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Classic Quasar/Current Surfer

VS

Tangent Powergirl/Eradicator
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Who wins this battle of uber manipulation powerhouses?

could go either way. But I'd have to go with team one for the win. PG doesn't have enough showings.

Team 1 7/10

Team 1

Quasar and Surfer 8/10.

classic quasar as in marvel boy?

if so wendell vaughn kicked his ass and 3 other previous protectors of the universe simultaneously.

Personally, I'll lean towards team 2.

Tangent powergirl is a beast...especially with energy.

Originally posted by fangirl101
could go either way. But I'd have to go with team one for the win. PG doesn't have enough showings.

Team 1 7/10

Hasn't stopped people from debating with Konvikt...who actually has less to go on that Tangent Powergirl.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
classic quasar as in marvel boy?

if so wendell vaughn kicked his ass and 3 other previous protectors of the universe simultaneously.
I doubt that its marvel boy as its wendell in the picture.

anyways team 1 wins 8/10

Originally posted by Naija boy
I doubt that its marvel boy as its wendell in the picture.

anyways team 1 wins 8/10

How do you get 8/10?

Powergirl is a hell of an energy manipulator herself...and Erads is = to Surfer.

Originally posted by Avlon
How do you get 8/10?

Powergirl is a hell of an energy manipulator herself...and Erads is = to Surfer. the odds are against surfer here, marvel boy is less adept than wendell is even in the early nineties.

after power girl compacts (shit) quasar into a meat cube, surfer gets mad and goes all out, but it's still 2 on 1 and eradicator will already be giving him a hell of a fight.

not sure of the wins/losses but the nod goes to team 2.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the odds are against surfer here, marvel boy is less adept than wendell is even in the early nineties.

after power girl compacts (shit) quasar into a meat cube, surfer gets mad and goes all out, but it's still 2 on 1 and eradicator will already be giving him a hell of a fight.

not sure of the wins/losses but the nod goes to team 2. Good thing it's Wendell and not Marvel Boy.

your right, i thought marvel boy later used that moniker.

well then, team one has two members with cosmic awareness (though wendell's isn't perfect) and wendell's auto shields will protect him from any rays that target him. and quasar is able to drain energies also.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
your right, i thought marvel boy later used that moniker.

well then, team one has two members with cosmic awareness (though wendell's isn't perfect) and wendell's auto shields will protect him from any rays that target him. and quasar is able to drain energies also.

I know nothing of Marvel Boy, I'm simply using Wendell himself as classic. I do agree with your original assessment. Though all 4 contenders can manipulate energy, I give the nod to powergirl in the energy manipulation dept.

The way she handled GL's + the league was quite impressive. To use energy anywhere near her is to power her up. It's like using tech against Henshaw.

Originally posted by Avlon
How do you get 8/10?

Powergirl is a hell of an energy manipulator herself...and Erads is = to Surfer.

surfer has enough other advantages over erads to give him a solid majority though they may be on the same level energy/matter manip wise.

And i dont think that tangent power girl can hold off quasar for that long (though i admit im not very familiar with her feats)

Originally posted by Naija boy
surfer has enough other advantages over erads to give him a solid majority though they may be on the same level energy/matter manip wise.

What advantages would these be? Erads actually has better amping abilities than Surfer, and more powers.

Originally posted by Naija boy
And i dont think that tangent power girl can hold off quasar for that long (though i admit im not very familiar with her feats)

If you aren't very familiar with them, then how did you come up with such an uneven vote?

I run with team 1

Originally posted by Avlon
What advantages would these be? Erads actually has better amping abilities than Surfer, and more powers.



If you aren't very familiar with them, then how did you come up with such an uneven vote?

More powers than surfer? Surfer is physically superior and i dont know what u mean by having more powers than surfer. Also better amping????

Well Quasar is one of marvels premier energy manipulators and i doubt that tangent powergirl can match alot of his major feats

Originally posted by Naija boy
More powers than surfer? Surfer is physically superior and i dont know what u mean by having more powers than surfer. Also better amping????

