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Who takes it?

Meh, been done before

Originally posted by I'm Bran
Meh, been done before

No fortress of solitude this time around. Neutral Ground.

Surfer

Cyborg.

Borg ftw.

Can Henshaw reform if there are no metals/technology around?

Say, if they fought in the blackness of space.

You... no

Surfer wins.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Can Henshaw reform if there are no metals/technology around?

Say, if they fought in the blackness of space.

Like this?


http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3665/1ln6kq2.th.jpghttp://img515.imageshack.us/img515/234/2nb6ic8.th.jpg

Eat your heart out WWH.

How does he fare against Telepathy?

I remember when Superman vibrated him apart or something, seemed like a KO.

Originally posted by Avlon
Like this?


http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3665/1ln6kq2.th.jpghttp://img515.imageshack.us/img515/234/2nb6ic8.th.jpg

Eat your heart out WWH. that wasn't reforming from nothing

that was more repairing himself on the fly

I don't think Henshaw can reform if there isn't suitable material around...I remember in an issue where his head was floating in space

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
How does he fare against Telepathy?

Can't say I've even seen it work on him or even attempted, but I would imagine that a kryptonian mind + machine would put make most telepaths have fits.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/704/adventuresofsuperman468lh8.th.jpg and http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/8392/greenlanternv4012page07hb4.th.jpg

Plus it seems Henshaw understands TP and mind control quite well himself.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I remember when Superman vibrated him apart or something, seemed like a KO.

Early Henshaw and all he did was beam his mind onto an adapter he placed on Doomday. He never tried to reform in that instance.

Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Starscream M
that wasn't reforming from nothing

that was more repairing himself on the fly

I don't think Henshaw can reform if there isn't suitable material around...I remember in an issue where his head was floating in space

Most characters can't reform completely from nothing. Just showing that he can reform his own body from his own mass nearly instantly if he chooses.

Well, Surfer could use telepathy.

Henshaw can use a gun. SS has been KO'd by a laser rifle.

TP has never been shown to work, and SS can't mindrape.

Cyborg Superman has nothing in his arsenal that can harm Norrin to my knowledge, while Norrin can do everything from opening up a black hole in Cyborg Superman head or transmuting his entire physical into dust etc.

If his spirit can survive that, then great, still counts as a win for Norrin.

Originally posted by Avlon
Henshaw can use a gun. SS has been KO'd by a laser rifle.

TP has never been shown to work, and SS can't mindrape.

When has Silver Surfer been knocked out by a laser rifle?

I find it hard to believe that, that can happen when he can effortlessly survive in a black hole, take blows from beings like Aegis etc. and live, destroy planets with on a whim etc.

Silver Surfer, has shown vast mental abilities before, him being able to mind rape shouldn't be surprising.

Originally posted by Avlon
Henshaw can use a gun. SS has been KO'd by a laser rifle.

TP has never been shown to work, and SS can't mindrape.

I haven't seen any attempts.

Originally posted by Avlon
Most characters can't reform completely from nothing. Just showing that he can reform his own body from his own mass nearly instantly if he chooses. yeah I know. I think kris blaze was asking whether Cyborg could reform from nothing though.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Cyborg Superman has nothing in his arsenal that can harm Norrin to my knowledge, while Norrin can do everything from opening up a black hole in Cyborg Superman head or transmuting his entire physical into dust etc.

He has plenty, especially with his adaptable abilities, healing, and Surfers level of PC which Henshaw has laughed at.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If his spirit can survive that, then great, still counts as a win for Norrin.

Henshaw has beaten top and mid tiers with ridiculous ease on many occasions.

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah I know. I think kris blaze was asking whether Cyborg could reform from nothing though.

Henshaw can't from from nothing...then again, neither can SS.

Adding to that SS can't heal/reform like Henshaw can either.

Originally posted by Avlon
Henshaw can't from from nothing...then again, neither can SS.

Adding to that SS can't heal/reform like Henshaw can either.

I don't know if you saw it, but I replied.

I haven't seen telepathy attempted at him.

Originally posted by Avlon
Henshaw can't from from nothing...then again, neither can SS.

Adding to that SS can't heal/reform like Henshaw can either. agreed

couldn't Surfer matter manipulate Henshaw though...not that he is likely to use that option but still would like to know how viable

but then prob no one has tried that on henshaw

Originally posted by Avlon
He has plenty, especially with his adaptable abilities, healing, and Surfers level of PC which Henshaw has laughed at.

Henshaw has beaten top and mid tiers with ridiculous ease on many occasions.

He has plenty?

Name a few? Please.

Adaptability mean's nothing, when facing an opponent who can rip him apart.

What's healing going to do, when every molecule of his body would be erased.

When has Henshaw every fought a being of Silver Surfer's level of Cosmic Power.

That is ridiculous. Silver Surfer, can use his molecular manipulation, to erase every molecule of Henshaw out of existence on a whim.

Henshaw has beaten top and mid tiers, and your point would be?

Silver Surfer, can erase planets on a whim, that is beyond Earth Bound top tiers.

Henshaw isn't even a physical match for Superman from what I have seen.

Originally posted by Avlon

Henshaw has beaten top and mid tiers with ridiculous ease on many occasions. he's also proven to be no match for a healthy Superman for some reason

Originally posted by Avlon
Henshaw can't from from nothing...then again, neither can SS.

Adding to that SS can't heal/reform like Henshaw can either.

Silver Surfer, has healed beings other than himself who were on the verge of death before.

I replied to two of your posts on the first page. I think you missed it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When has Silver Surfer been knocked out by a laser rifle?

I find it hard to believe that, that can happen when he can effortlessly survive in a black hole, take blows from beings like Aegis etc. and live, destroy planets with on a whim etc.

Silver Surfer, has shown vast mental abilities before, him being able to mind rape shouldn't be surprising.

If you're going to attempt to debate. Please know about both characters.

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/5196/silversurfer198801523enur9.th.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Silver Surfer, has healed beings other than himself who were on the verge of death before.

That's nice... still doesn't have the ability to do it to himself like Henshaw can...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He has plenty?

Name a few? Please.

Adaptability mean's nothing, when facing an opponent who can rip him apart.

