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Wade Wilson
Put the following street-levelers in order #1 being the fastest #10 the slowest.


Daredevil, Batgirl, Captain America, Spider-man, Wolverine, Deadpool, Batman, Sabertooth, Venom (Brock), Black Panther.

carver9
Originally posted by Wade Wilson
Put the following street-levelers in order #1 being the fastest #10 the slowest.


Daredevil, Batgirl, Captain America, Spider-man, Wolverine, Deadpool, Batman, Sabertooth, Venom (Brock), Black Panther.

Spiderman and Sabertooth are equals (I will put wolverine in that category also.
2. Captain america=Black Panther=Venom=deadpool
3. Batgirl=Batman=Daredevil

Anti-Monitor
DD, Batman and BG....the other are not street levelers.

TricksterPriest
Doesn't Venom have the same spider sense as Spidey?

And doesn't pre-cog mean you'll always be faster?

Anti-Monitor
Which BG?

Wade Wilson
Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
Which BG? Cass.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Doesn't Venom have the same spider sense as Spidey?

And doesn't pre-cog mean you'll always be faster?

This thread is about general speed, things like spider sense or DD's radar do not matter here.

imo it goes like this.
1) Spider-man, Venom
2) Wolverine, Batgirl, Sabertooth, Deadpool, Daredevil
3) Cap, Panther, Batman

h1a8
Originally posted by Wade Wilson
Put the following street-levelers in order #1 being the fastest #10 the slowest.


Daredevil, Batgirl, Captain America, Spider-man, Wolverine, Deadpool, Batman, Sabertooth, Venom (Brock), Black Panther.

What type of speed?
We have running speed, striking speed, short burst attacking speed, lateral speed (needed to duck and weave fast attacks), etc.

Anti-Monitor
Batman, DD and than BG.

h1a8
Originally posted by Wade Wilson
Put the following street-levelers in order #1 being the fastest #10 the slowest.


Daredevil, Batgirl, Captain America, Spider-man, Wolverine, Deadpool, Batman, Sabertooth, Venom (Brock), Black Panther.

Theoretically
1. Spider-man
2. Venom
3. Sabretooth
4. Captain America
5. Wolverine
6. Black Panther
7. Batgirl (Cass)
8. Daredevil
9. Batman
10. Deadpool

From feeling
1. Spiderman
2 and 3. Wolverine/CA
4. Batgirl
5. Sabretooth
6. Daredevil
7. Venon
8 and 9. Batman/Black Panther
10. Deadpool

Wade Wilson
Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
DD, Batman and BG....the other are not street levelers. I believe they are.

Originally posted by h1a8
What type of speed?
We have running speed, striking speed, short burst attacking speed, lateral speed (needed to duck and weave fast attacks), etc. Well, if you have a spare life you can make a list for each category. Or you could make just one for their speed in general.

Darth Martin
Foot Race
1. Spider-Man
2. Wolverine
3. Sabretooth
4. Captain America
5. Black Panther
6. Deadpool
7. Venom
8. Batman
9. Daredevil
10. Batgirl

Reaction Speed
1. Spider-Man
2. Venom
3. Daredevil
4. Batgirl
5. Wolverine/Sabretooth/Deadpool
6. Sabretooth/Wolverine/Deadpool
7. Deadpool/Wolverine/Sabretooth
8. Captain America/Black Panther/Batman
9. Black Panther/Batman/Captain America
10. Batman/Captain America/Black Panther

Juk3n
Originally posted by h1a8
Theoretically
1. Spider-man
2. Venom
3. Sabretooth
4. Captain America
5. Wolverine
6. Black Panther
7. Batgirl (Cass)
8. Daredevil
9. Batman
10. Deadpool

From feeling
1. Spiderman
2 and 3. Wolverine/CA
4. Batgirl
5. Sabretooth
6. Daredevil
7. Venon
8 and 9. Batman/Black Panther
10. Deadpool

Deadpool is superhuman in stats, and Venom is equal -ish to Spiderman, Black Panther is also SUPERHUMAN, and you mistakenly put Batgirl above all the ones i mentioned.

SO WRONG, i can't even begin to express it!!!

