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The bill?s health rules will affect ?every individual in the United States? (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and ?guide? your doctor?s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, ?Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.? According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and ?learn to operate less like solo practitioners.?

Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.

New Penalties

Hospitals and doctors that are not ?meaningful users? of the new system will face penalties. ?Meaningful user? isn?t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose ?more stringent measures of meaningful use over time? (511, 518, 540-541)

What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the ?tough? decisions elected politicians won?t make.

The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle?s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept ?hopeless diagnoses? and ?forgo experimental treatments,? and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.

Elderly Hardest Hit

Daschle says health-care reform ?will not be pain free.? Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.

Your link is made of fail.



"The goal, Daschle?s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept ?hopeless diagnoses? and ?forgo experimental treatments,? and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system."

Sounds like he supports reducing costs. Awesome.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Your link is made of fail.



"The goal, Daschle?s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept ?hopeless diagnoses? and ?forgo experimental treatments,? and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system."

Sounds like he supports reducing costs. Awesome.

Saving money is worth more then a life? Awesome.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

Oh and LOL @ Obama doing anything to save money or reduce costs of anything in this country.

Originally posted by KidRock
Saving money is worth more then a life? Awesome.

So what you're saying is that you support higher prices on health care?

Originally posted by KidRock
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

Thank you.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So what you're saying is that you support higher prices on health care?





If it means better quality and more people being cured/saved/helped then of course. I like to not put a price on someones life.

Originally posted by KidRock
If it means better quality and more people being cured/saved/helped then of course.

Higher prices would mean fewer people being saved since real Americans wouldn't be able to afford it.

Originally posted by KidRock
I like to not put a price on someones life.

So now you're against capitalism?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Higher prices would mean fewer people being saved since real Americans wouldn't be able to afford it.



'real Americans'? Average income per capita in America is $47,025. If you cannot afford health care making that then you should stop buying a new cell phone every month or 10 pairs of shoes.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos


So now you're against capitalism?

How is being against the regulation of health care against capitalism?

You enjoy the government being able to view your medical records at will? Or the government saying "You have cancer? That sucks, learn to accept your gonna die of it and wont be helped." Sounds good?

NICE, just what i need. The gomment telling my Dr. how to cure me

Socialism RuUles

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Originally posted by KidRock
'real Americans'? Average income per capita in America is $47,025. If you cannot afford health care making that then you should stop buying a new cell phone every month or 10 pairs of shoes.

do you believe that the average american who makes < $50 000 a year spends more on their cell phone than medical bills, per year?

This is a great plan. Health care is prohibitively expensive as is so the treatments being removed would only benefit the rich anyway.

Originally posted by KidRock
'real Americans'? Average income per capita in America is $47,025. If you cannot afford health care making that then you should stop buying a new cell phone every month or 10 pairs of shoes.



How is being against the regulation of health care against capitalism?

You enjoy the government being able to view your medical records at will? Or the government saying "You have cancer? That sucks, learn to accept your gonna die of it and wont be helped." Sounds good?

You obviously have no idea how much healthcare costs and have never been to a hospital or dealt with an insurance company whom you have to call 40 times to get them to cover you despite the fact that you're paying them monthly and annually or that there is a loophole in the law that makes insurance companies liable for only $10,000 if you sue them or realize how much drug prices in the united states are actually gouged or know how corrupt the medical industry is or what medical underwriting is ( i.e. we're gonna deny you health insurance because you have acne and you're mom had cancer but you're not poor enough to qualify for medicare so unless you're near death you get no medical care at all) or have any concept of what the poverty line in america actually is.

Let me give you an example of how much everything costs from my own experience (this is before insurance coverage but even after, nearly $700 had to be payed out of pocket anyway).

Doctor's appointment-$100
Ultrasound-$90
Ultrasound reading-$78
Surgical Consult-$100
Staying in an outpatient surgical recovery ward for two hours and being hooked up to a saline IV-$1,200
hernia/vericocele repair surgery-$7,000
Surgeon's fee-$2,000
Anesthesia-$500
Anesthesioligist's fee-$1,500 (this is almost never covered by insurance anymore since anesthesiologists are often hired as contractors by hospitals and aren't hospital employees.
Surgical assistant's fee-$1,000
follow up care-$100
Price of prescription Percocet for recovery-$120

so if you are like the majority of the country with a combined annual income of $47,025 and like nearly half the country at this point you are uninsured either because you can't afford it or are deemed uninsurable by medical underwriters you now have a bill of nearly $14,000 that again, with the reformed bankruptcy laws can be referred to a collection agency before any of the due dates' of the bills and based on several incidents and lawsuits can then have up to 700% in penalties tacked on to it.

