would love to be able to destroy the city of Rome due to its historical importance to Christianity and Christians. Rome has a significant place in the story of Christianity up to the present day, for it endures as the home of the papacy. The worldwide Roman Catholic Church is administered from the Vatican City, run by the Holy See as an independent enclave and the world's smallest sovereign state.

So therefore we should keep a watchful eye out for the city of Rome, Italy to be attacked during World War 3 and that will result in a "dreadful act" being committed according to Nostradamus which could very well be the result of a nuclear bomb or device.

Nostradamus also states that this attack on Rome will cause "Fear" and that people will "tremble" because of it even as far away as in "Malta" (A country of Southern Europe) "and its archipeligo" (Its surrounding Islands). Malta lies south of Sicily, east of Tunisia, and north of Libya. So basicly it looks as though he is saying that the attack on Rome will cause the "inhabitants" or people of Malta to cower in fear and tremble. This gives us a clue as to just how big the scope of the attack will really be.

The Adriatic Sea is a body of water separating the Italian Peninsula from the Balkan peninsula, and the system of the Apennine Mountains from that of the Dinaric Alps and adjacent ranges. The Adriatic Sea is a part of the Mediterranean Sea. The western coast is Italian, while the eastern coast runs mostly along Croatia, Montenegro and Albania but lesser parts belong to Slovenia and Bosnia and Herzegovina (26 km). Major rivers joining the Adriatic are the Reno, Po, Adige, Brenta, Piave, Soèa/Isonzo, Zrmanja, Krka, Cetina, Neretva, Drin (Drini).

A map of the location of the Adriatic sea:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Adriatic_Sea_map.png/441px-Adriatic_Sea_map.png

Rome is the capital city of Italy and Lazio and is Italy's largest and most populous city, with 2,705,317 residents, an urban area of 3,457,690, as well as a metropolitan area of 4,013,057 inhabitants spread over a 5,352 km² area. It is located in the central-western portion of the Italian peninsula, on the Tiber river. Rome's history as a city spans over two and a half thousand years, as one of the founding cities of Western Civilization.

A map of the location of the city of Rome, Italy:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Italyrome.png/250px-Italyrome.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Rome_panorama_sb1.jpg/800px-Rome_panorama_sb1.jpg

Malta is a small and densely populated European microstate comprising an archipelago of seven islands, making it an island nation. Situated in Southern Europe, 93 km (58 mi) off the coast of Sicily (Italy), it is located in the Mediterranean Sea, giving the country a warm, Mediterranean climate, while a further 288 km (179 mi) to the island's west is Tunisia and about 300 km (186 mi) south is Libya. Valletta is in practice the nation's capital city. Throughout much of its history, Malta has been considered a crucial strategic location due in large part its position in the Mediterranean Sea.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Malta-CIA_WFB_Map.png

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"A missile is seen in the night sky

Near the source of the Rhone.

Famine and war will come, and help

will be too late.

When (Iran) mobilizes to invade Macedonia."


NOTE:

In this prediction Nostradamus describes a missile flying through the air in the night sky during World War 3, and near the source of the "Rhone" or what I would take to be the Rhone River (a major river in Europe). He then states that "Famine and war will come (perhaps as a result of the missile strike)", but that "help will be too late." And he also gives us a clue as to when this event will occur, because he states that at this exact time the Arab army will be preparing to "invade Macedonia" (a geographical and historical region of the Balkan peninsula in southeastern Europe).

The Medieval Macedonia, the one Nostradamus would have been familiar with, was much different than the Macedonia of today. Therefore I believe he was referring to the Macedonia region during the Medieval ages, which spanned a much wider area and contained more land within its borders.

As far as the "Missile" that Nostradamus claims will be seen flying through the air "in the night sky" (at night) near the source of the Rhone river, I have a theory at the moment that this might very well relate to the same "dreadful act" that Nostradamus mentioned in the prophecy before this one. The one relating to the attack on the city of Rome, Italy. The reason I believe this to be the case, is because Nostradamus states that the missile will be seen near the "source of the Rhone". This gives us a clue as to where the missile might strike, because the main source of the Rhone river is actually the large glaciers of the massifs of Monte Rosa, Dom, and Grand Combin. The Monte Rosa Massif located in the eastern part of the Pennine Alps. It is located between Switzerland (Valais) and Italy (Piedmont and Aosta Valley).

Piedmont is one of the 20 Regions of Italy. It has an area of 25,399 km² and a population of about 4.4 million. The capital is Turin, the local dialect is Piedmontese and Occitan is also spoken although it is not an official language and it could be considered like a dialect, spoken by a minority in the so called Occitan Valleys. The name is a contraction of the Italian "Ai piedi del monte", meaning "At the base of the mountain".

The Aosta Valley is a mountainous autonomous region in north-western Italy. It is bordered by France to the west, Switzerland to the north and the region of Piedmont to the south and east. With an area of 3,263 km² and a population of about 120,000, it is the smallest, least populous, and least densely populated region of Italy. It is the only Italian region which has no provinces (the province of Valle d'Aosta was dissolved in 1945).

So it is entirely possible that those living within the regions of Piedmont and the Aosta Valley of Italy will be able to see the "missile" flying through the night sky toward the city of Rome, Italy.

After the missile strikes, Nostradamus states that "famine and war" will come. This could be a description of the aftermath of a Nuclear or biological strike on Italy. "Help will be too late" would make sense because the strike would be so quick that there may not be anything that could be done to prevent it.

And of course, as mentioned before, all while this is taking place, the Arab army will be preparing to "invade" the areas of what used to be Medieval Macedonia.

The Rhone, or the Rhône is one of the major rivers of Europe, running through Switzerland and France. Near its mouth, the river divides into two branches, known as the Grand Rhône and the Petit Rhône.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Rhone_drainage_basin.png/427px-Rhone_drainage_basin.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Leman_img_0573.jpg/256px-Leman_img_0573.jpg

A map of the areas of Medieval Macedonia (Where the Arab army is supposed to invade):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/05/Macodnian_Sklavinia.png

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"The sky will burn at forty-five degrees,

Fire approaches the great new city,

On the instant a great scattered flame leaps up,

When they will want proof of the Normans."


NOTE:

In this prediction it almost looks as if Nostradamus is describing a modern day nuclear bomb exploding either next to or right above a city. He describes this even clearer when he mentions that "on the instant" (just like the mushroom cloud of a nuclear bomb which comes up from the ground instantly) a "great scattered flame" will "leap up from the ground" (another clue that it could be a nuclear explosion), and "approaches the great new city". He also mentions that the "sky will burn at forty-five degrees), perhaps again describing the effects of a mushroom cloud of a nuclear bomb.

As far as the "great new city" that he mentions. That could be just about any city. However, I have my own theories as to it being related to the last two predictions which I believe describe some kind of a nuclear or biological attack on the city of Rome, Italy.

As I mentioned before, it is obvious that many Islamic fanatics want to destroy any historical cities related to Christianity. And to do away with Christianity all-together. Rome, Italy falls into the category of a major historical city for Christianity. And what better way to destroy it than with a Nuclear Bomb?

A nuclear explosion occurs as a result of the rapid release of energy from an intentionally high-speed nuclear reaction. The driving reaction may be nuclear fission, nuclear fusion or a multistage cascading combination of the two, though to date all fusion based weapons have used a fission device to initiate fusion, and a pure fusion weapon remains a hypothetical device. Atmospheric nuclear explosions are associated with "mushroom clouds", although mushroom clouds can occur with large chemical explosions, and it is possible to have an air-burst nuclear explosion without these clouds. Nuclear explosions produce large amounts of radiation and radioactive debris.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Nuclear_fireball.jpg/705px-Nuclear_fireball.jpg

The dominant effects of a nuclear weapon (the blast and thermal radiation) are the same physical damage mechanisms as conventional explosives, but the energy produced by a nuclear explosive is millions of times more per gram and the temperatures reached are in the tens of megakelvins.

The energy released from a nuclear weapon detonated in the troposphere can be divided into four basic categories:

* Blast—40-50% of total energy
* Thermal radiation—30-50% of total energy
* Ionizing radiation—5% of total energy
* Residual radiation—5-10% of total energy

However, depending on the design of the weapon and the environment in which it is detonated the energy distributed to these categories can be increased or decreased to the point of nullification. The blast effect is created by immense amounts of energy, spanning the electromagnetic spectrum, with the surroundings. Locations such as submarine, surface, airburst, or exo-atmospheric determine how much energy is produced as blast and how much as radiation. In general, denser mediums around the bomb, like water, absorb more energy, and create more powerful shockwaves while at the same time limiting the area of its effect.

That is important information about water causing the blast to absorb more energy and create more powerful shockwaves because any country who would have the capabilities to launch a nuclear bomb would also most certainly know beforehand how to increase it's impact on the designated target. And Nostradamus stated in the prediction I posted previously that:

"From the East will come a dreadful act

Which will strike at the Adriatic sea

and the heirs of Romulus (Rome, Italy)."

Obviously, if it turns out to be a nuclear or biological strike on the city of Rome, than the strike on the water next to it would be very clever, because it would increase the amount of damage done to the city because it would absorb more energy before releasing it's blast.

Most of the material damage caused by a nuclear air burst is caused by a combination of the high static overpressures and the blast winds. The long compression of the blast wave weakens structures, which are then torn apart by the blast winds. The compression, vacuum and drag phases together may last several seconds or longer, and exert forces many times greater than the strongest hurricane. Nuclear weapons emit large amounts of electromagnetic radiation as visible, infrared, and ultraviolet light. The chief hazards are burns and eye injuries. On clear days, these injuries can occur well beyond blast ranges. The light is so powerful that it can start fires that spread rapidly in the debris left by a blast.

As far as what Nostradamus says about "they" wanting "proof of the normans", I have yet to come up with a possible meaning for this sentence. What we can take from it immediately, however, is that it will somehow coincide with the attack that Nostradamus seems to be describing in this quatrain.

The Normans were the people who gave their names to Normandy, a region in northern France. They descended from Viking conquerors of the territory and the native population of mostly Frankish and Gallo-Roman stock. So perhaps the last line gives us a clue that some person/country will be wanting/waiting for France to prove something when suddenly this attack takes place.

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"Troops will approach from Russia.

The destroyer will ruin the ancient city

Italy will be destroyed

And no one will know how to put out

the great fire which will have been ignited."


NOTE:

In this one Nostradamus lays it all out pretty clear for us. He states that "Troops will approach from Russia", which could be Russian troops themselves, or troops from another country who would have already invaded Russia (China - according to Jeane Dixon). Regardless, Nostradamus states that these "troops" will approach from the country of Russia.

Then he goes on to write that, "The destroyer will ruin the ancient city". Since this sentence could refer to any city in the World that is "ancient", we have only to go to the next line of the quatrain for a clue as to what city he is referring to because he makes it very clear for us when he writes that "Italy will be destroyed". So again, I believe he is referring to the city of Rome, Italy. It is also quite possible that Nostradamus used two different terms to describe the city of Rome. "Great new city" (possibly referring to the Vatican City that came into existence in 1929) and "Ancient city" (possibly referring to the city of Rome itself which has been around for thousands of years). Either way, we know that once again, "Italy" is the target in this quatrain.

The "destroyer" could mean many different things. It could be a launching device, it could be a person (the Anti-Christ perhaps), it could be a name for the device itself, it could even be the description of an actual modern day destroyer-battleship, which would be more than capable of launching a nuclear missile. There are just too many possibilities to be able to narrow it down to just one. One thing we do know however, is that whatever this "destroyer" is, Nostradamus claims that it will be responsible for the destruction of "The ancient city" in Italy.

Thats exactly what he says. That Italy will "be destroyed". Now obviously he doesn't mean that the land mass of Italy will be obliterated, so what I take from this is that Italy will be shaken from top to bottom with war and that there will be great destruction inside of Italy that will result in complete and utter devastation.

For a better understanding of the final 2 lines of this quatrain, we can simply go back to the last 3 posts/prophecies from before which seemed to be describing an attack on the city of Rome. I believe this quatrain is related to them because here again Nostradamus mentions a large fire when he states that "And no one will know how to put out the great fire which will have been ignited". This I take to be related to the possible nuclear or biological attack that Nostradamus seemed to be describing in the above predictions related to this region of the World.

In order for a fire to be "ignited" to the degree that "no one" would know how to put it out, that would have to be an extremely persistant fire that could only come from something which would most likely be related to a weapon of some kind or another. If it were a natural fire, then surely many people would know how to put it out, as Rome would be equipped with its own fire department/emergency service that can deal with putting out the flames. But if it were a fire created from say a nuclear type device, then that would definately qualify as a fire that would not be able to be extinguished right away, and/or by normal means. In fact, there may be nothing that could be done to extinguish the flames if indeed they were caused by a nuclear explosion. The survivors and those around the city would just have to wait for things to get better.

No matter how a person chooses to look at it, at least according to Nostradamus, Italy is definately going to be in for some serious trouble during World War 3.

Russia is a transcontinental country extending over much of northern Eurasia. It is a semi-presidential republic comprising 83 federal subjects. Russia shares land borders with the following countries (counterclockwise from northwest to southeast): Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania (via Kaliningrad Oblast), Poland (via Kaliningrad Oblast), Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, China, Mongolia and North Korea, and is also close to the United States (Alaska) and Japan. It borders the Arctic Ocean, the Pacific Ocean, the Caspian Sea, the Baltic Sea, and the Black Sea.

At 17,075,400 square kilometres (6,592,800 sq mi), Russia is the largest country in the world, covering more than an eighth of the Earth’s land area; with 142 million people, it is the ninth largest by population. It extends across the whole of northern Asia and 40% of Europe, spanning 11 time zones and incorporating a great range of environments and landforms. Russia has the world's greatest reserves of mineral and energy resources, and is considered an energy superpower. It has the world's largest forest reserves and its lakes contain approximately one-quarter of the world's unfrozen fresh water.

A map of the location of Russia:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Russian_Federation_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg/541px-Russian_Federation_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg.png

Italy is located on the Italian Peninsula in Southern Europe, and on the two largest islands in the Mediterranean Sea, Sicily and Sardinia. Italy shares its northern Alpine boundary with France, Switzerland, Austria and Slovenia. The independent states of San Marino and the Vatican City are enclaves within the Italian Peninsula, while Campione d'Italia is an Italian exclave in Switzerland. Italy has been the home of many European cultures, such as the Etruscans and the Romans, and later was the birthplace of the universities and of the movement of the Renaissance, that began in Tuscany and spread all over Europe. Italy's capital Rome was for centuries the center of Western civilization; it also spawned the Baroque movement and seats the Catholic Church. Italy possessed a colonial empire from the second half of the nineteenth century to the mid-twentieth century. Today, Italy is a democratic republic and a developed country with the 8th-highest Quality-of-life index rating in the world.

A map of the location of Italy:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Location_Italy_EU_Europe.png/721px-Location_Italy_EU_Europe.png

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"Karol will pass away when Europe to the east of the Rhine and Russia

have reversed their coin. An age of wars kills the consecrated iron man.

After a year of pillage, Rome stripped bare; the bells no longer ring. Age."


NOTE:

Here it looks like Nostradamus is writing about the currency of Europe changing right around the time of World War 3. With the European Union, this has already started to become a reality. He says it will happen to the part of Europe that is to the "East of the Rhine and Russia"

The European countries that are East of the Rhine river include Germany, Liechtenstein, Italy, Slovenia, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Austria, Poland, Croatia, Hungary, Romania, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Albania, Finland, Sweden, Lithuania, and Latvia, among others.

The European Union is composed of 27 independent sovereign countries which are known as member states. These include: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and the United Kingdom.

Clearly many of the European countries that are east of the Rhine river also happen to be member states of the European Union. Nostradamus wrote that when these countries "reverse their coin" (The European Union), then an "age of wars" will kill "the consecrated iron man".

The word consecrated means to make or declare sacred; set apart or dedicate to the service of a deity: to consecrate a new church building. So a "consecrated" man would be just that. "Iron" man I take to mean a man of war or someone who likes war or lives by war. Therefore if we put all the words together "Concecrated iron man" I believe Nostradamus is telling us that many of the men of today, the ones who make war sacred, and who dedicate themselves to it and serve it as if it was a deity, will mostly all be killed during World War 3 and during the "Age of wars" (Age of Pisces) as Nostradamus puts it.

