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Both sides get 1 year prep, who wins?

Team two, but only because Johnny and Doom couldn't resist betraying each other.

Constantine solos.

John Constantine

Team 2, Reed ownz them.

Bump

Constantine. Magic> science.

Team 2.

Why, my friend and colleague?

Is this your usual trap, rapeset?

Traps are for amateurs.

If I want you, I'm gonna have you.

Originally posted by Mindset
Traps are for amateurs.

If I want you, I'm gonna have you.


Back on topic, Team 2 mainly because of Reed.

Originally posted by zopzop


Back on topic, Team 2 mainly because of Reed.

I think john is more cunning than reed. Doom likely cancels out reed but constantine craps all over luthor.

Team 2... but just barely.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I think john is more cunning than reed. Doom likely cancels out reed but constantine craps all over luthor.

Team 1.

Team 1. They are smarter where it counts. Constantine would probably talk Reed into building a super weapon for him.

Team 2 wins...

NO ONE can defeat a determined Reed Richards...

Except Doom.

Originally posted by Mindset
Except Doom.

Nope...

In the Council of Reeds storyline,a non-BS'ing Reed owned the daylights out of Doom...

Reed is Dooms superior; Doom is only competitive because Reed typically self-checks himself while Doom acts without restraint...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Nope...

In the Council of Reeds storyline,a non-BS'ing Reed owned the daylights out of Doom...

Reed is Dooms superior; Doom is only competitive because Reed typically self-checks himself while Doom acts without restraint... Yup.

Doom acts with restraint.

A non-bs'ing Doom would own any Reed with his magic+tech.

Reed is only competitive with Doom because Doom plays around with him.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Team 2 wins...

NO ONE can defeat a determined Reed Richards...

Constantine beats beings of higher tier without the aid of uber tech. He'll con Reed into building something for him and then take his wife.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yup.

Doom acts with restraint.

A non-bs'ing Doom would own any Reed with his magic+tech.

Reed is only competitive with Doom because Doom plays around with him.

Bull...

Wait until I find that scan of Reed putting the brain whammy on Doom and what he has to say to Doom while doing it to him...

Wait until I find the whole story arcs of Doom outclassing Reed then losing because of the classic, I'm a villain so I'm going to underestimate you until I've been beaten trope.

Originally posted by Mindset
Wait until I find the whole story arcs of Doom outclassing Reed then losing because of the classic, I'm a villain so I'm going to underestimate you until I've been beaten trope.

Reed was in "good guy" mode in every single one of those; he was self checking...

In the scan (I know zopzop has it...I will get it from him) Reed says something to the effect of "I always could have owned you" and brain whammy's Doom into complete helplessness...

He had a dog colar around Dooms neck...LoL!!

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Reed was in "good guy" mode in every single one of those; he was self checking...

In the scan (I know zopzop has it...I will get it from him) Reed says something to the effect of "I always could have owned you" and brain whammy's Doom into complete helplessness...

He had a dog colar around Dooms neck...LoL!! And Doom self checks by not just killing outright killing Reed.

Doom has said pretty much the same thing to Reed.

Doom trapped Reed in his suit and Reed didn't know how to get out....LoL!!

I don't know how you don't get that they are essentially the same person but different sides of the coin.

Originally posted by Mindset
And Doom self checks by not just killing outright killing Reed.

Doom has said pretty much the same thing to Reed.

Doom trapped Reed in his suit and Reed didn't know how to get out....LoL!!

I don't know how you don't get that they are essentially the same person but different sides of the coin.

Yeah, but Reed is just a step better than Doom...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Reed was in "good guy" mode in every single one of those; he was self checking...

In the scan (I know zopzop has it...I will get it from him) Reed says something to the effect of "I always could have owned you" and brain whammy's Doom into complete helplessness...

He had a dog colar around Dooms neck...LoL!!
Ask and ye shall receive LoM!
http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wordpress/2011/09/30/the-battle-is-over-but-the-war-ff9-review/
http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Dooms-Dumbassery.jpg

F Doom.