Energy manip, matter manip, Torquasm Vo, Mindrape, Superman level strength. Fortress mode, etc.

It's a lot of stuff. Yes...Erads can amp to fortress mode and he normally starts off with Superman level strength, speed, and durability as is where SS would need to amp to that.

So there isn't any physical superiority on Surfers part. Both have their highs and lows.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Well Quasar is one of marvels premier energy manipulators and i doubt that tangent powergirl can match alot of his major feats

From memory she handled GL, Flash, and a bunch of JLA'ers with ease. He actually doesn't want to use energy against her with her Hank Henshaw like control over it...and SS would probably be a better match for her while Quasar should go against Erads for a more even battle IMO.

Surfer & Quasar ftw. I highly doubt Erads is up there with Surfer.

Surfer can slay dimensional gods as a result of his capacity for absorbing and manipulating a humungous variety of energies...


Surfer could beat them both by taking the battle to the Astral plane imo.

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer & Quasar ftw. I highly doubt Erads is up there with Surfer.

You doubt it because you don't know both characters and have an irrational love for Hulk and Surfer. Erads is definitely peer. Give and take slight advantages for both in different areas.

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer can slay dimensional gods as a result of his capacity for absorbing and manipulating a humungous variety of energies...

Just LOL.

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer could beat them both by taking the battle to the Astral plane imo.

You do know Erads is just as adept at Torquasm Vo as Superman if not even more so. Plus he has actual mindrape feats, and astral feats of his own...

I pegged this as a fairly even fight depending on the match up's. Leave the fanboyism at the door.

Surfer has feats that would make most TP/PSI specialists look small time. he telepathically communicated across half the universe, he altered the emotional states of billions of people in an instant...

and yes, the point you "LOL" at, is pretty damned relevant, Surfer can take a being's power and use it against him, amp himself with it or both, all while fighting that being.

your partisanship is also noted

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer has feats that would make most TP/PSI specialists look small time. he telepathically communicated across half the universe, he altered the emotional states of billions of people in an instant...

He shared a feelgood moment with earth. He didn't alter everyone. Even then, those are far from the mindrape or astral realm defeats you were implying.

Originally posted by janus77
and yes, the point you "LOL" at, is pretty damned relevant, Surfer can take a being's power and use it against him, amp himself with it or both, all while fighting that being.

With a temp upgrade that isn't within his normal power set. Next.


Originally posted by janus77
your partisanship is also noted

Thanks. I tried to keep it somewhat even, and I'm quite familiar with all parties involved. Thanks for noticing.

Originally posted by Avlon
Energy manip, matter manip, Torquasm Vo, Mindrape, Superman level strength. Fortress mode, etc.

It's a lot of stuff. Yes...Erads can amp to fortress mode and he normally starts off with Superman level strength, speed, and durability as is where SS would need to amp to that.

So there isn't any physical superiority on Surfers part. Both have their highs and lows.



From memory she handled GL, Flash, and a bunch of JLA'ers with ease. He actually doesn't want to use energy against her with her Hank Henshaw like control over it...and SS would probably be a better match for her while Quasar should go against Erads for a more even battle IMO.

What is fortress mode? As for the rest save Tvo which is basically just a unique psychic attack they are well within surfers abilities ( surfer has some unique psychic attacks of his own). While surfer cant match supermans high feats strengthwise ( and i doubt eradicator can either) he has proven to be physically strong enough to take on the likes of a An extremely enraged hulk together with his warbound, and match an amped champion as well. He is strong enough. Durability wise he is also superior to eradicator. As well as having superior showings of speed in battle.

What are her energy feats? U describing her as having han henshaw like control is nice and all but im quite sure quasar has got superior feats in that department. And frankly thats what im concerned with.

Originally posted by Naija boy
What is fortress mode?

It's an amp where he acquires more mass and his stats go up. He can also grow gigantic in this mode and more powerful.

Originally posted by Naija boy
As for the rest save Tvo which is basically just a unique psychic attack they are well within surfers abilities ( surfer has some unique psychic attacks of his own).