The last line of the quatrain is also interesting, because Nostradamus gives us another clue related to the attack/assault on Rome when he writes that: "After a year of pillage, Rome stripped bare; the bells no longer ring." The bells no longer ring could be a reference to the Vatican city and its church bells. So perhaps in other words he is saying that the city of Rome, Italy will have been decimated. He does say that Rome will be pillaged for a whole year, and then "stripped bare". It's a very sad ending when you think about it. But perhaps a necessary one.

At the very end of this quatrain Nostradamus simply states one word. "Age". Perhaps the reason he ends it with this word is because he wants to give us all a hint that we may soon be entering into a brand new age (the Age of Aquarius) and that the age of Pisces will soon be coming to an end. This could be his reference to the end of the Age of wars, and to the beginning of an age of Peace. An age that many people continue to hope for.

The Rhine is one of the longest and most important rivers in Europe at 1,320 kilometres (820 mi), with an average discharge of more than 2,000 cubic metres per second (71,000 cu ft/s). The name of the Rhine comes from the archaic German Rhine, which in turn comes from Middle High German. The Rhine and the Danube formed most of the northern inland frontier of the Roman Empire, and since those days the Rhine has been a vital navigable waterway, carrying trade and goods deep inland. It has also served as a defensive feature, and has been the basis for regional and international borders. The many castles and prehistoric fortifications along the Rhine testify to its importance as a waterway. River traffic could be stopped at these locations, usually for the purpose of collecting tolls, by the state controlling that portion of the river. The Rhine's origins are in the Swiss Alps in the canton of Graubünden, where its two main initial tributaries are called Vorderrhein and Hinterrhein. The Vorderrhein (anterior Rhine) springs from Lake Tuma near the Oberalp Pass and passes the impressive Ruinaulta (the Swiss Grand Canyon). The Hinterrhein (posterior Rhine) starts from the Paradies Glacier near the Rheinquellhorn at the southern border of Switzerland. One of the latter tributaries originates in Val di Lei in Italy. Both tributaries meet near Reichenau, still in Graubünden. From Reichenau, the Rhine flows north as the Alpenrhein passing Chur and forming the border between Liechtenstein and then Austria on the east side, and canton St. Gallen of Switzerland on the west side, then emptying into Lake Constance. Emerging from Lake Constance, flowing generally westward as the Hochrhein it passes the Rhine Falls and is joined by the Aar river. The Aar more than doubles the Rhine's water discharge to an average of nearly 1,000 cubic meters per second. The Aar also contains the waters from the summit of Finsteraarhorn, at 4,274 metres the highest point of the Rhine basin. The Rhine roughly forms the boundary with Germany from Lake Constance until it turns north at the so-called Rhine knee at Basel. The Rhine is the longest river in Germany. It is here that the Rhine encounters some of its main tributaries, such as the Neckar, the Main and later the Moselle, which contributes an average discharge of over 300 cubic metres per second (11,000 cu ft/s). The Rhine then turns west and enters the Netherlands, where together with the rivers Meuse and Scheldt it forms the extensive Rhine-Meuse-Scheldt delta, one of the larger river deltas in western Europe. Crossing the border into the Netherlands at Spijk, close to Nijmegen and Arnhem the Rhine is at its widest, but the river then splits into three main distributaries: the Waal, Nederrijn ("Lower Rhine"wink and IJssel.

Map of the location of the Rhine river:

http://www.rollintl.com/roll/rhine.gif

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"Weapons will be heard fighting in the sky.

In the same year, the divines will become enemies.

They will unjustly debate holy laws,

Through thunder and war the true believers will die."


NOTE:

Weapons fighting in the sky, debates about "holy laws", thunder, war, people dead. Again, seems like another general description of World War 3.

"Weapons heard fighting in the sky" I would take to mean aircraft battles taking place above cities, etc.

Nostradamus also writes that in that same year as these air battles, the two "Divines" will become enemies. I take the "Divines" to mean the major World religions. The two religions that come to mind are Christianity and Islam.

Nostradamus mentions that these "Divines" will "unjustly debate holy laws". The key word here is "unjustly". Unjustly means not just or right; unfair; contrary to justice. Therefore Nostradamus is making it clear to us that these debates over "Holy laws" are pointless, and are not right, and unfair. This would accurately describe the debates and even the wars that spring up over the doctrines of Christianity vs Islam/Islam vs Christianity.

On the very last line of this quatrain Nostradamus writes that "Through thunder and war the true believers will die". Obviously Nostradamus is telling us that because of the unwillingness of either religion to back down/and or compromise, the anger directed towards each of their followers will sprout into wars, and could also be a major factor towards the cause of World War 3. He also makes it clear that these hard-core religious followers on both sides of the equation, those that are willing to take up arms against each other in blind faith, will end up suffering death as a result of their decisions.

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"Saturn in Cancer, Jupiter with Mars,

In February "Chaldondon Salvaterre,

The Sierra Morena assailed from three sides,

Near "Verbiesque" conflict mortal war."


NOTE:


On the first line of this quatrain Nostradamus mentions that "Saturn" will be in "Cancer". Obviously he is talking about the constellation of Cancer and the planet Saturn crossing it's domain. In Astrology, this is a unique combination, due to the fact that the energies of these two are almost completely opposite. In fact, this same conjunction occurred back in June of 2003, or around the same time that the United States invaded the country of Iraq in March of that same year.

In Astrology, Cancer is all loving and compassionate; while Saturn is harsh, unforgiving, and judging. There is a schizoid quality to this combination: Cancer sees the goodness in all things and Saturn mirrors the dark depressive realms. Cancer is all-giving and embracing; Saturn is withholding, limiting and the great imposer of rules and structure. Cancer is the archetypal nurturing mother, and Saturn is the archetypal judgmental, demanding father. Cancer teaches with love. Saturn instructs through discipline and hard work. As you might imagine, integrating these two energies isn't easy, especially during these fragile and charged times in which we live. During the time that this conjunction takes place, The act of opening our hearts, practicing compassion, forgiveness and nurturance will be harder, but the payoff will be enormous. So big, it might just save our lives. Saturn is all about long-term commitment. Saturn in Cancer is all about long-term commitment to spiritual values and the lessons of opening our hearts even in the hardest of times.

Usually Saturn brings some forms of death. However, more than any other quality, Saturn represents inner fear. Due to the Moon's rulership of Cancer and its irrational fears of the unknown, the hunker-down mentality we saw after 9/11 may become more prevalent during the time of this conjunction causing people to isolate themselves and cling to home and hearth. Up the Terror Alert, close the borders, seal the airports, keep out the intruders; this will be Cancer gone haywire. A Saturn in Cancer foreign policy sounds more like, "You are either part of the family, or you might as well fend for yourself." Or as George W Bush, a Cancer native put it, "You're either with us or against us." It is up to each of us to resist this growing paranoia and cynicism that will occur during this period. We can't allow Saturn to limit our ability to reach out in a gentle way and welcome others who look, sound or act different.

When this conjunction occurs the American people will have a great opportunity as a Nation. Because Cancer is compassion and Saturn confers great seriousness, it is possible that if enough of us insist on acting in accord with these principles, even if it means going against popular sentiment, we can redirect our nation's personality back to one of caring for and loving all people. If you think spirituality has nothing to do with politics and national identity, think again. Your spiritual practice has a great deal of influence over how our nation behaves. The more of us that insist upon kindness, compassion, and emotional openness in our own lives, the more our leaders will reflect these values.

Saturn in Cancer could mean the death of the traditional family, as we have known it. Some may think this is a good thing; that the days of the nuclear family were over long ago and popular culture just needs to catch up. Saturn represents rules and structure, and Cancer represents a shell we use to shelter ourselves from those we consider outsiders. Since emotional and personal security is the underlying issue for all Cancer natives, Saturn will be forcing all of us to redefine who we think of as family, who we turn to in tough times, who we would welcome into our own shelter should the need arise. In all of these cases, the definition of family must be extended to include many more individuals than just our blood relatives and close friends. It is true that a first impulse might be to hole up inside one's own shell, but this would be counterproductive to the times. Isolation is the first impulse, but reaching out and holding tight to as many as possible is the real lesson of Saturn in Cancer.

The Saturn in Cancer conjunction will be a time to reinvigorate our caring, nurturing selves and reign in our judgmental, fearful selves. We will be tested; that is the nature of Saturn. Saturn is the teacher, and instructs us to pay attention to the destructive traits and behaviors that live deep within us. We all must heal our impulse to fear, to withhold, and to imagine ourselves as anything but responsible for the terrible conditions in which our brothers and sisters around the globe live. If we each use this time properly, we will all come out of the Saturn in Cancer conjunction with stronger, more open, more compassionate hearts, and a world that is committed to the Cancerian values of love, peace and harmony.

Within the same first line of this quatrain, Nostradamus also mentions that "Jupiter" will be with "Mars".

In Astrology, Jupiter is the thinking person's Planet. As the guardian of the abstract mind, this Planet rules higher learning and bestows upon us a yen for exploring ideas, both intellectually and spiritually. Intellectually speaking, Jupiter assists us in formulating our ideology. In the more spiritual realm, Jupiter lords over religions and philosophy. A search for the answers is what Jupiter proposes, and if it means spanning the globe to find them, well, that's probably why Jupiter also rules long-distance travel. In keeping with this theme, Jupiter compels us to assess our ethical and moral values; it also addresses our sense of optimism. Luck and good fortune are associated with Jupiter for good reason. This is a kind and benevolent Planet, one which wants us to grow and flourish in a positive way. Jupiter may be judge and jury, but it's mostly an honorable helpmate, seeing to it that we're on the right path.

In Astrology, Mars is the action Planet of the Zodiac. The 'Red Planet,' after all, should be pretty fiery, and Mars does not disappoint. Energy, passion, drive and determination are all right up Mars's alley. This Planet commands you (and yes, Mars does rule the military) to stand up, be noticed and get things done -- sitting on the sidelines belongs somewhere else in the heavens. Simply put, Mars speaks to the power and confident expression of the individual. Ambition and competition are also within Mars's realm. Whether it's at work or on the field of play, Mars encourages us to face challenges and to be our best -- or better. Aggression is part of the plan here, although Mars also values courage and honor. Assertion and a daring, fearless nature please this Planet.

During this conjunction with Jupiter and Mars that Nostradamus is describing, we will all be experiencing the effects of both planets combined together.

On the second line of this quatrain, Nostradamus writes that "In February "Chaldondon Salvaterre,". Obviously Nostradamus is giving us a clue that something is going to happen during the month of February. The "Chaldondon Salvaterre" to this day remains a mystery to many translators and scholars. It could very well relate to the name of a person or place, but at this time has never been properly translated publicly.

As to what events may be occurring in the month of February, we can look to the next two lines for more clues. On line 3 of this quatrain, Nostradamus writes that "The Sierra Morena assailed from three sides". The Sierra Morena is a mountain range which stretches for 400 km East-West across southern Spain. So again, we have Spain involved in the prediction, and it appears that Spain is also due for some serious trouble during World War 3. He writes that it will be "assailed from three sides", showing us the scope of the attack and that it will be a very clever one that will most likely be very effective. Being attacked from three different sides would be difficult for any country to defend against.

On the last line of this quatrain, Nostradamus writes that "Near "Verbiesque" conflict mortal war." The word Verbiesque is a bit of a mystery as well, but perhaps it also refers to an area in or around Spain, since it would be keeping in sync with the rest of the quatrain. Either way, no matter where "Verbiesque" is located, Nostradamus associates it with conflict and mortal war around the same time that Spain is due to be attacked.

A picture of the planet Saturn:

http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~marcsulf/saturn/saturn.jpg

A picture of the Constellation of Cancer:

http://z.about.com/d/space/1/7/W/I/cancer.gif

A picture of the planet Jupiter:

http://home.rhein-zeitung.de/~dboerner/!jupiter.jpg

A picture of the planet Mars:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Mars_Hubble.jpg/240px-Mars_Hubble.jpg

A picture of the Sierra Morena mountain range in Spain:

http://www.iberianature.com/material/photos/spain_nature_sites/arencena_photo.jpg

NuclearWinter
Not to mention that both Spain and France are mentioned many times in Nostradamus's quatrains as places that are going to be attacked during our lifetimes.

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"The gods will make it appear to mankind,

That they are the authors of a great conflict:

The once serene sky will show Sword and Lance,

The Left will be the most afflicted."


NOTE:

In this prediction Nostradamus mentions that the men of the World will believe that they are the offers of a "great conflict." By "great conflict" I do believe that Nostradamus is talking about a World War. In this case, I believe it has to do with World War 3. It's interesting that he mentions that it will only "appear" to mankind that they are the authors of the war. The only thing I can take from this is that Nostradamus is trying to tell us that some things exist beyond the realm of our control, and that some things were set in motion long before we may have thought they ever were. Possibly hinting that World War 3 will fall into this category as well.

On the third line Nostradamus writes that the once "serene" sky will show "sword and lance". The word serene means clear and free of storms or unpleasant change. So clearly he is mentioning a time when the sky was free from air battles, but then goes on to make it clear that when this prophecy takes place, it won't be so any longer. The reference to the sky showing "sword and lance" again seems to give us a clue that Nostradamus is talking about the coming "air battles" that will take place during the war.

On the last line of this prediction Nostradamus says that the "Left" will be the most afflicted. If you look on a World Map, and if you were to draw a line between Africa and Europe (England, France, Germany etc.) and the countries of China, Iran, and Russia, you would see that on the right side of that line would be China, Iran, and Russia, and that on the left side would be Europe And Africa. Therefore when Nostradamus mentions that the "The Left will be the most afflicted", I do believe that he is describing the damage that will occur in the Countries of Europe and Africa, as well as in the middle-eastern countries that are closer to them, and that the damage that will occur in those places will be greater than the damage that will occur in the countries on the "right" (China, Iran, Russia, etc.).


http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr328/Brenden111/WorldMap.jpg

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"The leaders of the Church will remain backward in their

love of God...Of the three sects the Catholic is thrown

into decadence by the partisan differences of it's

worshippers. The Protestants will be entirely undone in

all of Europe and parts of Africa by the Islamics, by

means of poor in Spirit who, led by madmen shall

through worldly luxury commit adultery...

in the meantime so vast a plague that two thirds of the

World fail and decay. So many (die) that no one will

know the true owners of fields and houses.

The weeds in the city streets will rise higher

than the knees, and there shall be a total desolation of

the Clergy."


NOTE:

This prediction is more directed towards the downfall of the Catholic and Protestant Churches than it is about anything else. But Nostradamus does list what appears to be an army of "Islamics" as a reason for the downfall the Protestant religion and for it to be "completely "undone" in "ALL", not just part of, Europe. He also says that much of the Protestant religion will be undone in parts of Africa as well. And again, he lists the same possible army of "Islamics" to be the cause. He also mentions that these "Islamics" will be "led by madmen" and that they shall be "poor in Spirit".

He writes that the "Catholic" church will be thrown into "decadence" (a period of decline) because of it's many "partisan" differences. Partisan means a firm adherent to a party, faction, cause, or person; especially: one exhibiting blind, prejudiced, and unreasoning allegiance.

During the last section of this quatrain Nostradamus writes that "in the meantime so vast a plague that two thirds of the World fail and decay. So many (die) that no one will know the true owners of fields and houses." I take this to mean that the "plague" that Nostradamus mentions will be created by one of three sources: One, through a biological agent/weapon that is used by the "Islamics" that Nostradamus mentions above, two, through the natural process of Mother Nature going through one of it's many cycles, or three, because of Human Negligence towards the Earth.

He mentions that this "plague" will kill so many people that "no one will know the true owners of fields and houses". I take this to mean that there will be so many empty houses and fields during this time that it will become too confusing for people to try and figure out who owned what.

On the very last sentence of this quatrain Nostradamus writes that "The weeds in the city streets will rise higher than the knees, and there shall be a total desolation of the Clergy". I suspect that the weeds in the city streets rising higher than the knees will be because there will be no one around to cut them anymore after the cities have been cleared out of people due to this plague.

To finish this quatrain, Nostradamus gives us a clue about the damage that will have been done to the church by writing that "and there shall be a total desolation of the Clergy". Desolation means devastation, ruin. So therefore, we know that the Catholic and Protestant churches are both going to be facing some very serious problems.