What's healing going to do, when every molecule of his body would be erased.

When has Henshaw every fought a being of Silver Surfer's level of Cosmic Power.

That is ridiculous. Silver Surfer, can use his molecular manipulation, to erase every molecule of Henshaw out of existence on a whim.

Henshaw has beaten top and mid tiers, and your point would be?

Silver Surfer, can erase planets on a whim, that is beyond Earth Bound top tiers. when has Surfer ever demonstrated this level of matter manipulation (ie erasing planets?)

Originally posted by Starscream M
he's also proven to be no match for a healthy Superman for some reason


Most characters aren't. Superman's beaten Thor as well...who SS hasn't been able to beat yet.

Supes and Henshaw have been able to KO each other...so it's no big deal anyway.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He has plenty?

Name a few? Please.

Adaptability mean's nothing, when facing an opponent who can rip him apart.

What's healing going to do, when every molecule of his body would be erased.

When has Henshaw every fought a being of Silver Surfer's level of Cosmic Power.

That is ridiculous. Silver Surfer, can use his molecular manipulation, to erase every molecule of Henshaw out of existence on a whim.

Henshaw has beaten top and mid tiers, and your point would be?

Silver Surfer, can erase planets on a whim, that is beyond Earth Bound top tiers.

Henshaw isn't even a physical match for Superman from what I have seen.

This is laughable SS fanboyism, and I have created a Henshaw respect thread. It's quite safe to say that I'm VERY familiar with both characters.

Originally posted by Avlon
If you're going to attempt to debate. Please know about both characters.

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/5196/silversurfer198801523enur9.th.jpg

That's nice... still doesn't have the ability to do it to himself like Henshaw can...

Wow....

What happened in that issue?

I know that there must be context that you are leaving out, for example Norrin could have been weakened etc. because if not, that would be his lowest showing in his entire history.

Better yet, tell the issue number so I can read it.

If it's simply a normal blaster, than it's obvious PIS. He has survived blows from Galactus level beings, planetary destruction, harmlessly survived in black holes.

That's like Lex Luthor one shotting a sun dipped Superman as a regular human. Completely undermining the character's power set.

What makes you think Norrin can't heal himself. He has proven vast matter manipulation etc.

Originally posted by Avlon
This is laughable SS fanboyism, and I have created a Henshaw respect thread. It's quite safe to say that I'm VERY familiar with both characters.

Fanboyism?

Silver Surfer, destroyed an entire planet to simply prove a point before.

He has shown vast matter manipulation to the point, where he has erased, solar system spanning armadas in seconds etc.

You act as if I'm making this up.

Originally posted by Starscream M
when has Surfer ever demonstrated this level of matter manipulation (ie erasing planets?)

In annihilation etc.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Wow....

What happened in that issue?

A lot.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I know that there must be context that you are leaving out, for example Norrin could have been weakened etc. because if not, that would be his lowest showing in his entire history.

He wasn't weakened....

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Better yet, tell the issue number so I can read it.

It should be in the title of the scan.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If it's simply a normal blaster, than it's obvious PIS. He has survived blows from Galactus level beings, planetary destruction, harmlessly survived in black holes.

Funny, so has Henshaw...but you want to go by lows vs highs. SS has a worse low as you have seen.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's like Lex Luthor one shotting a sun dipped Superman as a regular human. Completely undermining the character's power set.

Like you're doing with Henshaw...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What makes you think Norrin can't heal himself. He has proven vast matter manipulation etc.

If you are asking this question, it's safe that you have no kind of proof. 30+ years should be enough to provide lots of scans showing this type of things. Henshaws healing is far superior to Surfers. There isn't even a debate there.

Surfer wins.

Cyborg looks like he probably takes it.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I haven't seen any telepathic attempts made against him.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I don't know if you saw it, but I replied.

I haven't seen telepathy attempted at him.

Can't say I have either. So it's a moot argument for that reason.

Henshaw has shown more mindrape ability than SS strangely enough.

OK take it easy people. Statements that SS cant heal himself are just false SS can certainly heal himself from very bad states. As he does here.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/SilverSurfertakesdirecthitfromGa-2.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/SilverSurfertakesrecoversfromdir-2.jpg

Originally posted by Avlon
Can't say I have either. So it's a moot argument for that reason.

Henshaw has shown more mindrape ability than SS strangely enough.

"mindrape"

We can't assume that characters who've shown no resistance to telepathy are immune or resistant to it.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
"mindrape"

We can't assume that characters who've shown no resistance to telepathy are immune or resistant to it.

We also can't assume that they are susceptible to it.

As stated, Henshaw has actually shown more ability to mindrape than SS has, especially in the herald level foe category.

Originally posted by Avlon
He has plenty, especially with his adaptable abilities, healing, and Surfers level of PC which Henshaw has laughed at.
Are you talking about the noncanon crossover?

Originally posted by Avlon
He wasn't weakened....

If he wasn't weakened and that's a regular blaster, you don't think that's PIS, at all.

If you don't then just let's just end this discussion, as that would mean you are greatly underestimating Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by Avlon It should be in the title of the scan.

It's not.

Originally posted by Avlon Funny, so has Henshaw...but you want to go by lows vs highs. SS has a worse low as you have seen.

You actually spew that garbage and call me a fanboy?

He has survived blows from Galactus level beings, planetary destruction, harmlessly survived in black holes.

When has Henshaw, ever, EVER, survived a blow from a being at Galactus' level or close?

When has Henshaw ever, EVER, demonstrated, power sufficient for planetary destruction on a whim?

When has Henshaw ever, ever, EVER, survived in an environment or power equal to that of a black hole, if he can't even go toe to toe with Clark?

Originally posted by Avlon Like you're doing with Henshaw...

What?

Henshaw has never shown the abilities necessary, to take down Silver Surfer.

Going by that scan alone, then yes, Henshaw and anyone else with a lazer can knock out this cosmic level being.

Really, what issue was this in, because I really want to read it, and see the context for myself. Context change the value and meaning of a scan greatly.

Originally posted by Avlon If you are asking this question, it's safe that you have no kind of proof. 30+ years should be enough to provide lots of scans showing this type of things. Henshaws healing is far superior to Surfers. There isn't even a debate there.

