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Akhenaten had vast powers with the HOTI...but, he didn't absorb its complete power the way Thanos did.

Is there anything or any being in Marvel...below a holder of the HOTI that could defeat Akhenaten in Marvel's: The End?

He can't take down the entire Marvel continuum.

Pre retcon Beyonder
Pre retcon Molecule Man
Protege

Originally posted by complexbrother
Pre retcon Beyonder
Pre retcon Molecule Man
Protege



Of course Beyonder...not sure about MM....I doubt Protege could

LT

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Of course Beyonder...not sure about MM....I doubt Protege could

Protege or PR MM could.

I don't remember Akhenaten showing anything at or beyond universal reality warping.

Or am I wrong?

Originally posted by Mindset
I don't remember Akhenaten showing anything at or beyond universal reality warping.

Or am I wrong? You are always wrong why would now be any different?

My thoughts exactly.

Originally posted by iceman24567
You are always wrong why would now be any different? You're always right.

Wait, if I'm always wrong that means...

The most impressive thing Akhenaten did was one-shot the Skyfathers.

Originally posted by Mindset
You're always right.

Wait, if I'm always wrong that means...

You should have just continued that and said that if you are always wrong and you said he was always wrong before, then he is always right, but if he is always right then the statement with him saying that you are always right is actually correct and thus ..

Meh.

I don't believe Akhenaten had the complete power of the 'Heart'...he was only amped up by the Celestial Order. Still superbly powerful, but not as powerful as Thanos w/HOTU.

All I can think of is PR Beyonder.

I don't think LT stands a chance, even against a fraction of THOTI's power.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
All I can think of is PR Beyonder.

I don't think LT stands a chance, even against a fraction of THOTI's power. Because of Akhenaten amazing display of power?

Originally posted by Mindset
Because of Akhenaten amazing display of power?
No.
Because THOTI >>>>>>> LT

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
No.
Because THOTI >>>>>>> LT A fraction of HOTU has not shown to be superior than LT

Originally posted by Mindset
A fraction of HOTU has not shown to be superior than LT
Why?

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Why? Because it hasn't...

Nah. THOTI still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT

Yes, the entire amount, I agree.

A fraction of it, no.

Thanos w/ the full power of the Heart brushed Akhenaten aside with ease.

LT put up a fight.

Akhenaten stomps everything and everyone.
(only classic Beyonder/Thanos/THOTI & maybe Owen are/were above imo)

Akhenaten was raping 616 Eternity/Infinity effortlessly
he made them blind, and mind you he didn't want to hurt them.

Akhenaten warped reality 4321 & 616,
he existed in multiple points in Time,
and his sanctuary was a blending of different UniverseS.

Also, Akhenaten actually mastered the power of THOTI ... yes, mastered!

This is probably why it took Thanos/THOTI 3 attacks to finish Akhenaten,
while Thanos wipedout the LT and all of 616 combined including all of space/time,
in one move.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Akhenaten stomps everything and everyone.
(only classic Beyonder/Thanos/THOTI & maybe Owen are/were above imo)

Akhenaten was raping 616 Eternity/Infinity effortlessly
he made them blind, and mind you he didn't want to hurt them.

Akhenaten warped reality 4321 & 616,
he existed in multiple points in Time,
and his sanctuary was a blending of different UniverseS.

Also, Akhenaten actually mastered the power of THOTI ... yes, mastered!

This is probably why it took Thanos/THOTI 3 attacks to finish Akhenaten,
while Thanos wipedout the LT and all of 616 combined including all of space/time,
in one move.

How was Thanos able to beat him..if they had the same power. I realize that Thanos gained the power aboard the Cosmic Order's ship...but, still...seems like Thanos would only be able to stalemate Akhenaten...if they both mastered the power.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars

How was Thanos able to beat him..if they had the same power. I realize that Thanos gained the power aboard the Cosmic Order's ship...but, still...seems like Thanos would only be able to stalemate Akhenaten...if they both mastered the power.
Akhenaten mastered the power,
but Ak was only tapping it.

Thanos didn't just master it,
Thanos became one with the power.

This is the literal reason stated on panel when they fought,
why Thanos went one notch above Ak.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Akhenaten mastered the power,
but Ak was only tapping it.

Thanos didn't just master it,
Thanos became one with the power.

This is the literal reason stated on panel when they fought,
why Thanos went one notch above Ak.


I didn't look at your heirarchy before I posted this...did you have Akhenaten listed?

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars

I didn't look at your heirarchy before I posted this...did you have Akhenaten listed?
Not in the original hierarchy I made in 06' ... (wasn't completely informed then)
but in a hierarchy list that involves all characters (like retcons/deceased etc)
Ak should always be up there near the top imo.

Haven't read the end in a bit but I wouldn't say thanos took three strikes because aks mastery made him so powerful... Insomuch that thanos may not have fully understood the scope of what he could do with the power. In the end you witness thanos slowly developing omni-...all knowing but it wasn't at once. Hence I take the argument that him not being all k owing means he wasn't also all poweful of fully in tune with the power yet.

