Thor w/ Speedforce vs Superman w/ Power Cosmic

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Starscream M
The respective champions of Marvel and DC both get power-ups that address their biggest weaknesses. Thor gets all the powers of Flash (Wally) and Superman gets all the powers of Silver Surfer. Both also have the same mastery over their new powers as the original sources.

Who wins?

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iceman24567
Thor speed blitzes Superman no expression

id369

Starscream M

King Kandy
Supes. Surfer can match flash level speeds on his own and will give supes the needed versatility to take on nearly all comers.

Spire
Originally posted by King Kandy
Supes. Surfer can match flash level speeds on his own and will give supes the needed versatility to take on nearly all comers.

His board can.

Slaanesh
Supes FTW..

occultdestroyer
Cosmic Awareness FTW

Bouboumaster
Did you just said... Being powered by solar energy and able to create it as he want?

Sups for the stomp.

id369
Originally posted by Starscream M
huh?

Difficult match to call. To many variables, and a lot benefited strengths offsets the characters shortcoming.

occultdestroyer
Unlimited solar energy soaking FTW

shokosugi
Supes defeats SS,Thor and Flash combined.

Kasper Gutman
Speedforce is just a plot device to explain how a regular human doesn't get pulped at super speeds imop. It doesn't "upgrade" Thor much. He can already attack/swing his hammer at superhuman speed. Sure he'd add a DC speed blitz with the flash powers but is that really necessary when you can throw a nearly indistructable magic infused hammer at superhuman speed and toss a godblast too? When he swings his hammer and propels himself he's not exactly slow anyways. Flash powers would just allow him to redirect himself better at superspeeds.

I just noticed that classic Thor wasn't mentioned by the thread starter so if this is current Thor with Odin Force then Flash powers are kind of moot. Superman with SS Cosmic Power is practically just another SS. Current Thor wins this 10/10 without any "boost" needed. Ask youself...does SS beat current Thor. Nope.

Southern_Rebel
Originally posted by Kasper Gutman
Speedforce is just a plot device to explain how a regular human doesn't get pulped at super speeds imop. It doesn't "upgrade" Thor much. He can already attack/swing his hammer at superhuman speed. Sure he'd add a DC speed blitz with the flash powers but is that really necessary when you can throw a nearly indistructable magic infused hammer at superhuman speed and toss a godblast too? When he swings his hammer and propels himself he's not exactly slow anyways. Flash powers would just allow him to redirect himself better at superspeeds.

I just noticed that classic Thor wasn't mentioned by the thread starter so if this is current Thor with Odin Force then Flash powers are kind of moot. Superman with SS Cosmic Power is practically just another SS. Current Thor wins this 10/10 without any "boost" needed. Ask youself...does SS beat current Thor. Nope.

Supes still has his Kryptonian attributes. Supes already had a strength advantage over Silver Surfer. His hand to hand fighting skills are better than Surfer's. He still has heat vision and everything else. PC would put Supes well over the Silver Surfer.

Slaanesh
on top of that..he won't have any weakness to magic and can amp himself up with endless supply of yellow sun energy smile

Batman-Prime
The Kryptonian

Mindship
Supes with power cosmic: isn't that "the Kryptonian," when Galactus infused Superman with PC in the crossover, whom Reed referred to as the second most powerful being in existence (after the Big G, 'natch)? The only difference here is that this PC Supes would be free-willed.

Just sayin'.

Anyway: PC Supes ftw. He benefits way more from PC than Thor does from speedforce.

Philosophía
Thor.

Juntai
Originally posted by Kasper Gutman
Speedforce is just a plot device to explain how a regular human doesn't get pulped at super speeds imop. It doesn't "upgrade" Thor much. He can already attack/swing his hammer at superhuman speed. Sure he'd add a DC speed blitz with the flash powers but is that really necessary when you can throw a nearly indistructable magic infused hammer at superhuman speed and toss a godblast too? When he swings his hammer and propels himself he's not exactly slow anyways. Flash powers would just allow him to redirect himself better at superspeeds.

I just noticed that classic Thor wasn't mentioned by the thread starter so if this is current Thor with Odin Force then Flash powers are kind of moot. Superman with SS Cosmic Power is practically just another SS. Current Thor wins this 10/10 without any "boost" needed. Ask youself...does SS beat current Thor. Nope. Haven't read any Flash?