I'm a bit confused here, sorry.

Do you mean, I have no proof of Norrin ever healing himself or someone?

He has healed himself and others on multiple occasions.

Henshaw can rebuild himself from nothing, so yes his healing is superior to Norrin's to a certain degree (So it could be debatable).

Did I ever say otherwise?

Originally posted by Mindset
Are you talking about the noncanon crossover?

Is that what he is referring to?

Even deep space has subatomic, metallic particles zooming around. Tiny, tiny ones, but they're there. Literary example: ever read "Life, the Universe, and Everything?"

If Henshaw is as powerful as everyone makes him out to be, then he could reform even if they fought in "the blackness of space."

Although I really don't think he's as powerful as everyone seems to think he is. Superman, Kara, and Power Girl beat him with nothing more than punches.

Originally posted by Avlon
We also can't assume that they are susceptible to it.

As stated, Henshaw has actually shown more ability to mindrape than SS has, especially in the herald level foe category.

"mindrape"

And yes we can. Otherwise it would be like assuming that energy blasts wouldn't work on a person, simply because they've never been attacked with any.

Originally posted by Avlon

Henshaw has shown more mindrape ability than SS strangely enough.

Proof of this?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He wasn't weakened....

If he wasn't weakened and that's a regular blaster, you don't think that's PIS, at all.

If you don't then just let's just end this discussion, as that would mean you are greatly underestimating Silver Surfer.

It should be in the title of the scan.

It's not.

Funny, so has Henshaw...but you want to go by lows vs highs. SS has a worse low as you have seen.

You actually spew that garbage and call me a fanboy?

He has survived blows from Galactus level beings, planetary destruction, harmlessly survived in black holes.

When has Henshaw, ever, ever, EVER, survived a blow from a being at Galactus' level or close?

When has Henshaw ever, ever, EVER, demonstrated, power sufficient for planetary destruction on a whim?

When has Henshaw ever, ever, EVER, survived in an environment or power equal to that of a black hole, if he can't even go toe to toe with Clark?

Like you're doing with Henshaw...

What?

Henshaw has never shown the abilities necessary, to take down Silver Surfer.

Going by that scan alone, then yes, Henshaw and anyone else with a lazer can knock out this cosmic level being.

Really, what issue was this in, because I really want to read it, and see the context for myself. Context change the value and meaning of a scan greatly.

If you are asking this question, it's safe that you have no kind of proof. 30+ years should be enough to provide lots of scans showing this type of things. Henshaws healing is far superior to Surfers. There isn't even a debate there.

I'm a bit confused here, sorry.

Do you mean, I have no proof of Norrin ever healing himself or someone?

Henshaw can rebuild himself from nothing, so yes his healing is superior to Norrin's to a degree.

Did I ever say otherwise?



Use quotes. This is a mess to read through.

Oh my bad.

I umm, bolded your statements. I'll try and edit the post.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
"mindrape"

And yes we can. Otherwise it would be like assuming that energy blasts wouldn't work on a person, simply because they've never been attacked with any.

You can try and show an example and base a theory on it which is fine.

I'd like to see it considering that

* mindraping cyborgs and kryptonians are notoriosly difficult especially mid battle.

* Surfer has never mindraped anyone, much less another herald+ level foe.

* Henshaw's mindraped Hal (and he needed help to undo it) and understands TP well himself (as per my scans).

If you have something dude, feel free to show it.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Proof of this?

On the first page.

Proof of SS mindraping anyone, especially a herald+ level foe?

Originally posted by Avlon
On the first page.

Proof of SS mindraping anyone, especially a herald+ level foe?

He's resisted mental control from both Xavier and from what's her name (Moonstone? the celestial Madonna) with the Mind gem.

As far as I know, and I'm pretty sure about this, he's never really used mental attacks offensively.

There edited my post Avalon.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh my bad.

I umm, bolded your statements. I'll try and edit the post.

Btw, if you click the scan, it gives you the year, and issue number of the SS scan...



Originally posted by tjcoady
He's resisted mental control from both Xavier and from what's her name (Moonstone? the celestial Madonna) with the Mind gem.

Xavier isn't wrecking any top tier heralds with TP, and as for Moonstone, it's more PIS for the Gem, but acceptable for SS fans to debate should they choose.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
As far as I know, and I'm pretty sure about this, he's never really used mental attacks offensively.

That's why it's pretty moot to bring it up as a debate, though for discussion it's fine.

Originally posted by Avlon
On the first page.

Proof of SS mindraping anyone, especially a herald+ level foe?

SS has telepathy showings that surpass most of those held by some of the best telepaths. He has affected the minds of evry being on earth simultaneously, invaded the mind and easily destroyed the mental defenses of the high level telepath that was messing up current nova with his psi shields on as well as shown the ability to use telepathy from galaxies away. He definitely has the feats that show the strength of his telepathy. CIS is what stops him from making use of it offensively in similar ways to guys like xavier

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If he wasn't weakened and that's a regular blaster, you don't think that's PIS, at all.

Perhaps it was, or maybe it was something that SS is weak to. Henshaw can find and adapt to weaknesses.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If you don't then just let's just end this discussion, as that would mean you are greatly underestimating Silver Surfer.

Then I suggest you not overrate or underrate both ends here.



Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's not.

It's in the address bar...click it.



Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You actually spew that garbage and call me a fanboy?


He has survived blows from Galactus level beings, planetary destruction, harmlessly survived in black holes.

When has Henshaw, ever, EVER, survived a blow from a being at Galactus' level or close?

When has Henshaw ever, EVER, demonstrated, power sufficient for planetary destruction on a whim?

When has Henshaw ever, ever, EVER, survived in an environment or power equal to that of a black hole, if he can't even go toe to toe with Clark?

The only thing that Henshaw hasn't shown is blowing up a planet on a whim (except in his xvover with SS strangely enough) bu then again, SS hasn't handled top tiers and multiple superman level foes simultaneously as easily as Henshaw has. Nor has he one shotted anyone on that level...



Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What?

Henshaw has never shown the abilities necessary, to take down Silver Surfer.

I suggest you read up more on Henshaw.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Going by that scan alone, then yes, Henshaw and anyone else with a lazer can knock out this cosmic level being.

