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Superman (Sundipped) vs De powered Tyrant.

Besides the fact that Sundipped Superman makes no ****ing sense scientifically, his powers obviously reach ridiculous levels. I mean the guy raped D.S. (Someone Morisson refers to as a celestial capable of splitting the planet in half) when he was "sun tanned", so when fully dipped the guy must be reaching Juggernaut level durability and well Pre Crisis level strength. Now Thanos has shown to be on this level, especially when he fought Odin and owned Power Gem Thor (Someone who must be on par with Sundipped Superman) however Supermans range of powers truly are immense. I don't think Supes has much of a chance, buts its closer than a few will think and I want to cause some controversy. Don't forget, the assormant of heroes that Tyrant owned where not on Sundipped Superman level of power (for example, Surfer was definitely not in his newly restored form etc).

I don't even know where to start with that post.

Supes uses his superior superspeed H2H pressure point strikes ftw.




facepalm

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Superman (Sundipped) vs De powered Tyrant.

Besides the fact that Sundipped Superman makes no ****ing sense scientifically, his powers obviously reach ridiculous levels. I mean the guy raped D.S. (Someone Morisson refers to as a celestial capable of splitting the planet in half) when he was "sun tanned", so when fully dipped the guy must be reaching Juggernaut level durability and well Pre Crisis level strength. Now Thanos has shown to be on this level, especially when he fought Odin and owned Power Gem Thor (Someone who must be on par with Sundipped Superman) however Supermans range of powers truly are immense. I don't think Supes has much of a chance, buts its closer than a few will think and I want to cause some controversy. Don't forget, the assormant of heroes that Tyrant owned where not on Sundipped Superman level of power (for example, Surfer was definitely not in his newly restored form etc).


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Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
I bet I can guess what it would amount to though:

Blah, bla , blah , blah, blah , blah , blah MY Idiosyncratic opinion, blah blah blah blah, insult, idiosyncratic opinion, isdiosyncratic oppion, blah blah, blah, blah, blah blah, blah , isnult, blhahhhhhhhhh


That response was good for a laugh.

It's close. But I just can't bring myself to read all that...close though.

Its difficult enough to analyze Morg juiced up. But at least we have a rough sketch to draw a comparisons based on the class of characters, and their numbers.

While all we know is that Superman gets extremely power when he soaks himself into the sun.

based on the sun dipped superman from our world at war (which is the only one that actually meant something when superman did that) i'm going to go with superman. He was just too powerfull I agree that it would be close but I see superman coming out on top.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
I bet I can guess what it would amount to though:

Blah, bla , blah , blah, blah , blah , blah MY Idiosyncratic opinion, blah blah blah blah, insult, idiosyncratic opinion, isdiosyncratic oppion, blah blah, blah, blah, blah blah, blah , isnult, blhahhhhhhhhh Tyrant wins.

Tyrant wins

tyrant FTW

Supes FTW.

Neither wins, this end with Prime appearing and pimp-slapping both so hard that they say uncle.

Tyrant for the win

supes and not because i'm a dc fanboy.

Supes wins,coz he push teh planetz!!!

Tyrant wins, coz he cut teh galactuz!!!

Tyrant>>>>>>>>>>Kent w/a sundip.

Tyrant takes this everytime.

I ask the same question everyone should've asked. Sundipped for how long?

Superman takes this.

Originally posted by carnage52
supes and not because i'm a dc fanboy. Then why?

Can I ask a legit question. I've seen supes look very bad when staying in the sun for too long. Does this mean he couldn't just stay in there for days and eventually reaches a soaking point where it's time to leave?

He can stay as long as he wants in the sun.

Kurupt: AllStar Superman. Elseworlds, not canon to mainstream Superman. though that Superman does actually exist somewhere given the nature of Hypertime.

Hmmm, I'll give a sundipped supes 7/10

tyrant

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Kurupt: AllStar Superman. Elseworlds, not canon to mainstream Superman. though that Superman does actually exist somewhere given the nature of Hypertime.

Yes but have we seen mainstream supes stay in the sun for a prolonged period of time and seen it not affect him? Point being as you say if those supes do exist and those are the instances we've seen him in the sun for awhile and affected why wouldn't it or be possible it does the same to other versions? Just trying to figure that out as I've always wondered which is true.