Mindset
Do people actually know who Venom is?

Are we talking about Eddy or Shitty?

Anti-Monitor
Originally posted by Mindset
Do people actually know who Venom is?

Are we talking about Eddy or Shitty?

Hes red and blue that tells jokes right?

Mindset
No, he's a short hairy Canadian with claws.

h1a8
Originally posted by Juk3n
Deadpool is superhuman in stats, and Venom is equal -ish to Spiderman, Black Panther is also SUPERHUMAN, and you mistakenly put Batgirl above all the ones i mentioned.

SO WRONG, i can't even begin to express it!!!

Based off what I've read Venom is league's slower than Spiderman. He can't even dodge bullets all that well.
Batgirl can dodge bullets as if they were moving like the slowskis (turtles from comcast commercial).
I've never seen Black Panther do that.

Mindset
Originally posted by h1a8
Based off what I've read Venom is league's slower than Spiderman. He can't even dodge bullets all that well.
Batgirl can dodge bullets as if they were moving like the slowskis (turtles from comcast commercial).
I've never seen Black Panther do that. I guess you haven't read much Venom.

h1a8
Originally posted by Mindset
I guess you haven't read much Venom.

Sure I have. He speed is supposed to be close to spidey's since the symbiote duplicates many of spidey's abilities. But the comics shows the contrary. I've seen Spidey dodge multiple bullets, lasers, etc. like a day job. Are telling me that Venom can come close to doing stuff like that. Venom's fast but not as fast as Spidey (not even close).

Mindset
Originally posted by Mindset
I guess you haven't read much Venom.

Wade Wilson
Originally posted by h1a8
Sure I have. He speed is supposed to be close to spidey's since the symbiote duplicates many of spidey's abilities. But the comics shows the contrary. I've seen Spidey dodge multiple bullets, lasers, etc. like a day job. Are telling me that Venom can come close to doing stuff like that. Venom's fast but not as fast as Spidey (not even close).

What Mindset said. Venom doesn't dodge bullets because he doesn't need to. If you check Venom respect thread you will find scans showing Venom CATCHING bullets. Posted them myself. Even multiple bullets at the same time with ease. He is AT LEAST AS FAST as Spider-man.

Warrior18
Originally posted by Juk3n
Black Panther is also SUPERHUMAN, and you mistakenly put Batgirl above all the ones i mentioned.

SO WRONG, i can't even begin to express it!!!

Based on some of her feats Batgirl could be argued to be faster than Batman,DD,Black Panther and even Cap. sad

Metalmanx
Originally posted by Wade Wilson
Put the following street-levelers in order #1 being the fastest #10 the slowest.


Daredevil, Batgirl, Captain America, Spider-man, Wolverine, Deadpool, Batman, Sabertooth, Venom (Brock), Black Panther.

1./2.-- Spider-Man & Venom
3./4./5./6./7./8.-- Deadpool, Wolverine, Sabretooth, Black Panther, Captain America, Daredevil
9./10.-- Batman, Batgirl

Silent Guardian
Daredevil, Batgirl, Captain America, Spider-man, Wolverine, Deadpool, Batman, Sabertooth, Venom (Brock), Black Panther.

1. Spiderman
2. Venom
3. Black Panther
4. Daredevil
5. Sabertooth
6. Captain America
7. Batgirl
8. Wolverine
9. Batman
10. Deadpool

Metalmanx
Why is Deadpool last on a lot of people's lists? Or even below Batman/Batgirl? What the f**k?

srankmissingnin
Venom
Creed / Spidy
Wolverine / CA / DP
BP
Batgirl / DD
Batman

Juk3n
Originally posted by Silent Guardian
Daredevil, Batgirl, Captain America, Spider-man, Wolverine, Deadpool, Batman, Sabertooth, Venom (Brock), Black Panther.

1. Spiderman
2. Venom
3. Black Panther
4. Daredevil
5. Sabertooth
6. Captain America
7. Batgirl
8. Wolverine
9. Batman
10. Deadpool

Batgirl faster than wolverine?

GTFO! & take you fail with u!