Henshaws weapons have hurt top tiers many a time.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Really, what issue was this in, because I really want to read it, and see the context for myself. Context change the value and meaning of a scan greatly.

Feel free. I have nothing to hide.



Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm a bit confused here, sorry.

Do you mean, I have no proof of Norrin ever healing himself or someone?

He has healed himself and others on multiple occasions.

Healing a huge hole in himself, or rebuilding himself. I know SS can heal other...I'm familiar with both characters.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Henshaw can rebuild himself from nothing, so yes his healing is superior to Norrin's to a certain degree (So it could be debatable).

Henshaw has far superior healing. There is no debate there.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

I know that there must be context that you are leaving out, for example Norrin could have been weakened etc. because if not, that would be his lowest showing in his entire history.


Actually, being hit in the back of the head and KO'd by a brick from Karnak would probably be his all-time low.

As for this mindraping buisness, i'm not sure, but hasent the Surfer read or controlled the minds of an entire world before? I'm just asking because i'm uncertain, but I swear I read or saw that somewhere. If not, sorry.

Originally posted by Naija boy
SS has telepathy showings that surpass most of those held by some of the best telepaths.

I'll let you debate that with TP character fanboys. I'm pretty sure that they would disagree with you wholeheartedly.

On top of that..Henshaw HAS used mindrape offensively and in mid-battle on a herald level foe.

Originally posted by tkitna
Actually, being hit in the back of the head and KO'd by a brick from Karnak would probably be his all-time low.

As for this mindraping buisness, i'm not sure, but hasent the Surfer read or controlled the minds of an entire world before? I'm just asking because i'm uncertain, but I swear I read or saw that somewhere. If not, sorry.

I'd say the poisoned coffee or being entangled in hair would be the worst...

Originally posted by Avlon
I'll let you debate that with TP character fanboys. I'm pretty sure that they would disagree with you wholeheartedly.

On top of that..Henshaw HAS used mindrape offensively and in mid-battle on a herald level foe.

How do hals psi shields work? Are they always on or does he have to turn them on and off? Also it doesnt matter if the character is "Herald level" cuz if he doesnt have high resistance to mental attacks then it doesnt matter. SS has invaded and destroyed the mental defences of a high level telepath who was messing up the mind of current nova ( a herald level character that has mental defenses).

Henshaw can control any type of metal. Surfer, obviously, is covered in metal (hence the name Silver Surfer.) Thus, Henshaw could unquestionably manipulate him.

What doesn't compute for some of you people? ermm

Originally posted by Naija boy
How do hals psi shields work? Are they always on or does he have to turn them on and off? Also it doesnt matter if the character is "Herald level" cuz if he doesnt have high resistance to mental attacks then it doesnt matter. SS has invaded and destroyed the mental defences of a high level telepath who was messing up the mind of current nova ( a herald level character that has mental defenses).

What feats does this "high level telepath" have?

And as it stands... he messed with a psi cone...no mindrape....

Henshaws example still stands as a better mindrape example, though I'm not going around saying either one is better than most native TP'ers....

Originally posted by Avlon






The only thing that Henshaw hasn't shown is blowing up a planet on a whim (except in his xvover with SS strangely enough) bu then again, SS hasn't handled top tiers and multiple superman level foes simultaneously as easily as Henshaw has. Nor has he one shotted anyone on that level...

I know SS can heal other...



First of all saying SS hasnt handled multiple top tiers with the ease henshaw has is faulty because we need to know the context and cirumctances of those fights. I mean If those matches had gone on on a forum where the characters were fighting to full potential would they have gone the same way?

Secondly who are the people u are talking about that Henshaw oneshotted?also in regards to power output SS has put down meph in his own dimension, nearly taken out thor and the rest of the avengers with one blast and has taken out champion with one blast when he decided he had enough.

Originally posted by Galan007
Henshaw can control any type of metal. Surfer, obviously, is covered in metal (hence the name Silver Surfer.) Thus, Henshaw could unquestionably manipulate him.

What doesn't compute for some of you people? ermm

I will destroy you. uhuh

Originally posted by Avlon
What feats does this "high level telepath" have?

And as it stands... he messed with a psi cone...no mindrape....

Henshaws example still stands as a better mindrape example, though I'm not going around saying either one is better than most native TP'ers....

He was mind raping nova while his psi shields were on. The beings "cone of psilence" was his psychic defense which prevented galactus from finding out he was there. SS was able to easily enter his mind and destroy these said defenses.

SS has feats of telepathy above those of alot of native TPers. These feats speak for themselves.

isn't what henshaw is, is just energy. Something surfer can absorb and disrupt. Surfer maybe one of the only characters that can truly kill henshaw since he can most likely destroy him on a level henshaw wouldn't know what to do about.

Originally posted by Mindset


I will destroy you. uhuh Not if I destroy you first. ahah

Originally posted by Naija boy
First of all saying SS hasnt handled multiple top tiers with the ease henshaw has is faulty because we need to know the context and cirumctances of those fights. I mean If those matches had gone on on a forum where the characters were fighting to full potential would they have gone the same way?

That can be said of every character. It can even be said of SS defeating say...Mephisto as in one of your own examples...

Originally posted by Naija boy
Secondly who are the people u are talking about that Henshaw oneshotted?also in regards to power output SS has put down meph in his own dimension,

One time yes... Meph is more interested in his soul than in killing him though. We both know that Meph is far more powerful than SS.

Originally posted by Naija boy
nearly taken out thor and the rest of the avengers with one blast

This was a what if...and SS has lost to Thor..not the other way around.

Originally posted by Naija boy
and has taken out champion with one blast when he decided he had enough.

Mongul, Eradicator, Superman, Supergirl.


Originally posted by Naija boy
He was mind raping nova while his psi shields were on. The beings "cone of psilence" was his psychic defense which prevented galactus from finding out he was there. SS was able to easily enter his mind and destroy these said defenses.

Galactus doesn't pay attention to characters standing beside him most of the time. A tp'er who hides himself mentally is impressive?

SS found him. Now what makes this guy a high level TP? Who has he mindraped or battled?

Originally posted by Naija boy
SS has feats of telepathy above those of alot of native TPers. These feats speak for themselves.