How can anyone logically assume Superman wins here at all?

I mean, if Tyrant wanted to, he could probably drain Superman of all his Solar Energy with a thought.

Either way, Tyrant beats the crap out of Clark.

Here comes a rant, ignore it.



Enough of all this Pre-Crisis powerful assumption. Clark has been put down by Konvict, been given a bloody nose by Hercules, etc.

He would have to Sun-Dip for a long, long time for his power levels to reach those of Pre-Crisis.

Pre-Crisis Superman sneezes Solar Systems out of existence. On a sick day, his bodily noises, can cause more damage, than Clark on a good day.

Pre-Crisis Superman, worked on a level beyond New Earth Superman in my own opinion. It was as if, as long as he wanted it bad enough he could do anything.

He constantly defied the laws of physics.

I simply believe, he could do anything to an extent. His core power set in my opinion (If I recall all his ridiculous feats correctly) simply worked in a different way. There wasn't to much logic behind it besides the fact that he gets his power for a Yellow Sun. The mechanics of what he did, were not based on any known laws. I mean didn't writers simply give him new powers for any situation to simply try them out?

Didn't he seal of an entire Universe from the rest of the Multiverse, with his heat vision? I mean how is that possible. I know it is a comic but my point is, that crap like that wouldn't happen now without at least some logic behind it.

Either way, simply me rant and ignore it lol.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Here comes a rant, ignore it.

Will do.

I wasn't talking to you.

Wut is that, like 6 walls of texts in like 5 minutes?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How can anyone logically assume Superman wins here at all?

I mean, if Tyrant wanted to, he could probably drain Superman of all his Solar Energy with a thought.

Either way, Tyrant beats the crap out of Clark.

Here comes a rant, ignore it.



Enough of all this Pre-Crisis powerful assumption. Clark has been put down by Konvict, been given a bloody nose by Hercules, etc.

He would have to Sun-Dip for a long, long time for his power levels to reach those of Pre-Crisis.

Pre-Crisis Superman sneezes Solar Systems out of existence. On a sick day, his bodily noises, can cause more damage, than Clark on a good day.

Pre-Crisis Superman, worked on a level beyond New Earth Superman in my own opinion. It was as if, as long as he wanted it bad enough he could do anything.

He constantly defied the laws of physics.

I simply believe, he could do anything to an extent. His core power set in my opinion (If I recall all his ridiculous feats correctly) simply worked in a different way. There wasn't to much logic behind it besides the fact that he gets his power for a Yellow Sun. The mechanics of what he did, were not based on any known laws. I mean didn't writers simply give him new powers for any situation to simply try them out?

Didn't he seal of an entire Universe from the rest of the Multiverse, with his heat vision? I mean how is that possible. I know it is a comic but my point is, that crap like that wouldn't happen now without at least some logic behind it.

Either way, simply me rant and ignore it lol.


Here's you answer: NO

Oh wow. What an intelligent response....

Yes it's true his IQ is over 200

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How can anyone logically assume Superman wins here at all?

I mean, if Tyrant wanted to, he could probably drain Superman of all his Solar Energy with a thought.

Either way, Tyrant beats the crap out of Clark.

Here comes a rant, ignore it.



Enough of all this Pre-Crisis powerful assumption. Clark has been put down by Konvict, been given a bloody nose by Hercules, etc.

He would have to Sun-Dip for a long, long time for his power levels to reach those of Pre-Crisis.

Pre-Crisis Superman sneezes Solar Systems out of existence. On a sick day, his bodily noises, can cause more damage, than Clark on a good day.

Pre-Crisis Superman, worked on a level beyond New Earth Superman in my own opinion. It was as if, as long as he wanted it bad enough he could do anything.

He constantly defied the laws of physics.

I simply believe, he could do anything to an extent. His core power set in my opinion (If I recall all his ridiculous feats correctly) simply worked in a different way. There wasn't to much logic behind it besides the fact that he gets his power for a Yellow Sun. The mechanics of what he did, were not based on any known laws. I mean didn't writers simply give him new powers for any situation to simply try them out?

