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Okay so he runs a gauntlet to prove his strength
They really aren't balanced

1: Superman, Ultraman, Supergirl, WW, and Thor
2: Kyle, Hal, Yat, DS
3: SS, Odin, and Thanos
4: Galactus(peak that was shown)
5: Ion(peak)
6: Marvel Earth(everyone living)(current)
7: Thanos with IG
8: LT
9: Superman Cosmic armor

9

He makes it to nine.

Is he that powerful? Surely Ion would be stronger. Mandrakk never did anything impressive.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Is he that powerful? Surely Ion would be stronger. Mandrakk never did anything impressive.

There is no character more powerful than Mandrakk within the entirety of the DC Multiverse, with the exception of other monitors, Superman in the cosmic armor, and possibly God/Great Evil Beast.

8-9.

What are Mandrakk's feats?

Originally posted by Mindset
What are Mandrakk's feats?

Creating the entirety of the DC Multiverse.

That's it?

lulz.

awesome

Mandrakk created this DCU? WTF happened to the Presence? Asleep that day?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Mandrakk created this DCU? WTF happened to the Presence? Asleep that day?

It's theorized that the Presence is NOT supreme being anymore.

If you read Final Crisis in conjunction with Relevations, Morrison more or less states that the Supreme Being in the DCU is:

Us.

We're the Supreme Being. The audience. Anyone who reads DC comics.

That was the metatextual point of the Miracle Machine.

Originally posted by Draco69
It's theorized that the Presence is NOT supreme being anymore.

If you read Final Crisis in conjunction with Relevations, Morrison more or less states that the Supreme Being in the DCU is:

Us.

We're the Supreme Being. The audience. Anyone who reads DC comics.

That was the metatextual point of the Miracle Machine.

I though it was the Primal Monitor who created the multiverse and the rest of the Monitors came from it?

Mandrakk was one of the first Monitors, the best of them and then he got banished because he suggested that the Monitors were only parasites fit for one purpose, to consume all story i.e. the multiverse.

He became stronger because he grew into the Monitors worst fear, their thoughts made him more powerful: transforming him to into the Dark Monitor.

As far as the Presence goes it was suggested in FC that DS couldn't directly influence or usurp the Presence position except by taking away the freewill of all the creatures it created.

Obviously with everyone connected to the single will of DS, story would become Darkseid and the Monitors would become irrelevant as they relied on this story for sustenance.

So I'm the Presence? I order the DCU to be dismantled!

So I'm >>>>> any Marvel character?

Originally posted by iceman24567
So I'm >>>>> any Marvel character?

LOL. You wish. According to DC, you're>>>>>any DC character. According to Marvel, Stan Lee>>>>>any Marvel character. As it stands, Spiderman>>>>you.

Stops at 1

No durability feats ftl!

DC has created loopholes ever since FC came about.

I still believe that no one in DCU is above The Presence, even Dark Side (which is the other half of The Source) is not above him.

Same thing about The Primal Monitor and Dark Monitor.

It has not even been established if these Monitors are above The Overseers or GEB or Michael Demiurgos, for that matter.

^ Mandrakk did beat up Spectre and Radiant though.

9.

Going by his appearance in FC (his only appearance) where he was feeding on the multiverse and thrashing Spectre and the Radiant I say he make's it to 9.

LT uses his heat vision and then stakes him.

When did he defeat Spectre in FC?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
LT uses his heat vision and then stakes him.

when?

eight.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
When did he defeat Spectre in FC? He beat/fed on Spectre AND Radiant (God's Mercy) in FC #7:

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1273278_m1.jpg

(third panel.)

Originally posted by Galan007
He beat/fed on Spectre AND Radiant (God's Mercy) in FC #7:

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1273278_m1.jpg

(third panel.)

The Dying god he is refering to, who is that? the Presence?

Originally posted by Utrigita
The Dying god he is refering to, who is that? the Presence? Darkseid.

But later down he talks about the "servants of God" is that God Darkseid too?

(I'm so confused sorry)

Originally posted by Utrigita
But later down he talks about the "servants of God"

(I'm so confused sorry) Specte/Radiant.

Stops at 8.

I didn't understand FC at all. Who was Cain? How is DS damaged by the bullet? Why is he damaged and needs to be repaired. I though ALE is like a powerful weapon, but it cant take down JLA. Come on

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I didn't understand FC at all. Who was Cain? How is DS damaged by the bullet? Why is he damaged and needs to be repaired. I though ALE is like a powerful weapon, but it cant take down JLA. Come on None of that matters.

Originally posted by Mindset
None of that matters.
To me it does!

Don't see how he gets past 2.

How come you don't have Guy in 2???

Cain was Vandal Savage, who was the first murderer, he killed his brother Able.

The bullet contained Radion, which is lethal to New Gods.