Again. You can take that up with TP character fanboys...I'm sure they would more than happily challenge that.

No i referenced the mephisto example as evidence of SS power output as he was able to heavily affecct a skyfather level being in his own realm with his energy output. Im referencing that part of the fight not trying to use the totality of the fight itself to claim that because he defeated a skyfather he is now above other herald levelers. Im talking about a feat achieved during the fight (which had no context or circumstances surrounding it )



I never denied that nor have i ever claimed surfer is more powerful than meph. Once again i was referencing his poweroutput.



Its not a what if im referencing iirc it an avengers annual. also SS has lost to an amped thor not a regular thor. Further once again im not using the fact that SS "won" or "lost," im simply referencing the strength of his blasts.



He one shotted superman? With the strength of his attacks alone? not because it had some special effect on him?




It wasnt the galactus part that was really important it was the fact that he was mindraping current nova with his full psi shielding on (ive mentioned this numerous times). SS was able to invade his mind and destroy his mental defenses.



Concrete feats are hard to argue with.

Surfer wins.

Originally posted by Galan007
Henshaw can control any type of metal. Surfer, obviously, is covered in metal (hence the name Silver Surfer.) Thus, Henshaw could unquestionably manipulate him.

What doesn't compute for some of you people? ermm

That 'silver' can also be used to describe a color, rather than a metal?



Surfer wins.

Originally posted by Enyalus
That 'silver' can also be used to describe a color, rather than a metal? Meh, all you fanboys have to do is look at Surfer to tell he's metal... And Henshaw controls metal. Comprende?

uhuh

Originally posted by Galan007
Henshaw can control any type of metal. Surfer, obviously, is covered in metal (hence the name Silver Surfer.) Thus, Henshaw could unquestionably manipulate him.

What doesn't compute for some of you people? ermm

Originally posted by Galan007
Meh, all you fanboys have to do is look at Surfer to tell he's metal... And Henshaw controls metal. Comprende?

uhuh

Quiet you uhuh

Originally posted by Galan007
Meh, all you fanboys have to do is look at Surfer to tell he's metal... And Henshaw controls metal. Comprende?

uhuh

Originally posted by psycho gundam


Originally posted by Zack Fair
Quiet you uhuh

Originally posted by Naija boy

Originally posted by Galan007


weep

...

over

Originally posted by Zack Fair
weep

...

over mmm

Originally posted by Galan007
Meh, all you fanboys have to do is look at Surfer to tell he's metal... And Henshaw controls metal. Comprende?

uhuh

No one liked it when I said Surfer was metal in the Magneto battle. Just giving you the same hard time.

Originally posted by Enyalus
No one liked it when I said Surfer was metal in the Magneto battle. Just giving you the same hard time. mmm

It's a decent excuse... You're still a rabid fanboy, though.

pickledance

Henshaw beats Surfers shiny head with a pool stick construct.

SS could probably oneshot Henshaw tbh.

http://i15.tinypic.com/5y2yq86.jpg

Henshaw would three shot Surfer like he did to Superman game over .

Originally posted by iceman24567
Henshaw would three shot Surfer like he did to Superman game over .

No one else is using Henshaw with the rings here...

Originally posted by iceman24567
Henshaw would three shot Surfer like he did to Superman game over . 1 shot is better than 3.

Admit defeat.

Originally posted by Enyalus
No one else is using Henshaw with the rings here... Then he just 4 shots him dur

Originally posted by Mindset
1 shot is better than 3.

Admit defeat. Threes hoes are better than one padawan

Originally posted by iceman24567
Then he just 4 shots him dur

Bah, screw this then. I'm going back to watching Pirates II.

Originally posted by Naija boy
No i referenced the mephisto example as evidence of SS power output as he was able to heavily affecct a skyfather level being in his own realm with his energy output. Im referencing that part of the fight not trying to use the totality of the fight itself to claim that because he defeated a skyfather he is now above other herald levelers. Im talking about a feat achieved during the fight (which had no context or circumstances surrounding it )

Early Superman has achieved the same exact feat...and yet Henshaw has beaten him.



Originally posted by Naija boy
I never denied that nor have i ever claimed surfer is more powerful than meph. Once again i was referencing his poweroutput.

If you believe SS power output is greater than a guy who went toe to toe with Galac for a while...



Originally posted by Naija boy
Its not a what if im referencing iirc it an avengers annual. also SS has lost to an amped thor not a regular thor. Further once again im not using the fact that SS "won" or "lost," im simply referencing the strength of his blasts.

And SS has still lost to Thor even with that "reference"...



Originally posted by Naija boy
He one shotted superman? With the strength of his attacks alone? not because it had some special effect on him?

ummm...yes.

He 3 shotted Supes with the rings. Either way... henshaw handles guys on his level better than SS seems to.




Originally posted by Naija boy
It wasnt the galactus part that was really important it was the fact that he was mindraping current nova with his full psi shielding on (ive mentioned this numerous times). SS was able to invade his mind and destroy his mental defenses.

You claimed this guy is some uber TP. You haven't present anything as such..nor a mindrape.



Originally posted by Naija boy
Concrete feats are hard to argue with.

And so are people who already have their minds made up. I don't see SS as a mindraper or uber TP anymore than I see Henshaw in that light...despite Henshaw actually having done it in battle.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Bah, screw this then. I'm going back to watching Pirates II. Good choice i can do this for days i got my magic back

Originally posted by iceman24567
Threes hoes are better than one padawan 1 supermodel is better than 3 stds

Originally posted by Mindset
1 supermodel is better than 3 stds 3 Aston Martins are better than 1

1 mindset is better than 3 icemans

uhuh

Originally posted by Mindset
1 mindset is better than 3 icemans

uhuh

http://doulifee.com//Storage/aceatt/GyakutenSaiban4/3-4ani-daian-laughs.gif

Originally posted by jasofisc
isn't what henshaw is, is just energy. Something surfer can absorb and disrupt. Surfer maybe one of the only characters that can truly kill henshaw since he can most likely destroy him on a level henshaw wouldn't know what to do about. henshaw is an energy being/consciousness, that's how he can transmit himself through telecommunications technology.

and henshaw is less durable that superman physically, imo if surfer got him down to the entity that is henshaw, he would need a new body lest he be dissipated.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
henshaw is an energy being/consciousness, that's how he can transmit himself through telecommunications technology.

and henshaw is less durable that superman physically, imo if surfer got him down to the entity that is henshaw, he would need a new body lest he be dissipated.

that's what i'm talking about if surfer did break him down to that entity he could absorb that power then rip it apart and scatter it among the cosmos. Maybe surfer doesn't even have to do that. he might be able to extract henshaw from his body. Since henshaw is a energy being/consciousness surfer could do what he does to the hulk with extracting the gama he could do the same to henshaw with what is henshaw

Originally posted by Avlon
Early Superman has achieved the same exact feat...and yet Henshaw has beaten him.

