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Well current Richard is powerless, right?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
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supes

Current Nova is powerless.

So Supes takes this handily.

i didn't know that.... just consider him pre-depowered nova.

nova would put up a nice fight but will sadly lose.

superman,without much fuss

This is a good fight, 5/5 split (nova isnt fluent with his powers yet but the bit that he knows how to use is ruthless.)

Originally posted by carver9
This is a good fight, 5/5 split (nova isnt fluent with his powers yet but the bit that he knows how to use is ruthless.) you have got to be kiddding,i understand you hate supes carver,but nova has done nothing and has no feats to say he can put up a decent fight against superman.

give me some examples of who he has put down he are in supermans class

Originally posted by Nihilist
you have got to be kiddding,i understand you hate supes carver,but nova has done nothing and has no feats to say he can put up a decent fight against superman.

give me some examples of who he has put down he are in supermans class

You thinking that I hate supes doesnt have anything to do with my judgement, nova is just powerful as hell and has shown combat speed, and has shown that he can affect gravity, invulnerable, planet destroying blast and he has world mind AMPING his already unbelievable powers. I would give nova a chance against almost anyone and give him a majority over wonder woman. If it wasnt for the world mind I would give supes the majority.

Superman 10/10.

Superman. Nova isnt really on that level.

Originally posted by carver9
You thinking that I hate supes doesnt have anything to do with my judgement, nova is just powerful as hell and has shown combat speed, and has shown that he can affect gravity, invulnerable, planet destroying blast and he has world mind AMPING his already unbelievable powers. I would give nova a chance against almost anyone and give him a majority over wonder woman. If it wasnt for the world mind I would give supes the majority.

combat speed,he got blitzed and made to look totaly inept against surfer.he's not invulnerable in the least,he was one shotted by annihilus with a back hand before annihilus had the q/bands, and nova had a hard time against the thunderbolts.

what planets did he destroy?

Originally posted by Nihilist
combat speed,he got blitzed and made to look totaly inept against surfer.he's not invulnerable in the least,he was one shotted by annihilus with a back hand before annihilus had the q/bands, and nova had a hard time against the thunderbolts.

what planets did he destroy?

Lol, so you're using the surfer who I honestly think could blitz superman as well.

About his invulnerability, when was he DAMAGED and he also fought annihilus WITH the bands.

Lol, at you saying nova having a hard time with the thunderbolts, I seen it as him questioning them and toying around unless you can show me him using his powers.

I agree with the planet destroying comment because it was hyperbole.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol, so you're using the surfer who I honestly think could blitz superman as well.

About his invulnerability, when was he DAMAGED and he also fought annihilus WITH the bands.

Lol, at you saying nova having a hard time with the thunderbolts, I seen it as him questioning them and toying around unless you can show me him using his powers.

I agree with the planet destroying comment because it was hyperbole. when has nova shown any combat blitzing speed to show he can deal with peolpe on superman lvl.

annihilus one shoted nova when they first met,and knocked him flying and was out of the fight until after annihilus killed quasar.nova was getting beatdown by annihilus wit the q/bands.when they fought the second time, annihilus was weak after directly taking galactus's blast.

where do you get nova toying with them during the course of the fight: moonstone and radioactive man flattend him,radioactive man sent him flying thruogh a van and a building,penance blasted him flying and collapsed a building on him

Originally posted by Nihilist
when has nova shown any combat blitzing speed to show he can deal with peolpe on superman lvl.

annihilus one shoted nova when they first met,and knocked him flying and was out of the fight until after annihilus killed quasar.nova was getting beatdown by annihilus wit the q/bands.when they fought the second time, annihilus was weak after directly taking galactus's blast.

where do you get nova toying with them during the course of the fight: moonstone and radioactive man flattend him,radioactive man sent him flying thruogh a van and a building,penance blasted him flying and collapsed a building on him

He showed combat speed when he was fighting ( I forgot her name) the lady that possessed world mind when nova was infected. He also shown combat speed when he fought drax, creating after images etc.... and since you all like to use space flight, he flew light years in a couple of panels on numerous of occasions. I dont know where you're trying to make it appear as if superman fights at dragonball z levels when he dont, he use his speed against bricks just like nova does. It dont be winking out of two parties when superman is fight someone.

The thing that you fail to realize is that nova possess speed and he was still blitzed by surfer, the guy thought that he was hit by a damn energy blast which is something that surfer could also do to superman along with many other top tiers.

Nova wasnt being serious in his battle against the thunderbolts but I'm going to leave it like that because I dont care about that battle because I could easily bring up superman and batman fights but I know that its pis.

How weakened was annihilus when he fought nova the second time?

Nova vs thor = nova 4/10
Nova vs wonder woman = nova 7/10
Nova vs Hulk= Nova 7/10 (due to his gravitational power)

These are just my opinions due to nova potential.

Lulz @ Nova being on SSs level.


Supes beats his ass hard.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Lulz @ Nova being on SSs level.


Supes beats his ass hard.

Who said that nova was on ss level?

Anyone who said that is crazy. I dont know any top tier besides thor that is on silver surfers level.

Originally posted by carver9
He showed combat speed when he was fighting ( I forgot her name) the lady that possessed world mind when nova was infected. He also shown combat speed when he fought drax, creating after images etc.... and since you all like to use space flight, he flew light years in a couple of panels on numerous of occasions. I dont know where you're trying to make it appear as if superman fights at dragonball z levels when he dont, he use his speed against bricks just like nova does. It dont be winking out of two parties when superman is fight someone.

The thing that you fail to realize is that nova possess speed and he was still blitzed by surfer, the guy thought that he was hit by a damn energy blast which is something that surfer could also do to superman along with many other top tiers.

Nova wasnt being serious in his battle against the thunderbolts but I'm going to leave it like that because I dont care about that battle because I could easily bring up superman and batman fights but I know that its pis.

How weakened was annihilus when he fought nova the second time?

Nova vs thor = nova 4/10
Nova vs wonder woman = nova 7/10
Nova vs Hulk= Nova 7/10 (due to his gravitational power)

These are just my opinions due to nova potential. nova wasnt serious against thunderbolts!!why do you lie? nova was blasting the t bolts using pulsed phase blast's and getting physical with venom

even nova mentioned how weakend annihilus was the second time the fought.

and you seen to be basing this full fight on nova's potential,NOT fact or feats as nova has mostly come across as a idiot,who is always arguing with the worldmind.

Originally posted by Nihilist
nova wasnt serious against thunderbolts!!why do you lie? nova was blasting the t bolts using pulsed phase blast's and getting physical with venom

even nova mentioned how weakend annihilus was the second time the fought.

and you seen to be basing this full fight on nova's potential,NOT fact or feats as nova has mostly come across as a idiot,who is always arguing with the worldmind.


HHHHHHMMMMMMMM, good point and I agree with your last statement. I'm going to leave this fight alone then.

Meh, Supes 8/10

Thats if this is Nova when he had the full Nova Force and the Worldmind.

With the worldmind he could get a few wins, as it can use its insane combat data to help Richard in battle.

Also, as for people saying he has no feats, just no.

He physically went head to head with a freaking Technarch. ie, punching it and actually doing something.

He made Drax look like a child.

There are more, if needed. Although, Supes still takes a majority.

Also, that Thunderbolts thing is not a low showing. Nova didn't go all out, basically saying ' what are you doing, there's civilians all around us!' He was completely unharmed by anything the T-bolts did, and when he was about to own them Stark broke the fight up.

Originally posted by Nihilist
combat speed,he got blitzed and made to look totaly inept against surfer.he's not invulnerable in the least,he was one shotted by annihilus with a back hand before annihilus had the q/bands, and nova had a hard time against the thunderbolts.

what planets did he destroy?
Not that I'm saying Nova takes this match, but carver's right about him having super speed both in and out of combat...


http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8702/novav201617roughertp0.th.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3459/novav201316rougherte7.th.jpg

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6936/novav200401roughermo8.th.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7783/novav20040203rougherrn0.th.jpg

Originally posted by darthgoober
Not that I'm saying Nova takes this match, but carver's right about him having super speed both in and out of combat...


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http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6936/novav200401roughermo8.th.jpg
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Wow, and thats not even a nova that is CLOSE to the power that hes at now. Do you also have the one where nova is aiding wolverine with some robots and he fly around the world in seconds, calling all the heros to aid wolverine (I forgot what book it was in but wolverine was dying of adamantium poison due to him losing his healing factor).