The ALE did affect some of the JLA, it also did affect billions of normal humans.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Who was Cain? Vandal Savage

Originally posted by xJLxKing
How is DS damaged by the bullet? Why is he damaged and needs to be repaired. It was a radion bullet. Radion = New God kryptonite, more or less.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I though ALE is like a powerful weapon It is. The ALE collapsed the friggin' multiverse.

Originally posted by Vally Doosh
Don't see how he gets past 2. Wow, I didn't even see Kyle at 2, yea that's where he stops.

??So why did he have that mark on his face? Why did Spectre give it to him?

How come the Guardians were being affected?

How does he beat Spectre/Radiant and then die to... what he did?

Originally posted by I'm Bran
How does he beat Spectre/Radiant and then die to... what he did?
He had the spear of destiny or something like that.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
??So why did he have that mark on his face? Are you unfamiliar with the biblical Cain as well? srsly

Anyhow, Cain/Savage was given the unmistakable mark so that everyone who saw him would know what he'd done (ie. committed to first murder.)

Originally posted by xJLxKing
How come the Guardians were being affected? The ALE controls all sentient life.

Originally posted by I'm Bran
How does he beat Spectre/Radiant and then die to... what he did? I'm sure it had something to do with that whole comic being rushed in general. Hell, Mandrakk was the most powerful villain in FC - yet he both made his appearance in the mainstream DCU, and was subsequently killed, in like 4-5 pages total. Ridiculous.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
He had the spear of destiny or something like that. Since it's apparent that you haven't read any of these issues, you might want to refrain from spouting off incorrect info, until you know for sure what happened.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
He had the spear of destiny or something like that. That was Vandal Savage

I am not Christian

Anyhow, Cain/Savage was given the unmistakable mark so that everyone who saw him would know what he'd done (ie. commited to first murder.)


That doesn't make sense. He one moment he had the mark then latern he has it. Is Cain and Savage the same person? Maybe same body but different soul.



I have read it. I will give you the information and page if you want. cain(with the mark) chains the Spectre. It was right in front of the church

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I am not Christian You don't need to be Christian to have heard the stories about Cain. srsly

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I have read it. Cool! Then there's no need to answer any more remedial questions.

Mandrakk is another god in the dcu like many others (New Gods, Greek Gods etc..) He took advantage of what Darkseid did and tried to attack at there weakest point and still lost, DS proved more then Mandrakk did and about The Spectre and the Radiant, DC will prob pass it off.

"It is. The ALE collapsed the friggin' multiverse."

False. Darkseid himself collapsed the universe. The ALE had nothing to do with the Doomsday singularity.

Originally posted by I'm Bran
How does he beat Spectre/Radiant and then die to... what he did? Well... he did get assaulted by the Pax Dei Angels, all the Supermen, some of the Green Lantern Corps and the Forever People of the 5th World...

... although really only the Supermen heat-visioned him and a few Green Lantern Corps members staked him and the others didn't do much...

... yea....

... I got nothin.

Seven stomps Mandrakk easily.

He took out Spectre and Radiant. Not to mention the IG has never had anywhere close to the amount of power Mandrakk had.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
LOL. You wish. According to DC, you're>>>>>any DC character. According to Marvel, Stan Lee>>>>>any Marvel character. As it stands, Spiderman>>>>you.

Hm, 1 on 1

Me >>> Stan Lee in his best days

that means

Me >>>>>>>>> any Marvel Char

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He took out Spectre and Radiant. Not to mention the IG has never had anywhere close to the amount of power Mandrakk had.

Besides the LT - who is omniscient - being unsure of whether or not he had the power to wrest away the IG from Warlock? And stating that if it did, the battle would destroy 'all reality' ?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Besides the LT - who is omniscient - being unsure of whether or not he had the power to wrest away the IG from Warlock? And stating that if it did, the battle would destroy 'all reality' ? "This reality" (singular):

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1274522_ig1.jpg

LT did not say he couldn't take the Gauntlet. He asked if Warlock was willing to destroy reality to stop him.

He was unsure whether he could take the gauntlet without collateral damage.

Originally posted by Galan007
"This reality":

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1274522_ig1.jpg

(singular.)

They were at the Nexus of All Realities, though...or was it the Dimension of Manifestations? I could look, but...the Super Bowl is on.

He was sure him trying to take the gems would destroy reality.

Originally posted by Enyalus
They were at the Nexus of All Realities, though...or was it the Dimension of Manifestations? I could look, but...the Super Bowl is on. It's Half Time

Only reason I'm on right now

Originally posted by Enyalus
They were at the Nexus of All Realities, though...or was it the Dimension of Manifestations? I could look, but...the Super Bowl is on. I'd think it was the DoM - which would account for Eternity saying this:

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1274524_e1.jpg


But yeah I'm sure someone will come in here crying: "Butt in teh marvle a univerze = a multiverze!!11!"