Early supes has achieved what feat? Also once gain faulty logic, as supes and SS are in no way analogous. As i said earlier we take into account things such as context circumstances and context before taking fights in their totality.




When did i claim that? I talking about how that feat shows how high SS poweroutput is in itself. I claimed he was superior to mephisto.



*Sigh* Completely irrelevant to the matter at hand and false in itself. SS hasnt lost to a regular thor before and regardless that whole line of reasoning is faulty in the first place.



Wait is this henshaw with the rings we are discussing here? I thought it was without them? cuz thats what im arguing. Also as i stated in my earlier whether u think henshaw seems to handle such guys better than SS is irrelevant because using forum rules most would be different due to the characters being able to use their powers more efficiently. Also none of those characters are SS nor will they and SS fight the same way on a forum.



I claimed the guy was a high level telepath( i never said he was xavier level) and by overiding novas mental defences he proves that. SS easily invading his mind and destroying his mental defences proves SS ability to use his mental powers offensively when he chooses to. As i said CIS is what prrevents SS from using his mental powers offensively as often as guys like xavier. (Note i also didnt advocate it as a tactic SS wud use in this match).



"Mind raping" is simply affecting another persons mind negatively. SS has positively affected the minds of evryone on earth simultaneously(few telepaths have feats that match this) as well as destroyed the mental defences of a very competent telepath. I say that more than proves his telepathic abilities.

Originally posted by Avlon
http://doulifee.com//Storage/aceatt/GyakutenSaiban4/3-4ani-daian-laughs.gif

Originally posted by Naija boy
Early supes has achieved what feat? Also once gain faulty logic, as supes and SS are in no way analogous. As i said earlier we take into account things such as context circumstances and context before taking fights in their totality.

Not analogous in your mind. Early Supes beat Blaze in her own dimension. Please read up on more characters outside of the Marvelverse. Faulty logic is you debating what you don't know.


Originally posted by Naija boy
*Sigh* Completely irrelevant to the matter at hand and false in itself. SS hasnt lost to a regular thor before and regardless that whole line of reasoning is faulty in the first place.

*Sigh* SS has yet to get a win over Thor and that one statement you are holding onto doesn't amount to a hill of beans...

Originally posted by Naija boy
Wait is this henshaw with the rings we are discussing here? I thought it was without them? cuz thats what im arguing. Also as i stated in my earlier whether u think henshaw seems to handle such guys better than SS is irrelevant because using forum rules most would be different due to the characters being able to use their powers more efficiently. Also none of those characters are SS nor will they and SS fight the same way on a forum.

I've been using regular henshaw. Rings henshaw would be a curbstomp on Surfer and unfair to him.

Originally posted by Naija boy
I claimed the guy was a high level telepath( i never said he was xavier level) and by overiding novas mental defences he proves that. SS easily invading his mind and destroying his mental defences proves SS ability to use his mental powers offensively when he chooses to. As i said CIS is what prrevents SS from using his mental powers offensively as often as guys like xavier. (Note i also didnt advocate it as a tactic SS wud use in this match).

I never advocated the tactic for either one over the other. Simply stated that Henshaw has actually mindraped since it came up.



Originally posted by Naija boy
"Mind raping" is simply affecting another persons mind negatively. SS has positively affected the minds of evryone on earth simultaneously(few telepaths have feats that match this) as well as destroyed the mental defences of a very competent telepath. I say that more than proves his telepathic abilities.

The "affecting" everyones mind wasn't quite the feat you are making it out to be. He didn't go into everyones mind and control anything..it was more of a shared moment of well being.

Originally posted by Avlon
I'd say the poisoned coffee or being entangled in hair would be the worst...

Poisoned coffee? No way. Thats hysterical.

We forgot about the infamous armbar too.

What? How are surfer and supes analogous? Are u telling me that in YOUR mind they are? Further how many times do i have to emphasize the importance of context? U cant use ABC logic and expect it to fly. Supes beating blaze in her own dimension or whatever is irrelevant if the context and circumstances of the victory are not applicable to this fight. The same goes for SS defeating mephisto. Thats why i only talked about how the feat showed SS immense power output because that is something that is relevant here. Im not debating anything i dont know. U are the one leaving out context and bringing in irrelevant things which tell us nothing about this fight.



In all honesty what in the world are u talking about? SS doesnt have a win over thor and so what? They have never even had any conclusive fight. How is any of that even relevant here? Im using his brief encounter with thor to emphasize his power output simple. How hard can this be to understand



If uve been using regular henshaw why did u mention a feat which happened while he was with the rings? How many times do i have to mention the word CONTEXT ? Jeez.



As i said "mindrape" is simply a way affecting anothers mind and SS has shown he is capable of such.



Actually he influenced the minds of evryone on earth and created a sense of peace among them.

ring henshaw was beat off panel by supes in fact henshaw even said that sups almost killed him.

Originally posted by jasofisc
ring henshaw was beat off panel by supes in fact henshaw even said that sups almost killed him. I can't believe the context you left out

Originally posted by iceman24567
I can't believe the context you left out

i did say off panel who knows what happened
not much context when it's off pannel

Originally posted by iceman24567
I can't believe the context you left out What context needed to be mentioned?

Originally posted by Mindset
What context needed to be mentioned? Bruce Wayne snuck up behind Henshaw and transformed into Batman then Batkicked the shit out of Henshaw all this happened off panel and only a selected few knows this

I would believe you, except my limited edition comic shows Bruce molesting Tim while Supes is fighting Henshaw.