Let's not make stuff up dude. Makes debating easier. Surfer does not have Torquasm Vo.

Originally posted by Naija boy
While surfer cant match supermans high feats strengthwise ( and i doubt eradicator can either) he has proven to be physically strong enough to take on the likes of a An extremely enraged hulk together with his warbound, and match an amped champion as well. He is strong enough. Durability wise he is also superior to eradicator. As well as having superior showings of speed in battle.

Erads at his weakest was able to lift a huge iceberg effortlessly. Erads has physically matched Supes as well and it fortress mode, Superman didn't want to tangle physically with him.

As for speed. It's pretty much the same thing. Both can travel space fairly easily and Erads has used speed in battle as well. Neither Erads nor Surfer have been shown to use speed the way Supes has..so they fall into a similar category.

Originally posted by Naija boy
What are her energy feats? U describing her as having han henshaw like control is nice and all but im quite sure quasar has got superior feats in that department. And frankly thats what im concerned with.

I'll see if I can get the scans when I'm home.

Originally posted by Naija boy
What is fortress mode?

Eradicator can summon the remains of Superman's old Fortress of Solitude and use it as battle armor.

Apparently the armor still retains the full power of the fortress and he has used it to stalemate all of Darkseids forces on Apokolips.(w/ help from Krypto)

Ah well can u post scans of it so i can see what ur talking about? And besides it seems to be an external amp.



Huh? were did i claim he did? I mentioned that surfer DOESNT have tvo but that its a psychic attack and surfer himself has some unique psychic attacks of his own.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/ss1kv7-1.jpg

Here after easily invading the mind of a being who was able to overwhelm nova and his mental defenses he uses a psychic blast to shatter the the beings own mental defenses.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/surferleavingabeingdevoidofconsciou.jpg

Here another unique psychic attack so as i said surfer certainly has a nice psychic artillery of his own




As i said surfers strength feats are enough to show he is at least no pushover in that department. And no speed is NOT the same thing. Surfer actually HAS feats of him using speed in battle similar to supes and these have been shown many times. What feats does erads have in this vein?

Erad got one-shotted twice and reprogrammed by Majestics HV. Hes not SS level at all.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Ah well can u post scans of it so i can see what ur talking about? And besides it seems to be an external amp.

Here you go..he does it on the fly. Nothing external about it. That should clear that up.

Originally posted by Avlon
Erads owns the Apokalyptan army practically highhandedly. He's also shown to be by far the most powerful of the group... and this includes a precrisis Supergirl, AND Superboy + Earth Angel Supergirl enhanced by a motherbox.

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Notice none get past him or even phase him. He's only distracted once PC Supergirl goes to help Natasha Irons vs reborn Doomsday.

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Originally posted by Naija boy
Huh? were did i claim he did? I mentioned that surfer DOESNT have tvo but that its a psychic attack and surfer himself has some unique psychic attacks of his own.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/ss1kv7-1.jpg

Here after easily invading the mind of a being who was able to overwhelm nova and his mental defenses he uses a psychic blast to shatter the the beings own mental defenses.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/surferleavingabeingdevoidofconsciou.jpg

Here another unique psychic attack so as i said surfer certainly has a nice psychic artillery of his own

Surfers Psychic abilities are more passive in nature. It goes back to what I originally stated though. They are very, VERY similar in most respects with slight variations.




Originally posted by Naija boy
As i said surfers strength feats are enough to show he is at least no pushover in that department.

I never said SS was a pushover. Neither is Eradicator however. Again, some similarities come into play.


Originally posted by Naija boy
And no speed is NOT the same thing. Surfer actually HAS feats of him using speed in battle similar to supes and these have been shown many times. What feats does erads have in this vein?

Actually, he doesn't. To this day there still isn't anything solid on Surfers end except blitz type stuff like this:

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3301/eradfamia1.th.jpghttp://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4854/eradfam2es2.th.jpg

All in all. SS has more material..but they are VERY compatible.

Team 1 ftw.

Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
Erad got one-shotted twice and reprogrammed by Majestics HV. Hes not SS level at all.
Surfer got pwned by BP and storm twice. Stop using low feats for one character and Not the other.

Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
Erad got one-shotted twice and reprogrammed by Majestics HV. Hes not SS level at all.

Surfer got one shotted by a lazer pistol and armbarred by BP. He's also been held helplessly in an energy cube like Thor was.

Like I said...both have their ups and downs...but are very compatible.

Originally posted by Avlon
Here you go..he does it on the fly. Nothing external about it. That should clear that up.







Surfers Psychic abilities are more passive in nature. It goes back to what I originally stated though. They are very, VERY similar in most respects with slight variations.






I never said SS was a pushover. Neither is Eradicator however. Again, some similarities come into play.




Actually, he doesn't. To this day there still isn't anything solid on Surfers end except blitz type stuff like this:

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All in all. SS has more material..but they are VERY compatible.

Ok from what i saw there it didnt seem to be external however im not really to sure of the context of what was going on.


And surfers abilities are passive in nature? eer The examples i showed coudnt contradict that statement any more. He was directly incapacitating his oppoenet through psychic means.

Also what u showed from eradicator is absolutely nothing like what surfer has accomplished. All we see is him flying up and then flying down and bashing the guy all in a straight line. Surfer on the other hand has instances of him moving at superspeeds in different direction while attacking multiple opponents simultaneously. When he fought nova he grabbed punched and threw nova so quickly that nova thought it was an energy blast. Nova himself has FTL reflexes and high level superspeed. Surfer has also dodged and blasted deathurge while moving at light speed+. ( in a completely non straight line manner). Speedwise they arent in the same category at all

Eradicator may have surfer beat in strength but combat speed, durability and overall power output go to surfer.

Originally posted by Avlon
Surfer got one shotted by a lazer pistol and armbarred by BP. He's also been held helplessly in an energy cube like Thor was.

Like I said...both have their ups and downs...but are very compatible.

You cannot seriously compare losing to a laser gun to facing a versatile and intelligent herald leveler. Losing against BP goes against all the history of the character while losing against Majestic is consistent with Erradicator feats and powerlevel, why is it a low feat, because you say so?

Originally posted by Bentley
You cannot seriously compare losing to a laser gun to facing a versatile and intelligent herald leveler. Losing against BP goes against all the history of the character while losing against Majestic is consistent with Erradicator feats and powerlevel, why is it a low feat, because you say so?
laser vision=laser?

The point that Surfer got pwned by a laser shows that that is a much lower showing. to use either as a debating tactic against either isn't really cool. Which is what Avy was trying to show.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Surfer got pwned by BP and storm twice. Stop using low feats for one character and Not the other.

iirc surfer hasnt ever been koed by storm.

Originally posted by fangirl101
laser vision=laser?

The point that Surfer got pwned by a laser shows that that is a much lower showing. to use either as a debating tactic against either isn't really cool. Which is what Avy was trying to show.

Its different, because there is no reason to say that the defeat against Majestic is a real low feat. Maybe Majestic is simply his superior.

The BP feat is BS and PIS. These feats you claim are low balling.

Majestic is on par with Superman and Erad is around this level. But Majestic still one shotted him.

Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
The BP feat is BS and PIS. These feats you claim are low balling.

Majestic is on par with Superman and Erad is around this level. But Majestic still one shotted him.
Superman is also around surfer lvl. Duh.

Erads just happens to be far more versatile than Superman. Which makes him the very near equal to surfer.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Superman is also around surfer lvl. Duh.

Erads just happens to be far more versatile than Superman. Which makes him the very near equal to surfer.

All these talk about Erradicator being as strong to Supes sounds shady to me, Superman has a sh_tload of feats of the highest level which is what makes him the top tier he is. Errad doesn't have that much to back up his case. Superman in a good day would stomp Erradicator.