A map of Europe:

http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/europe/map_of_europe.jpg

A map of Africa:

http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/africa/map_of_africa.jpg

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"Upon the struggle of the great

They will proclaim the Islamic

resistance is destroyed.

To kill by night, in the mountains,

Rest in shepherd clothing

Red Gulf in the deep valleys"


NOTE:

In this prediction Nostradamus says that "Upon the struggle of the great", which could very well represent the United States, France, Spain, Italy and all of their allies, and that "They will proclaim the Islamic resistance is destroyed". But this is a very interesting line, because Nostradamus doesn't state that the Islamic resistance WILL be destroyed, he only states that people will proclaim that it is. Perhaps meaning that all will not completely be well. Either way though, this prediction shows very clearly that in the end, the Islamics will have at least appeared to have lost the war.

The last part of this prediction mentions "killing by night", "in the mountains", and a "Red gulf" in the deep valleys. What I take from this is that some of the water in the valleys of the mountains will have turned red. Perhaps because of all the bodies that will be lying in or around the rivers? From both sides of the war?

We do know that World War 3 will be extremely bloody. And that no matter how it turns out in the end, the death count would be massive.

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"Mabus will soon die, then will come

"A horrible slaughter of

people and animals,

At once vengeance is revealed

coming from a hundred lands

Thirst, and famine when the

comet will pass."


NOTE:

In this prediction Nostradamus mentions the name "Mabus". Mabus could very well be the name that Nostradamus gives to the "third" Anti-Christ. Nostradamus claims that this person will soon die (most likely during or after the war against him). But even after this person's death, things don't seem to be getting very much better at least not right away, because Nostradamus writes that a "horrible slaughter of people and animals" will come soon afterwards.

The horrible slaughter of people and animals could very well be because of the long expected and prophesized Worldwide Pole-Shift that is supposed to be occuring soon after World War 3 or even at the very end of it. A Pole-Shift would definately be something that could destroy huge amounts of people and animals all over the World.

Nostradamus also writes about "vengeance" (punishment inflicted in retaliation for an injury or offense) coming from a "hundred lands". Perhaps the people of the World will be angry at not only Mother Nature, but also at the after-effects of the war and at all of the destruction that it had caused.

On the last line Nostradamus mentions that there will be "thirst and famine", when a "comet passes". This would obviously make alot of people angry as well.

Picture of a symbol related to the third Anti-Christ taken from the Lost Book Of Nostradamus:

http://www.crystalinks.com/PLATE_18.jpg

Notice the three six pointed stars above the serpent/dragon which could relate to the 666 that Revelations mentions about the sign of the Anti-Christ.

Another picture of a symbol that appears to be related to the third Anti-Christ taken from the Lost Book Of Nostradamus:

http://www.crystalinks.com/image56.jpg
Notice the three drops of blood dripping from the serpents mouth. The three drops of blood could be another clue to let us all know that this is a symbol for the third Anti-Christ that Nostradamus writes about in certain quatrains. Also notice that next to the serpent is a cup that appears to be filled with blood. Perhaps this is a symbol for all of the blood that the Anti-Christ will cause to be shed.

Jack Daniels
third anti christ???? hmm something new to read up on...never knew there was gonna be more than one...gotta love the conspiracy forums!!! never bored here

NuclearWinter
Nostradamus speaks of three Anti-Christs that will shake the World. The Bible speaks of one, however it does mention a sort of "runner-up" that comes right before him.

Many people believe that Nostradamus's third Anti-Christ is the Anti-Christ of the Bible.

Many people believe that Hitler was the second Anti-Christ. Who the first one was is debatable. Some say it was Napoleon Bonaparte, others say it was Genghis Khan. Others believe it was a Roman emporer such as Julius Caesar. Others that it was Hannibal. Needless to say, the first one is clouded in mystery.

Mr Parker
hey winter check your pm box.

NuclearWinter
Originally posted by Mr Parker
hey winter check your pm box.

Alright.

NuclearWinter
NOSTRADAMUS'S PREDICTIONS FOR THIS CENTURY (2000 - 2100)


Nostradamus:


"After great trouble for humanity, a greater one is prepared

The Great Mover renews the ages:

Rain, blood, milk, famine, steel and plague,

In the heavens fire seen, a long spark running."


NOTE:

On the first line of this quatrain, Nostradamus states that Humanity will have already gone through a "great trouble". I take this "great trouble" to represent a World War, because a World War is definately something that would effect all of Humanity, and would be global in it's reach. And in this case I believe it is World War 3 that he is describing. But then right after that sentence, comes a clue for something else. After this "great trouble for humanity", Nostradamus states that a "a greater one is prepared". Greater than a World War? There is only one thing I could think of that would be immediately greater than World War 3, and that would be a Global catastrophe of some kind - aka - the Pole-Shift.

Another clue we have that Nostradamus is most likely writing about the coming Pole-Shift, is that on the second line of this quatrain, Nostradamus writes that, "The Great Mover renews the ages". Very interesting. "The Great Mover" is a perfect description of a Pole-Shift because it literally moves the entire Earth when it occurs, and, in the process of doing this it shifts the poles of the Earth as well. But we have an even greater clue that Nostradamus is describing the coming Pole-Shift, because just after those words on line 2 Nostradamus says that what this "Great Mover" does is it "renews the ages". Renews the ages? Another perfect description of a Pole-Shift because many cultures around the World as well as many astrologers, researchers, writers, and psychics believe that at the end of many of the ages that the Earth has passed through (which will soon be Pisces for us as we enter into the age of Aquarius), that there have been major cataclysmic upheavals which have caused Worldwide destruction including almost the complete annihilation of the entire Human race.

Now on the third line of this quatrain, Nostradamus seems to be writing about some of the consequences of a Pole-Shift when he writes that, "Rain, blood, milk, famine, steel and plague". Rain is absolutely one of the consequences of a Pole-Shift. In fact, so much so that it has caused Global floods that have been so big in scale that so many cultures around the World have included these floods in with their traditional history stories. Blood, well, unfortunately that is another consequence that occurs during a Pole-Shift because many people will die as a result of all the different catastrophies that take place. "Milk" is a little harder to understand, however it might go along with the rain such as rain mixed with ash which could give the impression of milk falling from the sky as it turns more of a whitish color. This of course would be from volcanoes exploding around the World. Famine is also a definite result of a Pole-Shift due to all the destruction of crops and fields. Steel, well, there would be tons of steel bent out of shape and lying around from different things such as fires, tidal waves, volcanic eruptions, extremely strong winds, etc. So huge amounts of steel being scattered around would also be a consequence of a Pole-Shift. And lastly we have Plague. Plague would be another definite consequence of a Pole-Shift because there would be many dead bodies lying around both from animals and Humans and those bodies would certainly be at risk for spreading disease as they began to decompose, etc.

So there we have it, "Rain", "Blood", "Famine", "Steel", and "Plague", all things that would accompany a Pole-Shift and all of which Nostradamus seems to use to describe this "Greater" trouble for Humanity.

On the very last line of this quatrain, comes yet even another clue that Nostradamus may be writing about a Pole-Shift when he writes that, "In the heavens fire seen, a long spark running." Fire seen in the sky be it at night or in the daytime, would also be an effect of a Pole-Shift because with all of the Volcanoes exploding, and with all of the flames and ash and smoke causing the sky to change colors, and with the reflection in the sky as to what is happening down on the ground, it would be entirely possible that there would either literally be "fire seen in the heavens", or....that there would only appear to be "fire seen in the heavens". Either way, this would make total sense during a World-Wide Catastrophe such as the Pole-Shift which has been responsible for burying and destroying entire continents, countries, cities, and civilizations around the Earth on more than one occasion.

Picture of how the Earth might look while undergoing some of the effects of the changes during a Pole-Shift:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3287/3135439594_8135ca79ba.jpg

Picture of how some of the cities around the World might look after they have been stripped bare from the damage of the Pole-Shift:

http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/apocalypse1.jpg

jaden101
Cool pic....The 2nd one, i mean.

NuclearWinter
THE BIBLE

AND

WORLD WAR 3


EZEKIEL 4:1-2:


"THOU also, son of man, take thee a tile, and lay it before thee, and pourtray upon it the city, even Jerusalem"

"And lay siege against it, and build a fort against it, and cast a mount against it; set the camp also against it, and set battering rams against it round about."

"Moreover take thou unto thee an iron pan, and set it for a wall of iron between thee and the city: and set thy face against it, and it shall be besieged, and thou shalt lay siege against it. This shall be a sign to the house of Israel."


EZEKIEL 5:2-8:


"Thou shalt burn with a fire a third part in the midst of the city, when the days of the siege are fulfilled: and thou shalt take a third part, and smite about it with a knife: and a third part thou shalt scatter in the wind; and I will draw out a sword after them."

"Thout shalt take thereof a few in number, and bind them in thy skirts."

"Then take them again, and cast them into the midst of the fire, and burn them in the fire; for thereof shall a fire come forth into the house of Israel."

"This is Jerusalem: I have set it in the midst of the nations and countries that are round about her."

"And she hath changed my judgements into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my statutes, they have not walked in them."

"Therefore, because ye multiplied more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about you, and have not walked in my statutes, neither have kept my judgements, neither have done according to the judgements of the nations that are round about you."

"Behold, I, even I, am against thee, and will execute judgments in the midst of thee in the sight of the nations."


NOTE:

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and its largest city in both population and area, with a population of 747,600 residents over an area of 125.1 square kilometres (48.3 sq mi). It is located in the Judean Mountains, between the Mediterranean Sea and the northern tip of the Dead Sea.

A Picture of Jerusalem:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Jerusalem_from_mt_olives.jpg/800px-Jerusalem_from_mt_olives.jpg

NuclearWinter
EZEKIEL 5:12-17:


"A third part of thee shall die with the pestilence, and with famine shall they be consumed in the midst of thee: and a third part shall fall by the sword round about thee; and I will scatter a third part into all the winds, and I will draw out a sword after them."

"Moreover I will make thee waste, and a reproach among the nations that are round about thee, in the sight of all that pass by."

"So it shall be a reproach and a taunt, an instruction and an astonishment unto the nations that are round about thee, when I shall execute judgments in thee in anger and in fury and in furious rebukes."

"When I shall send upon them the evil arrows of famine, which shall be for their destruction, and which I will send to destroy you: and I will increase the famine upon you, and will break your staff of bread."

"So I will send you famine and evil beasts, and they shall bereave thee; and pestilence and blood shall pass through thee; and I will bring the sword upon thee."


EZEKIEL 6:2-6:

"Son of man, set thy face toward the mountains of Israel, and prophesy against them."

"Behold, I, even I, will bring a sword upon you, and I will destroy your high places."

"And your altars shall be desolate, and your images shall be broken: and I will cast down your slain men before your idols."

"And I will lay the dead carcases of the children of Israel before their idols; and I will scatter your bones round about your altars."

"In all your dwellingplaces the cities shall be laid waste, and the high places shall be desolate; that your alters may be laid waste and made desolate, and your idols may be broken and cease, and your images may be cut down, and your works may be abolished."

NuclearWinter
EZEKIEL 6:8-14:


"Yet I will leave a remnant, that ye may have some that shall escape the sword among the nations, when ye shall be scattered through the countries."

"And they that escape of you shall remember me among the nations whither they shall be carried captives."

"Smite with thine hand, and stamp with thy foot, and say, Alas, for all the evil abominations of the house of Israel! For they shall fall by the sword, by the famine, and by the pestilence."

"He that is far off shall die of the pestilence; and he that is near shall fall by the sword; and he that remaineth and is besieged shall die by the famine."

"When their slain men shall be among their idols round about their altars, upon every high hill, in all the tops of the mountains, and under every green tree, and under every thick oak, the place where they did offer sweet savour to all their idols."

"So I will stretch out my hand upon them, and make the land desolate, yea, more desolate than the wilderness toward Dib'-lath, in all their habitations."


EZEKIEL 7:2-25:


"Also, thou son of man, An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land."

"The sword is without, and the pestilience and famine within: he that is in the field shall die with the sword; and he that is in the city, famine and pestilence shall devour him."

"But they that escape of them shall escape, and shall be on the mountains like doves of the valleys, all of them mourning, every one for his iniquity."

"All hands shall be feeble, and all knees shall be weak as water."

"Destruction cometh; and they shall seek peace, and there shall be none."

NuclearWinter
EZEKIEL 12:19-20:

"And say unto the people of the land, Thus of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and of the land of Israel; they shall eat their bread with carefulness, and drink their water with astonishment, that her land may be desolate from all that is therein, because of the violence of all them that dwell therein."

"And the cities that are inhabited, shall be laid waste, and the land shall be desolate."


EZEKIEL 15:8

"And I will make the land desolate, because they have committed a trespass."


EZEKIEL 21:12-22:


"Son of man, set thy face toward Jerusalem, and drop thy sword toward the holy places, and prophesy against the land of Israel."

"Cry and howl, son of man: for it shall be upon my people, it shall be upon all the princes of Israel: terrors by reason of the sword shall be upon my people: smite therefore upon thy thigh."

"Because it is a trial, and what if the sword contemn even the rod? it shall be no more."

"Thou therefore, son of man, prophesy, and smite thine hands together, and let the sword be doubled the third time, the sword of the slain: it is the sword of the great men that are slain, which entereth into their privy chambers."

"I have set the point of the sword against all their gates, that their heart may faint, and their ruins be multiplied: ah! it is made bright, it is wrapped up for the slaughter."

'Also, thou son of man, appoint thee two ways, that the sword of the king of Babylon may come: both twain shall come forth out of one land: and choose thou a place, choose it at the head of the way to the city."

"Appoint a way, that the sword may come to Rab'-bath of the Ammonites (Jordanians), and to Judah in Jerusalem the defenced."

"For the king of Babylon stood at the parting of the way, at the head of the two ways, to use divination: he made his arrows bright, he consulted with images, he looked in the liver."

"At his right hand was the divination for Jerusalem, to appoint captains, to open the mouth in the slaughter,to lift up the voice with shouting, to appoint battering rams against the gates, to cast a mount, and to build a fort."

"And thou, son of man, prophesy and say, concerning the Ammonites (Jordanians), and concerning their reproach; even say thou, The sword, the sword is drawn: for the slaughter it is furbished, to consume because of the glittering."

"And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy."

"Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered."

NuclearWinter
EZEKIEL 22:3-6:


"Then say thou, The city sheddeth blood in the midst of it, that her time may come, and maketh idols against herself to defile her."

"Thou art become guilty in thy blood that thou hast shed; and hast defiled thyself in thine idols which thou hast made; and thou hast caused the days to draw near, and art come even unto thy years; therefore I made thee a reproach unto the heathen, and a mocking to all countries."

"Those that be near, and those that be far from thee, shall mock thee, which art infamous and much vexed."

"Behold, the princes of Israel, every one were in thee to their power to shed blood."


EZEKIEL 22:14-15:


"Can thine heart endure, or can thine hands be strong, in the days that I shall deal with thee?"

"And I will scatter thee among the heathen, and disperse thee in the countries, and will consume thy filthiness out of thee."


EZEKIEL 23:23-29:


"The Babylonians, and the Chal-de'-ans (Iraqis), Pe-kod, and Sho'a (Assyrian District in Southern Kingdom of Judah) and Ko'a (Assyrian District in Southern Kingdom of Judah), and all the Assyrians with them: all of them desirable young men, captains and rulers, great lords and renowned, all of them riding upon horses."

"And they shall come against thee with chariots, wagons, and wheels, and with an assembly of people, which shall set against thee buckler and shield and helmet round about: and I will set judgment before them, and they shall judge thee according to their judgments."

"And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire."

"Behold, I will deliver thee into the hand of them whom thou hatest, into the hand of them from whom thy mind is alienated:"

"And they shall deal with thee hatefully, and shall take away all thy labour, and shall leave thee naked and bare: and the nakedness of thy xxxxxdoms shall be discovered, both thy lewdness and thy xxxxxdoms."


EZEKIEL 23:46-47:


"I will bring up a company upon them, and will give them to be removed and spoiled."

"And the company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up their houses with fire."