Surfer..

Originally posted by Mindset
I would believe you, except my limited edition comic shows Bruce molesting Tim while Supes is fighting Henshaw.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Bah, screw this then. I'm going back to watching Pirates II. An excellent choice of porn.

Originally posted by Galan007
An excellent choice of porn.

*high-fives*

Originally posted by Galan007
An excellent choice of porn. you said that so eloquently.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Bah, screw this then. I'm going back to watching Pirates II.

i haven't gotten round to watching it yet. is that will ferrell guy in this one?

(anyone who's seen pirates 1 will know what i'm talking about)

Originally posted by tkitna
Poisoned coffee? No way. Thats hysterical.

We forgot about the infamous armbar too.

Are we talking about the time he fought the Abomination after being captured by a bunch of wizards, wayyyyyy back when Stan Lee was writing?

It was soup, not coffee. Or "broth." And magic poisoned broth.

Originally posted by Galan007
An excellent choice of porn.

Isn't there a Pirates Three out?

Most expensive porn film of all time...

I star in it.

Originally posted by tjcoady
magic poisoned broth.

Seriously, how can you not love comics back in that era?

Originally posted by tjcoady
Isn't there a Pirates Three out?

Most expensive porn film of all time... I see we have a man who knows his porn.

i havent seen number 2, now i hear there's a number 3... dammit.

You've got to get on that. Srsly.

Originally posted by Galan007
You've got to get on that. Srsly.

nobody answered me on the last page...

That's because no one likes you. uhuh

Originally posted by Galan007
That's because no one likes you. uhuh

sad, but true... sadwalk

It seems that the only thing differentiating Raoul from the spamming pornthirsty users like Galan is that hugeass signature. uhuh

Raoul is also from Ireland, and we all know how 'those people' are.

'Pornthirsty'

Originally posted by Raoul
i thought you weren't allowed to use the "I" word. That's what you thought. evillaugh


More on point, Hank wins due to reasons I already mentioned.

long as its not the fortress like last time...

Originally posted by Naija boy
What? How are surfer and supes analogous? Are u telling me that in YOUR mind they are? Further how many times do i have to emphasize the importance of context? U cant use ABC logic and expect it to fly. Supes beating blaze in her own dimension or whatever is irrelevant if the context and circumstances of the victory are not applicable to this fight. The same goes for SS defeating mephisto. Thats why i only talked about how the feat showed SS immense power output because that is something that is relevant here. Im not debating anything i dont know. U are the one leaving out context and bringing in irrelevant things which tell us nothing about this fight.

Try and keep up. You're stating an example where SS gets a win over Mephisto...so I stated that Supes has done the same thing.

Either way, it stands for nothing vs Henshaw. I don't know why you even went there since it's irrelevant to your case.



Originally posted by Naija boy
In all honesty what in the world are u talking about? SS doesnt have a win over thor and so what? They have never even had any conclusive fight. How is any of that even relevant here? Im using his brief encounter with thor to emphasize his power output simple. How hard can this be to understand

A useless example with an over exaggerated statement. Statement vs on panel. If Surfer ever one shot Thor in a canon story...then let me know.



Originally posted by Naija boy
If uve been using regular henshaw why did u mention a feat which happened while he was with the rings? How many times do i have to mention the word CONTEXT ? Jeez.

I haven't mentioned any feat where Henshaw has rings...what you YOU talking about?

Originally posted by Naija boy
As i said "mindrape" is simply a way affecting anothers mind and SS has shown he is capable of such.

No, you're guesstimating that he can when he hasn't shown the ability. High level telepath indeed...LOL

Originally posted by Naija boy
Actually he influenced the minds of evryone on earth and created a sense of peace among them.

Influence is not the same as mindrape is it? That was a specific circumstance.

Oh my lord God,is context entirely lost on u? Have not been reading a thing ive been saying? I have REPEATEDLY stated that the reason im bringing up the mephisto example is to provide evidence of surfers poweroutput which is something that IS RELEVANT in this match. You then came in with the laughable logic that superman has defeated blaze and that Henshaw has defeated superman. None of which is relevant as u provided absolutley nothing which helps relate it to this instance. Then u started making ridiculous statements about how surfer and supes are analogous. lmao



Huh? what are u talking about here again? How is the example useless? Thor acknowledges the force of the blast himself. And what do u mean by "if surfer ever oneshots thor in a canon story?" The instance im talking about wasnt a what if.




U talked about henshaw threeshotting superman with the rings.





Hasnt shown the ability to what? Affect other peoples minds? Well YES he has. A "mindrape" is a term mostly used on forums and not in comics. It is simply a way of affecting another persons mind. SS has shown he can affect multiple minds simultaneously. If he decided to "mindraping" or whatever u want to call it would be easy considering he has actually negatively affected anothers mind before.



Huh? what do u think "mindraping" is ? Its negatively affecting or influencing another persons mind. With SS numerous telepathic feats its very clear he is capable of such. Also what was a specific circumstance? no external circumstances played a role in SS ability to perform that feat.

High heralds and top tiers are two different things; when will people understand this.

Originally posted by carver9
High heralds and top tiers are two different things; when will people understand this.

we understand. some of us just don't agree with your interpretation.

Originally posted by carver9
High heralds and top tiers are two different things; when will people understand this.

Why don't you post a list of your top tiers and your high heralds.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Why don't you post a list of your top tiers and your high heralds.

I dont need to post a list of top tiers or high heralds if you know who they are. I know one thing if superman is a high herald then mimic is a mid herald.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont need to post a list of top tiers or high heralds if you know who they are. I know one thing if superman is a high herald then mimic is a mid herald.

Because Mimic is a class 50 who can do half the light of speed?

I don't know what top tier is.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Because Mimic is a class 50 who can do half the light of speed?

I don't know what top tier is.

From the way the forum has been throwing people in the high herald class theres no such thing as top tiers anymore.

Mimic lift more then 50 tons and has proven this on many of occasions and he goes half the speed of light, invulnerable, shoot cosmic blast out of his eyes, along with his invulnerability he has one of the best healing factors in his universe, claws, etc..., I can keep going but hes still far less then even a top tier.