The comics have shown consistently that Reed and Doom are equals with Reed having a slight edge in raw intellect, but Doom edging him out due to being more creative and imaginative. Doom has beaten Reed or outright trumped him - numerous times - and Reed has wound up foiling Doom's plans as well.

Doom certainly does act with restraint and his own form of "CIS", as evidenced by every time he could have easily killed the F4 - or other superheroes/beings - and chooses not to because it goes against his self imposed code of conduct or plans he has in motion.

I mean, their entire rivalry is a series of one-up one another and being consistently referred to as equals.

Originally posted by zopzop
Ask and ye shall receive LoM!
http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wordpress/2011/09/30/the-battle-is-over-but-the-war-ff9-review/
http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Dooms-Dumbassery.jpg

F Doom.

Thanx zop!

Doom....PWNED by Reed Richards!

The same Reed who got wasted fighting the Celestials whereas Doom survived them trying to eliminate him?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The same Reed who got wasted fighting the Celestials whereas Doom survived them trying to eliminate him?

Forget the Celestials...

Non-BS'ing Reed vs Doom; the above scan shows you Reeds superiority over Doom very clearly...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Forget the Celestials...

Non-BS'ing Reed vs Doom; the above scan shows you Reeds superiority over Doom very clearly...

So a non 616 Reed managed to score a win on Doom. Cool.

Doom meanwhile, habitually stalemates or has 616 Richards and his entire family at his mercy.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So a non 616 Reed managed to score a win on Doom. Cool.

Doom meanwhile, habitually stalemates or has 616 Richards and his entire family at his mercy.
EVERY Reed in EVERY alt reality OWNING EVERY alt version of Doom he came across.

When the gloves are off, Doom is outclassed by Reed.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So a non 616 Reed managed to score a win on Doom. Cool.

Doom meanwhile, habitually stalemates or has 616 Richards and his entire family at his mercy.

Reed is in" good guy" mode when Doom manages to edge him out...

Reed in "I aint taking s**t" mode completely owns Doom...

Originally posted by zopzop
EVERY Reed in EVERY alt reality OWNING EVERY alt version of Doom he came across.

When the gloves are off, Doom is outclassed by Reed.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The comics have shown consistently that Reed and Doom are equals with Reed having a slight edge in raw intellect, but Doom edging him out due to being more creative and imaginative. Doom has beaten Reed or outright trumped him - numerous times - and Reed has wound up foiling Doom's plans as well.

Doom certainly does act with restraint and his own form of "CIS", as evidenced by every time he could have easily killed the F4 - or other superheroes/beings - and chooses not to because it goes against his self imposed code of conduct or plans he has in motion.

I mean, their entire rivalry is a series of one-up one another and being consistently referred to as equals. Don't bother with them, they obviously have girl brains and can't understand the stories.

Reed should have "taken off the kid gloves" when it came to curing Ben Grimm. baka

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Reed should have "taken off the kid gloves" when it came to curing Ben Grimm. baka
Why? Maybe subconsciously he doesn't want to. As it was shown in the "Alien Entity" storyline, it was God aka Reed that gifted the FF with their powers.

Why would he want to "cure" something he willed to happen?

Reed should have "taken off the kid gloves" when Doom raped him his entire family.

Originally posted by zopzop
Why? Maybe subconsciously he doesn't want to. As it was shown in the "Alien Entity" storyline, it was God aka Reed that gifted the FF with their powers.

Why would he want to "cure" something he willed to happen?

So basically, you're arguing that Reed, if he stopped giving a shit and wasn't shacked with morality and his family and basically became someone who isn't Reed Richards, he would beat Doom...whom, I'm guessing would still be normal Doom with restraint and being in character and all that?

Originally posted by Mindset
Don't bother with them, they obviously have girl brains and can't understand the stories.

You are obviously gh@y f@g who cant accept that Reed owns your boyfriend like a 2 cent wh0r3 when the gloves are off...

Cheers!

Originally posted by Mindset
Reed should have "taken off the kid gloves" when Doom raped him his entire family.

