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topday during the Pens and Rangers game they talked about a possible ban on Hockey fights!
those who watch hockey....what do you think?

They better not!

thats exactly what i said!NBC sports had a poll and 82% of people agreed not to ban fights

I think they should.

Originally posted by Smasandian
I think they should.

Why is that?

Originally posted by Smasandian
I think they should.
why? cause its brutal and the only reason that most people watch hockey?

i don't think they will

its been apart of the sport for years and will be forever

Originally posted by guy222
i don't think they will

its been apart of the sport for years and will be forever
they add more rules and penalties every year making the sport more and more tame

who knows, mybe by next year, Jarkko Ruutu will get more than just a 2 game suspension for biting a guys thumb

agree

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Why is that?

I dont watch Hockey but I see no point in allowing it. If you need it for the sport to survive then it sounds to me like its pointless sport anyway. If they want to fight go get in a ring.

Originally posted by forumcrew
I dont watch Hockey but I see no point in allowing it. If you need it for the sport to survive then it sounds to me like its pointless sport anyway. If they want to fight go get in a ring. really hockey fights are meant to spark a team into getting goals or big hits
they rarely happen especially during playoffs
but if a teams halfway through the 2nd period and theyre down by 2 goals, you need something like that to get you going!

Best thing most games are the fights..

they should stay

Absolutely not. Not in a million years, it's an integral part of the sport that is often used to alter the tempo of a bad game and change momentum, people often don't understand that it's actually a part of the strategy of the sport.

I mean, logically it would be in the NHL's best interest not to ban them, it's often the thing most non fans like most about the sport, taking that away will alienate many who may use the interest in fights as a stepping stone of gathering interest for the game.

On the other hand, how many people don't watch the sport because they think it's barbaric.

It's the only sport in the world that allows fighting, and it's only the NA part of hockey that allows.

I understand purists want it there, but I think it should go but I would probably think once it's gone, nobody will remember it. Hell, 9/10's of the fights suck anyways.

Originally posted by forumcrew
I dont watch Hockey but I see no point in allowing it. If you need it for the sport to survive then it sounds to me like its pointless sport anyway. If they want to fight go get in a ring.

Originally posted by Smasandian
On the other hand, how many people don't watch the sport because they think it's barbaric.

It's the only sport in the world that allows fighting, and it's only the NA part of hockey that allows.

I understand purists want it there, but I think it should go but I would probably think once it's gone, nobody will remember it. Hell, 9/10's of the fights suck anyways.

Originally posted by Smasandian
On the other hand, how many people don't watch the sport because they think it's barbaric.

It's the only sport in the world that allows fighting, and it's only the NA part of hockey that allows.

I understand purists want it there, but I think it should go but I would probably think once it's gone, nobody will remember it. Hell, 9/10's of the fights suck anyways.

Very few avoid the sport because of fights.

More people watch the sport for the fights than stay away because of them.

Originally posted by Smasandian
On the other hand, how many people don't watch the sport because they think it's barbaric.

It's the only sport in the world that allows fighting, and it's only the NA part of hockey that allows.

I understand purists want it there, but I think it should go but I would probably think once it's gone, nobody will remember it. Hell, 9/10's of the fights suck anyways.
if you think its a barbaric sport now you should have seen how bad it was in the beginning of the NHL many people had to retire early because of severe injuries that were life threatening.

and the only reason some of the fights suck is because the refs step in before the players whore fighting can really draw some blood

Originally posted by BackFire
Very few avoid the sport because of fights.

More people watch the sport for the fights than stay away because of them.

I wouldn't think so.

But there isn't really any evidence to show either point of views.

Fights are great, they should and will stay.

Originally posted by Smasandian
I wouldn't think so.

But there isn't really any evidence to show either point of views.

I have never ever heard anyone say "i would watch hockey if there wasn't the occasional fight". Not a single person. I've never even heard the notion mentioned not in jest.

I have heard "The only interesting thing about hockey is fighting, it's the only reason I watch it from time to time" from many, though.

Plus no less than 50 NHL players whose sole job is to fight to try and work the momentum to their favor would more or less lose their jobs if they scrapped fighting.