Once again, what was Top Tier?

Originally posted by carver9
From the way the forum has been throwing people in the high herald class theres no such thing as top tiers anymore.

Mimic lift more then 50 tons and has proven this on many of occasions and he goes half the speed of light, invulnerable, shoot cosmic blast out of his eyes, along with his invulnerability he has one of the best healing factors in his universe, claws, etc..., I can keep going but hes still far less then even a top tier.

He can't lift more than 50 tons.

And he has half of Wolverine's healing factor.

And he's dead, lmao.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Once again, what was Top Tier?



He can't lift more than 50 tons.

And he has half of Wolverine's healing factor.

And he's dead, lmao.

He died by proteus who can solo half of the people that has been brought up on the forum.

I agree, he does have HALF of wolverine healing factor but the guy healed from his entire insides being burned out in like two panels.

When he was locked bar with namor who was stated as being thors equal, and when he tripped galactus up with nothing but strength and was also armed barred with King hyperion who proved as being stronger then all the beings in that universe, that put him far over the 50 ton range if you ask me.

Once again, what is top tier?

Originally posted by carver9
He died by proteus who can solo half of the people that has been brought up on the forum.

I agree, he does have HALF of wolverine healing factor but the guy healed from his entire insides being burned out in like two panels.

When he was locked bar with namor who was stated as being thors equal, and when he tripped galactus up with nothing but strength and was also armed barred with King hyperion who proved as being stronger then all the beings in that universe, that put him far over the 50 ton range if you ask me.

He died by proteus, exactly. Someone with a decent healing factor wouldn't decay like Mimic did. Plain Wolverine's healing factor would've sustained proteus, Mimic's could not.

So?

Thor must be pretty damn good then, when he's able to one-shot his supposed equal. I also think you need to reread the fight with King Hyperion, seeing as Mimic was never more than a nuisance.

Originally posted by carver9
namor who was stated as being thors equal,

Namor as thors equal?!?!?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Once again, what is top tier?



He died by proteus, exactly. Someone with a decent healing factor wouldn't decay like Mimic did. Plain Wolverine's healing factor would've sustained proteus, Mimic's could not.

So?

Thor must be pretty damn good then, when he's able to one-shot his supposed equal. I also think you need to reread the fight with King Hyperion, seeing as Mimic was never more than a nuisance.

I dont think that wolverine or hulk would survive with proteus in them since he does absorb your life force, I dont care how decent your healing factor is, especially with the time that proteus was in mimics body. Lets put it like this, if it was anybody else, they would have died instantly.

About the top tier question, that is something that you need to ask the mods beecause honestly, I dont think that it exist any more.

i never said that mimic was giving hyperion a fight, I said that him his push against hyperion for a short period of time was decentl. Hell noone gave King hyperion a fight, not even two regular hyperions or the entire earths defense. They all died in minutes against him.

Mimic feats put him above 50 tons, thats all I'm trying to say.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Namor as thors equal?!?!?

I never said that I agreed with it but it was stated in the comic that his strength was equal to thors and hulks.

I never said that I agreed with it since both hulks and thor strength is incalculable.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said that I agreed with it but it was stated in the comic that his strength was equal to thors and hulks.

I never said that I agreed with it since both hulks and thor strength is incalculable.

Well at least u dont agree with it.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Well at least u dont agree with it.


BUT, namor has done this...................... just playing but he is still a 100 tonner.

Once again, what is your definition of top tier?

Originally posted by carver9
I dont think that wolverine or hulk would survive with proteus in them since he does absorb your life force, I dont care how decent your healing factor is, especially with the time that proteus was in mimics body. Lets put it like this, if it was anybody else, they would have died instantly.

About the top tier question, that is something that you need to ask the mods beecause honestly, I dont think that it exist any more.

i never said that mimic was giving hyperion a fight, I said that him his push against hyperion for a short period of time was decentl. Hell noone gave King hyperion a fight, not even two regular hyperions or the entire earths defense. They all died in minutes against him.

Mimic feats put him above 50 tons, thats all I'm trying to say.

Only they did survive Proteus. If you had kept on reading the Exiles comics you would've seen that Proteus eventually jumped into Hulk's body, which was able to sustain him permanently, until he jumped into Morph's body which was also able to sustain him permanently. That's 2 healing factors right there that are vastly superior to Mimic's.

Only, Namora did far more damage to Hyperion than Mimic did. Mimic's stand only lasted a 5 seconds, where as Namora was able to snap his neck. The two other Hyperions were defeating him, and none of them were trying to kill him even.

You don't know how the fights against the alternate earths occurred, nor do you know how strong the heroes there were. This is purely speculation. Which seems to be not your strong suit, but your only suit.

Like I said, his feats do not put him above 50 ton.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Once again, what is your definition of top tier?



Only they did survive Proteus. If you had kept on reading the Exiles comics you would've seen that Proteus eventually jumped into Hulk's body, which was able to sustain him permanently, until he jumped into Morph's body which was also able to sustain him permanently. That's 2 healing factors right there that are vastly superior to Mimic's.

Only, Namora did far more damage to Hyperion than Mimic did. Mimic's stand only lasted a 5 seconds, where as Namora was able to snap his neck. The two other Hyperions were defeating him, and none of them were trying to kill him even.

You don't know how the fights against the alternate earths occurred, nor do you know how strong the heroes there were. This is purely speculation. Which seems to be not your strong suit, but your only suit.

Like I said, his feats do not put him above 50 ton.

I agree and I forgot about him jumping into maestro body and morphs. Mimics healing factor is impressive, deal with it and his durability withstood a lot.

King hyperion was a beast though, dont try to change it as if he wasnt but everything else, I agree with and I give you the win.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree and I forgot about him jumping into maestro body and morphs. Mimics healing factor is impressive, deal with it and his durability withstood a lot.

King hyperion was a beast though, dont try to change it as if he wasnt but everything else, I agree with and I give you the win.

Pull your tongue outta my ass ol' Carver, dogs do that. You're not a dog are you Carver?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Pull your tongue outta my ass ol' Carver, dogs do that. You're not a dog are you Carver?

Far away from it but I did give you your props on your post because it was true. Again I accept my defeat, now take it and STHU.