SoulDevourer
Venom shoud be @ the top, easy

btw he doesnt need to dodge bullets (hi-caliber ammo bounces off him) but he can catch them with his tentacals if he wants to so I supose he could dodge them too

h1a8
Originally posted by Wade Wilson
What Mindset said. Venom doesn't dodge bullets because he doesn't need to. If you check Venom respect thread you will find scans showing Venom CATCHING bullets. Posted them myself. Even multiple bullets at the same time with ease. He is AT LEAST AS FAST as Spider-man.

He doesn't have enough speed feats to put him at Spidey's level.
Look at his overall career.

Philosophía
Originally posted by Juk3n
Batgirl faster than wolverine?

GTFO! & take you fail with u!

Eventough that list is totally wrong, and I don't agree with it ..

What feats does Wolverine have that would make him faster than Batgirl ?

Juk3n

Philosophía
Originally posted by Juk3n
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Trick, is that you ?

Priest
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Venom
Creed / Spidy
Wolverine / CA / DP
BP
Batgirl / DD
Batman
Agreed.

Wade Wilson
Originally posted by h1a8
He doesn't have enough speed feats to put him at Spidey's level.
Look at his overall career. Well yeah, he has less feats than Spider-man 'cause he has less appearances, but all his speed feats suggest that he's on Spider-man's level.

Silent Guardian
Originally posted by Juk3n
Batgirl faster than wolverine?

GTFO! & take you fail with u!


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Mindset

Supermutant
By speed feats easily Batgirl = Spiderman

maxivitopowe
Ha

Supermex
Deadpool should higher on the list

deathslash
1.Venom
2. Spidey
3. Creed
4. T'challa
5. Logan
6. Wade
7. Cap
8.DD
9.Batman
10.Batgirl

abhilegend
Bruce is faster than Matt. Fact. And Cass is on the same level as Cap.

deathslash
Originally posted by abhilegend
Bruce is faster than Matt. Fact. And Cass is on the same level as Cap. We're talking about Cassandra Kain? I thought it was Barbra

abhilegend
Its Cass.
Originally posted by Wade Wilson
Cass.



This thread is about general speed, things like spider sense or DD's radar do not matter here.

imo it goes like this.
1) Spider-man, Venom
2) Wolverine, Batgirl, Sabertooth, Deadpool, Daredevil
3) Cap, Panther, Batman

riv6672
Originally posted by Darth Martin


Reaction Speed
1. Spider-Man
2. Venom
3. Daredevil
4. Batgirl
5. Wolverine/Sabretooth/Deadpool
6. Sabretooth/Wolverine/Deadpool
7. Deadpool/Wolverine/Sabretooth
8. Captain America/Black Panther/Batman
9. Black Panther/Batman/Captain America
10. Batman/Captain America/Black Panther
IF my half asleep self is understanding this convoluted piece of listosity, it seems about right...

He got foot speed all kinds of wrong, though.

riv6672
Foot speed:
1. Spider-man
2. Batgirl
3. Captain America
4. Black Panther
5. Sabertooth
6. Venom
7. DareDevil
8. Batman
9. DeadPool
10. Wolverine

Dreampanther
Seems a lot of people underestimate Black Panther's speed.

http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s417/KingMichael777/Comics/1289775-blz05_zpsa77efa31.jpg~original

http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s417/KingMichael777/Comics/2179024-wolverine__052_011_zps4d4f5100.jpg~original

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111148699/3698116-9460240834-15003.jpg

riv6672
I've got him in my top 5, so i get that one other dream. stick out tongue

Supermutant
LOL You do not want to get into a speed feat battle against Cassandra.