NOTE:

Relating to the Babylonians, and the Chal-de'-ans: Babylonia was a state in Lower Mesopotamia (Iraq), with Babylon as its capital. Babylonia emerged when Hammurabi (fl. ca. 1728 – 1686 BC, short chronology) created an empire out of the territories of the former kingdoms of Sumer and Akkad.


A map of Ancient Babylonia (Now modern day Iraq):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Hammurabi%27s_Babylonia_1.svg/300px-Hammurabi%27s_Babylonia_1.svg.png


Picture of Ancient Babylon as it currently looks today:

http://www.hacksrus.com/~recompiler/drnate/RCT7/01%20-%20Stiffey/03%20-%20Roll%203/images/9925%20-%20Babylon%2013.jpg


Map of modern day Iraq (The Babylonians of today):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Iraq_map.png


Relating to Pe-kod, Sho'a, and Ko'a: These are all districts in the Southern Kingdom of Judah.

The Kingdom of Judah consisted of the area known as Har Yehudah ("the mountain (district) of the gorge(s)"wink. The area seems to have originally been occupied by Kenites, Calebites, Othnielites, and in Jerusalem Jebusites.


Map of the ancient Kingdom of Judah:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d3/The_divided_kingdom.jpg/369px-The_divided_kingdom.jpg


Relating to Ancient Assyria: Assyria was a political state centered on the Upper Tigris river, in Mesopotamia (Iraq), that came to rule regional empires a number of times in history.


Map of Ancient Assyria:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Map_of_Assyria.png/800px-Map_of_Assyria.png

jaden101
The cut n paste bible jobs will probably get this thread closed.

NuclearWinter
If thats the case Jaden then so be it. Can u think of a better way to present the Bible prophecies than by PRESENTING THE BIBLE PROPHECIES?

Sure, I could link people to a website that contains the Bible, but then they wouldn't have the pictures and such to go off of. Besides, this thread is almost finished, to close it now would be pointless. It will be done in a few days anyways. Mine as well let it finish on it's own.

People don't always visit links. I prefer people to tell me straight up whats going on then to post a bunch of links for me to visit. I am sure most people are this way as well.

NuclearWinter
By the way, if they wanted to close a thread they can close the duplicate of this thread that is a few brackets down. I don't need that one anymore. And I wouldn't mind that one being closed at all.

NuclearWinter
I suppose I should announce too that this is my last thread on this board. I've had alot of fun here posting over the years but it's time to do other things with my life now.

I've said just about everything I have to say relating to the New World Order, World War 3, and the Pole-Shift.

I do plan to finish My original thread (the World War 3 NWO Pole Shift Age of Peace one) but I won't be making any new threads after this one.

So....I'm sure that will make some people very happy. lol. Either way, I'm sure people like Deano and Parker and yes even those like Jaden and some others in here will keep up the good work. This is not goodbye though, because I will still check in to reply and respond in other peoples threads from time to time. I'm just not going to be making any new ones for myself.

So....closing this thread would royally tick me off because it is my very last thread I'm creating here. And like I said...it's almost finished.

Jack Daniels
that sux dude...I enjoyed your posts....I beg u to reconsider ....you gave me alot of things to research on my own...many things I didnt agree on but I am not a basher I like everybody sometimes I just make them give me a reason..lol..please dont stop..jus be nice to rex sometimes..lol

jaden101
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
I suppose I should announce too that this is my last thread on this board. I've had alot of fun here posting over the years but it's time to do other things with my life now.

I've said just about everything I have to say relating to the New World Order, World War 3, and the Pole-Shift.

I do plan to finish My original thread (the World War 3 NWO Pole Shift Age of Peace one) but I won't be making any new threads after this one.

So....I'm sure that will make some people very happy. lol. Either way, I'm sure people like Deano and Parker and yes even those like Jaden and some others in here will keep up the good work. This is not goodbye though, because I will still check in to reply and respond in other peoples threads from time to time. I'm just not going to be making any new ones for myself.

So....closing this thread would royally tick me off because it is my very last thread I'm creating here. And like I said...it's almost finished.

I'll miss you man. I'll have a beer on you tonight. wink

NuclearWinter
Originally posted by jaden101
I'll miss you man. I'll have a beer on you tonight. wink

I'll miss creating threads here too. But many of us were here since the creation of this forum, and we've been lucky enough to see it grow as much as it has since it first started.

I know I for one was curious to see just how popular this forum would become, and I watched it surpass other forums that were pretty popular themselves.

So we can only be pleased with the results. =)

NuclearWinter
By the way I would bet money that in a year this forum (the conspiracy forum) will surpass the Book Discussion forum in terms of the number of total posts.

Thats sayin something. Alot of people read books.

NuclearWinter
EZEKIEL 25:2-17


"Son of man, set thy face against the Am'-mon-ites (The Syrians/Jordans), and prophesy against them, because thou saidst, Aha, against my sanctuary, when it was profaned; and against the land of Israel, when it was desolate; and against the house of Judah, when they went into captivity."

"Behold, therefore I will deliver thee to the men of the east for possession, and they shall set their palaces in thee, and make their dwellings in thee: they shall eat thy fruit, and they shall drink thy milk."

"And I will make Rab'-bah (capital of the Ammonite kingdom east of the Jordan River) a stable for camels, and the Am-mon-ites (the Syrians/Jordanians) a couchingplace for flocks:"

"Behold, therefore I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and will deliver thee for a spoil to the heathen; and I will cut thee off from the people, and I will cause thee to perish out of the countries: I will destroy thee;"

"Because that Moab (mountainous strip of land in Jordan) and Se'-ir (mountain range extending along the east side of the valley of Arabah) do say, Behold, the house of Judah is like unto all the heathen;"

"Therefore, behold, I will open the side of Moab (mountainous strip of land in Jordan) from the cities, from his cities which are on his frontiers, the glory of the country, Beth-jesh'-i-moth, (South of the Arabah, near the Dead Sea), Ba'a l-me-on (Another city close to Jordan), and Kir-i-a-tha'-im," (Another city by Jordan).

"Unto the men of the east with the Am'-mon-ites, (the Syrians/Jordanians), may not be remembered among the nations."

"Therefore, I will also stretch out mine hand upon E'-dom (An ancient country of Palestine between the Dead Sea and the Gulf of Aqaba), and will cut off man and beast from it; and I will make it desolate from Te'-man (an oasis North of Medina); and they of De'dan shall fall by the sword."

"And I will lay my vengeance upon E'dom (An ancient country of Palestine between the Dead Sea and the Gulf of Aqaba) by the hand of my people Israel: and they shall do in E'dom according to mine anger and according to my fury;"

"Behold, I will stretch out mine hand upon the Phi-lis-tines (a people who invaded the southern coast of Canaan around the time of the arrival of the Israelites - modern archaeology has suggested early cultural links with the Mycenean world in mainland Greece), and I will cut off the Cher'-e-thims (one of the ethnic groups in the Levant), and destroy the remnant of the sea coast."

"And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes."


NOTE:

In relation to the Am'-mon-ites: The Am'mon-ites were member of an ancient Semitic people in the Bible who lived between the Syrian desert and the Jordan River between the 13th and 6th centuries bc. They were constant enemies of the Israelites.

In relation to Rab'-bah: Rab'-bah was the chief city of the Ammonites, among the eastern hills, some 20 miles east of the Jordan, on the southern of the two streams which united with the Jabbok.

In relation to Moab: Moab is the historical name for a mountainous strip of land in modern-day Jordan running along the eastern shore of the Dead Sea. In ancient times, it was home to the kingdom of the Moabites, a people often in conflict with their Israelite neighbors to the west.

A picture of the Moab Kingdom:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Levant_830.svg/545px-Levant_830.svg.png

In relation to Se'-ir: Se'ir is the name of a mountainous region occupied by the Edomites, extending along the eastern side of the Arabah from the south-eastern extremity of the Dead Sea to near the Akabah, or the eastern branch of the Red Sea.

In relation to Beth-jesh'-i-moth: Beth-jesh'-i-moth was the point in the south from which the camp of Israel stretched to Abel-shittim in the plains of the Kingdom of Moab.

In relation to Ba'a l-me-on and Kir-i-a-tha'-im: Ba'a l-me-on and Kir-i-a-tha'-im were both cities near the heart of the Moab Kingdom which existed close to what is now modern day Jordan. Ba'a l-me-on is thought by many to be the location of modern-day M'ain in Israel.

In relation to E'-dom: E'-dom consisted of a Semitic-speaking tribal group inhabiting the Negev Desert and the Arabah valley of what is now southern Dead Sea and adjacent Jordan.

A map showing the location of the Kingdom of E'-dom:

http://nabataea.net/fig01.jpg

In relation to Te'-man: Besides being the name of an oasis, Te'-man was also the name of an Edomite clan.

In relation to De'dan: De'dan was also an oasis kingdom and a roster of the trading partners of the city of Tyre (today in modern Lebanon), where Dedan is noted as a nation or kingdom which traded in saddle blankets.

In relation to the Phi-lis-tines: the Phi-lis-tines were a people who occupied the southern coast of Canaan, their territory being named Philistia in later contexts.

A map of the location of the land inhabited by the Phi-lis-tines:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Early-Historical-Israel-Dan-Beersheba-Judea-Corrected.png/510px-Early-Historical-Israel-Dan-Beersheba-Judea-Corrected.png

In relation to the Cher'-e-thims (thought to be the same as the Chetherites): The Chetherites is a name given by the Hebrew Bible to one of the ethnic groups in the Levant. Their identity has not been determined with certainty.

A map of the location of the Levant (the home of the Chetherites):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/The_Levant_3.png/558px-The_Levant_3.png

Syria and Jordan:

Syria is an Arab-majority country in Southwest Asia, bordering Lebanon and the Mediterranean Sea to the west, Israel to the southwest, Jordan to the south, Iraq to the east, and Turkey to the north.

Map of the location of Syria:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/LocationSyria.svg/250px-LocationSyria.svg.png

Jordan is an Arab country in Southwest Asia spanning the southern part of the Syrian Desert down to the Gulf of Aqaba. It shares borders with Syria to the north, Iraq to the north-east, Israel to the west, and Saudi Arabia to the east and south.

Map of the location of Jordan:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/LocationJordan.svg/250px-LocationJordan.svg.png

jaden101
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
By the way I would bet money that in a year this forum (the conspiracy forum) will surpass the Book Discussion forum in terms of the number of total posts.

Thats sayin something. Alot of people read books.

True. They have something in common also. They're both most made up of fiction. laughing

NuclearWinter
EZEKIEL 35:2-15


"Son of man, set thy face against mount Se'ir (Jordan), and prophesy against it,"

"And say unto it, Behold, O Mount Se'ir (Jordan), I am against thee, and I will make thee most desolate."

"I will lay thy cities to waste, and thou shalt be desolate,"

"Because thou hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end:"

"Therefore, as I live, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee, sith thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee."

"Thus I will make mount Se'-ir (Jordan) most desolate, and cut off from it him that passeth out and him that returneth."

"And I will fill his mountains with his slain men: thy hills, and in thy valleys, and in all thy rivers, shall they fall that are slain with the sword."

"I will make thee perpetual desolations, and thy cities shall not return:"

"Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it;"

"Therefore, as I live, I will even do according to thine envy which thou hast used out of thy hatred against them; and I will make myself known among them, when I have judged thee."

"And that I have heard all thy blasphemies which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to consume."

"This with your mouth, ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them."

"When the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate."

"As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Se'-ir (Jordan), and all Id-u-me'-a (The country inhabited by the descendants of Edom in southern Israel and adjacent Jordan), even all of it:"


NOTE:

In relation to Id-u-me'-a: Id-u-me'-a was the name of a region between southern Palestine and the Arabian Petraea inhabited by Edom or Esau and his posterity.

A map showing the location of ancient Id-u-me'-a:

http://www.fsmitha.com/m1-image/map24jud.gif


In relation to mount Se'-ir: mount Se'-ir formed the south-east border of Edom and Judah, it may also echo the older historical border of Egypt and Canaan. It was the mountainous region allotted to the descendants of Esau, the Edomites.

NuclearWinter
EZEKIEL 26:2-21:


"Son of man, because that Ty'-rus (Lebanon) hath said against Jerusalem, Aha, she is broken that was the gates of the people: she is turned unto me: I shall be replenished, now she is laid waste:"

"Therefore, Behold, I am against thee, O Ty'-rus (Lebanon), and will cause many nations to come against thee, as the sea causeth his waves to come up."

"And they shall destroy the walls of Ty'-rus (Lebanon), and break down her towers: I will also scrape her dust from her, and make her like the top of a rock."

"It shall be a place for the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea: and it shall become a spoil to the nations."

"And her daughters which are in the field shall be slain by the sword,"

"Behold, I will bring upon Ty'-rus (Lebanon) Neb-u-chad-rez'-zar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people."

"He shall slay with the sword thy daughters in the field, and he shall make a fort against thee, and cast a mount against thee, and lift up the buckler against thee."

"And he shall set engines of war against thy walls, and with his axes he shall break down thy towers."

"By reason of the abundance of his horses their dust shall cover thee: thy walls shall shake at the noise of the horsemen, and of the wheels, of the chariots, when he shall enter into thy gates, as men enter into a city wherein is made a breach."

"With the hoofs of his horses shall he tread down all thy streets: he shall slay thy people by the sword, and thy strong garrisons shall go down to the ground."

"And they shall make a spoil of thy riches, and make a prey of thy merchandise: and they shall break down thy walls, and destroy thy pleasant houses: and they shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the water."

"And I will cause the noise of thy songs to cease; and the sound of thy harps shall be no more heard."

"And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more:"

"Shall not the isles shake at the sound of thy fall, when the wounded cry, when the slaughter is made in the midst of thee?"

"Then all the princes of the sea shall come down from their thrones, and lay away their robes, and put off their broidered garments: they shall clothe themselves with trembling: they shall sit upon the ground, and shall tremble at every moment, and be astonished at thee."

"And they shall take up a lamentation for thee, and say to thee, How art thou destroyed, that wast inhabited of seafaring men, the renowned city, which was strong in the sea, she and her inhabitants, which cause their terror to be on all that haunt it!"

"Now shall the isles tremble in the day of thy fall; yea, the isles that are in the sea shall be troubled at thy departure."

"When I shall make thee a desolate city like the cities that are not inhabited;"

"When I shall bring thee down with them that descend into the pit, with the people of old time, and shall set thee in the low parts of the earth, in places desolate of old, with them that go down to the pit, that thou be not inhabited; and I shall set glory in the land of the living;"

"I will make thee a terror, and thou shalt be no more: though thou be sought for, yet shalt thou never be found again."

In relation to Ty'-rus: Ty'-rus (also known as Tyre) is a city in the South Governorate of Lebanon. Tyre is an ancient Phoenician city and the legendary birthplace of Europa and Elissa (Dido). Today it is the fourth largest city in Lebanon and houses one of the nation's major ports known locally in French as Soûr.

A map of the location of Tyre, Lebanon:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d2/Map_of_Lebanon.png

A picture of the city of Tyre, Lebanon:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3121/3162234235_bdaf1b205c.jpg

In relation to Neb-u-chad-rez'-zar: Nebuchadnezzar II, also called King Nebuchadnezzar The Second, was a ruler of Babylon in the Chaldean Dynasty, who reigned c. 605 BC-562 BC. He is mentioned in the Book of Daniel, and he constructed the Hanging Gardens of Babylon. He conquered Judah and Jerusalem. He was traditionally called "Nebuchadnezzar the Great" (Daniel 1:1; Jeremiah 25:11). In contemporary Iraq and some other parts of the Middle East, he is glorified as a historic leader.

NuclearWinter
EZEKIEL 28:2-19


"Son of man, say unto the prince of Ty'-rus (Lebanon), Behold, I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations and they will draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness."

"They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas."

"Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Ty'-rus (Lebanon), and say unto him, thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty."

"By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire."

"I will cast thee to the ground, and I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee."

"I will bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee."

"All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more."

NuclearWinter
EZEKIEL 28:21-26


"Son of man, set thy face against Zi'don (Lebanon) and prophesy against it,"

"Behold, I am against thee, O Zi'don (Lebanon); and I will be glorified in the midst of thee: when I shall have executed judgments in her, and shall be sanctified in her."