Originally posted by carver9
Wow, and thats not even a nova that is CLOSE to the power that hes at now. Do you also have the one where nova is aiding wolverine with some robots and he fly around the world in seconds, calling all the heros to aid wolverine (I forgot what book it was in but wolverine was dying of adamantium poison due to him losing his healing factor).
I don't have the instance on hand but if you can remember what book it's from I can get it. You might try asking capt or jinzin if it's a Wolverine book.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Not that I'm saying Nova takes this match, but carver's right about him having super speed both in and out of combat...


http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8702/novav201617roughertp0.th.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3459/novav201316rougherte7.th.jpg

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First two

The first one is only a super kick so... eh, but that second one, lol Captain America could do that(minus the blast, maybe a kick instead).

Last two

Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't have the instance on hand but if you can remember what book it's from I can get it. You might try asking capt or jinzin if it's a Wolverine book.

Good idea

Originally posted by Spire
First two

The first one is only a super kick so... eh, but that second one, lol Captain America could do that(minus the blast, maybe a kick instead).

Last two

Whats wrong with the 1st two. I wished he put up that drax fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Whats wrong with the 1st two. I wished he put up that drax fight.
What issue's the Drax fight?

Originally posted by carver9
Whats wrong with the 1st two. I wished he put up that drax fight.

Originally posted by Spire
The first one is only a super kick so... eh, but that second one, lol Captain America could do that(minus the blast, maybe a kick instead).

Originally posted by darthgoober
What issue's the Drax fight?

I can get the scans.

Destroying something the size of a mountain.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/Annihilation018.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/Annihilation019.jpg

Speed feats.

Flew from earth to the kree home world in 12 minutes, trillions of times the speed of light.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novaspeed.jpg

Its actually SAYING that he's going to the speed of light.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novaspeed1.jpg

Blitzes

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http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novaspeed3.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/Nova_6_DCP_0013.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/Nova_6_DCP_0015.jpg

Originally posted by darthgoober
Not that I'm saying Nova takes this match, but carver's right about him having super speed both in and out of combat...

*skip*


I agree about the first two being relativly unimpressive. The last one does require superspeed though. Sort of this feat's little brother:

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_speedunpacking.jpg

Because travel/flying speed translates so well into combat speed/movement/reaction time/reflexes. I'm not even going to bother and pick at that scan for actually saying .8 superluminal speed.

Why would anyone put a powerless Nova against Superman?

so that supes may actually win

OMG, I busted a gut!!!





















Nah, I'm kidding.
Anyway, Superman would beat any Rich Rider.

bump

Should have bumped this after we see what he can do next month.

i did, being that canada exists in the future and all.

^You're from Canada as well?

yes

Originally posted by Nihilist
superman,without much fuss

Originally posted by psycho gundam
yes

Cool.

I'm in Toronto.

Originally posted by Nihilist
nova wasnt serious against thunderbolts!!why do you lie? nova was blasting the t bolts using pulsed phase blast's and getting physical with venom

even nova mentioned how weakend annihilus was the second time the fought.

and you seen to be basing this full fight on nova's potential,NOT fact or feats as nova has mostly come across as a idiot,who is always arguing with the worldmind.

I agree and I'm undecided on this battle. Both are powerful but Nova powers is a mystery and speculation.

So as of right now, Supes 8/10

Nova rips supes guts from his mouth

Originally posted by Forever Nick
Nova rips supes guts from his mouth


And what are you basing this off of?

Nova's strength. Superman would get utterly destroyed against Annihilus.

Originally posted by Forever Nick
Nova's strength. Superman would get utterly destroyed against Annihilus.

Nova got destroyed by annihilus and stop using abc logic. I agree, nova would give him a fight but I just cant see him winning.

I just cant see Supes winning either. We agree to disagree -___-

Originally posted by Forever Nick
Nova rips supes guts from his mouth

Are you serious?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Are you serious?

Yes, put Superman in annihilation. He dies quicker than Wendell Vaughn

Originally posted by Forever Nick
Yes, put Superman in annihilation. He dies quicker than Wendell Vaughn

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Motifake/facepalm-lion-facepalm-demotivation.jpg

Yo.

Originally posted by Forever Nick
Nova rips supes guts from his mouth

so basically, yur saying that Nova would beat a Superman who had just barely survived a solar system -wide destructive blast, and then had his *back-up* source of power ripped away from him??

ok, I guess I could see that, cuz he sure as hell aint beating him straight-up.






Tazer

Nice hat Richard has himself here.

Supes for majority. But Nova is still cool in his own right.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.



so basically, yur saying that Nova would beat a Superman who had just barely survived a solar system -wide destructive blast, and then had his *back-up* source of power ripped away from him??

ok, I guess I could see that, cuz he sure as hell aint beating him straight-up.






Tazer

Yup thats what i am saying.

superman

dickrider ftl

he even has a dick hat.

he'll be able to kick superman's when his next issue comes out, you'll see

If i may ask, how does supes get his powers ?

Sol.

crylaugh @carver in this thread.

Was this bumped just to show carved @ his worst?

Superman solidly

Superman

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Was this bumped just to show carved @ his worst?

Superman solidly
Nah, that's shown in every superman thread he posts in.

Guys, don't bash.

Nova Prime, based on that one feat that dmills and bran showed me of him physically busting through a neutron star in what was stated to be half a femtosecond.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Nova Prime, based on that one feat that dmills and bran showed me of him physically busting through a neutron star in what was stated to be half a femtosecond.
Which never happened. All nova did was that he used the gravity of that neutron star to create a stargate and escaped. It wasn't in femtosecond either.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Nova Prime, based on that one feat that dmills and bran showed me of him physically busting through a neutron star in what was stated to be half a femtosecond.

Half a femtosecond? As much as I would LOVE a feat like that for BB purposes, alas, no actual speed was alluded to... Just that if he flew into the star with enough velocity, he'd cause it to warp. So it's a durability, power and speed feat all rolled into one.

Works for me either way

Originally posted by dmills
Half a femtosecond? As much as I would LOVE a feat like that for BB purposes, alas, no actual speed was alluded to... Just that if he flew into the star with enough velocity, he'd cause it to warp. So it's a durability, power and speed feat all rolled into one.

Works for me either way ;-)

Way to not play along broham.

You just pulled a Zop on me. facepalm

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Way to not play along broham.

You just pulled a Zop on me. facepalm

FML!!! I KNEW as soon as I posted my response that you were phuckin around lol! Prolly because you knew abhi would come in here lol!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Which never happened. All nova did was that he used the gravity of that neutron star to create a stargate and escaped. It wasn't in femtosecond either.

You do realize that even if that's all that he did (which it's not), that it'd still be one hell of a feat right?

We still have that one feat where he was trapped in a malfunctioning worldmind amped blackhole and he overcame the pressure, and incidentally made an even bigger blackhole spanning a couple of parsecs from fighting against it.

You've been keeping that card to your chest man. Time to bring it out.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
We still have that one feat where he was trapped in a malfunctioning worldmind amped blackhole and he overcame the pressure, and incidentally made an even bigger blackhole spanning a couple of parsecs from fighting against it.

You've been keeping that card to your chest man. Time to bring it out.

lol... At the right moment...

Originally posted by dmills
Half a femtosecond? As much as I would LOVE a feat like that for BB purposes, alas, no actual speed was alluded to... Just that if he flew into the star with enough velocity, he'd cause it to warp. So it's a durability, power and speed feat all rolled into one.

Works for me either way
He didn't caused it to warp with his speed and he was getting crushed by the gravity even from a distance away.Originally posted by dmills
You do realize that even if that's all that he did (which it's not), that it'd still be one hell of a feat right?
That's what he did. Its like saying Iceman freezing something is a hell of a feat. Nova's shtick is creating a stargate with gravity manipulation, he created a stargate by gravity of a neutron star. Simple as that.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
We still have that one feat where he was trapped in a malfunctioning worldmind amped blackhole and he overcame the pressure, and incidentally made an even bigger blackhole spanning a couple of parsecs from fighting against it.

You've been keeping that card to your chest man. Time to bring it out.
Stop phucking around or I'll call bada.

uhuh

You want Bada to come in here and vouch for me?

I hope you realize, I have a pet turtle. sneer

Originally posted by abhilegend
He didn't caused it to warp with his speed and he was getting crushed by the gravity even from a distance away.
That's what he did. Its like saying Iceman freezing something is a hell of a feat. Nova's shtick is creating a stargate with gravity manipulation, he created a stargate by gravity of a neutron star. Simple as that.