It's going to get to the point where Reed is basically going to be treated like Hulk or Superman and that every time he lost or was outsmarted, he was "holding back".

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
You are obviously gh@y f@g who cant accept that Reed owns your boyfriend like a 2 cent wh0r3 when the gloves are off...

Cheers!

Your jimmies seem rustled.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
You are obviously gh@y f@g who cant accept that Reed owns your boyfriend like a 2 cent wh0r3 when the gloves are off...

Cheers!



http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss225/OdinBorson/DoomLOL.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
As it was shown in the "Alien Entity" storyline, it was God aka Reed that gifted the FF with their powers.

Originally posted by Mindset
Your jimmies seem rustled.

Your balls have fallen off; those constant head jobs you've recieved from Doom have taken their toll...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's going to get to the point where Reed is basically going to be treated like Hulk or Superman and that every time he lost or was outsmarted, he was "holding back". Bloodlusted Superman and When the gloves are off Reed...unbeatable.

If we're using single arcs that have since been disregarded and not indication of the norm for character depiction, I see your Alien Entity arc Reed and raise you Marquis of Death Doom.

Gg.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So basically, you're arguing that Reed, if he stopped giving a shit and wasn't shacked with morality and his family and basically became someone who isn't Reed Richards, he would beat Doom...whom, I'm guessing would still be normal Doom with restraint and being in character and all that?
That's now what I'm saying at all.

People sometimes bring up the whole "cure Ben Grimm" thing as a con vs Reed but I was merely pointing out, HE WILLED IT TO HAPPEN when he was helping create the UNIVERSE with the Alien Entity.

Why would he want to "cure" a condition he inflicted on his friend?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Your balls have fallen off; those constant head jobs you've recieved from Doom have taken their toll... Shhh, no tears, only dreams now.

Your dream of Reed beating Doom.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If we're using single arcs that have since been disregarded and not indication of the norm for character depiction, I see your Alien Entity arc Reed and raise you Marquis of Death Doom.

Gg.
And I'll see you that and bring up the 'rewriting the multiverse" with the UN that Reed did.

@ TheLordofMurder
Dude don't get upset. Mindset is just kidding around. He's mostly harmless, well except for the rapes........

Originally posted by zopzop
That's now what I'm saying at all.

People sometimes bring up the whole "cure Ben Grimm" thing as a con vs Reed but I was merely pointing out, HE WILLED IT TO HAPPEN when he was helping create the UNIVERSE with the Alien Entity.

Why would he want to "cure" a condition he inflicted on his friend?

So, basically, what you're saying is that Reed is a complete tool.

We already knew that.

Originally posted by zopzop
Ask and ye shall receive LoM!
http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wordpress/2011/09/30/the-battle-is-over-but-the-war-ff9-review/
http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Dooms-Dumbassery.jpg

F Doom.

I think you meant to post one of your own posts to give a thumbs up there.

Originally posted by zopzop
And I'll see you that and bring up the 'rewriting the multiverse" with the UN that Reed did.

@ TheLordofMurder
Dude don't get upset. Mindset is just kidding around. He's mostly harmless, well except for the rapes........

Oh, I'm cool...just having a laugh on him and his significant other...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I think you meant to post one of your own posts to give a thumbs up there. Or one of mine.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I think you meant to post one of your own posts to give a thumbs up there.

Nope...I gave a thumb up to the right post!

But, yeah, all joking and nonsense aside, I really don't see how anyone can legitimately argue Reed being decisively > Doom when their entire history suggests anything but as a whole.

And if we're going the whole "Well, Reed without restraints, CIS, morality, etc" aka Reed that doesn't exist, we may as well just use Secret Wars Doom who outwills the most powerful entity in Marvel at the time.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Oh, I'm cool...just having a laugh on him and his significant other...

It's always fun yo laugh at ourselves, glad to see you're able to do that.

I'll bring some wine when I rape you later tonight.

I think we're all clearly missing the point here that Constantine just kicks Reed and Lex in the nuts, calls them a name and wins through sheer awesomeness.