"For I will send into her pestilence, and blood into her street; and the wounded shall be judged in the midst of her by the sword upon her on every side;"

"And there shall be no more a pricking brier unto the house of Israel, nor any grieving thorn of all that are round about them, that despised them;"

"When I shall have gathered the house of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the heathen, then shall they dwell in their land that I have given to my servant Jacob."

NOTE:

In relation to Zi'don (Sidon): Sidon is the third-largest city in Lebanon. It is located in the South Governorate of Lebanon, on the Mediterranean coast, about 40 km (25 mi) north of Tyre and 40 km (25 mi) south of the capital Beirut. Its name means a fishery. It is a city of 200,000 inhabitants mainly of the Muslim Sunni, Shiite, and Christian Greek Catholic and Maronite.

A picture of the city of Sidon, Lebanon:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/SidonNewCity.jpg/800px-SidonNewCity.jpg

A map of the location of Sidon, Lebanon:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Lebanon_location_map.svg/300px-Lebanon_location_map.svg.png

NuclearWinter
EZEKIEL 29:2-21:


"Son of man, set thy face against Pharaoh king of Egypt, and prophesy against him, and against all Egypt."

"And I will leave thee thrown into the wilderness, thee and all the fish of thy rivers: thou shalt fall upon the open fields; thou shalt not be brought together, nor gathered: I have given thee for meat to the beasts of the field and to the fowls of the heaven."

"When they took hol of thee by thy hand, thou didst break, and rend all their shoulder; and when they leaned upon thee, thou brakest, and madest all their loins to be at a stand."

"Therefore, Behold, I will bring a sword upon thee, and cut off man and beast out of thee."

"And the land of Egypt shall be desolate and waste;"

"Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Sy-e'-ne (a city in the south of Egypt) even unto the border of E-thi-o'-pia (a country situated in the Horn of Africa)."

"No foot of a man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years."

"And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries."

"Son of man, Neb-u-chad-rez'-zar king of Babylon caused his army to serve a great service against Ty'-rus (Lebanon): every head was made bald, and every shoulder was peeled: yet had no wages, nor his army, for Ty'rus (Lebanon), for the service that he had served against it."

"Therefore; Behold, I will give the land of Egypt unto Neb-u-chad-rez'-zar king of Babylon; and he shall take her multitude, and take her spoil, and take her prey; and it shall be the wages for his army."

"I have given him the land of Egypt for his labour wherewith he served against it, because they wrought for me,"

"In that day I will cause the horn of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give the house of Israel thee opening of the mouth in the midst of them;"


NOTE:

In relation to Egypt: Egypt is a country mainly in North Africa, with the Sinai Peninsula forming a land bridge in Western Asia. Covering an area of about 1,010,000 square kilometers (390,000 sq mi), Egypt borders the Mediterranean Sea to the north, the Gaza Strip and Israel to the northeast, the Red Sea to the east, Sudan to the south and Libya to the west.

Map of the location of Egypt:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/LocationEgypt.svg/800px-LocationEgypt.svg.png

In relation to Sy-e'-ne: Sy-e'-ne is a city in the south of Egypt. It stands on the east bank of the Nile at the first cataract and is a busy market and tourist center.

Picture of the city of Sy-e'-ne, Egypt:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/City_of_Aswan_seen_from_the_air.jpg

In relation to E-thi-o'-pia: E-thi-o'-pia is a landlocked country situated in the Horn of Africa. Ethiopia is bordered by Eritrea to the north, Sudan to the west, Kenya to the south, Somalia to the east and Djibouti to the northeast.

Map of the location of E-thi-o'-pia:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/LocationEthiopia.svg/800px-LocationEthiopia.svg.png

NuclearWinter
EZEKIEL 30:10-15:


"Thus; I will also make the multitude of Egypt to cease by the hand of Neb-u-chad-rez'-zar king of Babylon."

"He and his people with him, the terrible of the nations, shall be brought to destroy the land: and they shall draw their swords against Egypt, and fill the land with the slain."

"And I will make the rivers dry, and sell the land into the hand of the wicked: and I will make the land waste, and all that is therein, by the hand of strangers:"

"Thus; I will also destroy the idols, and I will cause their images to cease out of Noph (one of the most ancient and important cities of Egypt - It was the capital of Lower Egypt): and there shall be no more a prince of the land of Egypt: and I will put a fear in the land of Egypt."

"And I will make Path'ros (the name generally given to Upper Egypt - the Thebaid of the Greeks, as distinguished from Matsor, or Lower Egypt) desolate, and will set fire in Zo'an (a minor provincial town in the 12th century. But with the establishment of the 21st Dynasty under Smendes, the town is transformed into Egypt's capital, and its "renown" is established in succeeding centuries as the country's capital, from ca. 1069 to 727 BCE), and will execute judgments in No."

"And I will pour my fury upon Sin (previously a city in Egypt, called by the Greeks Pelusium), the strength of Egypt; and I will cut off the multitude of No."


NOTE:

In relation to Noph: Noph or Moph was the Hebrew name for the ancient Egyptian city of Memphis, which stood on the Nile near the site of modern-day Cairo. It is mentioned several times in the Hebrew Bible (Isaiah 19:13; Jeremiah 2:16; 44:1; 46:14, 19; Ezekiel. 30:13, 16).

A map of the location of Noph, Egypt (Modern day Memphis, Egypt):

http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~ancient/map1.gif

A picture of pyramids and ruins at Noph, Egypt:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/148/335296207_dbd2b0db79.jpg

In relation to Path'ros: Path'ros was a place located in Ancient Egypt. It is mentioned the Bible, in the Book of Jeremiah, chapter 44:1 and 15, Book of Isaiah 11: 11; Book of Ezekiel 29: 14; 30: 14. It is associated with Upper Egypt. Upper Egypt is a narrow strip of land that extends from the cataract section of Upper Egypt, between El-Ayait and Asyut is sometimes known as Middle Egypt.

A map showing the location of Upper Egypt:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Ancient_Egypt_map-en.svg/293px-Ancient_Egypt_map-en.svg.png

In relation to Zo'an: Zo'an is an ancient city in Egypt. Its remains are located in the Nile River delta. Zo'an is now part of modern day Tanis, Egypt.

A map of the location of Zo'an, (Tanis) Egypt:

http://kassevans.com/REL2011/images/mapEgypt.jpg

A picture of ancient ruins in Zo'an, (Tanis) Egypt:

http://www.phouka.com/tr/egypt//photos/tanis/pt/tanisAvenue03.jpg

In relation to Sin: Sin was a city in the eastern extremes of Egypt's Nile Delta, 30 km to the southeast of the modern Port Said.

NuclearWinter
EZEKIEL 30:16-26:


"And I will set fire in Egypt: Sin (previously a city in Egypt, called by the Greeks Pelusium), shall have great pain, and No shall be rent asunder, and Noph (a city of ancient Egypt, situated on that western bank of the Nile, about nine miles south of Cairo, and five from the great pyramids and the Sphinx) shall have distresses daily."

"The young men of A'-ven (a place in the lower part of Egypt that borders the land of Goshen) and Pi-be'-seth (a town of lower Egypt situated on the west bank of the Pelusiac branch of the Nile) shall fall by the sword: and these cities shall go into captivity."

"At Te-haph'-ne-hes (ancient city, NE Egypt, on Lake Manzala) also the day shall be darkened, when I shall break there the yokes of Egypt: and the pomp of her strength shall cease in her: as for her, a cloud shall cover her, and her daughters shall go into captivity."

"Thus will I execute judgments in Egypt:"

"And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the first month, in the seventh day of the month,"

"Son of man, I have broken the arm of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and will break his arms, the strong, and that which was broken; and I will cause the sword to fall out of his hand."

"And I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries."

"And I will srengthen the arms of the king of Babylon, and put my sword in his hand: but I will break Pharaoh's arms, and he shall groan before him with the groanings of a deadly wounded man."

"But I will strengthen the arms of the king of Babylon, and the arms of Pharaoh shall fall down; when I shall put my sword into the hand of the king of Babylon, and he shall stretch it out upon the land of Egypt."

"And I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and disperse them among the countries;"


NOTE:

In relation to Aven: In Ezekiel 30:17 Aven is generally believed to refer to ON, the city in Egypt called Heliopolis by the Greeks. Aven was one of the most ancient cities of Egypt, and capital of the 13th Lower Egyptian nome. The ancient city stood five miles (8 km) east of the Nile north of the apex of the Delta.

A map of the location of Heliopolis (Aven):

http://wysinger.homestead.com/egmap2.jpg

In relation to Pi-be'-seth: Pi-be'-seth was on the western bank of the Pelusiac branch of the Nile, about 40 miles North of Memphis, about 15 miles Northeast of On.

In relation to Te-haph'-ne-hes: Te-haph'-ne-hes was a city in Egypt located approx 18 miles (29 km) east southeast from Tanis.

A map of the location of Te-haph'-ne-hes (Modern day Tel Defenneh):

http://www.bibleorigins.net/MVC-108S.JPG

NuclearWinter
EZEKIEL 32:1-16


"Son of man, take up a lamentation for Pharaoh king of Egypt, and say unto him, Thou art like a young lion of the nations, and thou art as a whale in the sease: and thou camest forth with thy rivers, and troubledst the waters with thy feet, and fouledst their rivers."

"I will therefore spread out my net over thee with a company of many people; and they shall bring thee up in my net."

"Then I will leave thee upon the land, I will cast thee forth upon the open field, and will cause all the fowls of heaven to remain upon thee, and I will fill the beasts of the whole earth with thee."

"And I will lay thy flesh upon the mountains, and fill the valleys with thy height."

"I will also water with thy blood the land wherein thou swimmest, even to the mountains; and the rivers shall be full of thee."

"I will also vex the hearts of many people, when I shall bring thy destruction among the nations, into the countries which thou hast not known."

"Yea, I will make many people amazed at thee, and their kings shall be horribly afraid for thee, when I shall brandish my sword before them; and they shall tremble at every moment, every man for his own life, in the day of thy fall."

"The sword of Babylon shall come upon thee."

"By the swords of the mighty will I cause thy multitude to fall, the terrible of the nations, all of them: and they shall spoil the pomp of Egypt, and all the multitude thereof shall be destroyed."

"When I shall make the land of Egypt desolate, and the country shall be destitute of that whereof it was full, when I shall smite all them that dwell therein,"

"This is the lamentation wherewith they shall lament her: the daughters of the nations shall lament her: they shall lament for her, even for Egypt, and for all her multitude,"

NuclearWinter
EZEKIEL 32:18-32


"Son of man, wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, even her, and daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down into the pit."

"They shall fall in the midst of them that are slain by the sword: she is delivered to the sword: draw her and all her multitudes."

"The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie, slain by the sword."

"Assh'-ur (a city of the Assyrian Empire) is there and all her company: his graves are about him: all of them slain, fallen by the sword."

"Whose graves are set in the sides of the pit, and her company is round about her grave: all of them slain, fallen by the sword, which caused terror in the land of the living."

"There is E'-lam (the province lying south of Assyria and east of Persia proper, to which Herodotus gives the name of Cissia) and all her multitude round about her grave, all of them slain, fallen by the sword, which are gone down into the nether parts of the earth, which caused their terror in the land of the living; yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit."

"They have set her a bed in the midst of the slain with all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them slain by the sword: though their terror was caused in the land of the living, yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit: he is put in the midst of them that be slain."

"There is Me'-shech ( A son of Japheth who is said to be one of the sons of Noah in the Bible. In Arabic citations, his name is normally given as Yafeth ibn Nuh), Tu'-bal (A son of Japheth, who is said to be one of the sons of Noah in the Bible. In Arabic citations, his name is normally given as Yafeth ibn Nuh), and all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them slain by the sword, though they caused their terror in the land of the living."

"And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen, which are gone down with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living."

"Yea, thou shalt be broken in the midst, and shalt lie with them that are slain with the sword."

"There is E'-dom (An ancient country of Palestine between the Dead Sea and the Gulf of Aqaba), her kings, and all her princes, which with their might are laid by them that were slain by the sword: they shall lie with them that go down to the pit."

"There be the princes of the north, all of them, and all the Zi-'do-ni-ans (Lebanon), which are gone down with the slain; with their terror they are ashamed of their might; and they lie with them that be slain by the sword, and bear their shame with them that go down to the pit."

"Pharaoh shall see them, and shall be comforted over all his multitude, even Pharaoh and all his army slain by the sword,"

"For I have caused my terror in the land of the living: and he shall be laid in the midst of them that are slain with the sword, even Pharaoh and all his multitude."


NOTE:

In relation to Assh'-ur: Assh'-ur was an ancient religious capital of Assyria. It is located on the Tigris River, 60 mi (97 km) south of Mosul, Iraq. The name Ashur was applied to the city, to Assyria itself, and to Assyria's principal god. The capital's site was originally occupied c. 2500 BC.

A Map showing the location of the Assyrian Empire and the city of Assh'-ur (also known as Assur):

http://history-world.org/assyrianmap.jpg

In Relation to E'-lam: E'-lam was an ancient country of southwest Asia in present-day southwest Iran. It was established east of the Tigris River before 3000 b.c. and was known for its warlike people, traditionally thought to be descended from Noah's son Shem.

A Map of the location of the Elamite Heartland :

http://looklex.com/e.o/atlas/ill-maps/elam_heartland.gif

In relation to Me'-shech and Tu'-bal: Me'-shech and Tu'-bal were both said to be sons of the man Japheth who is said to be one of the sons of Noah in the Bible. In the Bible, Japheth is ascribed seven sons: Gomer, Magog, Tiras, Javan, Meshech, Tubal, and Madai. According to Josephus (Antiquities of the Jews I.6):

NuclearWinter
EZEKIEL 30:2-9


"Son of man, prophesy and say, Howl ye, Woe worth the day!"

"For the day is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen."

"And the sword shall come upon Egypt, and great pain shall be in E-thi-o'-pi-a, when the slain shall fall in Egypt, and they shall take away her multitude, and her foundations shall be broken down."

"E-thi-o'-pi-a, and Lib'-y-a, and Lyd'-i-a ((Also known as "Anatolia", which is a peninsula of Western Asia which forms the greater part of the Asian portion of Turkey), and all the mingled people, and Chub, and the men of the land that is in league, shall fall with them by the sword."

"They also that uphold Egypt shall fall; and the pride of her power shall come down: from the tower of Sy-e'-ne (a city in the south of Egypt). shall they fall in it by the sword,"

"They also that uphold Egypt shall fall; and the pride of her power shall come down from the tower of Sy-e'-ne (a city in the south of Egypt) shall they fall in it by the sword."

"And they shall be desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities shall be in the midst of the cities that are wasted."

'When I have set fire in Egypt, and when all her helpers shall be destroyed."

"In that day shall messengers go forth from me in ships to make the careless E-thi-o'-pi-ans afraid, and great pain shall come upon them, as in the day of Egypt: for, lo, it cometh."


NOTE:

In relation to E-thi-o'-pi-a: E-thi-o'-pi-a is a landlocked country situated in the Horn of Africa. Ethiopia is bordered by Eritrea to the north, Sudan to the west, Kenya to the south, Somalia to the east and Djibouti to the northeast. Its size is 1,100,000 km² with an estimated population of over 78,000,000. Its capital is Addis Ababa.

A map of the location of E-thi-o'-pi-a:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/LocationEthiopia.svg/800px-LocationEthiopia.svg.png

In relation to Lib'-y-a: Lib'-y-a is a country located in North Africa. Bordering the Mediterranean Sea to the north, Libya lies between Egypt to the east, Sudan to the southeast, Chad and Niger to the south, and Algeria and Tunisia to the west.

A map of the location of Lib'-y-a:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Libya_Locator.png/659px-Libya_Locator.png

In relation to Lyd'-i-a: Lyd'-i-a was an Iron Age kingdom of western Asia Minor located generally east of ancient Ionia in the modern Turkish provinces of Manisa and inland İzmir. Its population spoke an Anatolian language known as Lydian.

A map of the location of Lyd'-i-a:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Lydia_original_area_of_lydia.jpg

NuclearWinter
The final prophecies of Ezekiel/World War 3 that I will be posting involve the prophecies of The land of Gog/Magog. Now, there many theories of exactly where the land of Gog/Magog is really located, but I personally believe that Ezekiel was trying to describe China and Mongolia as we know them today.