Originally posted by Mindset
It's Half Time

Only reason I'm on right now

Don't lie. Scooby-Doo's Monster Island Adventure is on a commercial break right now. That's why you're on.

Should I be concerned that you know that cartoon?

Originally posted by Mindset
Should I be concerned that you know that cartoon?

I just made the name up.

I don't think you did.
http://redlightnaps.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/scooby-doo.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
He beat/fed on Spectre AND Radiant (God's Mercy) in FC #7:

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1273278_m1.jpg

(third panel.)

That ugly bastid created the DCU?

DC is more daring than I thought.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
That ugly bastid created the DCU?

DC is more daring than I thought.

Whoever said that is wrong. The Primal Monitor birthed the DC Multiverse, according to the panels. Mandrakk is one of its children (A monitor.)

Originally posted by Enyalus
Whoever said that is wrong. The Primal Monitor birthed the DC Multiverse, according to the panels. Mandrakk is one of its children (A monitor.)

The 52 Monitors and the Prime Monitor are one and the same.

When the DC Universe became the DC Multiverse, the Prime Monitor became the 52 Monitors- from the beginning of time onwards. Kind of the same way "Jenny Reality" in Wildstorm was only created a couple of years ago by Jenny Quantum but has also, always existed.

Mandrakk thus didn't solely create the DC Multiverse but he kind of did.

Why is he demonic/vampire looking? I thought the monitors were celestial-like energy constructs? He doesn't strike me as a highest cosmic force to me. Just a bloodthirsty demonic creature of some sorts.

No, I haven't read the story in case you're wondering.

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
He doesn't strike me as a highest cosmic force to me. Just a bloodthirsty demonic creature of some sorts. He's at least powerful enough to beat Spectre and Radiant combined. That said, he's obviously pretty high as far as cosmic forces are concerned.

Originally posted by Galan007
He's at least powerful enough to beat Spectre and Radiant combined. That said, he's obviously pretty high as far as cosmic forces are concerned.

It does seem to be so Galan.

Quick question some have said that the ALE allowed DS to collaspe the multiverse and DS couldn't have done this without it. While others claim the ALE or him "falling" had nothing to do with the collasping and singularity that it was all DS and his own power. What are your thoughts?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Quick question some have said that the ALE allowed DS to collaspe the multiverse and DS couldn't have done this without it. While others claim the ALE or him "falling" had nothing to do with the collasping and singularity that it was all DS and his own power. What are your thoughts? After reading, and rereading FC, I personally think that it was Darkseid, and Darkseid alone, which was responsible for flushing the whole of DC down the cosmic toilet (ie. the doosmday singularity.) The ALE was just a weapon that allowed Darkseid to control all sentient life throughout creation - however, it didn't seem to have much at all to do with actually destroying said creation.

Originally posted by Galan007
He's at least powerful enough to beat Spectre and Radiant combined. That said, he's obviously pretty high as far as cosmic forces are concerned.

He was also felled by hv and a stick, and gravity played a part.

I really don't know quite what to say about the climax of Beyond and Final Crisis.

The lead up to the reveal of mandrakk was great, but once he was actually in play and on the field, he fizzled.

Nice art, but fizzled on so many levels.

These events from DC are becoming tiresome.

It's like chatting up a girl, putting in work on the phone, texts and facebook.

You've got her in the apartment, and you bumble it with a silent but deadly. Now you're embarassed and she just wants out.

Mandrakk can't beat a drum, much less true cosmics.

Come on! He was defeated by several Lanterns, he may as well beat Surfer!

Again he was beat by those characters when they were acting in the favor of the multiversal monitor empowered by the freaking miracle machine superman and some green lanterns didn't just roll up and merc him and again that wasn't his real body.

Bottom line is if Superman and Kyle Rayner had been on Earth from the start, Final Crisis doesn't happen.

Originally posted by Vally Doosh
Bottom line is if Superman and Kyle Rayner had been on Earth from the start, Final Crisis doesn't happen. What will Superman be doing while Kyle stops the Crisis?

Originally posted by Mindset
What will Superman be doing while Kyle stops the Crisis?
Carving Kyle's face into Mount Rushmore.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8703/22048494ko2.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
After reading, and rereading FC, I personally think that it was Darkseid, and Darkseid alone, which was responsible for flushing the whole of DC down the cosmic toilet (ie. the doosmday singularity.) The ALE was just a weapon that allowed Darkseid to control all sentient life throughout creation - however, it didn't seem to have much at all to do with actually destroying said creation.

I see and appreciate your opinions. It has been argued though that the War of the New Gods is what caused a breach in the multiverse as it was stated on panel? So, I'm curious if you think that this is also a possibility for what caused the breach and him "falling" not him causing it all under his own power?