Didn't he seal of an entire Universe from the rest of the Multiverse, with his heat vision? I mean how is that possible. I know it is a comic but my point is, that crap like that wouldn't happen now without at least some logic behind it.

Either way, simply me rant and ignore it lol.

Didn't he beat konvick rather easily and isn't konvick a team wrecker to boot.Besides that, supes was only sun-dipepd for a few hours when we saw him when he moved warworld and...well watever kind of to lazy to reply to all of thise.

Originally posted by kgkg
Yes it's true his IQ is over 200

Thank you captain obvious....

Anyone could see that, based on his intelligent reply to me. I mean it has be completely stumped.

I conceded the moment I read it.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Didn't he beat konvick rather easily and isn't konvick a team wrecker to boot.Besides that, supes was only sun-dipepd for a few hours when we saw him when he moved warworld and...well watever kind of to lazy to reply to all of thise.

Lol.



When did he defeat Konvict rather easily?

Konvict put him down in one punch in the past and that was a really bad showing for Clark's reflexes.

I think Clark was trying to stop Konvict's fist with his face. Didn't work out to well.

Did it happen in Trinity? I have every issue published but I haven't gotten time to read the last 4 issues (I was planning to catch up on my comic reading tomorrow. I don't have any classes tomorrow fortunately.).

What are you talking about?

When did I refer to the Sun-Dipped Superman of War World?

Lol....

I'm a fanboy. Supes takes this.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Did it happen in Trinity? I have every issue published but I haven't gotten time to read the last 4 issues

Have you read the first 22 issues? or any other Superman comic? Ever?

Originally posted by Mindset
Will do.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Didn't he beat konvick rather easily and isn't konvick a team wrecker to boot.Besides that, supes was only sun-dipepd for a few hours when we saw him when he moved warworld and...well watever kind of to lazy to reply to all of thise.

Konvikt one-shotted Superman at the start of the fight. A KO, or at minimum, a 'flash KO.' The next issue he gets back up and fights alongside Diana, whom they still can't put down. Batman nerve-gas plot device FTW.

And when he moved Warworld he was sundipped for a few minutes at most.




It happens in Trinity 4-5.

Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
Have you read the first 22 issues? or any other Superman comic? Ever?

I stopped reading Trinity after issue 18. Does Superman end up fighting Konvikt again and winning?

Originally posted by Enyalus
I stopped reading Trinity after issue 18. Does Superman end up fighting Konvikt again and winning?

No; I was making more of a general statement than anything specific to Konvict.

I will say that Supes getting knocked on his backside in one panel and back up the next doesn't prove anything; except that Supes really doesn't need to underestimate people he's never met.

But that's not meant to be directed at you, Eny...

Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
No; I was making more of a general statement than anything specific to Konvict.

I will say that Supes getting knocked on his backside in one panel and back up the next doesn't prove anything; except that Supes really doesn't need to underestimate people he's never met.

But that's not meant to be directed at you, Eny...

Alright. But your "next panel" reference is wrong. The next panel shows Superman on his back in a pile of debris with his eyes closed. The next issue, however, is when he gets back in the fight. Like I said, at the very least, it was a 'flash KO.'

Again I ask haven't we seen various supes really affected from being in the sun too long and just not be able to stay in there for days. Have we seen mainstream supes sundipping for days yet? If other supes have been shown to not be able to why would mainstream be able to?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Alright. But your "next panel" reference is wrong. The next panel shows Superman on his back in a pile of debris with his eyes closed. The next issue, however, is when he gets back in the fight. Like I said, at the very least, it was a 'flash KO.'

You're right; but I still wouldn't say that proves anything. It's just indicative of Busiek's writing style. Look at JLA/Avengers #1; Thor put Supes down with an initial hit, then he's back up at the start of the next issue.

That didn't mean Thor was that much better, it's just how Busiek builds cliffhanger tension. He used to do the same thing when he wrote Valor.

Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
You're right; but I still wouldn't say that proves anything. It's just indicative of Busiek's writing style. Look at JLA/Avengers #1; Thor put Supes down with an initial hit, then he's back up at the start of the next issue.