Deathstroke is unable to hit her, but she hits him, dodges his gunfire at close range and disarms him.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/8/80103/2436910-06.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/8/80103/2436913-07.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/8/80103/2436915-08.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/8/80103/2436918-09.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/8/80103/2436922-10.jpg

Dodges Batman's attacks with ridiculous ease while smiling.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_Batgirl24.jpghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_Batgirl25.jpghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_Batgirl26.jpghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_Batgirl27.jpg

Supermutant
At point blank, she evades multiple gunshots.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/GaryouTensei/Batgirl%20Respect%20Thread/Batgirl017-17.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/GaryouTensei/Batgirl%20Respect%20Thread/Batgirl017-18.jpg

She avoids the gunshots of multiple armed men with, then proceeds to beat them one-by-one without the others noticing.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/GaryouTensei/Batgirl%20Respect%20Thread/01302.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/GaryouTensei/Batgirl%20Respect%20Thread/01303.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/GaryouTensei/Batgirl%20Respect%20Thread/01304.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/GaryouTensei/Batgirl%20Respect%20Thread/01305.jpg

As just a child dodges multiple bullets after being fired inches away from her ear, w/o even looking.
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19550915_3752761-batgirloutracingbullets2.jpg

Supermutant
And those are not even her best speed feats. Just a little sample if someone wants to takes on the challenge.

riv6672
I dont.
She's a beast.thumb up

carver9
Originally posted by deathslash
1.Venom
2. Spidey
3. Creed
4. T'challa
5. Logan
6. Wade
7. Cap
8.DD
9.Batman
10.Batgirl

Supermutant
Originally posted by carver9
9. Batman 10. Batgirl

sad Batman still has yet to hit her. And really with all of Cassanda's speed feats you put her last. She has the best speed feats of anyone in this thread.

Hits Batman so fast, he doesn't even know he was hit, even though she was standing right in front of him.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_Batgirl127.jpghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_Batgirl128.jpg

SamZED
Originally posted by Supermutant
She has the best speed feats of anyone in this thread. She definitely has amazing feats (among the best in her tier) but I can't agree with this statement.

carver9
Originally posted by SamZED
She definitely has amazing feats (among the best in her tier) but I can't agree with this statement.

Get em Sam. Scan war.

SamZED
Originally posted by carver9
Get em Sam. Scan war. lol tbh scan war is what I'm trying to avoid, too old for that big grin besides I'm browsing from an iPad, PC is dead so at best it will be a copy/past war.

Supermutant
In the speed department Cassie just has superior feats. How many characters in this thread has ran faster than a bullet on panel? Not just dodging or even reacting to bullets after being fired, but out pacing them on panel. She has knocked out 8 thugs in less than 4 seconds (how ever long it takes a bottle at below thigh level to hit the ground on average adult male).
Dodged Superboy, dodged punches and kicks from bizarro super girl, and heat vision from close from Supergirl. And she is consistent at displaying this ridiculous speed, even though at her tier she shouldn't have it.

carver9
Captain America has out ran bullets before.

carver9
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/3364338-capvsbullets_zpsaa08d760.jpg.html

riv6672
Neat!

Supermutant
Originally posted by carver9
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/3364338-capvsbullets_zpsaa08d760.jpg.html

Looks like Red Skull shooting at someone else and Cap comes in with shield to protect, not avoiding bullets but blocking them.


Here is Batgirl with a bullet shot at her and she runs forward passing it in the process. She takes out the shooter before the bullet can reach the vault where she originally was. See the difference cool
http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/19554442_bg1.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/19554443_bb2.jpg

bbrem123
Originally posted by SamZED
Put the following street-levelers in order #1 being the fastest #10 the slowest.


Daredevil, Batgirl, Captain America, Spider-man, Wolverine, Deadpool, Batman, Sabertooth, Venom (Brock), Black Panther.

Spider-Man, Vemon
Sabertooth, Wolverine
Captain America, Deadpool
Black panther, Daredevil
Batgirl, Batman

riv6672
Haha.

carver9
Originally posted by Supermutant
Looks like Red Skull shooting at someone else and Cap comes in with shield to protect, not avoiding bullets but blocking them.


Here is Batgirl with a bullet shot at her and she runs forward passing it in the process. She takes out the shooter before the bullet can reach the vault where she originally was. See the difference cool
http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/19554442_bg1.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/19554443_bb2.jpg

Cap is right beside Red Skull. Red Skull fires his gun at the guy while Cap is still beside him. Cap makes it over to the guy before the bullet reach him and blocks it with his shield. He out pace a bullet.

riv6672
Not that anyone here is going to nitpick, but the only thing that seems worth arguing in the two feats MIGHT be distance.
Otherwise, pretty dang even IMO.