Originally posted by Bentley
All these talk about Erradicator being as strong to Supes sounds shady to me, Superman has a sh_tload of feats of the highest level which is what makes him the top tier he is. Errad doesn't have that much to back up his case. Superman in a good day would stomp Erradicator.
nah. Superman has a shit load of feats because he's been around a long time. He has more feats than Thor, Surfer, and Flash combined. The amount of feats isn't the only indicator of power.

Erads/Superman/Surfer are all nearly equally powerful.

Surfer/Erads>Superman in versatility.

Powergirl few/one time energy manip. showing is not nearly enough to give him a win/defense against this top energy manipulators, she doesn't have what it takes.. Erads on the other hand would be somebody who'd give this guys the fight of their life but even then he might be => Quazar but not Surfer.. That being said Team ftw for majority..

Originally posted by Naija boy
Ok from what i saw there it didnt seem to be external however im not really to sure of the context of what was going on.

Well, that was just to answer your question. It's not an external power up.


Originally posted by Naija boy
And surfers abilities are passive in nature? eer The examples i showed coudnt contradict that statement any more. He was directly incapacitating his oppoenet through psychic means.

He directly failed in one attempt, and in another he erased a "cone of psilence" with is PC. Now I know Surfer has some decent empathic abilities but he definitely isn't a mindraper ala Erads.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Also what u showed from eradicator is absolutely nothing like what surfer has accomplished. All we see is him flying up and then flying down and bashing the guy all in a straight line. Surfer on the other hand has instances of him moving at superspeeds in different direction while attacking multiple opponents simultaneously. When he fought nova he grabbed punched and threw nova so quickly that nova thought it was an energy blast. Nova himself has FTL reflexes and high level superspeed. Surfer has also dodged and blasted deathurge while moving at light speed+. ( in a completely non straight line manner). Speedwise they arent in the same category at all

Strange, I just showed you a scan of Erads owning the entire Apokolips army, and that was a simple rush not unlike what SS is capable of.

SS nor Eradicator blitz the way that Superman does. 30+ years of Surfer show that, and Erads while having a kryptonian body which is perfectly capable of it, doesn't normally utilize it either.

Both can cross the universe at high speeds and normally fight bricks without blitz. Speedwise, they are similar.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Eradicator may have surfer beat in strength but combat speed, durability and overall power output go to surfer.

Strength goes to Erads..sure, Surfer gets an edge in durability, speed is a toss up, matter manip and mental abilities is Erads, both have high's and lows ( I would know reading quite a bit of material on both) and they are comparable.

Originally posted by Bentley
You cannot seriously compare losing to a laser gun to facing a versatile and intelligent herald leveler. Losing against BP goes against all the history of the character while losing against Majestic is consistent with Erradicator feats and powerlevel, why is it a low feat, because you say so?

Why not?

Surfer has lost to firelord, a skrull clone of himself, Morg, Doom, Thor, a human made sonic shark missile, Black Panther, a Gun..etc.

Why give Erads slack over Majestic when Surfer has far from a perfect record against that tier himself?

Majestic is more than capable of victory against Erads OR Surfer.

Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
The BP feat is BS and PIS. These feats you claim are low balling.

Majestic is on par with Superman and Erad is around this level. But Majestic still one shotted him.

Maj never even scored a KO on Erads....
Erads was crushing Maj with ONE HAND. Maj got a good shot in with his HV and used it to show Erads the multiverse which overwhelmed Erads temporarily. Eradicator came back just fine and upgraded from that.

Originally posted by Avlon
Well, that was just to answer your question. It's not an external power up.




He directly failed in one attempt, and in another he erased a "cone of psilence" with is PC. Now I know Surfer has some decent empathic abilities but he definitely isn't a mindraper ala Erads.



Strange, I just showed you a scan of Erads owning the entire Apokolips army, and that was a simple rush not unlike what SS is capable of.

SS nor Eradicator blitz the way that Superman does. 30+ years of Surfer show that, and Erads while having a kryptonian body which is perfectly capable of it, doesn't normally utilize it either.

Both can cross the universe at high speeds and normally fight bricks without blitz. Speedwise, they are similar.