And a bunch of cosmic cubes put eternity into a coma... So yeah....ak didn't do much more than classic ion did IMO. Ig for example. Simply saying I hve no evidence that ak was greater than lt or mjj or the fury. Above sky fathers and most abstracts but I can't agree that he is above lt

Originally posted by rotiart

Haven't read the end in a bit but I wouldn't say thanos took three strikes because aks mastery made him so powerful... Insomuch that thanos may not have fully understood the scope of what he could do with the power. In the end you witness thanos slowly developing omni-...all knowing but it wasn't at once. Hence I take the argument that him not being all k owing means he wasn't also all poweful of fully in tune with the power yet.
I disagree good friend,
Thanos was already all he could be when he battled Ak,
there's no allusion of any kind that suggests he was lacking knowledge in execution.
Originally posted by rotiart

And a bunch of cosmic cubes put eternity into a coma... So yeah....ak didn't do much more than classic ion did IMO. Ig for example. Simply saying I hve no evidence that ak was greater than lt or mjj or the fury. Above sky fathers and most abstracts but I can't agree that he is above lt
AK didn't have much feats, I only mentioned what he did,
then again, AK wasn't trying to destroy or even hurt reality,
he was actually trying to make it better. (in his own way)

AK mastered the power of TOAA (on panel and corroborated in his 06' bio)

That in itself should be reason enough.

But it also took Thanos 3 hits to win against Ak alone,
it took Thanos one to win against LT and all of 616 combined.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Akhenaten stomps everything and everyone.
(only classic Beyonder/Thanos/THOTI & maybe Owen are/were above imo)

Akhenaten was raping 616 Eternity/Infinity effortlessly
he made them blind, and mind you he didn't want to hurt them.

Akhenaten warped reality 4321 & 616,
he existed in multiple points in Time,
and his sanctuary was a blending of different UniverseS.

Also, Akhenaten actually mastered the power of THOTI ... yes, mastered!

This is probably why it took Thanos/THOTI 3 attacks to finish Akhenaten,
while Thanos wipedout the LT and all of 616 combined including all of space/time,
in one move.

Couldn't have said it better


Akhenaton wins

Originally posted by Mindset
My statement created a paradox.

Paradox > your face
fun though that was, it wasn't a paradox.

your statement could still be wrong and his be true, because you said that he was +always+ right ... didn't say that he was right in that specific instance alone.






oh and back on topic, I think Scarlet Witch could probably give him a fight.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I disagree good friend,
Thanos was already all he could be when he battled Ak,
there's no allusion of any kind that suggests he was lacking knowledge in execution.

AK didn't have much feats, I only mentioned what he did,
then again, AK wasn't trying to destroy or even hurt reality,
he was actually trying to make it better. (in his own way)

AK mastered the power of TOAA (on panel and corroborated in his 06' bio)

That in itself should be reason enough.

But it also took Thanos 3 hits to win against Ak alone,
it took Thanos one to win against LT and all of 616 combined.

Yes but my arguement goes that am never dispalued an attack against lt so it's difficult to judge his strngth there.

Also thanos fought ak first soon after receiving the power and then later fought the rest of the marvel hierarchy.

Anyways it's Saturday and I got no work til Monday. :-)

Originally posted by janus77
fun though that was, it wasn't a paradox.

your statement could still be wrong and his be true, because you said that he was +always+ right ... didn't say that he was right in that specific instance alone.

If he was always right, or wrong in this case, since per his statement I am always wrong, that would include any instance.

^
STFU.


Akhenaton still wins.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
^
STFU.


Akhenaton still wins. Reported for being an idiot.

Originally posted by Mindset
Reported for being an idiot.
fu*k off, troll

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
fu*k off, troll How does you trolling me make me a troll?

anyway:

http://telepromptedanthems.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/u-mad1.jpg

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Aww the love of brothers

Band of Brothers

Originally posted by Mr Master
???

I have no idea where you're getting any of this (true wielder) good friend.

It was Ak's coming presence
that was skewing "ALL that IS" (Eternity/Infinity) out of balance,
it was completely AK's fault why Eternity/Infinity went blind.

How you figured it was anything at all else from those scans, is beyond me.

I completely disagree.

The event that came was not the power of Ak, but the setting into motion by TOAA of events that would lead to the death of Eternity. Eternity himself states that in the past he had always seen his birth and death, but suddenly, it was like his end was ominously close.

And on top of this,
that scan has absolutely nothing to do with what you're saying.

Not even as an allusion to what you're saying.
This goes into the idea that TOAA orchestrated everything.

Ok, and again, this scan has nothing to do with AK's level of power.

This scan was meant to show that Thanos had just achieved his power and was disoriented and in pain, but still was trying to become acclimated to his power. There was a statement earlier that Thanos was fully aware or something I think.


No where, in any of those scans,
does it suggest that Thanos was disoriented while battling AK.

That is true, that is why I was trying to show the page before the one he battles Ak to show that there may have been some disorientation during the battle, and maybe that was why he didn't destroy Ak in a heartbeat, besides the argument that he was just playing with him.


Ok, but the best feat AK had was blinding the power of "ALL that IS" space/time,
and also his warping of 4321 and 616.
even assuming it was Ak, these are feats that are cube level, or at best IG level, which is still possibly LT level or lower.

Obliterating that Skyfather soul was nice,
but beans in comparison.
beans true, but one of the few feats directly stated to have been done by Ak.


Ok, true,
but this again has nothing to do with AK's level of power, or his feats afterwards.
this was meant to imply that as an agent, he was not privy to whatever the full power would be, and therefore possibly not on LT's level.


No where on panel or any Handbook is there any mention or even hint,
that that's the reason Eternity/Infinity went blind. Sorry but i generally don't use/own handbooks, so i have no idea what it says, i'm just going off the issues.

In fact, in your own scans which I have as well,
it is clearly stated by Eternity himself,
that AK is the reason behind his blindness.
In the issue Eternity speaks that with the advent, or coming or AK, he is blind to the past and future, but he states that he sees the universes death sooner than he had before. One can take this as a direct or indirect cause. And that it could be a coincidence.

You do realize the basis of my entire argument is that
Thanos with HOTI > LT
AK with HOTI < LT

just so we are clear