Wait... Are you phucking with me? You're jerking my chain again aren't ya buddy? Because I know that you don't want to seriously debate that scene with me, when you know that I know this shit like the back of my own hand haermm

However, just in case you are in fact serious about it not being a speed (when his velocity was specifically mentioned) durability (when we see him actually complaining about the gravity well crushing him), or power feat (even though he was at only 17% of his power, and a gravity quake was actually triggered by the impact etc) then put it in the "Mythbuster" section. We can "SETTLE IT THERE" lol.

Uh Oh.

Dmills getting close to bustin' out paragraphs with the N-Word sprinkling.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its like saying Iceman freezing something is a hell of a feat. Nova's shtick is creating a stargate with gravity manipulation, he created a stargate by gravity of a neutron star. Simple as that.

^^ ^ ^^^^^^ ^ ^^ ^^^
This is lowballing at it's finest.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
^^ ^ ^^^^^^ ^ ^^ ^^^
This is lowballing at it's finest.

Nah... We'll just refer to it as gross oversimplification. But he's only "kidding"... I hope.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Uh Oh.

Dmills getting close to bustin' out paragraphs with the N-Word sprinkling.

Originally posted by dmills
Wait... Are you phucking with me? You're jerking my chain again aren't ya buddy? Because I know that you don't want to seriously debate that scene with me, when you know that I know this shit like the back of my own hand haermm

However, just in case you are in fact serious about it not being a speed (when his velocity was specifically mentioned) durability (when we see him actually complaining about the gravity well crushing him), or power feat (even though he was at only 17% of his power, and a gravity quake was actually triggered by the impact etc) then put it in the "Mythbuster" section. We can "SETTLE IT THERE" lol.

Originally posted by dmills
Wait... Are you phucking with me? You're jerking my chain again aren't ya buddy? Because I know that you don't want to seriously debate that scene with me, when you know that I know this shit like the back of my own hand haermm

However, just in case you are in fact serious about it not being a speed (when his velocity was specifically mentioned) durability (when we see him actually complaining about the gravity well crushing him), or power feat (even though he was at only 17% of his power, and a gravity quake was actually triggered by the impact etc) then put it in the "Mythbuster" section. We can "SETTLE IT THERE" lol.
Of course I ain't kidding.

uhuh

He was getting crushed in the gravity well, then he created a stargate which triggered a gravity quake. Its a good feat for his gravity manipulation but that's it. He never struck the surface of the star, he would've been crushed to death by worldmind's own admission. Also it was stated to be half the speed of light, nothing impressive for someone like Nova. Drax and Gamora never complained about being crushed though.

vin

Pre reboot Supes for the majority...reboot Superman, Nova wins.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course I ain't kidding.

uhuh

He was getting crushed in the gravity well, then he created a stargate which triggered a gravity quake. Its a good feat for his gravity manipulation but that's it. He never struck the surface of the star, he would've been crushed to death by worldmind's own admission. Also it was stated to be half the speed of light, nothing impressive for someone like Nova. Drax and Gamora never complained about being crushed though.

vin

Going to see Pacific Rim... Bookmarked... I'll address this point by point upon my return... Your ass is now mine.

Originally posted by dmills
Going to see Pacific Rim... Bookmarked... I'll address this point by point upon my return... Your ass is now mine.
We'll see bro, we'll see.

Originally posted by dmills
Going to see Pacific Rim... Bookmarked... I'll address this point by point upon my return... Your ass is now mine.

egne2ZCMM_0

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course I ain't kidding.
uhuh
He was getting crushed in the gravity well, then he created a stargate which triggered a gravity quake. Its a good feat for his gravity manipulation but that's it. He never struck the surface of the star, he would've been crushed to death by worldmind's own admission. Also it was stated to be half the speed of light, nothing impressive for someone like Nova.
He was at 17% his normal levels as was already pointed out. A neutron star has about 200,000,000,000 the gravity of earth. Our sun has 28 times the gravity of earth to put that into perspective. The corresponding art shows he either struck it's surface or came very close to it. Worldmind did say he had to fly into it in the first place in order for him to bend it's gravity. Sigh...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Drax and Gamora never complained about being crushed though.
vin Err... Maybe because Richard already caused the gravity quake? They didn't actually have to fly into the neutron star and bend it's abnormal gravity. They were caught in the wormhole event that Richard already created...

Why must u always be corrected?

Celey you fool!

Why did you enter the fray? Let Dmills do his promised work!

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Celey you fool!

Why did you enter the fray? Let Dmills do his promised work!
Don worry.. He messaged me through the Nova Corps comlink... All is well..

Anyways.. As for this thread, Clark wins...

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He was at 17% his normal levels as was already pointed out. I know. He just bent the gravity and made a wormhole. Worldmind stated clearly that any matter would be crushed if it touches the star's surface. He never touched the surface. He would;ve been crushed if he did so. That was due to the wormhole he created.

They never complained when they were chasing after him and the gravity quake doesn't mean the gravity of the neutron star was lessened. They entered the gravity well of the star without any complaint unlike dick rider. They were caught in the wake of that wormhole that tossed star matter in their faces.

Why must you always be a dick rider?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I know. He just bent the gravity and made a wormhole. Worldmind stated clearly that any matter would be crushed if it touches the star's surface. He never touched the surface. He would;ve been crushed if he did so. That was due to the wormhole he created.
"just bent the gravity and made a wormhole"
Lol.. U make it seem like it's as easy as baking cookies...

Worldmind was giving him fun facts about neutron stars. When he said "any matter", wouldn't you think he's referring to normal things and not powered beings especially someone who houses the entirety of the nova force (a force that can manipulate gravity for that matter)...

Originally posted by abhilegend

They never complained when they were chasing after him and the gravity quake doesn't mean the gravity of the neutron star was lessened. They entered the gravity well of the star without any complaint unlike dick rider. They were caught in the wake of that wormhole that tossed star matter in their faces.

Why must you always be a dick rider?
Wait so ure telling me they reached into the neutron star as far as Rider did? And even though he clearly blew past them on his way to the neutron star and shown pretty clearly that a huge disturbance at the surface(presumably the gravity quake) already started and they were shown no where at that particular scene?

Are u also telling me they are as durable or more durable than Rider even though his other durability feats trump what ever durability feats they have ever shown?

What other cockamamie notions are u trying to parade here? This I gotta see because it will only make you look ridiculous..

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
"just bent the gravity and made a wormhole"
Lol.. U make it seem like it's as easy as baking cookies... It must have been.

Considering that Nova was getting crushed in just the gravity well, I don't think he could survive on the surface.


You tell me.

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/lgunibrow88/Nova/Post%20Annihilaton/EP/Novav407n.jpg

They certainly felt that star matter, didn't they?
Are you sure about that? Really sure?

Rider's durability at 17% power trumps their durability? Post all the feats.

And it makes you look like a dick rider.

Ok...Sorry abhi... Date smh, she tweaked me out last night lol...

Anywho. Upon further reading the scans, this feat is even less ambiguous than I had previously thought...


Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course I ain't kidding.

uhuh

He was getting crushed in the gravity well, then he created a stargate which triggered a gravity quake. Its a good feat for his gravity manipulation but that's it. He never struck the surface of the star, he would've been crushed to death by worldmind's own admission. Also it was stated to be half the speed of light, nothing impressive for someone like Nova. Drax and Gamora never complained about being crushed though.

vin

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_025.jpg


Right out of the gate, we see an issue with abhi's interpretation of the scene...

It clearly and plainly says that Matter would strike it's surface at 150,000 km/s and be crushed under it's own weight... 150,000 km/s is just about half of light speed, however it was never stated that Richie was traveling at that speed, or that Richie would be crushed. Only that the hypothetical random matter reaching it's surface {hint hint}would be.

So you can manipulate it's gravity. Richard, you need to focus your power reserves {which were at 17%} and FLY INTO IT...

Not fly into it's gravity well... into IT. IT being the neutron star itself...

WHOA! Fly INTO {hint hint} it? What about the whole "crushed under it's own weight" thing I distinctly remember you saying?

So yet another emphasis on flying into the surface of the star itself, this time Richard further corroborates what the WM was stating about matter striking it's surface.

If I calculate your VELOCITY accurately, you will bend the stars abnormal gravity and cause a wormhole event...