SamZED
Originally posted by Supermutant
In the speed department Cassie just has superior feats. How many characters in this thread has ran faster than a bullet on panel? Not just dodging or even reacting to bullets after being fired, but out pacing them on panel. She has knocked out 8 thugs in less than 4 seconds (how ever long it takes a bottle at below thigh level to hit the ground on average adult male).
Dodged Superboy, dodged punches and kicks from bizarro super girl, and heat vision from close from Supergirl. And she is consistent at displaying this ridiculous speed, even though at her tier she shouldn't have it. Can't speak for every character in this thread but Cap has a similar feat, Deadpool has a similar feat, Venom has a similar feat.
Spider-man has a better feat.

Its a bad idea to judge characters speed by random bullet time feats anyway. Have to look at overall history. Just because one writer desides to give his character a bullet time feat doesn't mean that the character is now supersonic and is 10 times faster than his peers who don't have similar feats, especially if they're constantly shown to be fast enough to keep up with the first character in a fight.

riv6672
Thats why i've stuck to foot speed. Reaction time's variable depending on who's writing.
I have more definite opinions on A to B speed.

SamZED
Originally posted by riv6672
Thats why i've stuck to foot speed. Reaction time's variable depending on who's writing.
I have more definite opinions on A to B speed. If I was making the foot speed list I'd place Wolvie, Deadpool and Venom higher on the list. They have some nice running speed feats.

Supermutant
Originally posted by SamZED
Can't speak for every character in this thread but Cap has a similar feat, Deadpool has a similar feat, Venom has a similar feat.
Spider-man has a better feat.

Its a bad idea to judge characters speed by random bullet time feats anyway. Have to look at overall history. Just because one writer desides to give his character a bullet time feat doesn't mean that the character is now supersonic and is 10 times faster than his peers who don't have similar feats, especially if they're constantly shown to be fast enough to keep up with the first character in a fight.

lol 1st Cass speed feats are not random, she does them all the time in her appearances. I mean she's been out reacting bullets inches away from her face w/out looking at them and facing another direction since a child. Who here has done that since a child? And that's her normal training growing up.

2nd She uses that speed in combat. I have already shown both Deathstroke and Batman unable to touch her, but she tagged them. But here are more:

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19557010_bgbottle.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19557011_bgbottle1.png http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19557012_bgbottle2.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19557013_bg-supergirl63pg051rz.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19557014_bg32896.imgcache.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19557015_bg593054-2424647-13.jpg

3rd You have even proven one of my points b/c even you stated that some characters here have a similar feat to Cassie one specific bullet timing. That's mean her speed is at least equal to there's if her feats constantly show it and she should be far from last on the list. laughing out loud Still, moving faster than a bullet and koing the gunman before the shot he fired reaches your previous location is better than dodging in the way of automatic gunfire with a shield.

4th What are these other characters best speed feats (especially Spiderman) What feats do they have they put them clearly above her? Have they dodge attacks and hit those on the speed level of Kryptonians consistently not just one time? Her standard level is to blitz multiple enemies not just every now and then.

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19557017_bgblur.jpg

SamZED
Originally posted by Supermutant
lol 1st Cass speed feats are not random, she does them all the time in her appearances. I mean she's been out reacting bullets inches away from her face w/out looking at them and facing another direction since a child. Who here has done that since a child? And that's her normal training growing up.

2nd She uses that speed in combat. I have already shown both Deathstroke and Batman unable to touch her, but she tagged them. But here are more:

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19557010_bgbottle.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19557011_bgbottle1.png http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19557012_bgbottle2.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19557013_bg-supergirl63pg051rz.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19557014_bg32896.imgcache.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19557015_bg593054-2424647-13.jpg

3rd You have even proven one of my points b/c even you stated that some characters here have a similar feat to Cassie one specific bullet timing. That's mean her speed is at least equal to there's if her feats constantly show it and she should be far from last on the list. laughing out loud Still, moving faster than a bullet and koing the gunman before the shot he fired reaches your previous location is better than dodging in the way of automatic gunfire with a shield.