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Again he was beat by those characters when they were acting in the favor of the multiversal monitor empowered by the freaking miracle machine superman and some green lanterns didn't just roll up and merc him and again that wasn't his real body.

He was defeated on earth by means of the most mundaness, and even in the higher dimensions.

The resident evil knockoff(he looked like a clay red hunter and you know it!) was beaten up top by heat vision and gravity(more powerthan Thanos with the ig???At least Thanos kept his hovering chair so gravity remained beaten!), and then on earth the other bad monitor(not Mandrakk) got staked and heat visioned to death.

Kyle Rayner should've been on the case since wednesday.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I see and appreciate your opinions. It has been argued though that the War of the New Gods is what caused a breach in the multiverse as it was stated on panel? So, I'm curious if you think that this is also a possibility for what caused the breach and him "falling" not him causing it all under his own power?
It was stated several times that the singularity and subsequent destruction of space/time was caused by Darkseid.

Even IF the fall was not under his own power, the singularity and dragging down the multiverse and warping the multiverse were obviously extensions of his power.

Originally posted by UniOmni
He was defeated on earth by means of the most mundaness, and even in the higher dimensions.

The resident evil knockoff(he looked like a clay red hunter and you know it!) was beaten up top by heat vision and gravity(more powerthan Thanos with the ig???At least Thanos kept his hovering chair so gravity remained beaten!), and then on earth the other bad monitor(not Mandrakk) got staked and heat visioned to death.

Kyle Rayner should've been on the case since wednesday.
He got beat by a hyper adapting doomsday weapon that can adapt to overcome ANY power and he didn't die to gravity he was ****ing consumed by the overvoid.

He fell into the Overvoid, after he got blasted by heat vision.

He got consumed by the overvoid after he got a giant hole blasted in him after he got impaled while he was fighting again a thought enabled robot suit that can instantly adapt to any power,your attempt to downplay his power is ****ing ridiculous.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
your attempt to downplay his power is ****ing ridiculous.

That, I'll agree with.


But Mandrakk over the IG or LT? That's also ridiculous.

I never claimed he was above those,however he was very powerful hell the whole reason the multiverse in dc basically wasn't growing is because he was siphoning the energies off and he was going to consume all existence.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
I claim Mandrakk is over both the IG and the LT.

zomfg

HarHar your very funny.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I see and appreciate your opinions. It has been argued though that the War of the New Gods is what caused a breach in the multiverse as it was stated on panel? So, I'm curious if you think that this is also a possibility for what caused the breach and him "falling" not him causing it all under his own power?

Well I think when they say the "War of the New Gods" broke time and space they are referencing at the end of the war it was so extreme and Orion and Darkseids battle at the end when Orion lost and then mortally wounded Darkseid it was then that it was broken as he fell to the Multiverse which caused it to begin to fall apart as his presence is to much for it. Afterwards he began to mold it to his benefit.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
He got consumed by the overvoid after he got a giant hole blasted in him after he got impaled while he was fighting again a thought enabled robot suit that can instantly adapt to any power,your attempt to downplay his power is ****ing ridiculous.

He got impaled by a wand, and then was promptly attacked by a higher dimension based robotic construct which is capable of adapting to any power instantly..............who chose to use heat vision to blast Mandrakk, who then fell, lost to the Overvoid.

Because he fell into the overvoid after he was blasted by heat vision.

And the other vampire monitor was defeated by a dose of hv, and then an oan stake.

I don't have to downplay the feats, they downplay themselves........if only he'd worn yellow, amirite?

Heat vision from a robot that can defeat any power jesus Im done with you this is just stupid.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
So I'm the Presence? I order the DCU to be dismantled!

as co presance i say no to your order and command superman to stop being a sissy and punch someones head off and batman to stop being even a bigger sissy and blow a cap in someone, and for the joker to stop messing around and KILL EVERYONE DAMN IT

If I'm The Presence then my first commandment will be for Wonder Woman to have a provacative lesbian sex scene with Supergirl, pencilled in graphic detail.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Heat vision from a robot that can defeat any power jesus Im done with you this is just stupid.

In all honesty, i'm just being an ass because i see it's annoying people.

I did enjoy Final Crisis to a point more than any recent event(mostly due to the fact that Cap Marvel had a role, and was treated with respect, but we fans of more obscure chars take what we get)but it doesn't lend itself to heights most grandiose in the telling.

I've already given due to the buildup to the climax(loved Superman Beyond aside from the final fight), but when you've got people talking about multiversal destruction, singularities, omega sanctions, anti-life, miracle machines, songs of the universe, monitors and the like, hv seems laughable compared to the company kept throughout the event.

And the fall to the overvoid(big bad can't fly).

Originally posted by Enyalus
If I'm The Presence then my first commandment will be for Wonder Woman to have a provacative lesbian sex scene with Supergirl, pencilled in graphic detail.

You have my full support

notworthy