Strength goes to Erads..sure, Surfer gets an edge in durability, speed is a toss up, matter manip and mental abilities is Erads, both have high's and lows ( I would know reading quite a bit of material on both) and they are comparable.



He didnt fail to do it. He held back and decided not to even though he had started the processs. It was even stated that he could have done it by the tenebrae but that he held back. So its not a question of whether its within his abilities. It depends on his mindset. Current surfer will have no problem doing with this as he is much more ruthless. Also That creatures "cone of psilence" was his mental defence which prevented galactus from discovering him. It was mentioned earlier in the comic. Surfer has more than just "decent" empathic abilities" He has abilites that match any of the top psychics and has some which even they dont have.



Huh? U showed a huge eradicator smashing members of the apokolips army with no combat speed being used at all. How is that even relevant? Also ABSOLUTELY NONE of the examples i mentioned of SS are even remotely close to what eradicator did. They are entirely unrelated to it and completely DIFFERENT. SS was performing complex movements, doging, attacking multiple opponents, at superspeeds while in battle. How is eradicator flying from above and hitting some guy at similar? Surfer has feats to show he can and does use combat speed while fighting and Erads doesnt. There is nothing similar about that.





The only thing that goes to erads is strength period. Matter/energy manip does not go to erads at all. Surfer has it in durability. The argument against surfers speed have been extremely weak and surfer has him beat there soundly. Mental abilities also doesnt go to erads. surfer has been able to use telepathy from galaxies away. He has mentally affected evry being on earth simultaneously. He has broken out of the mental control of the goddess backed with thirty Cosmic cubes. Has shown to be extremely powerful on the astral plane and displayed unique mental attacks not even displayed by some of the best psychics. How does Erads have superior mental abilities? Surfer also has him beat soundly in overall power output as well. Yes both of them do have highs and lows but surfers highs certainly outweigh his lows and based on feats he clearly has most of the advantages here.

Originally posted by Naija boy
He didnt fail to do it. He held back and decided not to even though he had started the processs. It was even stated that he could have done it by the tenebrae but that he held back. So its not a question of whether its within his abilities. It depends on his mindset. Current surfer will have no problem doing with this as he is much more ruthless. Also That creatures "cone of psilence" was his mental defence which prevented galactus from discovering him. It was mentioned earlier in the comic. Surfer has more than just "decent" empathic abilities" He has abilites that match any of the top psychics and has some which even they dont have.

Dude..it says on panel that he failed. Erads has actually mindraped Superman, Matrix, Aliens, and humans far easier than other top tier telepaths.



Originally posted by Naija boy
Huh? U showed a huge eradicator smashing members of the apokolips army with no combat speed being used at all. How is that even relevant? Also ABSOLUTELY NONE of the examples i mentioned of SS are even remotely close to what eradicator did. They are entirely unrelated to it and completely DIFFERENT. SS was performing complex movements, doging, attacking multiple opponents, at superspeeds while in battle. How is eradicator flying from above and hitting some guy at similar? Surfer has feats to show he can and does use combat speed while fighting and Erads doesnt. There is nothing similar about that.

Your best examples are flying rush in annihilation. This isn't a superman or flash style blitz. Erads can move as fast as surfer. Surfer isn't a speedblitzer and neither is Erads.

Erads is actually MORE ruthless than Surfer but within their personalities, it still doesn't matter much. The battle could go either way.

Originally posted by Naija boy
The only thing that goes to erads is strength period.

Strength enough to take SS out.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Matter/energy manip does not go to erads at all.

Actually it does.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Surfer has it in durability. The argument against surfers speed have been extremely weak and surfer has him beat there soundly.

I said SS has the edge there.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Mental abilities also doesnt go to erads. surfer has been able to use telepathy from galaxies away. He has mentally affected evry being on earth simultaneously. He has broken out of the mental control of the goddess backed with thirty Cosmic cubes. Has shown to be extremely powerful on the astral plane and displayed unique mental attacks not even displayed by some of the best psychics. How does Erads have superior mental abilities?