4th What are these other characters best speed feats (especially Spiderman) What feats do they have they put them clearly above her? Have they dodge attacks and hit those on the speed level of Kryptonians consistently not just one time? Her standard level is to blitz multiple enemies not just every now and then.

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19557017_bgblur.jpg
Thanks for the scans, but I'm familiar with everything you've posted, the ones I haven't read, I've seen in respect threads. When I said "random bullet feats" I didn't mean that that they're unusable or accidental, merely that there's more to characters speed than that. Black Mary is a great example, she has insane bullet time feats, doesn't change the fact she's never written to be dozen times faster (or at all faster) than say Wolverine who doesn't have the same feats. And Cass who's been dodging bullets since her childhood didn't overwhelm Nightwing with her speed even though his bullet dodging feats don't come close to hers. She didn't overwhelm Ravager with her speed as well. At the end of the day she's a solid top tier street leveler speed-wise. And it's not outside of their ability to keep up with her as it's constantly shown in the books even if she is a bit faster. That's what I meant.

When did I say that those characters have feats that put them clearly above her? Please don't put words in my mouth. You were talking about a specific feat, I said Spider-man has a better one and he does - like outrunning a homing bullet (it was literally chasing him) and not a short burst like she did but around several city blocks. Then there are many other feats like dodging lightning, jumping through a moving rotor of helicopter twice while carrying a person, overwhelming entire teams of superheroes with his speed, running through and beating the crap out of several swat teams so fast they didn't even see him etc etc etc

If we start comparing feats I can speak for Deadpool, his feats easily matches Cass', he's dodged bullets after it was fired and that was an inch from his face, he's dodged a sniper bullet AFTER it was fired and before the assassin realized that she's missed Deadpool was already on top of her with a sword, and she was aiming at him from a distant rooftop. That alone is more than enough. But then he's chopped three killers (who all had hostages) to few dozen pieces so fast they didn't even realize he moved at all until they were already falling to pieces. On his feet he cought up to a plane that was already taking off (passengers plane go at over 200 mph before taking off if I'm not mistaken), he's deflected bullets with his sword at point blank range, the evil Deadpool has disarmed a guy with a knife and used said knife to chop 3 armed killers who were all standing at a distance and holding him at gun point and he did it so fast the first guy who originally had the knife didn't even have the time to blink etc etc etc and YET despite all those feats that easily matches Cass' he is not faster than Spider-man and was astonished by Pete's speed. That's what I mean when I say "random feats" we gotta look at characters overall history as well, and Cass despite her insane feats is not written to be several times faster than even Tim Drake who has hit her before and dodged her before. And those feats alone do not make her faster than everyone in this thread some of whom also have insane speed feats yet can all more or less keep up with one another. But I assume your mind is already made up so I don't see a point in trying to change it.

riv6672
Originally posted by SamZED
If I was making the foot speed list I'd place Wolvie, Deadpool and Venom higher on the list. They have some nice running speed feats.
Which are good, but i'm not putting him above people like Cap or Panther, or anyone on the list, actually, in a foot race.
not weighed down by 300lbs of adamantium.

h1a8
Originally posted by SamZED
What Mindset said. Venom doesn't dodge bullets because he doesn't need to. If you check Venom respect thread you will find scans showing Venom CATCHING bullets. Posted them myself. Even multiple bullets at the same time with ease. He is AT LEAST AS FAST as Spider-man.

I forgot about this thread.
But the main reason why Venom is not as fast as Spidey because it was stated and shown that Spidey was faster than Venom in their direct fights.
So again, Venom is not as fast as spidey at all.
Otherwise, Spidey would have got killed from Venom everytime they fought. Spidey wouldn't had any chance to use Venom's weakness against him or outfight him.

Originally posted by SamZED
Put the following street-levelers in order #1 being the fastest #10 the slowest.


Daredevil, Batgirl, Captain America, Spider-man, Wolverine, Deadpool, Batman, Sabertooth, Venom (Brock), Black Panther.
Updated list

Spidey
Batgirl
Venom
Daredevil
Batman=Cap=Black Panther
Wolverine
Sabretooth=Deadpool

SamZED
Originally posted by h1a8
I forgot about this thread.
But the main reason why Venom is not as fast as Spidey because it was stated and shown that Spidey was faster than Venom in their direct fights.
So again, Venom is not as fast as spidey at all.
Otherwise, Spidey would have got killed from Venom everytime they fought. Spidey wouldn't had any chance to use Venom's weakness against him or outfight him.


