Originally posted by Naija boy
Unlike raiden, SS has actually easily destroyed a planet while holding back. As well as created blackholes as aftereffects of his energy blasts. Far more impressive than anything Raiden has ever actually done or come close to doing. The implication is and has been since MK I that Raiden ciertainly has the means to do the same and the only reason he didn't while fighting Shinnok was because he was trying to protect it. Once again, the goal is not to destroy the planet so it's fairly impressive given that it was a younger weaker version of Raiden.
Originally posted by Naija boy
SS does not fight like flash in the sense that he does not attack physically at high speeds. ( though as weve seen against nova who has FTL refelexes he is easily capable of such). He however has shown that he can launch attacks(blasts) at superspeeds while on his board. True. And I would not argue otherwise.
Originally posted by Naija boy
His h2h skills are irrelevant in this match as there is no logical reason for SS to get into a purely h2h confrontation with Raiden. True.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Even then he has a huge strength advantage ( overpowered the hulk and multiple others) That's a baseless assumption on your part, though little evidence exists for Raiden's sheer strength level, no limited has ever been suggested for the character which makes this impossible to determine.
Originally posted by Naija boy
and and even greater durability advantage. ( fought inside blackhole while weakened, survived supernovas unscathed, taken numerous attacks from galactus level beings etc). further in battle SS actually has been able to actually react ahead of and operate faster than teleportation. I agree to the durability point, but it's once again a baseless assumption. If Raiden is fighting at a planet busting level as a newborn one assumes him to have an incredibly high level of durability.
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Originally posted by Naija boy
The evidence of SS power output durability and strength is there. If Raiden has no concrete feats comparable to such then by forum rules he loses badly. That's just it. There's hardly any evidene to support Raiden. going by games, he's strong enough to bust planets, that much is certain, and his fight with Shao Khan in MKIIIU caused all of outworld to quake, which is hundreds of planets amalgamated together. If the comics are any indication to his power he was able to rip through demensional walls with little effort. There's never been a stated limit to his power output and that's a problem, because we know he's powerful, but we don't know just how powerful.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Actually saying raiden is comparable to surfer in many ways is what is completely unsupported by any proof. On the forum we use feats when debating characters. Raiden has no feats to put him on SS level period. What I said, was, Raiden "Should be"....
That's ideal.
As to if he is, well that's, as I stated an open ended question.
I disagree. I would say flying from his pantheon around the world before Kano could surface from water is an incredible speed feat.
Causing a storm that spread across outworld is an incredible feat while weakened.
ripping through demensional walls, planet busting and outworld quaking are all extremely powerful feats that cosmics do on the daily. So he "should be" around Surfer's level. The only thing is that the game canon doesn't give us much to work with.
What you CAN argue is against his lack of feats, which is fine but you can't keep stating that Surfer better period. Because it's not that simple. He's better until Raiden has similar feats maybe but at the same time we've never seen Raiden's limit to his power at an all out level seeing as the only time he ever went all out was against Shao Khan while he was weakening due to the outworld merger.
So as I asked, based on what. Because it's not Raiden's limitations, but your speculation of them. And that's fine, I just want you to know that.