One thing is absolutely made clear in the prophecies of Ezekiel about the land of Gog/Magog. And that is that of all the countries listed to be involved in World War 3 in the chapters of Ezekiel, no other country or countries appear to wield as much power as does the Lands of Gog/Magog. In fact, Ezekiel makes it very clear that countries like Persia (Iran) and others, will join this great army that comes out of the land of Gog/Magog in order to wreak destruction in the Middle-East.

In our modern day, there are only two countries that could fit the description of the army from the land of Gog/Magog which is to fill the entire Middle-East with soldiers. That would be the United States, and China. However, it is easy to see which one Ezekiel was talking about because even in our modern day, Persia (Iran) would not join forces with the United States against parts of the Middle-East.

Therefore, in my opinion, the only logical conclusion is that Ezekiel was describing the modern day Red Chinese/Mongolian Army when he referred to the "Lands of Gog/Magog".

NuclearWinter
The Qur'an also contains prophecies of World War 3 and the army from Gog/Magog.


The Qur'an:

A painting by Qasim, 16th century, illustrating the building of the wallGog and Magog appear in Qur'an sura Al-Kahf (The Cave), 18:83-98, as Yajuj and Majuj (Ya-juj/Ya-jewj and Ma-juj/Ma-jewj).

Some Muslim scholars contend that the Gog in Ezekiel verse 38:2 should be read Yajuj (there is a "Y immediately before Gog in the Hebrew version).

The verses state that "Dhul-Qarnayn (the one with two horns) travelled the world in three directions, until he found a tribe threatened by Gog and Magog, who were of an "evil and destructive nature" and "caused great corruption on earth."

"The people offered tribute in exchange for protection. Dhul-Qarnayn agreed to help them, but refused the tribute; he constructed a great wall that the hostile nations were unable to penetrate. They will be trapped there until doomsday, and their escape will be a sign of the end:"

“But when Gog and Magog are let loose and they rush headlong down every height (or advantage). Then will the True Promise draw near" - (Qur'an 21:96-97)

Some Muslim scholars including Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi and Tibri believe the Qur'anic Gog and Magog are intended to be the Mongols.

Sources note that Mogog may denote the Mongols, whose very name may be a corruption of Mogog. Indeed, Arab writers referred to the Great Wall of China as the “wall of al Mogog”.

The Mongols were a serious threat to Muslim power during the Middle Ages, attacking Muslim civilizations such as the Seljuq dynasty in Persia (Iran), and eventually destroying the Abbasid caliphate in Baghdad and the Khwarezmian Empire of Central Asia.

NuclearWinter
In the Alexander Romance:

The older accounts influenced the authors of the Alexander Romance, a late and romanticized account of Alexander the Great's conquests. According to the Romance, Alexander came to a northern land devastated by incursions from barbarian peoples, including Gog and Magog. Alexander defends the land by constructing the Gates of Alexander, an immense wall between two mountains that will stop the invaders until the end times.


Marco Polo:

In The Travels dictated by Marco Polo, Gog and Magog are regions of Tenduk, a province belonging to Prester John, and governed by one George, fourth in descent from the original John. According to this account Gog (locally Ung) is inhabited by a tribe called the Gog, whilst Magog (or Mongul) is inhabited by Tatars. This may imply that the author had heard of the Tartars of Mongolia and was multiplying their attributes and territories, as well as mixing in the Prester John legend.

Marco Polo thought that Gog and Magog were the Mongols. According to him, the native names were "Ung and Mungul"- the Gog lived in Ung, and the Tartars lived in Mungul.

NuclearWinter
The descendants of Magog settled to the far north of Israel, likely in Europe and northern Asia (Ezekiel 38:2). Magog seems to be used to refer to "northern barbarians" in general, The people of Magog are described as skilled warriors (Ezekiel 38:15; 39:3-9).

The word "mongolian" is frequently used to define the whole population of inner and northern Asia. The mongol is Japhetic in origin. In the Indian language the word "mongol" is "mongou"; sometimes the ending MGG or MNG is introduced. According to this tongue the words "mangul" and "magog" are one and the same.

The word Mongolian is one which is frequently used to denote the whole population of inner and northern Asia. At the outset we must carefully define a term like this. The type of race so often called in manuals of ethnology 'Mongolian'. let us designate the term 'Turanian'-the significance of which is co-extensive with the scriptural 'Japhetic.'....'Mongol' must be reserved as the title of that race which, however far afield it may since have wandered, issued from the territory distinctively designated "Mongolia.'"
Now the name Mongol and the name Magog are, with slight variations, identical. "Mongol" Mongou. In India "Mongol" became Mogh-ul--Mgg represents Mng, "Mongol" is "Magog."

NuclearWinter
EZEKIEL 38:2-12:


"Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Ma'-gog (China + Mongolia), the chief prince of Me'-shech (Son of Japheth who was the son of the biblical Noah) and Tu'bal (Son of Japheth who was the son of the biblical Noah), and prophesy against him."

"And say, Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Me'-Shech (Son of Japheth who was the son of the biblical Noah) and Tu'bal (Son of Japheth who was the son of the biblical Noah):"

"And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:"

"Persia (Iran), E-thi-o'-pi-a, and Lib'-y-a with them; all of them with shield and helmet."

"Go'mer (The eldest son of Japheth the son of Noah), and all his bands; the house of To-gar'mah (third son of Gomer, and grandson of Japheth) and Georgia (The people of Kartlos who was a son of To-gar'mah and the great grandson of the Biblical Japheth the son of Noah) of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee."

"Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them."

"After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them."

"Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee."

"Thus; it shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:"

"And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,"

"To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land."


NOTE:

In relation to Persia: Persia is another name for Iran and Iran was formerly known internationally as Persia until 1935. Iran is a country in Central Eurasia, located on the northeastern shore of the Persian Gulf and the southern shore of the Caspian Sea. Since 1949, "Persia" and "Iran" have been used interchangeably in cultural context, however, Iran is the name used officially in political context.

Iran has a population of over seventy million. It is a country of special geostrategic significance due to its central location in Eurasia. Iran is bordered on the north by Armenia, Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan. As Iran is a littoral state of the Caspian Sea, which is an inland sea and condominium, Kazakhstan and Russia are also Iran's direct neighbors to the north. Iran is bordered on the east by Afghanistan and Pakistan, on the south by the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman, and on the west by Turkey and Iraq.

Map of the location of Iran:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/LocationIran.png

In relation to Go'mer: Go'mer was the the eldest son of Japheth who was the son of the biblical Noah (and therefore Go'mer is of the Japhetic line), and father of Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah, according to the "Table of Nations" in the Hebrew Bible.

In relation to To-gar'mah: To-gar'mah is the third son of Gomer (Eldest son of Japheth who was a son of Noah), and grandson of Japheth, brother of Ashkenaz and Riphat. In Ezekiel 38:6 the northernmost house of Togarmah will follow Gog. Through Assyrian folk etymology it became Til-Garimu, now the site of Gürün, Turkey (pronounced Gürin by Armenian, without vowel harmony).

In relation to Georgia: Georgia is a transcontinental country in the South Caucasus region, located at the dividing line between Europe and Asia. It is bordered by the Russian Federation to the north, Azerbaijan to the east, Armenia to the south, and Turkey to the southwest. Georgians call themselves Kartvelebi, their land Sakartvelo, and their language Kartuli. According to legend, the ancestor of the Kartvelian people was Kartlos, one of the sons of To-gar'mah and also the great grandson of the Biblical Japheth who is the son of the biblical Noah. Kartvelian peoples are ethnic groups in southern Caucasus that speak South Caucasian languages. Georgia is one of the 4 main places that contains Kartvelian peoples.

A map of the location of Georgia:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Europe_location_GEO2.png/250px-Europe_location_GEO2.png

In relation to Turkey: Turkey is a Eurasian country that stretches across the Anatolian peninsula in western Asia and Thrace (Rumelia) in the Balkan region of southeastern Europe. Turkey is bordered by eight countries: Bulgaria to the northwest; Greece to the west; Georgia to the northeast; Armenia, Azerbaijan (the exclave of Nakhichevan) and Iran to the east; and Iraq and Syria to the southeast. The Mediterranean Sea and Cyprus are to the south; the Aegean Sea and Archipelago are to the west; and the Black Sea is to the north.

Map of the location of Turkey:

http://anatolianworld.com/images/Turkey-map.jpg

NuclearWinter
EZEKIEL 38:12-22:


"She'-ba (kingdom in Ethiopia or Yemen), and De'-dan (settlemen on the north-west coast of the Persian Gulf), and the merchants of Tar'-shish (a city of southern Asia Minor), with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?"

"Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, in that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou know it?"

"And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:"

"And thou shalt come against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes."

"Thus; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?"

"And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, that my fury shall come up in my face."

"And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains: every man's sword shall be against his brother."

"And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, and overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone."

In relation to She'-ba: She'-ba was a southern kingdom mentioned in the Jewish scriptures (Old Testament) and the Qur'an. The actual location of the historical kingdom is disputed between southern Arabia and the Horn of Africa; the kingdom may have been situated in either present-day Ethiopia or present-day Yemen, or both.

A map showing the location of She'-ba:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Middle_East_Shem-Ham.jpg/670px-Middle_East_Shem-Ham.jpg

In relation to De'-dan: De'-dan is a roster of the trading partners of the city of Tyre (today in modern Lebanon), where Dedan is noted as a nation or kingdom which traded in saddle blankets (Ezekiel 27:20). The oasis kingdom is also mentioned in the the prophetic vision of the war of Gog and Magog (Ezekiel 38; see also, Revelation 20:8 ), and appears to be a nation of significance in this end-times prophecy of Ezekiel. In Ezekiel 38:13, Dedan is joined with Sheba, and "Tarshish and all her strong lions", all these nations joining together to inquire of the advancing armies of Gog. De'-dan is now known as modern day Al Ula in northern Saudi Arabia. The Al-`Ula oasis some 110 km southwest of Tayma (380 km north of Medina) in northwestern Arabia was located at the incense route. It was the capital of the ancient Lihyanites (Dedanites).

A map showing the location of De'-dan (Now modern day Al-Ula), Saudi Arabia:

http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/middle-east/saudi-arabia/map_of_saudi-arabia.jpg

In relation to Tar'-shish: Tar'-shish (also known as Tarsus) is a city, and a large district, in Mersin Province, Turkey, 15 km (9 mi) from the city of Mersin and near (40 km) to the city of Adana. With a history going back over 9,000 years Tarsus has long been an important stop for traders, a focal point of many civilisations including the Ancient Romans when Tarsus was capital of the province of Cilicia, scene of the first meeting between Mark Antony and Cleopatra and birthplace of Saint Paul.

A map showing the location of Tar'-shish (Tarsus), Turkey:

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/travel/dg/maps/87/750x750_87a3fde28d645b708c781278fb6c9638.gif

In relation to Saudi Arabia: Saudi Arabia is an Arab country and the largest country of the Arabian Peninsula. It is bordered by Jordan on the northwest, Iraq on the north and northeast, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, and the United Arab Emirates on the east, Oman on the southeast, and Yemen on the south. The Persian Gulf lies to the northeast and the Red Sea to its west.

A map showing the location of Saudi Arabia:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/LocationSaudiArabia.svg/800px-LocationSaudiArabia.svg.png

NuclearWinter
EZEKIEL 39:1-10:


"THEREFORE, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Me'-shech (Son of Japheth who was the son of the biblical Noah) and Tu'bal (Son of Japheth who was the son of the biblical Noah):"

"And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:"

"And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand."

"Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured."

"Thou shalt fall upon the open field:"

"And I will send a fire on Ma'-gog (China + Mongolia), and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles:"

"Behold it is come and it is done"

"And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:"

"So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them."

NuclearWinter
EZEKIEL 39:10-20:


"And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it the valley of Ha'-mon-gog."

"And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying them, that they may cleanse the land."

"Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified,"

"And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search."

"And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Ha'-mon-gog."

"And also the name of the city shall be Ha-mo'-nah. Thus shall they cleanse the land."

"And, thou son of man; speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood."

"Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Ba'-shan (a country that extended from Gilead in the south to Hermon in the north, and from the Jordan river on the west to Salcah on the east)."

"And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you."

"Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war."


NOTE:

In relation to Ha-mo'-nah: Ha-mo'-nah is a name figuratively assigned to the place in which the slaughter and burial of the forces of Gog were to take place (Ezek 39:16).

In relation to Ba'-shan: Ba'-shan is a biblical place first mentioned in Genesis 14:5, where it is said that Chedorlaomer and his confederates "smote the Rephaim in Ashteroth," where Og the king of Bashan had his residence. At the time of Israel's entrance into the Promised Land, Og came out against them, but was utterly routed (Numbers 21:33-35; Deuteronomy 3:1-7). This country extended from Gilead (in modern day Jordan) in the south to Hermon (On the border of modern day Syria and Lebanon) in the north, and from the Jordan river (a river in Southwest Asia) on the west to Salcah (a Syrian city in the As Suwayda governorate, southern Syria) on the east.

A picture of the Jordan river (One of the borders of Ba'-shan):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4e/Jordan_River_2.jpg/256px-Jordan_River_2.jpg

NuclearWinter
EZEKIEL 39:20-29:


"And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them."

"So the house of Israel shall know from that day and forward."

"And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword."

"According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them."

"Therefore; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my name;"

"After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid."

"When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;"

"Which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there."

"Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel."

NuclearWinter
DANIEL 8:20-26:


"The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Me'-di-a (the areas of present day Kurdistan, Hamedan, Tehran, Azarbaijan, north of Esfahan and Zanjan in Iran) and Persia (Iran)."

"And the rough goat is the king of Gre'-ci-a (Greece): and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king."

"Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power."

"And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up."

"And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the people."

"And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand."

In relation to Me'-di-a: Me'-di-a was an Iranian Empire which stretched from the southern shore of the Black Sea and Aran province (the modern-day Republic of Azerbaijan) to north and Central Asia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, and which included many tributary states, including the Persians, who eventually supplanted and absorbed the Median empire in the Achaemenid Persian Empire.

A map of the location of the Empire of Me'-di-a:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Median_Empire.svg/800px-Median_Empire.svg.png

In relation to Gre'-ci-a: Gre'-ci-a translated means Greece, the country, and Greece being named after the Goddess of beauty from the Roman Empire. Greece is a country in southeastern Europe, situated on the southern end of the Balkan Peninsula. It has borders with Albania, the Republic of Macedonia and Bulgaria to the north, and Turkey to the east. The Aegean Sea lies to the east and south of mainland Greece, while the Ionian Sea lies to the west. Both parts of the Eastern Mediterranean basin feature a vast number of islands, islets and rock islands.

A map showing the location of Gre'-ci-a (Greece):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Location_Greece_EU_Europe.png/721px-Location_Greece_EU_Europe.png

NuclearWinter
DANIEL 11:2-13:


"And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia (Iran): and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Gre'-ci-a (Greece)."

"And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will."

"And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those."

"And the king of the south shall be strong, and one of his princes; and he shall be strong above him, and have dominion; his dominion shall be a great dominion."

"And in the end of years they shall join themselves together; for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement: but she shall not retain the power of the arm; neither shall he stand, nor his arm: but she shall be given up, and they that brought her, and he that begat her, and he that strengthened her in these times."

"But out of a branch of her roots shall one stand up in his estate, which shall come with an army, and shall enter into the fortress of the king of the north, and shall deal against them, and shall prevail:"

"And shall also carry captives into Egypt their gods, with their princes, and with their precious vessels of silver and of gold; and he shall continue more years than the king of the north."

"So the king of the south shall come into his kingdom, and shall return into his own land."

"But his sons shall be stirred up, and shall assemble a multitude of great forces: and one shall certainly come, and overflow, and pass through: then he shall return, and be stirred up, even to his fortress."

"And the king of the south shall be moved with choler, and shall come forth and fight with him, even with the king of the north: and he shall set forth a great multitude; but the multitude shall be given into his hand."

"And when he hath taken away the multitude, his heart shall be lifted up; and he shall cast down many ten thousands: but he shall not be strengthened by it."

"For the king of the north shall return, and shall set forth a multitude greater than the former, and shall certainly come after certain years with a great army and with much riches."

NuclearWinter
DANIEL 11:13-26:


"And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall."

"So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and take the most fenced cities: and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people, neither shall there be any strength to withstand."

