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This is the first time I liked the second part of a 2-fer less than the first.

Took a while for the thread schmoll

Nice episode, I love Aayla's saber style. Didn't get why they let so many droids through the shield though, Ahsoka was just running past half of them to get inside.....would have been easier to just kill them while she was there.

About "killing droids": You can't kill something that isn't alive, can you?

"We will not fight them at all. We would rather die than to kill others." That's what the leader of the Lurmen said. My point is: they could have fought the droids and destroyed them. Destroying a droid isn't killing.

Well that is the whole thing Lucas used...the Jedi "aren't" betraying their beliefs because they're hacking apart inanimate objects. Like in ROTS when all the Nemoidian crew can run around but the Jedi will hack apart droids.

Point is, the Lurmen gave in. Star Wars teaches you to sacrifice your ideals. They're kind of the anti-Nahdar...he saw the game had changed and succumbed to it and died....the Lurmen succumbed and lived.

Then, in the OT, we have stormies gunned down left and right, so really, killing things is OK as long as you think they're bad....

I think Lucas needs a logic upgrade....

Actually that reasoning was just due to the on-screen violence problem of cutting organic things up all the time. There was no moral implication to it, and hence no logical issue.

Originally posted by Hybris
About "killing droids": You can't kill something that isn't alive, can you?

"We will not fight them at all. We would rather die than to kill others." That's what the leader of the Lurmen said. My point is: they could have fought the droids and destroyed them. Destroying a droid isn't killing.

While the wording is suspect; as you said, they'd be destroying machines adn not living creatures, I think the point was that they're a peaceful race and completely against all violence, ie They/Lucas used Ghandi when making this race.

Indeed, the Lemur Leader's point was that the Lurmen were an entirely peaceful race. That means they did not resort to violence for any reason, even against non-living things such as the droids.

The 'infiltrate the base and kill the droids to take the ship' part was done really well, I thought. No really huge complaints about this episode.

I liked it too

I hear episode 15 is the best so far this season....

..according to IGN

#15 is good, probably not the best.

I still want the Ordo Review for this one. Also, the thread title said it was the 13th episode, edited it for Ordo.

Although killing a droid is not really killing, they would be still taking part in a war that did kill billions. I believe that is what the leader meant.

Or even just the act of violence. Even if a droid is not alive, they would still be making violent efforts to stop it from functioning.

Episode 16 - WHAT THE ****? A nice episode, too-short-lightsaber-battle (better than nothing), then it sets up for a massive battle against 1000 battle droids.......then the episode finishes. Its not even a 2 parter so we wont get to see the battle.



Oh and #17 has Jar Jar again. I'm seriously pissed off now.

16 just was a short introduction to the clone wars movie (the war over Christophisis) I guess.

What bothered me most was that the episode made it seem as if Ventress is skilled enough to engage both Skywalker and Kenobi and hold her own...

Well if you take EU into account... she really is until the near end of the war. In the novels her kill count at the end of war included 17 Jedi, four of them masters.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Well if you take EU into account... she really is until the near end of the war. In the novels her kill count at the end of war included 17 Jedi, four of them masters.

she was killed?

I've only read Obsession (GN) and she didn't die, though she made it look that way...

Originally posted by Hybris
16 just was a short introduction to the clone wars movie (the war over Christophisis) I guess.



Serious? Talk about continuity

Originally posted by S_D_J
she was killed?

I've only read Obsession (GN) and she didn't die, though she made it look that way...

Where did I say she was killed?

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Where did I say she was killed?

must have been tripping

I misread your post

Defenders of Peace - Mini Review

Reaction: Negative
Season 1 Record: 7-7

The Good:
Aayla had a really great saber style.
The Assault on the bunker sequence was really well done, amusing, suspenseful, and new ground for the series. Great camerawork too.

The Bad:
The main reason this episode failed is the Lurmens bailed. Basically, I felt the moral of the story was: "in a time of crisis, sacrifice all your values, no matter what the cost." The Lurmens standing up to the Jedi in part one was what MADE the episode. In this part 2, they just rolled over.

Durd was way over-hyped for how pathetic of a character he was. What happened to him too? Sorry Takei, go back to Sulu. It just shows that incompetence is apparently a dominant trait among Neimoidians.

What I want to see:
A Neimoidian with skill instead of power (maybe the solders we saw on Mustufar?)

Someone stand up to the Jedi and prove there are two sides to this war.