Ahh, so there's where the VELOCITY- the rate of change of the position of an object, equivalent to a specification of its speed and direction of motion- comes into play... Velocity... matter... surface... Accurate velocity, bend it's abnormal gravity... AND CAUSE a wormhole event... Putting it all together the implication is, matter traveling at "merely" 150,000 km/s would be crushed striking it's surface, but at the proper VELOCITY, NOVA PRIME would bend the star's abnormal gravity and cause a hyper gravimetric wormhole to form if he were to fly into it... He was flying into that thing at far faster speeds than 150,000 km/s. Hell, Richard is even depicted as still having reservations because he gets the implications of what the WM is asking him to do.


Calculating trajectory. ENTERING THE STAR'S GRAVITY WELL... ACCELERATING...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_029.jpg

In these set of panels we actually see that he's already entering the gravity well. THEN, he turns on the afterburners... He felt some discomfort in the course of this, but he wasn't being "crushed" in the way that Abhi is trying to emphasize. Ultimately, his DURABILITY held up.


SPLASH!
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_031.jpg

Here we actually see him hitting it, and the "splashing" effect that him striking it causes... Like what happens when someone dives into a swimming pool.

GRAVITY QUAKE! He's TRIGGERED A GRAVITY QUAKE! RIDER YOU FOO...

They get caught in it's wake...

KTHOOM!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_032.jpg

They are now an immeasurable distance away from their point of origin... In fact, the WM has no idea where the hell they even are. Normally, when they create a stargate, they calculate the exit points in advance. However in this case, it had no clue where they'd end up because it was such an unconventional way of making a wormhole, via pure velocity. But it knew that it would work based on it's calculations with relation to the mass of the neutron star and the velocity that would necessarily be required to warp it.

So to recap. Abhi's position is that the feat (to hell with the dramatic build up, dialogue and outcome) is "merely" a wormhole/stargate creating feat that is akin to "Iceman freezing water" (his words, not mine). His speed, power and durability had nothing to do with it. Standard KMC protocol when one wants to undervalue a feat, strip it down to it's simplest form and all.

My contention is that Abhi is grossly oversimplifying what transpired on panel and that speed, power and durability had everything to do with it. If it were merely a stargate creation feat, why the need to risk his life by flying straight into it when he could have simply waved his hands a little and caused it to warp like he did in Annihilation when he created the biggest stargate like, ever....

http://img704.imageshack.us/i/nova03page15.jpg/
http://img23.imageshack.us/i/nova03page16.jpg/
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/nova03page17.jpg/
http://img823.imageshack.us/f/nova03page18.jpg/
http://img80.imageshack.us/i/nova03page19.jpg/
http://img638.imageshack.us/i/nova03page20.jpg/

Is it a perfect scene? No. Everything is not tied up in a neat little bow for us. However what IS clear, is that it is one hell of a feat for Nova either way you slice it. So if Abhi wants to imply that Nova, at only 17% of his power, still has neutron star level gravity manipulation then that's cool. It would still make him one of, if not the most powerful gravity manipulators in comics. At merely a fraction of his full power...


Now, for a little supplemental evidence to support my stance that this is in fact a speed/power and durability feat and was caused largely by Nova impacting the surface of the star.

What is a gravity quake exactly? A play on the natural phenomenon of a star quake...




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starquake_(astrophysics)#Starquake

http://www.space.com/1321-biggest-starquake.html

http://jila.colorado.edu/content/simulating-starquake

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/18/ok-so-maybe-we-can-be-a-little-frightened/#.UflXwFWzKpg


For further disclosure, of course, this entire thing of it "merely" being a wormhole creating feat (lol) stems from a conversation from 4 or so months ago when I said that Nova Prime could've obliterated that dark moon just as Superman did if he were to fly into it at the velocity needed to accomplish the neutron star feat. Others agreed, then the lowballing started. Hence the emphasis on anything BUT Nova hitting the surface. Up to and including Neutron Star level gravity manipulation at only 17% of his power...

{nod to Bran for the scans}

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He was at 17% his normal levels as was already pointed out. A neutron star has about 200,000,000,000 the gravity of earth. Our sun has 28 times the gravity of earth to put that into perspective. The corresponding art shows he either struck it's surface or came very close to it. Worldmind did say he had to fly into it in the first place in order for him to bend it's gravity. Sigh...

Err... Maybe because Richard already caused the gravity quake? They didn't actually have to fly into the neutron star and bend it's abnormal gravity. They were caught in the wormhole event that Richard already created...

Why must u always be corrected?

And with all of that, you condensed what I said into a few sentences lol... Wish I'd have seen this BEFORE I responded. FML.

Oh, and Superman wins.

Originally posted by dmills
Ok...Sorry abhi... Date smh, she tweaked me out last night lol...

Anywho. Upon further reading the scans, this feat is even less ambiguous than I had previously thought...




http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_025.jpg


Right out of the gate, we see an issue with abhi's interpretation of the scene...

It clearly and plainly says that Matter would strike it's surface at 150,000 km/s and be crushed under it's own weight... 150,000 km/s is just about half of light speed, however it was never stated that Richie was traveling at that speed, or that Richie would be crushed. Only that the hypothetical random matter reaching it's surface {hint hint}would be.

So you can manipulate it's gravity. Richard, you need to focus your power reserves {which were at 17%} and FLY INTO IT...

Not fly into it's gravity well... into IT. IT being the neutron star itself...

WHOA! Fly INTO {hint hint} it? What about the whole "crushed under it's own weight" thing I distinctly remember you saying?

So yet another emphasis on flying into the surface of the star itself, this time Richard further corroborates what the WM was stating about matter striking it's surface.

If I calculate your VELOCITY accurately, you will bend the stars abnormal gravity and cause a wormhole event...

Ahh, so there's where the VELOCITY- the rate of change of the position of an object, equivalent to a specification of its speed and direction of motion- comes into play... Velocity... matter... surface... Accurate velocity, bend it's abnormal gravity... AND CAUSE a wormhole event... Putting it all together the implication is, matter traveling at "merely" 150,000 km/s would be crushed striking it's surface, but at the proper VELOCITY, NOVA PRIME would bend the star's abnormal gravity and cause a hyper gravimetric wormhole to form if he were to fly into it... He was flying into that thing at far faster speeds than 150,000 km/s. Hell, Richard is even depicted as still having reservations because he gets the implications of what the WM is asking him to do.


Calculating trajectory. ENTERING THE STAR'S GRAVITY WELL... ACCELERATING...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_029.jpg

In these set of panels we actually see that he's already entering the gravity well. THEN, he turns on the afterburners... He felt some discomfort in the course of this, but he wasn't being "crushed" in the way that Abhi is trying to emphasize. Ultimately, his DURABILITY held up.


SPLASH!
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_031.jpg

Here we actually see him hitting it, and the "splashing" effect that him striking it causes... Like what happens when someone dives into a swimming pool.

GRAVITY QUAKE! He's TRIGGERED A GRAVITY QUAKE! RIDER YOU FOO...

They get caught in it's wake...

KTHOOM!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_032.jpg

They are now an immeasurable distance away from their point of origin... In fact, the WM has no idea where the hell they even are. Normally, when they create a stargate, they calculate the exit points in advance. However in this case, it had no clue where they'd end up because it was such an unconventional way of making a wormhole, via pure velocity. But it knew that it would work based on it's calculations with relation to the mass of the neutron star and the velocity that would necessarily be required to warp it.

So to recap. Abhi's position is that the feat (to hell with the dramatic build up, dialogue and outcome) is "merely" a wormhole/stargate creating feat that is akin to "Iceman freezing water" (his words, not mine). His speed, power and durability had nothing to do with it. Standard KMC protocol when one wants to undervalue a feat, strip it down to it's simplest form and all.

My contention is that Abhi is grossly oversimplifying what transpired on panel and that speed, power and durability had everything to do with it. If it were merely a stargate creation feat, why the need to risk his life by flying straight into it when he could have simply waved his hands a little and caused it to warp like he did in Annihilation when he created the biggest stargate like, ever....

http://img704.imageshack.us/i/nova03page15.jpg/
http://img23.imageshack.us/i/nova03page16.jpg/
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/nova03page17.jpg/
http://img823.imageshack.us/f/nova03page18.jpg/
http://img80.imageshack.us/i/nova03page19.jpg/
http://img638.imageshack.us/i/nova03page20.jpg/

Is it a perfect scene? No. Everything is not tied up in a neat little bow for us. However what IS clear, is that it is one hell of a feat for Nova either way you slice it. So if Abhi wants to imply that Nova, at only 17% of his power, still has neutron star level gravity manipulation then that's cool. It would still make him one of, if not the most powerful gravity manipulators in comics. At merely a fraction of his full power...