"But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed."

"He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him."

"After this shall he turn his face unto the isles, and shall take many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him."

"Then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found."

"Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days shall he be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle."

"And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries."

"And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant."

"And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people."

"He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time."

"And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him."

"Yea, they that feed of the portion of this meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain."

NuclearWinter
DANIEL 11:26-35:


"And both these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed."

"Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land."

"At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter."

"For the ships of Chit'-tim (The islands and coasts of the Mediterranean and the races that inhabit them) shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant."

"And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate."

"And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but people shall be strong, and do exploits."

"And they that understand among the people shall instruct man: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days."

"Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries."

"And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed."


NOTE:

In relation to Chit'-tim: Chit'-tim was the name of the area that originally designated the Phoenicians only, although it came latterly to be used as a name for all of the islands and various settlements on the sea-coasts which they had occupied, and then eventually as a name for the people who succeeded them when the Phoenician power decayed. Hence it designates generally the islands and coasts of the Mediterranean and the races that inhabit them. The Mediterranean Sea is a sea off the Atlantic Ocean surrounded by the Mediterranean region and almost completely enclosed by land: on the north by Europe and Turkey, on the south by Africa, and on the east by the Levant.

A map of The Mediterranean Sea as well as its islands and coasts:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Mediterranean_Sea_political_map-en.svg/800px-Mediterranean_Sea_political_map-en.svg.png

NuclearWinter
DANIEL 11:36-45:


"And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above ever god, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done."

"Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all."

"And at the time of them end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over."

"He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom (An ancient country of Palestine between the Dead Sea and the Gulf of Aqaba), and Moab (mountainous strip of land in Jordan), and the chief of the children of Ammon (an area east of the Jordan river)."

"He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape."

"But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Lib'-y-ans and the E-thi-o'-pians shall be at his steps."

"But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many."

"And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him."

Jack Daniels
I am so glad nuke didnt leave us....I been gone for a few weeks but I have so much to keep me going now...I love kmc!!!!!woohoo!!!!!

NuclearWinter
Originally posted by Jack Daniels
I am so glad nuke didnt leave us....I been gone for a few weeks but I have so much to keep me going now...I love kmc!!!!!woohoo!!!!!

Glad to see you back Jack.

NuclearWinter
REVELATIONS 6:4-8:

"And there went another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword."

"And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."


REVELATIONS 9:16:

"And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand (200,000,000): and I heard the number of them."

NuclearWinter
REVELATIONS 11:3-10:


"And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

"And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them."

"And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom (one of a group of five towns in the Biblical Pentapolis region also collectively referred to as "the Cities of the Plain"wink and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified."

"And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves."

"And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth."


NOTE:

In relation to Sodom: According to the Old Testament Biblical book of Genesis, Sodom and Gomorrah were two cities in the Bible which were destroyed by God. For the sins of their inhabitants Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim were destroyed by "brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven" (Genesis 19:24-25). In Christianity and Islam, their names have become synonymous with impenitent sin, and their fall with a proverbial manifestation of God's wrath (Jude 1:7,) Qur'an. Sodom was one of a group of five towns, the Pentapolis (Wisdom 10:6): Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, Zeboim, and Bela -- also called Zoar (Genesis 19:22). The Pentapolis region is also collectively referred to as "the Cities of the Plain" (Genesis 13:12) since they were all sited on the plain of the River Jordan, in an area that constituted the southern limit of the lands of the Canaanites (Genesis 10:19).

An illustration of the Destruction of the city of Sodom:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/John_Martin_-_Sodom_and_Gomorrah.jpg/800px-John_Martin_-_Sodom_and_Gomorrah.jpg

NuclearWinter
REVELATIONS 17:12-14:


"And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."

"These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast."

"These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."


REVELATIONS 19:11-21:


"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war."

"His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself."

"And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron:"

"And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

"And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army."

"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

"And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh."

NuclearWinter
THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS PREDICTIONS


The Dead Sea Scrolls are ancient texts stored in earthen jars and hidden in desert caves for centuries until discovered in 1947. A great apocalyptic scroll found among the Dead Sea library is called the War Scroll. It depicts, in a prophetic way, great conflict between the forces of good (the Sons of Light) and the forces of evil (the Sons of Darkness) at the end of the age. While a series of fierce battles is predicted, the battles themselves are not actually described.

Instead, the bulk of the document is a vivid description of liturgical praise. At the heart of it there is no fighting at all, but participation in a great liturgical ceremony, with trumpets, standards, and shining armor. In the final analysis, the battle is won by praise, by personal purity, by a noble state of mind. The longest of all the texts in the Dead Sea library is The Temple Scroll. The Temple Scroll represents the dream of a new spiritual center, in the heart of Jerusalem, beaming light to all the world, yet existing, for the time-being, only in minds of the sect called the Essenes.

NuclearWinter
THE BIBLE CODE:


In The Bible Code, "Syria" is encoded with "World War".

It is the country that stands out, because it is not expected.

"Russia", "China" and "USA" all also appear with "World War" in the Bible Code. But they are the three superpowers most likely to be inolved. "Syria" is the surprise.

The words "Syria", "Russia", "China" and "USA" all apear next to the words "World War" in the Bible Code.

"Iran" and "Libya" are also encoded next to the words "Syria" and "World War".

"Atomic Holocaust appears in the Bible Code. "World War" also appears in the same place.

NuclearWinter
THE BIBLE CODE:


The following words can be found encoded together in The Bible Code:

"Joel", "Ezekiel", "Magog", "War", "Vatic" "Apocalyptic", "Premonitory", "Prophetic", "registered", "written", "recorded","Israel", "Egypt", "Jordan", "Ethiopia", "tribesofEphraim", "Manasseh", "Reuben", "Libya", "Russia","China", "USA", "Japan", "Hawaii", "lion", "grizzlybear", "vulture", "eagle", "leopard", "panther", "tiger", "extermination", "destruction", "extinction", "annihilation", "ransack", "vaporize" "evaporate", and "steam".


NOTE:

In relation to Joel: Joel was the name of a descendant of the Biblical Reuben who was a son of the Biblical Jacob (son of the Biblical Isaac).

In relation to the "tribesofEphraim": The "tribesofEphraim" were an Israelite Tribe founded by a man named Ephraim, who was a son of the Biblical Joseph and who was the eleventh son of the Biblical Jacob (son of the Biblical Isaac).

In relation to Manasseh: Manasseh was the other son of the Biblical Joseph (Son of the Biblical Jacob who was the son of the Biblical Isaac). Manasseh was also the founder of the The Tribe of Mannaseh which was one of the Tribes of Israel.

In relation to Reuben: Reuben was the first (eldest) son of the Biblical Jacob (Son of the Biblical Isaac), and the founder of the Israelite Tribe of Reuben in the Book of Genesis.

In relation to Japan: Japan is an island nation in East Asia. Located in the Pacific Ocean, it lies to the east of the Sea of Japan, People's Republic of China, North Korea, South Korea and Russia, stretching from the Sea of Okhotsk in the north to the East China Sea and Taiwan in the south. Japan comprises over 3,000 islands making it an archipelago. The four largest islands are Honshū, Hokkaidō, Kyūshū and Shikoku, together accounting for 97% of Japan's land area. Most of the islands are mountainous, many volcanic; for example, Japan’s highest peak, Mount Fuji, is a volcano.

A map of the location of Japan:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/LocationMapJapan.png

In relation to Hawaii: Hawaii is a state in the United States, located on an archipelago in the central Pacific Ocean southwest of the continental United States, southeast of Japan, and northeast of Australia.

A map of the location of Hawaii:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Hawaii_Islands2.png

NuclearWinter
THE BIBLE CODE:


The following words can be found encoded together in The Bible Code:

"Pestilence", "Earthquake", "Poison", "Annihilation", "Destruction", "ruination", "devastation", "rocket", "projectile", "missile", "Babylon", and "China".


NOTE:

The term Babylon could be used to either describe the modern day countries of Iraq or the United States. So this is a code for what looks to be a potential germ warfare attack on one of the two of those places.

Another possibility is that this code could be describing a germ warfare attack on China from the United States. This is because it is highly unlikely that any such attack on China would originate from the country of Iraq.

NuclearWinter
Here is what the Hopi Indians have prophesized about World War 3:


Emergence to the Fifth World:


"The end of all Hopi ceremonialism will come when a Kachina removes his mask during a dance in the plaza before uninitiated children. For a while there will be no more ceremonies, no more faith. Then Oraibi will be rejuvenated with its faith and ceremonies, marking the start of a new cycle of Hopi life. "World War III will be started by those peoples who first revealed the light (the divine wisdom or intelligence) in the other old countries (India, China, Islamic Nations, Africa). The United States will be destroyed, land and people, by atomic bombs and radioactivity. Only the Hopis and their homeland will be preserved as an oasis to which refugees will flee. Bomb shelters are a fallacy. "It is only materialistic people who seek to make shelters. Those who are at peace in their hearts already are in the great shelter of life. There is no shelter for evil."

Those who take no part in the making of world division by ideology are ready to resume life in another world, be they Black, White, Red, or Yellow race. They are all one, brothers. "The war will be 'a spiritual conflict with material matters. Material matters will be destroyed by spiritual beings who will remain to create one world and one nation under one power, that of the Creator.' "That time is not far off. It will come when the Saquasohuh (Blue Star) Kachina dances in the plaza and removes his mask. He represents a blue star, far off and yet invisible, which will make its appearance soon."

The time is foretold by a song sung during the Wuwuchim ceremony. It was sung in 1914 just before World War I, and again in 1940 before World War II, describing the disunity, corruption, and hatred contaminating Hopi rituals, which were followed by the same evils spreading over the world. This same song was sung in 1961 during the Wuwuchim ceremony. "The Emergence to the future Fifth World has begun."

"The Fourth World shall end soon, and the Fifth World will begin. This the elders everywhere know. The Signs over many years have been fulfilled, and so few are left. "This is the First Sign: We were told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana -- men who took the land that was not theirs and who struck their enemies with thunder. (Guns) "This is the Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of spinning wheels filled with voices. (Covered wagons) "This is the Third Sign: A strange beast like a buffalo but with great long horns, will overrun the land in large numbers." (Longhorn cattle)

"This is the Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron. (Railroad tracks) "This is the Fifth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web. (Power and telephone lines) "This is the Sixth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun. (Concrete roads and their mirage-producing effects.) "This is the Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it. (Oil spills) "This is the Eighth Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like our people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn our ways and wisdom. (Hippies) "And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of the Hopi people will cease."

"These are the Signs that great destruction is here: The world shall rock to and fro. The white man will battle people in other lands -- those who possessed the first light of wisdom. There will be many columns of smoke and fire such as the white man has made in the deserts not far from here. Those who stay and live in the places of the Hopi shall be safe. Then there will be much to rebuild. And soon, very soon afterward, Pahana will return. He shall bring with him the dawn of the Fifth World. He shall plant the seeds of his wisdom in our hearts. Even now the seeds are being planted. These shall smooth the way to the Emergence into the Fifth
World."

"According to prophecy, the day will come when people in high places will be hunted. This will get out of control. The hunting will gather strength and spread. This situation might even erupt on our land. Finally, this will lead us to the Biblical version of Armageddon (the Hopi version is closely related). A final decisive battle between good and evil. This will occur under one God or Chief. The prophets say we will speak one language and that this will happen in Hopiland, in the village of Oraibi , where the new life plan will be drawn, in the pattern and cycle of religion. Here also a final decision will be made for the wicked. They will be beheaded and speak no more. If this does not materialize there will be a total destruction through the acts of man or nature."

"This prophecy is related to the Biblical version of that which may yet come to pass. It goes on to say that common people will become concerned and frustrated because of their hectic world. They will be particularly against the bloodthirsty policies and the deceitfulness of the world leaders. The common people the world over will band together to fight for world peace. They will realize that their leaders have failed. People in high places will be hunted down like animals, perhaps through terrorism. In turn leaders will retaliate and begin hunting each other. This condition will gather strength and spread far and wide. It will get out of control the world over. Revolution could erupt on our land. "The liberators will come in from the west with great force. They will drop down from the sky like rain. They will have no mercy. We must not get on the house tops to watch. They will shake us by our ears, like children who have been bad. This will be the final decisive battle between good and evil. This battle will cleanse the heart of people and restore our Mother Earth from illness, and the wicked will be gotten rid of. "If this fails to materialize, our Great Creator through nature will do the task according to their plans. It could be total destruction in any form."

NuclearWinter
"Eventually a gourd full of ashes would be invented, which, if dropped from the sky, would boil the oceans and burn the land causing nothing to grow for many years. This would be the sign for a certain Hopi to bring out the teachings in order to warn the world that the third and final event would happen soon and could bring an end to all life unless people correct themselves and their leaders in time. "The final stage, called The Great Day of Purification, has been described as a Mystery Egg in which the forces of the Swastika and the Sun plus a third force symbolized by the color red culminate either in total rebirth or total annihilation; we don't know which. But the choice is yours; war and natural catastrophe may be involved. The degree of violence will be determined by the degree of inequity caused among the peoples of the world and in the balance of nature. In this crisis rich and poor will be forced to struggle as equals in order to survive. "

"It is known that our True White Brother, when he comes, will be all powerful and will wear a red cap or red cloak. He will be large in population and belong to no religion but his very own. He will bring with him the sacred stone tablets. With him there will be two great ones, both very wise and powerful. One will have a symbol or sign of the swastika, which represents purity and is Female, a producer of life. The third one or the second one of the two helpers to our True White Brother will have a sign of a symbol of the sun. He, too, will be many people and very wise and powerful. We have in our sacred Kachina ceremonies a gourd rattle which is still in use today with these symbols of these powerful helpers of our True Brother. It is also prophesied that, if these three fail to fulfill their mission, then the one from the west will come like a big storm. He will be many in numbers and unmerciful. When he comes he will cover the land like the red ants and overtake this land in one day."

"Today I call upon all of us, from right here at home, Hotevilla, where we too are guilty of gossiping and causing divisions even among our own families, out to the entire world where thievery, war, and lying go on every day. These divisions will not be our salvation. Wars only bring more wars, never peace. Only by joining together in a Spiritual Peace with love in our hearts for one another, love in our hearts for the Great Spirit and Mother Earth, shall we be saved from the terrible Purification Day which is just ahead."

"The Forces of Purification We have teachings and prophecies informing us that we must be alert for the signs and omens which will come about to give us courage and strength to stand on our beliefs. Blood will flow. Our hair and our clothing will be scattered upon the earth. Nature will speak to us with its mighty breath of wind. There will be earthquakes and floods causing great disasters, changes in the seasons and in the weather, disappearance of wildlife, and famine in different forms. There will be gradual corruption and confusion among the leaders and the people all over the world, and wars will come about like powerful winds. All of this has been planned from the beginning of creation. We will have three people standing behind us, ready to fulfill our prophecies when we get into hopeless difficulties: the Moha Symbol (which refers to a plant that has a long root, milky sap, grows back when cut off, and has a flower shaped like a swastika, symbolizing the four great forces of nature in motion), the Sun Symbol, and the Red Symbol. Bahanna's intrusion into the Hopi way of life will set the Moha symbol in motion, so that the four great forces of nature (the four directions, the controlling forces, the original force) will rock the world into war. When this happens we will know that our prophecies are coming true. We will gather strength and stand firm. This great movement will fall, but because its subsistence is milk, and because it is controlled by the four forces of nature, it will rise again to put the world in motion, creating another war, in which both the Moha and the Sun Symbol will be at work. (To the swastika-like Moha -Germany- in conjunction with the Rising Sun -Japan-) Then it will rest in order to rise a third time. Our prophecy foretells that the third event will be the decisive one."

"The third and last, which will it bring forth, purification or destruction? The third event will depend upon the Red Symbol, which will take command, setting the four forces of nature (Moha) in motion for the benefit of the Sun."

"Now at this second meeting with Massau'u, he told us that within the life of this current world, there would be three phases of life where the whole world would be shaken up. Three nations would rise up and shake the world. This we interpret to mean world wars. Now up at the left side we see a symbol. This is what is painted on the Hopi ceremonial rattles that are given to children. The rattle symbolizes the world. The painting on the rattle shows the symbols of the countries that would shake the world three times. I think that the swastika in the middle symbolizes the German people, who had that for a symbol. They brought the United States into the First and Second World Wars. The sun symbol signifies the Japanese people who brought the United States into the Second World War. Pasivaya, an old religious leader from Shipaulovi, told me that the third nation to rise up would have its national symbols in red. The people would wear red caps or red robes. The world has been shaken up twice already. There is one more war left."