Meh, like Morrison, I don't much care for Busiek when he writes DC stuff (Action Comics...Didn't he do Dream War, too?)

But Galen's point was that Superman beat Konvikt 'rather easily.' And nothing could be farther from the truth.

Originally posted by Enyalus
It happens in Trinity 4-5.

The Great Galan said that Superman beat Konvict rather easily which isn't true.

Konvict basically one shotted him to an extent, and later on both he and Diana had some trouble.

Either way, I think that fight was pretty stupid. The Justice League members were toned down and were not using their abilities.

I mean Firestorm taken out by a flying debris???

Vixen who can copy any meta human's powers back then, was also taken out by flying debris???

The Flash taken out by a thunder clap???

Superman with his reflexes and speed shouldn't he flown into that punch.

Either way, who cares.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol.



When did he defeat Konvict rather easily?

Konvict put him down in one punch in the past and that was a really bad showing for Clark's reflexes.

I think Clark was trying to stop Konvict's fist with his face. Didn't work out to well.

Did it happen in Trinity? I have every issue published but I haven't gotten time to read the last 4 issues (I was planning to catch up on my comic reading tomorrow. I don't have any classes tomorrow fortunately.).

What are you talking about?

When did I refer to the Sun-Dipped Superman of War World?

Lol....

Kinvict was build up as a team wrecker, and the point I was making about the sun-dipp was that supes only needs a very brief amount of time for a drastic increase in stats.

When we talk about Sundip, we generally talk about OWAW. And I have no need to bring up what feats he did in that book, speculation and downplaying be damned.

You can either bash him and the feats, or take them in context, with the full power and signifigance. I dare you to put Tyrant up against B-13 and Warworld, see how well they do.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
You can either bash him and the feats, or take them in context, with the full power and signifigance. I dare you to put Tyrant up against B-13 and Warworld, see how well they do.

Sure. I'll take the bet that Tyrant could beat a few of Braniac's robotic drones and move a dwarf planet under his own power.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Kinvict was build up as a team wrecker, and the point I was making about the sun-dipp was that supes only needs a very brief amount of time for a drastic increase in stats.

The Justice League fought as jokes so....

Superman tried to block Konvict's punch with his face lol.

He does only need a few moment's to get significantly stronger.

Evil's Plight?






Sorry. Way off topic.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Justice League fought as jokes so....

Superman tried to block Konvict's punch with his face lol.

He does only need a few moment's to get significantly stronger.

Doesn't take away from konvict's level of power, I mean we could argue the infinity watch that battled Thor w/pg was a huge joke sinece thor was fighting with serious CIS

Originally posted by The Great Galen
I mean we could argue the infinity watch that battled Thor w/pg was a huge joke sinece thor was fighting with serious CIS

Why do you always say that? And besides, Thor won his fight even with CIS. The JLA did not.





...Til Bats saved their asses.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Why do you always say that? And besides, Thor won his fight even with CIS. The JLA did not.





...Til Bats saved their asses.

Bats>Marvel&DCU and that's a fact, although I guess marvel opinion of the infinity watch is just pretty low while DC has a pretty high opinion of Konvict.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Bats>Marvel&DCU and that's a fact, although I guess marvel opinion of the infinity watch is just pretty low while DC has a pretty high opinion of Konvict.

Originally posted by Mindset


C'mon, tell me the infinity watch were not shit in that fight....althought If I remember correctly they were holding back so I guess it doesn't count.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
I guess marvel opinion of the infinity watch is just pretty low while DC has a pretty high opinion of Konvict.

Right. Because WM Thor w/ Power Gem and Konvikt are even remotely comparable.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Right. Because WM Thor w/ Power Gem and Konvikt are even remotely comparable.

Do KMC a favor and stop posting.

So then I guess the inifnity watch just really suck then lol, Konvict just comes off very beastly....the infinity watch just had a real bad day.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So then I guess the inifnity watch just really suck then lol, Konvict just comes off very beastly....the infinity watch just had a real bad day.

Let me break it down for you in a manner your brain can handle and process the information:

Infinity Watch >>> PIS-ridden JLA minus the Trinity.