Now, for a little supplemental evidence to support my stance that this is in fact a speed/power and durability feat and was caused largely by Nova impacting the surface of the star.

What is a gravity quake exactly? A play on the natural phenomenon of a star quake...




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starquake_(astrophysics)#Starquake

http://www.space.com/1321-biggest-starquake.html

http://jila.colorado.edu/content/simulating-starquake

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/18/ok-so-maybe-we-can-be-a-little-frightened/#.UflXwFWzKpg


For further disclosure, of course, this entire thing of it "merely" being a wormhole creating feat (lol) stems from a conversation from 4 or so months ago when I said that Nova Prime could've obliterated that dark moon just as Superman did if he were to fly into it at the velocity needed to accomplish the neutron star feat. Others agreed, then the lowballing started. Hence the emphasis on anything BUT Nova hitting the surface. Up to and including Neutron Star level gravity manipulation at only 17% of his power...

{nod to Bran for the scans} Nicely done.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They certainly felt that star matter, didn't they?
Are you sure about that? Really sure?

Rider's durability at 17% power trumps their durability? Post all the feats.

Uhh... Yeah I'm sure..

Rider at 17% capacity is still more powerful than his centurion days. Probably even more powerful than when he got his first upgrade. Do you want me to start posting durability feats at those power levels?
You can bet it will trump theirs...

I can't believe ure implying that Drax and Gamora could replicate such a feat with their durability... They don't even have auto shields that's part of Richie's durability to begin with. What ure making it out to be is just straight dumb.

Sigh....

Originally posted by dmills
Ok...Sorry abhi... Date smh, she tweaked me out last night lol... Excuses, excuses.

Of course he wasn't getting crushed. Why is he whining that he is getting compressed though?

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16382751_Novav407m.jpg

Fly into it and manipulate the gravity which he did.

I don't know what you're trying to say here.


Of course, getting compressed isn't being crushed.


Or creating what he was actually trying to create, y'know the wormhole.
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/lgunibrow88/Nova/Post%20Annihilaton/EP/Novav407o.jpg

So you have any proof that the gravity quake wasn't triggered by rider manipulating the gravity of the star.

That was merely a comparison. This is just a wormhole creation feat as shown on panel. Unless you mean Rider while striking the surface of the star created a wormhole and surprisingly there wasn't trace of star material when they exit the wormhole. If he actually struck the surface of the star, there must've some star material which would've been carried by creation of the wormhole.

Oh, its a durability feat since Rider could somewhat resist the gravity well of a neutron star at 17% of power.

I never doubted that ol' buddy. I don't think any gravity manipulator has captured a psionic entity by gravity.


Ok?


Actually, I didn't even had that debate in mind when I claimed that it was a wormhole creating feat in this thread.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Uhh... Yeah I'm sure..

Rider at 17% capacity is still more powerful than his centurion days. Probably even more powerful than when he got his first upgrade. Do you want me to start posting durability feats at those power levels?
You can bet it will trump theirs...

I can't believe ure implying that Drax and Gamora could replicate such a feat with their durability... They don't even have auto shields that's part of Richie's durability to begin with. What ure making it out to be is just straight dumb.

Sigh....
So nova centurion was only 17% as powerful as nova prime? Proof?

I don't doubt nova is more durable than drax and gamora. At 17% power though? I'm not convinced.

Sup man? I had forgotten that you are a vampire on the forum lol

Ownage Post of the year candidate.

Originally posted by dmills
Ok...Sorry abhi... Date smh, she tweaked me out last night lol...

Anywho. Upon further reading the scans, this feat is even less ambiguous than I had previously thought...




http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_025.jpg


Right out of the gate, we see an issue with abhi's interpretation of the scene...

It clearly and plainly says that Matter would strike it's surface at 150,000 km/s and be crushed under it's own weight... 150,000 km/s is just about half of light speed, however it was never stated that Richie was traveling at that speed, or that Richie would be crushed. Only that the hypothetical random matter reaching it's surface {hint hint}would be.

So you can manipulate it's gravity. Richard, you need to focus your power reserves {which were at 17%} and FLY INTO IT...

Not fly into it's gravity well... into IT. IT being the neutron star itself...

WHOA! Fly INTO {hint hint} it? What about the whole "crushed under it's own weight" thing I distinctly remember you saying?

So yet another emphasis on flying into the surface of the star itself, this time Richard further corroborates what the WM was stating about matter striking it's surface.

If I calculate your VELOCITY accurately, you will bend the stars abnormal gravity and cause a wormhole event...

Ahh, so there's where the VELOCITY- the rate of change of the position of an object, equivalent to a specification of its speed and direction of motion- comes into play... Velocity... matter... surface... Accurate velocity, bend it's abnormal gravity... AND CAUSE a wormhole event... Putting it all together the implication is, matter traveling at "merely" 150,000 km/s would be crushed striking it's surface, but at the proper VELOCITY, NOVA PRIME would bend the star's abnormal gravity and cause a hyper gravimetric wormhole to form if he were to fly into it... He was flying into that thing at far faster speeds than 150,000 km/s. Hell, Richard is even depicted as still having reservations because he gets the implications of what the WM is asking him to do.


Calculating trajectory. ENTERING THE STAR'S GRAVITY WELL... ACCELERATING...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_029.jpg

In these set of panels we actually see that he's already entering the gravity well. THEN, he turns on the afterburners... He felt some discomfort in the course of this, but he wasn't being "crushed" in the way that Abhi is trying to emphasize. Ultimately, his DURABILITY held up.


SPLASH!
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_031.jpg

Here we actually see him hitting it, and the "splashing" effect that him striking it causes... Like what happens when someone dives into a swimming pool.

GRAVITY QUAKE! He's TRIGGERED A GRAVITY QUAKE! RIDER YOU FOO...

They get caught in it's wake...

KTHOOM!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_032.jpg

They are now an immeasurable distance away from their point of origin... In fact, the WM has no idea where the hell they even are. Normally, when they create a stargate, they calculate the exit points in advance. However in this case, it had no clue where they'd end up because it was such an unconventional way of making a wormhole, via pure velocity. But it knew that it would work based on it's calculations with relation to the mass of the neutron star and the velocity that would necessarily be required to warp it.

So to recap. Abhi's position is that the feat (to hell with the dramatic build up, dialogue and outcome) is "merely" a wormhole/stargate creating feat that is akin to "Iceman freezing water" (his words, not mine). His speed, power and durability had nothing to do with it. Standard KMC protocol when one wants to undervalue a feat, strip it down to it's simplest form and all.

My contention is that Abhi is grossly oversimplifying what transpired on panel and that speed, power and durability had everything to do with it. If it were merely a stargate creation feat, why the need to risk his life by flying straight into it when he could have simply waved his hands a little and caused it to warp like he did in Annihilation when he created the biggest stargate like, ever....

http://img704.imageshack.us/i/nova03page15.jpg/
http://img23.imageshack.us/i/nova03page16.jpg/
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/nova03page17.jpg/
http://img823.imageshack.us/f/nova03page18.jpg/
http://img80.imageshack.us/i/nova03page19.jpg/
http://img638.imageshack.us/i/nova03page20.jpg/

Is it a perfect scene? No. Everything is not tied up in a neat little bow for us. However what IS clear, is that it is one hell of a feat for Nova either way you slice it. So if Abhi wants to imply that Nova, at only 17% of his power, still has neutron star level gravity manipulation then that's cool. It would still make him one of, if not the most powerful gravity manipulators in comics. At merely a fraction of his full power...


Now, for a little supplemental evidence to support my stance that this is in fact a speed/power and durability feat and was caused largely by Nova impacting the surface of the star.

What is a gravity quake exactly? A play on the natural phenomenon of a star quake...




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starquake_(astrophysics)#Starquake

http://www.space.com/1321-biggest-starquake.html

http://jila.colorado.edu/content/simulating-starquake

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/18/ok-so-maybe-we-can-be-a-little-frightened/#.UflXwFWzKpg


For further disclosure, of course, this entire thing of it "merely" being a wormhole creating feat (lol) stems from a conversation from 4 or so months ago when I said that Nova Prime could've obliterated that dark moon just as Superman did if he were to fly into it at the velocity needed to accomplish the neutron star feat. Others agreed, then the lowballing started. Hence the emphasis on anything BUT Nova hitting the surface. Up to and including Neutron Star level gravity manipulation at only 17% of his power...