Erads has actually mindraped beings including Superman who has some great resistance feats of his own. Plus add Torquasm vo on par with Supes himself, and mindwiping and it's a complete package.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Surfer also has him beat soundly in overall power output as well. Yes both of them do have highs and lows but surfers highs certainly outweigh his lows and based on feats he clearly has most of the advantages here.

Debatable. SS at his highest levels never beat Thor, and has had problems with guys not on level with Erads, while Erads at his higher levels has beaten Superman. Performance wise, the powersets of both of them are very similar and once again, Erads actually has more powers. So it's a toss up with their variations in different areas.

We can agree to disagree...I really don't feel like pulling up scans.

Originally posted by Avlon
Actually it does.


I am aware that you are not one of those posters that talks out of their asses and that you possess lots of knowledge about Superman. I find myself however, in the hard position of doubting that statement. If you could point just some of his good manipulation feats it would help to put some perspective.

Heres the next page
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/surferleavingabeingdevoidofconsc-1.jpg

Here it clealry explains that it failed because surfer held back and in essence decided not to. Not because of lack of ability. Also On this page he is about to scatter her molecules across eternity but once again holds back. Surfer simultaneously affecting evry being on the planet mentally is superior to anything eradicator has done as well as using telepathy from galaxies away




Huh what r u talking about? eer I didnt even mention the annihilation example. The only difference between the examples i mentioned and a flash style blitz is that while they use punches surfer used blasts. Really uve done nothing to at all diminish the examples ive brought up. These examples are are NOTHING like what eradicator did. Not even close.





After a prolonged period and if SS decided to just slug it out....sure he has a shot at that. Though with SS superior durability he would still have the advantage.



Surfer has superior feats. Destroying the mental defences of high level telepaths, affecting evryone on earth simultaneously breaking free of the Breaking free of the goddess mental control while backed by the power of 30 cosmic cubes etc. Surfer has the greater feats in this department as well.



According to feats ( which is what we use not simple blanket statements) it doesnt at all.




What kind of faulty ABC logic is this? Surfer having problems with guys not on erads level is based on circumstances and PIS so it is ABSOLUTELY IRRLEVANT. He wont be fighting the same way he was in this matches as he will be operating at full capacity. Surfer at his highest levels has never even had a conclusive fight against a regular thor. However in all those meetings he has had the upperhand. The only time surfer has lost to thor, thor was amped so its irrelevant anyways and even then its still faulty ABC logic which makes it an even weaker argument.

Also Erads does not have more powers than surfer. Surfer on the other hand based on feats is superior to him in most powers they do have together and has a superior power output. Offensively and defensively surfer has him beaten and his feats prove this.

Originally posted by Avlon
Dude..it says on panel that he failed.
Butting in!!!!

She actually acknowledge that Surfer could no doubt do what he says cept his inherent decency holds him back.. This personal trait does no longer exist in current version..
Originally posted by Avlon
Your best examples are flying rush in annihilation. This isn't a superman or flash style blitz.
Bout blitzing both Skrull and Badoon fleets and their scans didn't even register that it was Surfer till after the blitz was over(Blast and all).. This is also quite similar w/ the Nova feat.. Don't see why this is no diff. than Supes or Flash style..
Originally posted by Avlon
Actually it does
Erads does have some of the highest matter manipulation feat (Biomolecular) but it does not top Surfers highest; the manipulation of an entire civilization or the Ghaur feat (basicly from a cloud to a deviant biology).. SS >> Erads..
Originally posted by Avlon
Erads has actually mindraped beings including Superman who has some great resistance feats of his own. Plus add Torquasm vo on par with Supes himself, and mindwiping and it's a complete package.

SS at his highest levels never beat Thor, and has had problems with guys not on level with Erads.
Ahh but Superman @ this time was a little less exp. in the art of psi defense and the other one was learning TVO.. Doubt Erads can do it @ current Supes level.. Zenlavian have a similar technique (TVO) as well unfortunately its not @ multiversal level yet but am waiting for it to get explored.. lol

An amp Thor.. You mean Thanos..

Thats it..