Updated list

Spidey
Batgirl
Venom
Daredevil
Batman=Cap=Black Panther
Wolverine
Sabretooth=Deadpool Man, that post is from 5 years ago, you really didn't have to reply to that.
But I stand by what I said then. In their direct fights Venom (assuming we're talking about Brock) is always shown to be a match for Spider-man speed-wise but less agile and unlike SM he prefers to tank attacks. Pete doesn't survive their encounters because of a speed advantage, he survives by using Venom's weaknesses against him (or some other plot device) 95% of the time, other than that he normally puts up a fight at best because he doesn't have the brute force to put Venom down. And if you've been following my posts you know I'm not exactly among the people who try to downplay Spider-man.

h1a8
Originally posted by carver9
Cap is right beside Red Skull. Red Skull fires his gun at the guy while Cap is still beside him. Cap makes it over to the guy before the bullet reach him and blocks it with his shield. He out pace a bullet.

No he didn't. That wasn't the intention of the writer. The intention was that Cap got over there in enough time to save the guy. It's clear as day:
If you want to be nitpicky then either

1. those bullets weren't really fast
or
2. Red Skull missed the first three shots and Cap blocked the second

since Skull fired off 3 BEFORE the first hit the target. Otherwise it would be impossible since the trigger can't move back to loading position faster than the speed of gravity.

Silent Master
LOL at the bullets in Marvel travel slower argument.

riv6672
OMG seriously??? Slower bullets?

Supermutant
Originally posted by SamZED
Thanks for the scans, but I'm familiar with everything you've posted, the ones I haven't read, I've seen in respect threads. When I said "random bullet feats" I didn't mean that that they're unusable or accidental, merely that there's more to characters speed than that. Black Mary is a great example, she has insane bullet time feats, doesn't change the fact she's never written to be dozen times faster (or at all faster) than say Wolverine who doesn't have the same feats. And Cass who's been dodging bullets since her childhood didn't overwhelm Nightwing with her speed even though his bullet dodging feats don't come close to hers. She didn't overwhelm Ravager with her speed as well. At the end of the day she's a solid top tier street leveler speed-wise. And it's not outside of their ability to keep up with her as it's constantly shown in the books even if she is a bit faster. That's what I meant.

I didn't say that Cass was a dozen times faster than anyone, I specifically stated that her speed feats = spiderman speed feats. Everything else you stated applies to all characters in general, Punisher with no super human speed has tagged Spiderman, Wolverine, etc doesn't mean that Spiderman or Wolvie doesn't have super speed. During training Cass was dancing around NW who was worried she still was mind control. Cass has consistently pwned the Bat family when focused.



I wasn't referring to you here, there are other comments in this thread. That Spiderman feat you mention doesn't sound better plus it sounds more like endurance than speed. Everything else you mentioned Cassie has similar feats. I didn't post all her speed feats and not going to especially since it seems like I'm the only one backing up my claims.



Again nothing you mentioned prove Spiderman speed feats > Cassie. If anything you are making the argument that most people in this thread has similar speed feats which I'm fine with that for now anyway. Tim Drake is a terrible example to use, he was amazed and astonished by Cassie speed and admited he was no match for her. But again Shang Chi, Daredevil, Stilt Man, has tag spidey, doesn't mean his speed necessarily is less than theirs. Its all about context and generally portrayal, and Cass speed feats = spiderman speed feats.

h1a8
Originally posted by Silent Master
LOL at the bullets in Marvel travel slower argument.

It's silly isn't it?
That forces 2. to be the correct interpretation, which was my intention thumb up

Silent Master
Originally posted by h1a8
It's silly isn't it?
That forces 2. to be the correct interpretation, which was my intention thumb up

Then by all means, point out where the 3 missed shots landed and where the sound effects are for the 3 new shots.