{nod to Bran for the scans}

Originally posted by abhilegend
So nova centurion was only 17% as powerful as nova prime? Proof?

I don't doubt nova is more durable than drax and gamora. At 17% power though? I'm not convinced.

It's simple, Drax and Gamora would have perished in a like scenario. Gamora stood up briefly to the energy of a star; however, she was injured and it took some time for her to heal. I don't know what else it takes to convince you you were completely wrong about this. The Rider feat was ridiculously impressive and it was a physical act.

Originally posted by dmills
Sup man? I had forgotten that you are a vampire on the forum lol
Fine man. Can you shut this noob up who is ruining our fun?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
It's simple, Drax and Gamora would have perished in a like scenario. Gamora stood up briefly to the energy of a star; however, she was injured and it took some time for her to heal. I don't know what else it takes to convince you you were completely wrong about this. The Rider feat was ridiculously impressive and it was a physical act.
facepalm

Read these scans and educate yourself fool.

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/lgunibrow88/Nova/Post%20Annihilaton/EP/Novav407m.jpg
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/lgunibrow88/Nova/Post%20Annihilaton/EP/Novav407n.jpg

Who's complaining about being compressed and who are completely fine?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Fine man. Can you shut this noob up who is ruining our fun?


You're on your own bro, I like that he's harassing you lol!

Originally posted by dmills
You're on your own bro, I like that he's harassing you lol!
More like annoying me. He's like quan lite.

Originally posted by carver9
He showed combat speed when he was fighting ( I forgot her name) the lady that possessed world mind when nova was infected. He also shown combat speed when he fought drax, creating after images etc.... and since you all like to use space flight, he flew light years in a couple of panels on numerous of occasions. I dont know where you're trying to make it appear as if superman fights at dragonball z levels when he dont, he use his speed against bricks just like nova does. It dont be winking out of two parties when superman is fight someone.

The thing that you fail to realize is that nova possess speed and he was still blitzed by surfer, the guy thought that he was hit by a damn energy blast which is something that surfer could also do to superman along with many other top tiers.

Nova wasnt being serious in his battle against the thunderbolts but I'm going to leave it like that because I dont care about that battle because I could easily bring up superman and batman fights but I know that its pis.

How weakened was annihilus when he fought nova the second time?

Nova vs thor = nova 4/10
Nova vs wonder woman = nova 7/10
Nova vs Hulk= Nova 7/10 (due to his gravitational power)

These are just my opinions due to nova potential. ....i... I agree with the carver wtf...... I think we all are gonna die tonight the sky is falling.

Who the hell bumped this thread anyway?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So nova centurion was only 17% as powerful as nova prime? Proof?

I don't doubt nova is more durable than drax and gamora. At 17% power though? I'm not convinced.
Proof? Lol ure funny..

How about proof that Drax and Gammora showing a durability feat remotely close to this? And no... U can't use ure misinterpretation of this feat..

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Proof? Lol ure funny..

How about proof that Drax and Gammora showing a durability feat remotely close to this? And no... U can't use ure misinterpretation of this feat..

And you're a dick rider.

Rider complained about getting compressed. Drax and Gamora didn't. Its obvious who was more durable at that point.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And you're a dick rider.

Rider complained about getting compressed. Drax and Gamora didn't. Its obvious who was more durable at that point.
Lol..

Show me where they dove into the neutron star other than them being caught in the gravity quake as was explicitly shown on panel..

Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm

Read these scans and educate yourself fool.

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/lgunibrow88/Nova/Post%20Annihilaton/EP/Novav407m.jpg
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/lgunibrow88/Nova/Post%20Annihilaton/EP/Novav407n.jpg

Who's complaining about being compressed and who are completely fine?

Hmm. I'm going to go ahead and ask that you refrain from hostility. I am not the cause of your frustration. I think what happened was your realization that Nova indeed performed an impressive feat of speed and durability which you initially down played. Another poster did you a favor by giving you the correct interpretatoin of what actually occurred. None of that is my fault. I weighed in on the matter because instead of being contrite, you remained defiant in the face of truth.

So no, what Nova did was not simply open a stargate via some sort of automatic power, although he can do that as well. The unimaginable physical feat he performed on the neutron start was not remotely akin to "Iceman freezing water." There is no other way to put it other than that you are wrong. Calling people "noobs" and "d__ riders" and calling for help are not proper reactions. You should probably rethink your approach.

Finally, you didn't respond to the point that Gamora was injured when she was came within close proximity with a star. An incredible feat of durability which pales in comparison with the aforementioned durability feat by Nova.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/0/2532/2433406-tumblr_lkyihpknan1qbok6ko1_500.jpg

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Hmm. I'm going to go ahead and ask that you refrain from hostility. I am not the cause of your frustration. I think what happened was your realization that Nova indeed performed an impressive feat of speed and durability which you initially down played. Another poster did you a favor by giving you the correct interpretatoin of what actually occurred. None of that is my fault. I weighed in on the matter because instead of being contrite, you remained defiant in the face of truth.

So no, what Nova did was not simply open a stargate via some sort of automatic power, although he can do that as well. The unimaginable physical feat he performed on the neutron start was not remotely akin to "Iceman freezing water." There is no other way to put it other than that you are wrong. Calling people "noobs" and "d__ riders" and calling for help are not proper reactions. You should probably rethink your approach.

Finally, you didn't respond to the point that Gamora was injured when she was came within close proximity with a star. An incredible feat of durability which pales in comparison with the aforementioned durability feat by Nova.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/0/2532/2433406-tumblr_lkyihpknan1qbok6ko1_500.jpg

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol..

Show me where they dove into the neutron star other than them being caught in the gravity quake as was explicitly shown on panel..
They certainly entered the gravity well which was compressing rider.Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Hmm. I'm going to go ahead and ask that you refrain from hostility. I am not the cause of your frustration. I think what happened was your realization that Nova indeed performed an impressive feat of speed and durability which you initially down played. Another poster did you a favor by giving you the correct interpretatoin of what actually occurred. None of that is my fault. I weighed in on the matter because instead of being contrite, you remained defiant in the face of truth.

So no, what Nova did was not simply open a stargate via some sort of automatic power, although he can do that as well. The unimaginable physical feat he performed on the neutron start was not remotely akin to "Iceman freezing water." There is no other way to put it other than that you are wrong. Calling people "noobs" and "d__ riders" and calling for help are not proper reactions. You should probably rethink your approach.

Finally, you didn't respond to the point that Gamora was injured when she was came within close proximity with a star. An incredible feat of durability which pales in comparison with the aforementioned durability feat by Nova.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/0/2532/2433406-tumblr_lkyihpknan1qbok6ko1_500.jpg
Heat=/=gravity. Basic science kid. Rider just manipulated the gravity of the neutron star, there was nothing physical about it.

Superman wins.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They certainly entered the gravity well which was compressing rider.
Heat=/=gravity. Basic science kid. Rider just manipulated the gravity of the neutron star, there was nothing physical about it.

There is NOTHING that says he manipulated the gravity, Mr. "Prove It." I can't do anything about your denial. You have to want the help. Don't cry to other posters or hit the report button when you continue to drop turd responses like this.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
There is NOTHING that says he manipulated the gravity, Mr. "Prove It." I can't do anything about your denial. You have to want the help. Don't cry to other posters or hit the report button when you continue to drop turd responses like this.
So you can't even read properly?

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/lgunibrow88/Nova/Post%20Annihilaton/EP/Novav407k.jpg

What is world mind talking about there?

Originally posted by abhilegend
They certainly entered the gravity well which was compressing rider.
Even if ure given that (which they didn't), they did not endure the same thing. We clearly see a depiction of Rider pretty much making impact with the neutron star's surface. He had to bend the abnormal gravity by diving into it.

All they experienced was the gravity quake as was mentioned by Drax. They were no where near the neutron star's surface.

I swear with you it's like talking to 2 yr old.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you can't even read properly?

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/lgunibrow88/Nova/Post%20Annihilaton/EP/Novav407k.jpg

What is world mind talking about there?

Sure I can, can you?

Worldmine- "Richard, you need to focus your power reserves and fly into it."

When asked by Richard why he wouldn't be crushed, he didn't offer up a super power based solution, he said this: "If I calculate your velocity accuratey, you will bend the star's abnormal gravity and cause a wormhole effect.

He is clearly describing a physical process. Notice his use of the word "if", the implication being that if he does not calculate Richard's velocity correctly, the process would not work.