Yeah, Reed got screwed with the lamest guy here as his partner.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, Reed got screwed with the lamest guy here as his partner.

I dont know...

I never used to like Lex, but since playing DCU Online and being witness to the Brainiac/Future Lex/Future Batman storyline...I now have a newfound respect for Lex Luthor.

Lex Luthor is legit...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
But, yeah, all joking and nonsense aside, I really don't see how anyone can legitimately argue Reed being decisively > Doom when their entire history suggests anything but as a whole.

And if we're going the whole "Well, Reed without restraints, CIS, morality, etc" aka Reed that doesn't exist, we may as well just use Secret Wars Doom who outwills the most powerful entity in Marvel at the time.
I agree that arguments can be made both ways but to say that either one is decisively superior to the other is clearly biased .

Well, the Reeds of the Council were more or less an example of that exact type of Reed . And it was a Council Reed that temporarily subdued Doom as well in that instance . Although Doom's survival against the Mad Celestials as opposed to his captor Reed's demise can be seen as Hickman evening out the scales a bit .

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I dont know...

I never used to like Lex, but since playing DCU Online and being witness to the Brainiac/Future Lex/Future Batman storyline...I now have a newfound respect for Lex Luthor.

Lex Luthor is legit...

Lex is decent as a character.

But in terms of being a "prep god" he's a very distant second or third to Reed/Doom.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I dont know...

I never used to like Lex, but since playing DCU Online and being witness to the Brainiac/Future Lex/Future Batman storyline...I now have a newfound respect for Lex Luthor.

Lex Luthor is legit... How legit?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I agree that arguments can be made both ways but to say that either one is decisively superior to the other is clearly biased .

Well, the Reeds of the Council were more or less an example of that exact type of Reed . And it was a Council Reed that temporarily subdued Doom as well in that instance . Although Doom's survival against the Mad Celestials as opposed to his captor Reed's demise can be seen as Hickman evening out the scales a bit .

Exactly, which is what I've been saying.

Reed has beaten Doom. Doom has beaten Reed. And each one as a rule views the other as an equal, even if they don't like to admit. And both have had their moments where they've claimed "Oh, if I really wanted to, I could have ended you in moments" and then did something to back it up somewhat.

You're going to find more instances of Reed and Doom being viewed as equals or very close peers with the, at best, slight scientific edge to Reed than the idea of Reed being massively superior to Doom.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Exactly, which is what I've been saying.

Reed has beaten Doom. Doom has beaten Reed. And each one as a rule views the other as an equal, even if they don't like to admit. And both have had their moments where they've claimed "Oh, if I really wanted to, I could have ended you in moments" and then did something to back it up somewhat.

You're going to find more instances of Reed and Doom being viewed as equals or very close peers with the, at best, slight scientific edge to Reed than the idea of Reed being massively superior to Doom.


Like all other characters both Reed and Doom have had their ups and downs, and once one evens out the scales we get peers rather than one much greater than the other .

Reed VS Doom is like Tiger VS Lion . Tis a debate which can never be truly resolved since both these guys are so evenly matched in the intellectual/prep departments . I concur that to say that one being massively superior to the other reeks of fanboy faith .

And that ladies and gentlemen is the Final Truth .

A tiger owns a lion. mmm

Originally posted by Mindset
A tiger owns a lion. mmm
Reed is the tiger .

And Doom is Doom.

Doom > Tiger

mhmm

Originally posted by Mindset
And Doom is Doom.

Doom > Tiger

mhmm
mhmm

Originally posted by Mindset
How legit?

jEUQUFvuV6I

Team 1 owns. The magic knowledge of Doom and Constantine combined? With their morals?

I'm going to post this post again from a Thanos vs Constantine thread, because I think it sums up Constantine PERFECTLY.



In other words, Constantine is a prep god.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
jEUQUFvuV6I

Thank you, I was waiting for this all day.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I'm going to post this post again from a Thanos vs Constantine thread, because I think it sums up Constantine PERFECTLY.



In other words, Constantine is a prep god.

Constantine is one of my favorite characters, top 5 or 10.