SamZED
Originally posted by Supermutant
I didn't say that Cass was a dozen times faster than anyone, I specifically stated that her speed feats = spiderman speed feats. Everything else you stated applies to all characters in general, Punisher with no super human speed has tagged Spiderman, Wolverine, etc doesn't mean that Spiderman or Wolvie doesn't have super speed. During training Cass was dancing around NW who was worried she still was mind control. Cass has consistently pwned the Bat family when focused.
One of your posts said that "She has the best speed feats of anyone in this thread" , I was mainly responding to that because that is just not so. It does apply to Spider-man. That's my point. She has also fought Deathstroke more than once, at one time he was holding back but she still didnt beat him, another time he dodged her attack literally with his eyes closed. All characters have good and bad showings, finding the middle ground is the tricky part.



No need to post anything, like I said I am familiar with all of her speed feats, and I've mentioned above that I can't upload scans as they're on my dead computer and I'm browsing from an iPad. There's more than one way to back up a claim, that's why I spend more time describing feats, believe me I'd much prefer to copy paste imageshack links but I can't, so if you're only interested in a scan war I don't have anything to offer except some crappy google links. But if you're willing to take my word for it - Spider-man's feat is more impressive for few reasons, not only was he weakened and dying from an illness in that story, he was able to outpace a bullet that was chasing him for several city blocks, it's one thing when it's a short speed burst (as in her case) and another when you stay ahead of a smart bullet for such a long distance and keep increasing the distance between you and the bullet, it's more than just endurance, it's some near Speed Demon level stuff, and if that wasn't good enough he actually cought the bullet with his bare hand after that. The other one did hit him though as he was weakened.


It's been awhile since I've read it so correct me if I'm mistaken but didnt Tim win that figh? I am making that argument, yes, most characters in this thread have similar feats. That's the thing, most comic book streetlevelers pull crazy feats, I'm saying there's more to characters speed than that. That said, it was stated on-panel that seconds can literally seem like hours to him and the world goes into a freeze mode around him when he's moving. At one point Iron Fist (a guy who casually slaps machine gun bullets out if their trajectories with his bare hands and whose feats are at least as good as Cassandra's) was unable to lay a finger on Pete. In other instances neither could Deadpool (who also has feats comparable to Cass) and neither could Wolverine etc. Then there all the times he casually ran circles around teams most of whom have superhuman speed/reflexes. Dodged a sniper bullet after it was fired and at close range while being in a middle of a fight. The reason I believe Spider-man is a bit faster - he lacks their training and martial art skills that most of these guys have, so logically speaking if they were as fast as him he'd be getting clobbered every time he faced one of them due to lack of skills, instead he is constantly shown to be ahead of them or fight evenly in close quarters even with several of them so he must have some sort of speed advantage because danger sense alone won't get one so far. Sorry for the long rant.

h1a8
Originally posted by Silent Master
Then by all means, point out where the 3 missed shots landed and where the sound effects are for the 3 new shots.

Hell if I know. You tell me.
All I know that it wasn't the writer's intention that Cap literally outrun a bullet but that Cap get there before the guy gets shot.
This is crystal clear.

Silent Master
Originally posted by h1a8
Hell if I know. You tell me.
All I know that it wasn't the writer's intention that Cap literally outrun a bullet but that Cap get there before the guy gets shot.
This is crystal clear.

You're the one claiming the first 3 shots missed and that he fired another 3, yet you don't seem to be able to offer any actual proof.

IOW, you're making stuff up.

h1a8
Originally posted by Silent Master
You're the one claiming the first 3 shots missed and that he fired another 3, yet you don't seem to be able to offer any actual proof.

IOW, you're making stuff up.

I'm just trying to give a plausible explanation for the showing.
The evidence is
1. Writer's intention's
2. Skull can't pull off another round until the first hits the target. The hammer returns to position at the speed of gravity.

Silent Master
What you're doing is making excuses because you don't like the feat.

h1a8
Originally posted by Silent Master
What you're doing is making excuses because you don't like the feat. It's not a feat. erm

Silent Master
You not liking it doesn't change the fact that it happened.

-Pr-
The Cap feat is valid. Move along.

riv6672
This has been a really informative thread. I've learned a few new things.thumb up

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