Finally, the last caption tells us per the Worldmine that he has no choice but to enter the abnormal neutron star to create a hyper-gravimetric wormhole in order to escape to the outside universe. This is significant because you started off arguing that Rider simply opened wormhole which is part of his base power set as Nova Prime, which in fact it is. You went on to say that this act was no different than Icemen frezing water, which is like the difference between lifting a cat and living an aircraft carrier.

But this scene shows that he could not use his normal power to open a wormhole due to the abnormality of the neutron star. Missing that fact made you misinterpret the entire scene...again. Rider did not use any sort of auto power to negate the effects of the neutron star, he used incredible velocity to bend the gravity, making it an unimaginable physical act. Superman-ish if you will.

So technically, you are correct in that he did manipulate the gravity, but not in the manner in which you are implying in an effort to downgrade the act. You are clearly suggesting that he affected the neutron star directly with gravimetric super power- he didn't, and Worldmine explained the process clearly. Everyone else had gotten it.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Even if ure given that (which they didn't), they did not endure the same thing. We clearly see a depiction of Rider pretty much making impact with the neutron star's surface. He had to bend the abnormal gravity by diving into it.

All they experienced was the gravity quake as was mentioned by Drax. They were no where near the neutron star's surface.

I swear with you it's like talking to 2 yr old.
Who said you can give me something. It was written in plain words.

That was the wormhole making the star material fly. Notice how Rider escapes with none of the star material in his wake which would've been carried away with him in the wormhole if he struck the surface.

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/lgunibrow88/Nova/Post%20Annihilaton/EP/Novav407o.jpgOriginally posted by Blue Area Vet
Sure I can, can you?

Worldmine- "Richard, you need to focus your power reserves and fly into it."

When asked by Richard why he wouldn't be crushed, he didn't offer up a super power based solution, he said this: "If I calculate your velocity accuratey, you will bend the star's abnormal gravity and cause a wormhole effect.

He is clearly describing a physical process. Notice his use of the word "if", the implication being that if he does not calculate Richard's velocity correctly, the process would not work.

Finally, the last caption tells us per the Worldmine that he has no choice but to enter the abnormal neutron star to create a hyper-gravimetric wormhole in order to escape to the outside universe. This is significant because you started off arguing that Rider simply opened wormhole which is part of his base power set as Nova Prime, which in fact it is. You went on to say that this act was no different than Icemen frezing water, which is like the difference between lifting a cat and living an aircraft carrier.

But this scene shows that he could not use his normal power to open a wormhole due to the abnormality of the neutron star. Missing that fact made you misinterpret the entire scene...again. Rider did not use any sort of auto power to negate the effects of the neutron star, he used incredible velocity to bend the gravity, making it an unimaginable physical act. Superman-ish if you will.

So technically, you are correct in that he did manipulate the gravity, but not in the manner in which you are implying in an effort to downgrade the act. You are clearly suggesting that he affected the neutron star directly with gravimetric super power- he didn't, and Worldmine explained the process clearly. Everyone else had gotten it.
You mean bending and manipulating gravity isn't...................manipulating gravity as you told me here?
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
There is NOTHING that says he manipulated the gravity, Mr. "Prove It."
Stick to one theory kid.

Just answer this, why was there no star material here when Rider emerged from the wormhole.

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/lgunibrow88/Nova/Post%20Annihilaton/EP/Novav407o.jpg

Surely if nova had created a wormhole by striking with the surface of the star, he would have carried some star material with him. Right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who said you can give me something. It was written in plain words.

That was the wormhole making the star material fly. Notice how Rider escapes with none of the star material in his wake which would've been carried away with him in the wormhole if he struck the surface.

What was written in plain words? That he started a gravity quake that caught Drax and Gams which was shown through illustration?


Lol on ure conjecture that star material has to be carried away with him. This is comics bro.. It don't always work that way. First of all he induced what Worldmind described as a hyper-gravimetric wormhole and not one of his usual stargates (usually in a more controlled environment).
Second, from ure scan he was thrown so far away from everything else which shows the randomness of that hyper-gravimetric wormhole's effects. For all we know star material (if there were even any carried away) got flung all over the place.
How the heck can you apply faulty logic to suit ure argument?

Grasping at straws bud....

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who said you can give me something. It was written in plain words.

That was the wormhole making the star material fly. Notice how Rider escapes with none of the star material in his wake which would've been carried away with him in the wormhole if he struck the surface.

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/lgunibrow88/Nova/Post%20Annihilaton/EP/Novav407o.jpg
You mean bending and manipulating gravity isn't...................manipulating gravity as you told me here?

Stick to one theory kid.

Just answer this, why was there no star material here when Rider emerged from the wormhole.

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/lgunibrow88/Nova/Post%20Annihilaton/EP/Novav407o.jpg

Surely if nova had created a wormhole by striking with the surface of the star, he would have carried some star material with him. Right?

Star material

Do you have any clue how ridiculous you proposal it? You are weighing the absence of "star material" over a detailed explanation of what occured on panel, in the panel. Grasping at straws is not a strong enough term to describe what you are doing. Again, everyone but you appears to be clear on what actually happened in the story. Live with that.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
What was written in plain words? That he started a gravity quake that caught Drax and Gams which was shown through illustration?


Lol on ure conjecture that star material has to be carried away with him. This is comics bro.. It don't always work that way. First of all he induced what Worldmind described as a hyper-gravimetric wormhole and not one of his usual stargates (usually in a more controlled environment).
Second, from ure scan he was thrown so far away from everything else which shows the randomness of that hyper-gravimetric wormhole's effects. For all we know star material (if there were even any carried away) got flung all over the place.
How the heck can you apply faulty logic to suit ure argument?

Grasping at straws bud....
That he was getting compressed in the gravity well but Drax and Gamora weren't.

Of course, you are using the same star material being tossed at Drax and Gamora as a proof that Rider collided with the surface but when it came to rider actually carrying that material in his wake as he should've done, the same physics gets tossed out of the window. Nice reasoning there dick rider.

facepalm
Do you know how wormholes work? Its a tear in the space-time which connects two points in space, there is no distance between the star and the place rider emerged. Its not a hyperspace journey.

That's what you're doing.Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Star material

Do you have any clue how ridiculous you proposal it? You are weighing the absence of "star material" over a detailed explanation of what occured on panel, in the panel. Grasping at straws is not a strong enough term to describe what you are doing. Again, everyone but you appears to be clear on what actually happened in the story. Live with that. Well its certainly not more ridiculous than you not being able to read properly.

Do you have anything constructive to say here? If not, shut up.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That he was getting compressed in the gravity well but Drax and Gamora weren't.

Of course, you are using the same star material being tossed at Drax and Gamora as a proof that Rider collided with the surface but when it came to rider actually carrying that material in his wake as he should've done, the same physics gets tossed out of the window. Nice reasoning there dick rider.

Who said star material was tossed at Drax and Gamora? Where are u getting that from?

So something always has to be carried when worm holes are involved in comics? Smh...

Like I said. This was a hyper-gravimetric worm hole that was created under abnormal circumstances. It makes your whole reasoning even more faulty. If your worm hole always followed your "worm hole protocols", then where are Drax and Gamora in your scan?

Shouldn't they be right there with Nova? Guess what? The next page shows they were flung 2 whole light years away from Rider.

Wait what is that I smell? Oh that's right! Your "worm hole protocols" going up in flames. blowup

Lol.. lol

Why don't u just describe what's on panel and not go into something even more useless to the topic at hand?

Star material? Worm hole rules? I mean come on man. U making this too easy.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

Who said star material was tossed at Drax and Gamora? Where are u getting that from?

So something always has to be carried when worm holes are involved in comics? Smh...

Like I said. This was a hyper-gravimetric worm hole that was created under abnormal circumstances. It makes your whole reasoning even more faulty. If your worm hole always followed your "worm hole protocols", then where are Drax and Gamora in your scan?

Shouldn't they be right there with Nova? Guess what? The next page shows they were flung 2 whole light years away from Rider.

Wait what is that I smell? Oh that's right! Your "worm hole protocols" going up in flames. blowup

Lol.. lol

Why don't u just describe what's on panel and not go into something even more useless to the topic at hand?

Star material? Worm hole rules? I mean come on man. U making this too easy.


Good point about Drax and Gamora being flung light years away from where Rich ended up. I had forgotten about that. In fact, next issue shows that he ended up in the RIP where time and space are destroyed, which is the opposite of the crunch, where matter and energy originate.


Abhi; This is an intervention from an E-friend... just stop bro lol...