So no, would be a monumentally horrid idea to get rid of fighting and thankfully I have the utmost confidence that they will never ever actually do it. Would be like ditching tackling in football. Someone might get hurt from it from time to time, but they know the risks before they engage in the sport.

Besides, if your argument for altering the status quo is 'there are some people who avoid the sport because of fighting' then the burdon of proof is on you and your claim.

Originally posted by BackFire
Would be like ditching tackling in football.

No, it wouldn't.

Yes, it would. It's an important and strategic part of the game, not to mention entertaining.

Originally posted by BackFire
Yes, it would. It's an important and strategic part of the game, not to mention entertaining.

No. It wouldn't.

You can play a hockey game without fights. Tackling in football is integral.

If you take out tackling in football then your game-play drastically changes. Players that have the ability to make plays defensively would be all be leveled out to a mediocre level, assuming if they were to remove tackling from football, then it would be something like flag football which requires considerably less skill.

If you remove fights from hockey then it just becomes less entertaining. Which for the most part, is.

Making a great play can also re-energize a team/crowd. I.e. scoring a goal or checking an opponent. Fights are more of a barbaric tradition. It's human nature to gawk at savagery, and that's why it sells.

Personally, I could care less if they remove fighting from the NHL.

Football can be played without tackles, just would be stupid. Just as hockey can be played without fights, would also be stupid.

For a comparison to be valid the two things don't have to be identical, just similar. Fights in hockey serve a strategic purpose and often change the momentum of the game for one side from the other when scoring simply isn't happening. A big hit in football can do something similar, getting the fans into the game moreso than they were before. Thus the comparison is factually valid, whether you like it or not. Take fighting out of the hockey and you take out a key strategic element out of the sport for no logical reason.

Originally posted by geshien
No. It wouldn't.

You can play a hockey game without fights. Tackling in football is integral.

If you take out tackling in football then your game-play drastically changes. Players that have the ability to make plays defensively would be all be leveled out to a mediocre level, assuming if they were to remove tackling from football, then it would be something like flag football which requires considerably less skill.

If you remove fights from hockey then it just becomes less entertaining. Which for the most part, is.

Making a great play can also re-energize a team/crowd. I.e. scoring a goal or checking an opponent. Fights are more of a barbaric tradition. It's human nature to gawk at savagery, and that's why it sells.

Personally, I could care less if they remove fighting from the NHL.
a big reason people watch football is for the brutality of it do people cheer more when a defenseman gets a big hit or when he just stands there and does nothing? in hockey, whats the point of having defensemen period when they arent allowed to hit someone and provoke the oposing team

fights arent just endorsed by fans for the entertainment value but like BackFire said, theyre more for getting not only the team into the game more but the crowd. when a crowd is cheering you on, you feel that adrenaline and it makes you wanna play better

Odd that in some sports like Football (soccer) if you do anything a bit violent you get send of for good and banned for a while, and others like Rugby and Ice hockey people beat the crapm out of each other and nothing happens.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Odd that in some sports like Football (soccer) if you do anything a bit violent you get send of for good and banned for a while, and others like Rugby and Ice hockey people beat the crapm out of each other and nothing happens.
they get 5 minutes in the sin bin and sometimes ejected from the game if more fights persist after the initial was broken up

Usually for a fight in hockey you get 5 mins and a 10 min misconduct penalty. There's actually less fighting now than there was like 10 years ago, you get penalized more now.

and waaaaaaaaaaaay less than the very beginning of the NHL

This is the most ridiculous fukin thing i've heard since the banning of victory dances in football but thats another topic because football and it's rules is ridiculous in general. I honestly hope that the inflation of this topic as of late is nothing more than an attempt to bring attention to the game. I'm not even going to justify the suggestion of removing fights from Hockey with an argument.

I will say, however, most of the fights that occur in hockey are mutual in willingness. You will rarely see a fight where one of the combatants are not willing or wanting of a fight. As backfire said, it is a very important strategic element of the game and is more about honor than anything else. It is a release of aggression as well an outlet to gain confidence and momentum. This fukin bullshit just pisses me off and reminds me of our democracy. The old fat men in suits decide everything where the states (players and coaches) should be the one's who decide. Look, if the players said they supported the removal of fighting i would then have to support it. I wouldnt agree with it but i would support it. If you are against Hockey fights you are not a hockey fan and are most likely horrified by any and all physical sports because you are a sissy cuck boy pansy.