Wow, assume I have a regular job in america with a family and a mortgage and i got hurt. Now i'm bankrupt, homeless, and can't afford food for my family. If I had only waited until that hernia started to strangle my intestine i could have had the surgery for free with no follow up care at great risk to my life and then maybe would have to have permanent follow up care having to poop through a stoma and not have sex because gangrene had spread through my colon and testicles. Or if i'm really lucky, i could have died and my family could have collected my $60,000 life insurance policy that after legal action, the insurance company only paid $10,000 of, still leaving my family with several grand in debt due to funerary costs.

The ultimate message to Americans: If you're not at least moderately wealthy, once you can't work or are in danger of dying, go crawl somewhere and die.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
You obviously have no idea how much healthcare costs and have never been to a hospital or dealt with an insurance company whom you have to call 40 times to get them to cover you despite the fact that you're paying them monthly and annually or that there is a loophole in the law that makes insurance companies liable for only $10,000 if you sue them or realize how much drug prices in the united states are actually gouged or know how corrupt the medical industry is or what medical underwriting is ( i.e. we're gonna deny you health insurance because you have acne and you're mom had cancer but you're not poor enough to qualify for medicare so unless you're near death you get no medical care at all) or have any concept of what the poverty line in america actually is.

Let me give you an example of how much everything costs from my own experience (this is before insurance coverage but even after, nearly $700 had to be payed out of pocket anyway).

Doctor's appointment-$100
Ultrasound-$90
Ultrasound reading-$78
Surgical Consult-$100
Staying in an outpatient surgical recovery ward for two hours and being hooked up to a saline IV-$1,200
hernia/vericocele repair surgery-$7,000
Surgeon's fee-$2,000
Anesthesia-$500
Anesthesioligist's fee-$1,500 (this is almost never covered by insurance anymore since anesthesiologists are often hired as contractors by hospitals and aren't hospital employees.
Surgical assistant's fee-$1,000
follow up care-$100
Price of prescription Percocet for recovery-$120

so if you are like the majority of the country with a combined annual income of $47,025 and like nearly half the country at this point you are uninsured either because you can't afford it or are deemed uninsurable by medical underwriters you now have a bill of nearly $14,000 that again, with the reformed bankruptcy laws can be referred to a collection agency before any of the due dates' of the bills and based on several incidents and lawsuits can then have up to 700% in penalties tacked on to it.

Wow, assume I have a regular job in america with a family and a mortgage and i got hurt. Now i'm bankrupt, homeless, and can't afford food for my family. If I had only waited until that hernia started to strangle my intestine i could have had the surgery for free with no follow up care at great risk to my life and then maybe would have to have permanent follow up care having to poop through a stoma and not have sex because gangrene had spread through my colon and testicles. Or if i'm really lucky, i could have died and my family could have collected my $60,000 life insurance policy that after legal action, the insurance company only paid $10,000 of, still leaving my family with several grand in debt due to funerary costs.

The ultimate message to Americans: If you're not at least moderately wealthy, once you can't work or are in danger of dying, go crawl somewhere and die.

****! You beat me to it.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
The ultimate message to Americans: If you're not at least moderately wealthy, once you can't work or are in danger of dying, go crawl somewhere and die.
a word on that one...put in your will (provided you havent ever had hepatitis or aids etc..) that you wish your body donated to science they ash your butt for free and send you home in a box that can be buried..free of charge...
if you own land you may block off an acre and no longer pay taxes on that acre to the queen/IRS etc...as it is a family cemetery your headstone is your only cost and you can get those cheap straight from certain rock companies just goto to your local active corey..lol..they will point you...cheap way if you own land to not put final expenses on your family then they can go spend that small insurance policy on home repairs college for the kids gambling a new car booze..etc..not in that order...er well maybe..
just an idea for poverty stricken land "owners" in the U.S. not sure how that works elsewhere in the world..(prevents having to crawl further than a couple acres back)

Originally posted by Jack Daniels
a word on that one...put in your will (provided you havent ever had hepatitis or aids etc..) that you wish your body donated to science they ash your butt for free and send you home in a box that can be buried..free of charge...
if you own land you may block off an acre and no longer pay taxes on that acre to the queen/IRS etc...as it is a family cemetery your headstone is your only cost and you can get those cheap straight from certain rock companies just goto to your local active corey..lol..they will point you...cheap way if you own land to not put final expenses on your family then they can go spend that small insurance policy on home repairs college for the kids gambling a new car booze..etc..not in that order...er well maybe..
just an idea for poverty stricken land "owners" in the U.S. not sure how that works elsewhere in the world..(prevents having to crawl further than a couple acres back)
The only trouble with that plan is that you (or at least a family member) has to die first.

yep everybody just has to have it in the will and its all good..
as long as the land taxes are current at the time of filing for the family cemetery..these days that could be a problem for some...