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

Who said star material was tossed at Drax and Gamora? Where are u getting that from?

So something always has to be carried when worm holes are involved in comics? Smh...

Like I said. This was a hyper-gravimetric worm hole that was created under abnormal circumstances. It makes your whole reasoning even more faulty. If your worm hole always followed your "worm hole protocols", then where are Drax and Gamora in your scan?

Shouldn't they be right there with Nova? Guess what? The next page shows they were flung 2 whole light years away from Rider.

Wait what is that I smell? Oh that's right! Your "worm hole protocols" going up in flames. blowup

Lol.. lol

Why don't u just describe what's on panel and not go into something even more useless to the topic at hand?

Star material? Worm hole rules? I mean come on man. U making this too easy.
Because it was showed in the scan?

When you are striking it and creating a wormhole? Yes.

They were not caught in the wormhole.

By the gravity quake.

Lulz.

I'm describing what was there on panel. Explain to me, how does creating a wormhole flings two people lightyears away?Originally posted by dmills
Good point about Drax and Gamora being flung light years away from where Rich ended up. I had forgotten about that. In fact, next issue shows that he ended up in the RIP where time and space are destroyed, which is the opposite of the crunch, where matter and energy originate.


Abhi; This is an intervention from an E-friend... just stop bro lol...
Nah bro, I'm going to see how much celey can reach. Again.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because it was showed in the scan?

When you are striking it and creating a wormhole? Yes.

They were not caught in the wormhole.

By the gravity quake.

Lulz.

I'm describing what was there on panel. Explain to me, how does creating a wormhole flings two people lightyears away?
Nah bro, I'm going to see how much celey can reach. Again.
They weren't flung 2 light years away from the vicinity of the neutron star. They were 2 light years away from Rider you foof!

All 3 basically were flung to the end of the universe. The next arc shows Drax and Gamora on the trail of Rider as he finds his way through Knowhere which is located by The Rip (edge of the universe where space-time is collapsing, also where Rider ended up). They eventually catch up to him later on.

Oh btw to answer an earlier question u posed, yeah he tanks a vortex in The Rip and survives being torn apart all at 17% capacity.
I guess Drax and Gamora could have survived the same since you seem to think they tanked that neutron star's full gravity.

You keep falling into traps of ure own making.

Keep em coming. I wonder what other ridiculous notion u'll bring up this time.

Originally posted by dmills
Good point about Drax and Gamora being flung light years away from where Rich ended up. I had forgotten about that. In fact, next issue shows that he ended up in the RIP where time and space are destroyed, which is the opposite of the crunch, where matter and energy originate.


Abhi; This is an intervention from an E-friend... just stop bro lol...
Hehehe..

Doh.. Didn't realize u edited ure post and already added infor on The Rip.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
They weren't flung 2 light years away from the vicinity of the neutron star. They were 2 light years away from Rider you foof!

All 3 basically were flung to the end of the universe. The next arc shows Drax and Gamora on the trail of Rider as he finds his way through Knowhere which is located by The Rip (edge of the universe where space-time is collapsing, also where Rider ended up). They eventually catch up to him later on.

Oh btw to answer an earlier question u posed, yeah he tanks a vortex in The Rip and survives being torn apart all at 17% capacity.
I guess Drax and Gamora could have survived the same since you seem to think they tanked that neutron star's full gravity.

You keep falling into traps of ure own making.

Keep em coming. I wonder what other ridiculous notion u'll bring up this time.
Why don't you post the scan for everybody to see what happened there? So they were near enough to be caught in the wormhole effect?

That is all good and dandy but how does that proves that Drax and Gamora were not near the star or how does that prove that Rider struck the star?

Good for him I guess. Without any comparison from a character, its meaningless.

That's just funny. Foof.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Nah bro, I'm going to see how much celey can reach. Again.



You know, it takes more than a "kid" to admit that they are wrong. Remaining stubborn and calling people names speaks volumes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why don't you post the scan for everybody to see what happened there? So they were near enough to be caught in the wormhole effect?

That is all good and dandy but how does that proves that Drax and Gamora were not near the star or how does that prove that Rider struck the star?

Good for him I guess. Without any comparison from a character, its meaningless.

That's just funny. Foof.
You know when I start posting scans u'll feel that much dumber right?

Why don't you just take my word for it.? I'm not in the habit of misinterpreting feats unlike some others.. shifty

Fine when I get home, Ill post some for ya..

Ugh. My general ambivalence towards this forum is on the verge of becoming complete, permanent antipathy... It exceeds the limits of my medication...



Pretty sure I have a scan or two of the combined allied forces of the galaxy trying to bust through that Phalanx barrier, then Nova shows up like a boss with the solution carrying Gamora and Drax in tow, protected by his gravimetric field from the stargate jump and from the overall effects of being in vacuum. Normally they'd need special suits.

Also pretty sure Nova had Gamora dead to rights in his weakened condition. Could've blown her head clean off if he wanted to. They aren't on his level. They didn't tank the same forces at all.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet


You know, it takes more than a "kid" to admit that they are wrong. Remaining stubborn and calling people names speaks volumes.
Post some more smilies kid. That would work.Originally posted by celeyhyga17
You know when I start posting scans u'll feel that much dumber right?

Why don't you just take my word for it.? I'm not in the habit of misinterpreting feats unlike some others.. shifty

Fine when I get home, Ill post some for ya..
Then post it.

Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiight.

Where are you atm?

Originally posted by dmills
Ugh. My general ambivalence towards this forum is on the verge of becoming complete, permanent antipathy... It exceeds the limits of my medication...

Pretty sure I have a scan or two of the combined allied forces of the galaxy trying to bust through that Phalanx barrier, then Nova shows up like a boss with the solution carrying Gamora and Drax in tow, protected by his gravimetric field from the stargate jump and from the overall effects of being in vacuum. Normally they'd need special suits.

Also pretty sure Nova had Gamora dead to rights in his weakened condition. Could've blown her head clean off if he wanted to. They aren't on his level.


Abhi...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Post some more smilies kid. That would work.
Then post it.

Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiight.

Where are you atm?
At work. Where else?

Originally posted by dmills
Ugh. My general ambivalence towards this forum is on the verge of becoming complete, permanent antipathy... It exceeds the limits of my medication...



Pretty sure I have a scan or two of the combined allied forces of the galaxy trying to bust through that Phalanx barrier, then Nova shows up like a boss with the solution carrying Gamora and Drax in tow, protected by his gravimetric field from the stargate jump and from the overall effects of being in vacuum. Normally they'd need special suits.

Also pretty sure Nova had Gamora dead to rights in his weakened condition. Could've blown her head clean off if he wanted to. They aren't on his level. They didn't tank the same forces at all.
u no you lob us!!111111

Originally posted by celeyhyga17


Abhi...


Hey "Celey", I'm manipulating (bending) this paper clip right now. Whooohoooo!!

Originally posted by abhilegend
u no you lob us!!111111

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Hey "Celey", I'm manipulating (bending) this paper clip right now. Whooohoooo!!
lol

U @$$..

Most of this was already in the respect thread.

Rider streaks way past them and dive bombs into the neutron star. His energy streak is a clear indicator of him basically hitting the star. Notice the streak and the disturbance he caused in respect to the outline of the neutron star's surface.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_029.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_031.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_032.jpg

This is where Draxa and Gamora ended up. 2 frikkin light years away which completely obliterates ure notion of the gravity quake pushing them away and not being caught by the worm hole. Notice Drax even says "that idiot dragged us with him"...
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Even%20more%20Nova/Novav4007pg024_zpscdd1b24d.jpg

Very next issue shows where he ended up. At the Rip! Survives at 17% capacity.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novarip.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novarip1.jpg

Superman.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Most of this was already in the respect thread.

Rider streaks way past them and dive bombs into the neutron star. His energy streak is a clear indicator of him basically hitting the star. Notice the streak and the disturbance he caused in respect to the outline of the neutron star's surface.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_029.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_031.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_032.jpg

This is where Draxa and Gamora ended up. 2 frikkin light years away which completely obliterates ure notion of the gravity quake pushing them away and not being caught by the worm hole. Notice Drax even says "that idiot dragged us with him"...
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Even%20more%20Nova/Novav4007pg024_zpscdd1b24d.jpg

Very next issue shows where he ended up. At the Rip! Survives at 17% capacity.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novarip.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novarip1.jpg

Apparently, they were surprised to be alive.

tlTSXr4PfSg

Insane that something so relatively small is one of the most frighteningly powerful forces in the known universe.