CIS WM Thor w/ PG >>> Konvikt.

Put two and two together.

4?

Originally posted by Mindset
4?

Don't give him the answer, dude. Make him work for it.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Let me break it down for you in a manner your brain can handle and process the information:

Infinity Watch >>> PIS-ridden JLA minus the Trinity.

CIS WM Thor w/ PG >>> Konvikt.

Put two and two together.

Hmmm, so CIS-ridden Thor>>>>>>Infinity Watch?

Nevermind. Thanks for missing the entire point.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Nevermind. Thanks for missing the entire point.




Well I just didn't think u hated the infinity watch so much.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well I just didn't think u hated the infinity watch so much.

I just think...no, I know that comparing the Infinity Watch to a JLA missing it's three biggest players is stupid.

As is comparing WM Thor w/ PG to Konvikt.


But hey, what do I know. It's not like I've read both arcs or anything.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I just think...no, I know that comparing the Infinity Watch to a JLA missing it's three biggest players is stupid.

As is comparing WM Thor w/ PG to Konvikt.


But hey, what do I know. It's not like I've read both arcs or anything.

Just think the IW sucked ass during that arc.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Just think the IW sucked ass during that arc.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well I just didn't think u hated the infinity watch so much.




I have no problems with them or how they performed. It appears you do.

You think they were portrayed to the best of there abilites....I mean who the hell onshots Strange and SS?

Watch jobbed, same as JLA. You had Dr. ****ing Strange get knocked down. Nuff said.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Watch jobbed, same as JLA. You had Dr. ****ing Strange get knocked down. Nuff said.

Yeah. By his own energies after they were turned back on him. And it was by a Thor who was more than 10 times as powerful than he normally is. And had just thrashed Surfer, Warlock, BRB, Drax, and Gamora without the gem.

PIS.

Originally posted by skygunner41
PIS.

No. Thor in WM is just that f*cking powerful. And he'd thrash Konvikt or the JLA minus their stars. Which is what Konvikt did. And then when the Big 3 came, they backed off and let Diana and Supes take over.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Yeah. By his own energies after they were turned back on him. And it was by a Thor who was more than 10 times as powerful than he normally is. And had just thrashed Surfer, Warlock, BRB, Drax, and Gamora without the gem.

Gamora and Drax don't bother me, but warklock,SS,BRB and strange.....marvel you got some s'plaining to do.

Originally posted by Enyalus
No. Thor in WM is just that f*cking powerful. And he'd thrash Konvikt or the JLA minus their stars. Which is what Konvikt did. And then when the Big 3 came, they backed off and let Diana and Supes take over.

Konvict is just that badass....IW were just a joke that time.

Exactly.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Konvict is just that badass....IW were just a joke that time.

Do I have to report you for trolling, or are you going to back that up with evidence?


By everyone's admission, the JLA jobbed and were heavy with PIS. Drax had the Power Gem and was one-shotted by Thor. The IW would kick the JLA who fought Konvikt's ass, easily. And Thor would do it even harder than Konvikt did.

Your comparison of Thor and Konvikt was absolutely ridiculous and completely fanboyish. Accept it. Move on.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Do I have to report you for trolling, or are you going to back that up with evidence?


By everyone's admission, the JLA jobbed and were heavy with PIS. Drax had the Power Gem and was one-shotted by Thor. The IW would kick the JLA who fought Konvikt's ass, easily. And Thor would do it even harder than Konvikt did.

Your comparison of Thor and Konvikt was absolutely ridiculous and completely fanboyish. Accept it. Move on.

The IW sucked pure and simple, u may have a low opinion of them but personally I don't buy a second of it. Anyhow Konvict is a team wrecker and I guess Thor is one too........didn't know it was that easy beat the marvel top tiers.

Tyrant wins, and you're back on ignore, Galen. No more wasting keyboard strokes on your baseless opinions.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Tyrant wins, and you're back on ignore, Galen. No more wasting keyboard strokes on your baseless opinions.

U just said Thor>IW, all I said was Konvict was badass....

Will you two please stop arguing? Stating opinions without backing them is not report-worthy, so please only use that if you start actively insulting each other.