Starscream M
Originally posted by Kasper Gutman


I just noticed that classic Thor wasn't mentioned by the thread starter so if this is current Thor with Odin Force then Flash powers are kind of moot. Superman with SS Cosmic Power is practically just another SS. Current Thor wins this 10/10 without any "boost" needed. Ask youself...does SS beat current Thor. Nope. I should've specified that Thor does not get Odinforce

has he done anything impressive with the odinforce anyways?

occultdestroyer
Originally posted by Starscream M
I should've specified that Thor does not get Odinforce

has he done anything impressive with the odinforce anyways?
Owning Rulk

Slaanesh
yup..he kill Bor..

Starscream M
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Owning Rulk oh yeah, forgot about the impressive showing Odinforce Thor had against Rulk

Naija boy
superman probly wins.

Starscream M
People are underestimating both characters

Thor with Speedforce would be a TREMENDOUS upgrade. Let's face it, Thor is not a fast character (despite fanboys claiming his hammer swing makes him fast). Or think of it like this, imagine you made Wally a CL100 with fighting experience and a magical hammer...that would be a crazy upgrade for the Flash.

Also, Superman with Power Cosmic would still retain his weakness to magic (although its not a big weakness anyways). And Superman is the best brawler, now combined with Surfer's mastery over ranged energy attacks makes Superman probably the best herald fighter ever.

I think this is an epic fight.

occultdestroyer
The Power Cosmic still seems to be more potent than the Speed Force.

Lord Feron
THor steals speed and throws supes in a speed force as a statue? NO NO??? Isn't that flash does all the time?!!! eek!

iceman24567
Originally posted by Starscream M
I should've specified that Thor does not get Odinforce

has he done anything impressive with the odinforce anyways? He beat Bor with the Odin force eek!

Badabing
Originally posted by shokosugi
Supes defeats SS,Thor and Flash combined. Shut up. dur

Philosophía
Originally posted by iceman24567
He beat Bor with the Odin force eek!

It's funny how I could use that fight not only to demean Bor and Thor, but also Odin

But since it was such an awesome fight, I'm not going to.

Slaanesh
yeah..that fight was awesome..

Zack Fair
That OP pic is nice.

iceman24567

zeel
this thread is bias. Your filling in more gaps that superman has. And only one gap thor has which is speed. And on top of that your removing thors odin force. Superman lose's all his weaknesses to magic. Superman gains cosmic awareness. He gains the ability to do abything the silver surfer had.


ANd what did you give thor? the flashes speed and took away his odinforce.


gimmie a break dude. SS offers 10 times more to supes then flash does to thor. Only chance thor has is to steal supes speed.

Thorion
Originally posted by zeel
this thread is bias. Your filling in more gaps that superman has. And only one gap thor has which is speed. And on top of that your removing thors odin force. Superman lose's all his weaknesses to magic. Superman gains cosmic awareness. He gains the ability to do abything the silver surfer had.


ANd what did you give thor? the flashes speed and took away his odinforce.


gimmie a break dude. SS offers 10 times more to supes then flash does to thor. Only chance thor has is to steal supes speed.

This.

Whatever happened to even match-ups?

Mindset

Starscream M
Originally posted by zeel
this thread is bias. Your filling in more gaps that superman has. And only one gap thor has which is speed. And on top of that your removing thors odin force. Superman lose's all his weaknesses to magic. Superman gains cosmic awareness. He gains the ability to do abything the silver surfer had.


ANd what did you give thor? the flashes speed and took away his odinforce.


gimmie a break dude. SS offers 10 times more to supes then flash does to thor. Only chance thor has is to steal supes speed.

first, get your facts straight

Superman still retains his weakness to Magic...getting power cosmic doesn't remove that weakness

second, you act like having Flash's powers only makes Thor run faster or something

the fact is that having speedforce will speed up ALL aspects of Thor...his reactions, his thinking speed, his fighting speed, etc. It will make Thor a much bigger threat.

UniOmni
Thor.

He gets the speed which is the only advantage Superman has over him imo.

The hammer trumps the power cosmic in most applications when Thor is compared to Surfer.

Superman can absorb more sunlight via pc, Thor can easily siphon it off.

Hammer blows at Superspeed would leave Superman mangled.

The PC is too energy dependent to do well against the hammer.

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