Originally posted by Mindset
A tiger owns a lion. mmm When it comes to Doom, analogies like this are unnecessary. Doom owned a lion already:
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Reed Richards win.
Because he's Reed Richards. It doesn't need much explanations I believe.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Reed Richards win.
Because he's Reed Richards. It doesn't need much explanations I believe.

Pray, do tell..

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Pray, do tell..

He's Reed Richards. There.

Except Doom wins, you fanboy.

My opinion is unbiased and right.

Originally posted by Mindset
Except Doom wins, you fanboy.

My opinion is unbiased and right.

He'd win, if it wasn't of Reed Richards.
Richards is what Doom would be if he wasn't an egostical moron.

Reed owns him. Deal with it.

Reed puts his own penis in his bum.

I'd hardly call that a winner

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Reed puts his own penis in his bum.

I'd hardly call that a winner

He could, but he prefer put it between his wife's.

Another point for Richards.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
He could, but he prefer put it between his wife's.

Another point for Richards. How is he putting it in Sue when she's down in Atlantis getting pounded?

Susan's vag has been Doomed before, let's be honest.

Also Panther'd for that matter.

Basically, Sue doesn't know who the father of her kids are.

They're Johnny's.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank


They're Johnny's.

I was thinking Thing's.

The sick thing is that Reed has filmed it for "science".

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
He could, but he prefer put it between his wife's.

Another point for Richards. If anything, he'd prefer to put it in a piece of tech

Reed jams his dick in his latest "hope this doesn't kill my entire family" device and then jams that up his anus.

Originally posted by Mindset
How is he putting it in Sue when she's down in Atlantis getting pounded?

Namor is the kind of dude so PIMP that he's not affraid to sport what one might called the stupidest costume ever, this side of Aquaman.

And even with that much of pimping, Sue always come back to Reed. Even after all the shit Reed did. This must be taken as a proof of how much he's effective with his 20 inches wang.

On the other side of the spectrum, Doom's only partner is his ego.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Susan's vag has been Doomed before, let's be honest.

Also Panther'd for that matter.

Kinda hard with the steel jock-strap.
As for Panther... Why would she do him, when she's married to a God?

Namor sent Sue back to Reed after he had passed her around Atlantis a couple times.

Originally posted by Mindset
Namor sent Sue back to Reed after he had passed her around Atlantis a couple times.

Namor wouldn't be able to handle Sue

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Kinda hard with the steel jock-strap.
As for Panther... Why would she do him, when she's married to a God?

Didn't stop Doom from sexing Wanda. Or Morgan Le Fay.

He's black. Next question.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Didn't stop Doom from sexing Wanda. Or Morgan Le Fay.

He's black. Next question.

Wanda was mentally disabled at the time. What a man.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Namor wouldn't be able to handle Sue She handled his schlong.

Canon.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Wanda was mentally disabled at the time. What a man. Of course she was mentally disabled, she's a woman.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Wanda was mentally disabled at the time. What a man.

She didn't remember who she was or her powers. She wasn't functionally retarded.

Doom's more of a ladies' man than Reed ever will be.

A Doom/Constantine crossover would be epic.

Originally posted by Golgo13
A Doom/Constantine crossover would be epic.

No, because Doom would kill him right in his shoes. Just before Reed come to beat the shit out of Doom.

Hahahaha you so funny.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Doom's more of a ladies' man than Reed ever will be.
Reed definitely isn't, as Emma Frost can attest to that :
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsdhb9KGqi1qzidaoo1_500.jpg

Constantine is both a ladies' and a man's man....

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Reed definitely isn't, as Emma Frost can attest to that :
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsdhb9KGqi1qzidaoo1_500.jpg


At the same time, we're talking about a gal who went to bed with Shaw, and is in couple with Cyclops.

She's obsiously second on the list of Namor (behind Sue), and Sue is clearly in(to) Reed's pocket.

The point is: Emma never saw Reed with his pants down.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank


They're Johnny's.
I see where George RR Martin got his inspiration for Lannister incest storyine.