"If you, the nations of this Earth, create another great war, the Hopi believe we humans will burn ourselves to death with ashes."

"Hopi prophecy states that World War III will be started by the people who first received the Light -- China, Palestine, India and Africa. When the war comes, the United States will be destroyed by "gourds of ashes" which will fall to the ground, boiling the rivers and burning the earth, where no grass will grow for many years, and causing a disease that no medicine can cure. This can only mean nuclear or atomic bombs; no other weapon causes such effects. Bomb shelters will be useless, for Those who are at peace in their hearts already are in the Great Shelter of Life."

NuclearWinter
Here is the prophecy of some kind of missile attack on the Western United States (The California Region) by a spaniard named A. C. Valdez:


"In 1929 I was preaching in Vancouver, British Columbia. I had gone to the 6th Avenue Church that seats 1,000 people. The old building is gone now. I sat down on the platform, and looked down on the congregation for the Sunday morning service. There were 18 people. I had crossed the continent, from Los Angeles, to get to that meeting. Eighteen people in my first service. My first thought was, My Lord and my God, the nerve, asking me to come across the country to stand here in front of eighteen people. Now, that was my first thought. Now, I no sooner thought that, when God spoke to my heart and said, "Son, I want you to comfort these people." They needed comfort. Brother, he gave me the capacity to comfort them. I started preaching comforting words. If I had given way to the human, I would have skinned them alive, and tacked their hides up on the wall. People in a condition like that don't need a skinning, they need comfort. God helped me. He poured in the oil and the wine. He helped me to comfort those people. They began to cry all over the place, as they needed comfort, the tears began to stream down their cheeks. They had gone through a terrible trial in that city. And the name of "Pentecost" was in the newspapers of that city, and it wasn't very good. The things that they had put into the newspapers were enough to keep most anybody away. I had eighteen people on the inside, and thousands on the outside. God began to work and the Spirit began to come forth."

"By the following Sunday the place was well filled. The Holy Ghost began to bring them in. By the end of the third week they had to take down the partition that separated the coat room from the main auditorium to put more seats in that auditorium that seated a thousand. It packed out. They packed the place, standing up and down the winding stairs, and outside of the church building and out into the street. The Glory of God came down. Souls began to get saved and the sick were healed. We had a glorious victory of the world of the flesh and the devil. The ministers were so happy. They said, "Lord, in spite of that death, you've given us victory." Right in the middle of that victory, I stood in 6th Avenue Church one day with the power of God on me. All of a sudden, the ceiling just disappeared. Now when I say vision, my friends, I know that some visions are what the Bible calls "night visions", like in a dream. You will find that in the Bible. Dreams are also called visions. Generally speaking, a vision is differentiated by what you see with your eyes open. That which you see when you are not asleep. I began to see this vision and the Lord showed me. I looked up, I saw what answers to the description of an I.C.B.M. (Inter-continental Ballistic Missile). Just as real as any picture that you would see, or the real thing, if you've ever seen one of those missiles. It was just as real as you would look upon one if it were right in front of you, two or three feet away."

"I saw it! It was passing over a skim of clouds. Not heavy clouds, but a thin skim of clouds. I was standing on the side of this mountain, a residential district. I was looking over into a bay area. It would appear like I was in Berkeley, if you've ever been to Berkeley, and the Berkeley Hills. I was looking into the bay area toward San Francisco. The San Francisco Bay region, that direction. I saw the freeway. I don't say that it was the Oakland freeway that is there today. I don't know where it was, my friends. I do know this, that I was standing on the side of this mountain, overlooking a huge metropolis. When I saw this missile directed toward the city, and suddenly, being electronically controlled no doubt, it plummeted right down into the city and then exploded. Then I saw the fireball, which answers to the description of what I have seen in a civil defense film release of the first Hydrogen bomb explosion. This happened in 1929! Yet I saw it as clear as I see you here tonight. There was a purpose in it. I have been warning people ever since, that this thing is coming. As the day approaches, my friends, I feel more vibrant than ever before. I have got to bear testimony to what I saw with my eyes! I have got to warn God's people that they must live in the Spirit, and walk in the Spirit and be filled with the Spirit, if they want God's protection in these last days! I saw this thing blossom out in all of its beautiful colors. Did you ever see a picture of it? It's a beautiful sight, but a horrible sight. All of the colors of the rainbow you can see in that big ball as it swells out. Then the pressure that it creates following the explosion. It demolishes everything before it. It leaves a crater over 300 feet deep and over 2 miles across. It is capable of destroying a huge metropolis the size of New York City in one blast. Even though there were no freeways in 1929, I saw freeways. I saw them run and jump in their cars to escape, but there was no escape!"

"I saw the aftermath of this explosion. I saw all of the detail. The Spirit of the Lord picked me up. Like St. Paul, whether in the body or out of the body, I don't know. All I know is, my friends, that God took me, and whisked me across that area where the bomb hit in the midst of that huge metropolis. There was nothing left. The center where it struck was molten, like molten glass. It wasn't until I was carried away beyond the residential area that I began to see any sign of debris. Finally, I came to what looked similar to snow or sand drifts piled up against the fences and buildings. I saw piles of iron, like broom straw, only much finer than broom straw. It was in piles, and in patterns. Everything completely destroyed! Finally, way, way out, beyond what I felt was the residential area, I began to find signs of human beings, only in pieces. Torsos, heads, hands, arms and legs. They were scattered around everywhere! The Spirit of the Lord carried me out further. I began to find signs of life. People were running. Everybody was blind. I didn't know in 1929 that if you are 35 miles away from the explosion and you happened to be looking in that direction you would never see again. I didn't know that at that time. Everybody was blind, my friends; they were running and screaming and bumping up against this and that and the other, bouncing back, children blind and screaming, and crying out for their parents, and parents for their children."

"The farther I went the more the confusion, and the cries increased! My friends, even tonight, while I am speaking to you, I can hear those cries! I can hear those cries, children and parents screaming out for one another! It was a terrible sight to behold! If I were to live ten-thousand years I know I could just close my eyes, and hear those screams, and see the terror that was written all over the faces of parents and children! A terrible sight indeed! (NOTE: After seeing this destruction, he then sees another people. He does not understand what he is seeing, but these are the people that "Escape to a Dwelling Place of Zion". He is in truth, seeing an end time vision, surely given to him by Jah.) Then, my friends, the Spirit of the Lord took me, oh, I wonder how fast I was going. I could see the mountains and the hills just passing before me. I came sweeping down over a large valley. In the distance, I could see as I began to approach, a body of people that looked like tens of thousands. I don't know how many were there. It was a sea of people. Long before I got there I could see, as I came down closer, I could discern them. They had their handkerchiefs, they were wiping their tears from their eyes."

"Then for the first the first time, I began to hear heavenly anthems. Heavenly anthems, I could hear the Hallelujahs in bass, in tenor, in soprano and in alto voices blending together. That mass of humanity were lifted together by the heavenly music. I came right down in the midst of them. There they were, God's people. This is what I saw, friends. They were all dressed up like they were ready for the Sunday service. Their hair was parted, nothing was disturbed. There was no soil on their shirts, they were cared for so perfectly that everything was in order. Their faces were clean, their clothing was clean. Everything was in order. The only word that you could use to describe them would be meticulous! Glory to God! It is going to be a marvelous thing to be in the hands of God in these last days! Glory to God! What a wonderful thing to be in the hands of God! I say that God is going to protect His people in these last days IF! . . . they live in the Spirit, and walk in the Spirit and keep filled with the Spirit!"

NuclearWinter
Here is a Cherokee Prophecy regarding the past and World War 3:


"A black ribbon would be built across the land, and a bug would begin to move across the ribbon - a sign that very soon the Earth would shake so violently that the bug would be thrown into the air and begin to fly." (The black ribbon is thought to be the first roadways, and the bug moving across it is thought to be the first automobile, mass-produced for the first time in 1908. Soon after, the violent shaking of the Earth, the First World War, "threw the bug into the air" i.e, initiated the widespread usage of the airplane).

"A cobweb would be built across the World through which people would talk." (A few hundred years after this prophecy telephone lines reached into virtually every corner of the globe).

"A sign of life in the east would turn on its side and be surrounded by death, and one day the Sun would rise in the west, bringing a second violent shaking of the earth ever worse than the first." (The cross, a sign of life, was turned on its side to form the Nazi swastika, the symbol of the Japanese empire was the rising Sun, and the Earth's "violent shaking" in the Second World War was indeed even worse than the first).

"Gourds of ashes would fall from the sky, creating more ash from all living things in their path and preventing new growth for years to come." (The atom bomb fir that description perfectly.)

"The eagle would someday fly in the night and land on the moon." (In 1969 the safe arrival on the moon of the Apollo 11 spacecraft was announced by astronaut Neil Armstrong to the NASA control room with simple words, "The eagle has landed"wink.

"A house would be built in the east that would welcome all the peoples of the Earth, and it would sparkle like the Sun reflecting off the desert mica." (The United Nations, founded in 1945, moved its original headquarters from San Francisco to a shimmering golden glass monolith in New York City in 1952).

"If we miss our opportunities after the first two shakings of the Earth to come together as a Human Family of Brothers and Sisters - as we have - the Earth will be shaken for a third time (World War 3), more violently than ever before."

NuclearWinter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn28RvxRkCA&feature=related

NuclearWinter
Ok so I went ahead and collected all of the countries that are listed in prophecy both from this thread and my other thread related to World War 3 and this is what I came up with for the list of countries that are written in prophecy to be involved in World War 3, if there ever is one. I pray that there isn't, and that Humanity chooses to avoid it. But in case it does happen, here is the list of the countries and sub divisions of countries that are supposed to be directly involved:


Libya

Egypt

Ankara

Syria

Russia

Iraq

Italy

Mongolia

China

France

Albania

Turkey

Circassia

North Ossetia

Morocco

Iran

Israel

Spain

Switzerland

Sicily

Malta

Africa

the Balkan peninsula (Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro)

Jordan

Lebanon

Palestine

Ethiopia

Georgia

Saudi Arabia

Greece

Azerbaijan

Afghanistan

Pakistan

The United States

Japan

India

Vietnam

North Korea

jaden101
No UK?...woohoo.

Symmetric Chaos
Nostradamus actually wrote the words "united states"?

NuclearWinter
Originally posted by jaden101
No UK?...woohoo.

I can not find the UK mentioned in any of the prophecies related to World War 3 in this thread and in my world War 3 - NWO - Pole Shift - Age of peace thread.

Does that mean that it won't be involved? Probably not. However, it may mean that the majority of the major battles will not be fought on UK soil. And perhaps it even means that no battles at all will be fought in the UK.

NuclearWinter
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Nostradamus actually wrote the words "united states"?

No that one did not come fron Nostradamus. That one came from some other sources as I said because it was both from this thread and my other one on the pole-shift, etc.

TheCleansing
YouTube - NWO World War III Economic Dollar Collapse Prophecy

TheCleansing
YouTube - How World War III Began - Act 1/2

YouTube - How World War III Began - Act 2/2

TheCleansing
Marching to world domination: Why the West should be worried about China

Dominic Sandbrook
Daily Mail
Friday, October 2, 2009

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/01/article-1217310-06A714B0000005DC-441_634x379.jpg

Beneath today’s orgy of celebrations that marks the anniversary lurks a disturbing reality. Mao’s successors may have embraced cut-throat capitalism to a degree that makes even Western economists blanch. But the arrangements for the parade are a reminder that China remains a deeply authoritarian society.

Kites have been banned from the centre of Beijing, pigeons have been culled and soldiers with machineguns are on every street corner. Scientists are even seeding the sky with chemicals to prevent inclement weather spoiling the celebrations.

None of us should begrudge an industrious and innovative people their return to the top table.

Yet there is a dark side to China’s revival – a disturbing instinct for sabre-rattling and neo-imperialism that arguably poses the biggest threat to world peace since the Cold War.

What terrifies China’s neighbours is the thought that they might be in for the same treatment as Tibet and Xinjiang. And the most obvious target for Chinese expansion is the island of Taiwan, the self-styled ‘Republic of China’ that was established after the American-backed Kuomintang lost the civil war against Mao in 1949 and fled across the narrow Taiwan Strait.

Even though Taiwan now stands as a highly successful state in its own right, the Chinese Communists have never abandoned their ambition to incorporate it into their empire.

Perhaps most worrying, however, is the evidence of Chinese expansionism and interference in Africa.

In 1873 the Victorian explorer Sir Francis Galton suggested that one way to modernise the so-called Dark Continent was to fill it with ‘ industrious, order-loving Chinese’, with Africa becoming a ’semi-detached dependency of China’. Such was the outcry that Galton soon dropped the idea. But more than a century later, he seems to have been ahead of his time.

For in the past decade, more than 750,000 Chinese have settled in Africa, and the red flag now flutters over jungles and prairies alike.

In the ports of East Africa, Chinese cargo ships are loaded every day with oil, timber and diamonds.

Vast Chinese-owned mines pay African labourers less than £1 a day to scratch out copper for the gigantic smoke-belching cities of East Asia. And deep in the heart of Africa, acres of forest are ripped down every day as timber for China’s industrial revolution.

But there is another side to this new Scramble for Africa. For in return, the Chinese are selling African leaders the assault rifles, warplanes and mortars they need for their bloody wars of conquest and ethnic cleansing.
Only last year, Zimbabwe’s despotic Robert Mugabe received a cool £200m in Chinese military aid.

And even the brutal slaughter in southern Sudan, in which hundreds of thousands of non-Muslim peasants were murdered by government militias, was carried out with £55m-worth of Chinese weapons, sold to the Sudanese in defiance of a UN arms embargo.

Marching to world domination: China celebrates 60 years of communism with a display of military might that should worry the West | Mail Online

TheCleansing
I just want to say that I have been closely listening to and watching the current tension unfolding with North Korea and South Korea right now and I will say with 100% confidence that we (the World) have never been more close to World War 3 than we currently are at the moment.

All signs are pointing to the fact that at the moment if nothing is done to avert this disaster than I do believe even this year that we could enter into World War 3. The bloodiest, deadliest, most damaging war ever waged on the surface of our planet.

Jeane Dixon said that North Korea would eventually pull us into a battle with China. And Nostradamus and his predictions are literally unfolding before my eyes. Many Arab nations are to side with the Red Chinese as well as certain factions of the African nations. We are literally on the brink of this catastrophe. And it is one catastrophe that need not take place, for Humanity has within it the power to prevent it from happening.

TheCleansing
N. Korea to scrap anti-clash pact with South

http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/ap/aptopix%20south%20korea%20ship%20sinks--1828836467.hmedium.jpg

North Korea announced Thursday that it will scrap an accord aimed at preventing accidental naval clashes with South Korea in retaliation for Seoul blaming Pyongyang for a torpedo attack that sank a South Korean warship.

Tension on the divided peninsula has risen dramatically since a team of international investigators said last week that a torpedo fired by a North Korean submarine tore apart and sank a South Korean warship on March 26, killing 46 sailors. North Korea has denied its involvement in the sinking and warned any retaliation would mean war.

On Thursday, North Korea's military said it will "completely nullify" an inter-Korean accord aimed at preventing accidental armed skirmishes along the disputed western sea border — the scene of three bloody maritime battles between the two Koreas.

N. Korea to scrap anti-clash pact with South - North Korea- msnbc.com

TheCleansing
There are some major events that Jeane Dixon listed as happening right before World War 3 Begins and some that will take place as the War continues.

1. The first one that she listed is that North Korea will provoke the United States into a war with Red China.

2. The second is that Red China will invade Russian territory.

3. The third is that after those two events have taken place, that eventually Red China will invade the entire Middle Eastern continent.

4. The fourth is that there will be a massive Earthquake that will strike the city of Jerusalem. An Earthquake so powerful, that it will cause all tensions between the Arabs and the Israelis to finally cease.

All of these things she stated would happen in exactly that order. I can tell you right now that the first thing on that list is extremely close to happening.

Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.