Take away fights and you know what you get? An increase in penalties. Penalties is what the sport is trying to avoid. That is one of the reasons they revamped the sport, recently. Jesus christ, i mean the Refs rarely let the players fight anymore as it is. Ten years ago a fight used to drag on until one of the players were done or both players were physically spent and then it was only broken up to avoid injury or rioting.

Originally posted by BackFire
Football can be played without tackles, just would be stupid. Just as hockey can be played without fights, would also be stupid.

For a comparison to be valid the two things don't have to be identical, just similar. Fights in hockey serve a strategic purpose and often change the momentum of the game for one side from the other when scoring simply isn't happening. A big hit in football can do something similar, getting the fans into the game moreso than they were before. Thus the comparison is factually valid, whether you like it or not. Take fighting out of the hockey and you take out a key strategic element out of the sport for no logical reason.

The difference is if you remove fighting in hockey it's still hockey. Whereas if you remove tackling from football it's no longer football.

Fighting is merely permitted in hockey and isn't tolerated in other sports (aside from combat sports, naturally).

I'm not disagreeing that it can be a strategic move but, it's a far comparison to tackling in football.

Originally posted by AC/DC'S_LVR
a big reason people watch football is for the brutality of it do people cheer more when a defenseman gets a big hit or when he just stands there and does nothing? in hockey, whats the point of having defensemen period when they arent allowed to hit someone and provoke the oposing team

fights arent just endorsed by fans for the entertainment value but like BackFire said, theyre more for getting not only the team into the game more but the crowd. when a crowd is cheering you on, you feel that adrenaline and it makes you wanna play better

Why are you restating what I said?

I get the impression that you think I'm for or opposed to the ban.

You don't need fights but, removing them would hurt the sport. If the argument is that without it, the game loses an aspect where as you can use a fight to shift momentum and set up strategies, and you're assuming that I disagree, you'd be wrong. My point is that there are other ways to change momentum. Bringing up valid points on why fights should stay are inconsequential to me, because I don't care.

Backfire stated that fights are the same as tackles in football. And frankly, they're not. One is a necessity the other technically, is not. And you can argue that till the day is long but, as the rules are laid, it's an unwritten rule with fighting in hockey and a written one with tackling in football, and so long as that is the case their is no point in arguing it.

And just to weigh in, I think it's tradition to keep the fights in, because there is strategy to it and because it's expected by the fans. As I've said before, it's a draw. If you remove it, you lose a part of your audience. And because of it's draw, in it's right, it is necessary (although technically it's not). The sport would suffer without it.

You can remove tacking from football, can't you. Flag football, tag football, so on. It's still football. It doesn't become something else. The comparison comes because both are important to the sport and the heritage of it, and both involve people occasionally getting injured. I didn't say they're exactly the same, simply similar in the ways I've mentioned. Tackling is obviously more important to football than fighting is to hockey, fighting is still important, though, and I've yet to hear a single logic based reason as to why it should be removed.

Originally posted by BackFire
You can remove tacking from football, can't you. Flag football, tag football, so on. It's still football. It doesn't become something else. The comparison comes because both are important to the sport and the heritage of it, and both involve people occasionally getting injured. I didn't say they're exactly the same, simply similar in the ways I've mentioned. Tackling is obviously more important to football than fighting is to hockey, fighting is still important, though, and I've yet to hear a single logic based reason as to why it should be removed.


Originally posted by geshien
If you take out tackling in football then your game-play drastically changes. Players that have the ability to make plays defensively would be all be leveled out to a mediocre level, assuming if they were to remove tackling from football, then it would be something like flag football which requires considerably less skill.

Originally posted by geshien
And just to weigh in, I think it's tradition to keep the fights in, because there is strategy to it and because it's expected by the fans. As I've said before, it's a draw. If you remove it, you lose a part of your audience. And because of it's draw, in it's right, it is necessary (although technically it's not). The sport would suffer without it.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=413255

Looks like staged fighting might be eliminated.

im actually doing an essay on htis topic now

hope your professor is a Hockey fan then

hes a sports fan in general, he was the Athletic Director for the school but hes retiring after this year