How many top tiers can actually contribute to

Holding the earth in orbit while fighting against forces strong enough to push it out of orbit.

It seems that these days replacing the solar system's gravity well and fighting against a force strong enough to move a planetary body is not impressive if done with two other top tiers.

And MM and Wondy get less credit than they deserve as if they are not among the strongest beings on DC earth.

So the question becomes, Who in the herald catagory is strong enough without any amping, based upon their feats and strength showings, to actually help Superman Keep the earth in orbit WHILE fighting against solarsystem altering force?

Also, who is strong enough to replace Superman and Help Wondy and MM hold the solar system's gravity hold on the earth?

Originally posted by fangirl101
Holding the earth in orbit while fighting against forces strong enough to push it out of orbit.

It seems that these days replacing the solar system's gravity well and fighting against a force strong enough to move a planetary body is not impressive if done with two other top tiers.

And MM and Wondy get less credit than they deserve as if they are not among the strongest beings on DC earth.

So the question becomes, Who in the herald catagory is strong enough without any amping, based upon their feats and strength showings, to actually help Superman Keep the earth in orbit WHILE fighting against solarsystem altering force?

Also, who is strong enough to replace Superman and Help Wondy and MM hold the solar system's gravity hold on the earth?

Strong enough or have the right powers?

Because Hercules is strong enough, but he can't fly.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Strong enough or have the right powers?

Because Hercules is strong enough, but he can't fly.

the strength required to keep a planet the size of earth in orbit is astronomical

it would require over a gazillion tons of force

Hulk would do it easy

Originally posted by fangirl101
Holding the earth in orbit while fighting against forces strong enough to push it out of orbit.

It seems that these days replacing the solar system's gravity well and fighting against a force strong enough to move a planetary body is not impressive if done with two other top tiers.

And MM and Wondy get less credit than they deserve as if they are not among the strongest beings on DC earth.

So the question becomes, Who in the herald catagory is strong enough without any amping, based upon their feats and strength showings, to actually help Superman Keep the earth in orbit WHILE fighting against solarsystem altering force?

Also, who is strong enough to replace Superman and Help Wondy and MM hold the solar system's gravity hold on the earth?

Originally posted by Starscream M
the strength required to keep a planet the size of earth in orbit is astronomical

it would require over a gazillion tons of force

anywhere Hulk, gladiator, thor level and above

Originally posted by darthgoober
Why are you removing amping? Doesn't MM have to amp to hit that level?

Originally posted by fangirl101
It has to do with his shape shifting. It isn't an amp so much as he can't sustain that lvl of strength. Kinda like Black Adam can run as fast as jay garrick but can't sustain it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
If he's using his powers to increase his strength to higher than his "base levels" it's amping no matter how you spin it. I mean it's your thread so do what you want with the stipulations, I was just pointing out that it's hardly about "unamped strength" comparisons except in regard to WW.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Holding the earth in orbit while fighting against forces strong enough to push it out of orbit.

It seems that these days replacing the solar system's gravity well and fighting against a force strong enough to move a planetary body is not impressive if done with two other top tiers.

And MM and Wondy get less credit than they deserve as if they are not among the strongest beings on DC earth.

So the question becomes, Who in the herald catagory is strong enough without any amping, based upon their feats and strength showings, to actually help Superman Keep the earth in orbit WHILE fighting against solarsystem altering force?

Also, who is strong enough to replace Superman and Help Wondy and MM hold the solar system's gravity hold on the earth?

Originally posted by fangirl101
It's not amping if he controlls his muscles. It's part of his shape changing. It's just like he can't sustain any of the powers that require concentration for extended periods of time.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He alters his muscles from the "norm" with his mind, so it's amping. Vision can control the density of his muscles, it's still amping. Surfer can control how much cosmic energy his muscles store, it's still amping.

Originally posted by fangirl101
no. Vision doesn't amp by altering his denisity. that is his power. Surfer amps by drawing on outside cosmic power to amp his muscles. That is Amping.

And Surfer continuously absorbs cosmic energy without effort the way other characters eat, are they drawing on an outside source? I'm not talking about him specifically absorbing energy from a star or blackhole for the purpose of pumping up, I'm talking about his ability to "will" himself stronger off his power stores.

Point being, if a character has to "increase" their strength to levels above the norm, it's amping. It's a sustained effort for MM to POSSESS that level of strength, he'd still get tired even if he was just standing around being that strong without having to lift anything. That puts it in a different category than BA getting tired after physical exertion.

Originally posted by darthgoober
If Vision isn't normally that strong, it's amping. Most of the time he's not strong enough to bowl Thing over with a punch, it takes a specific mental "push" for him to be strong enough to do that

And Surfer continuously absorbs cosmic energy without effort the way other characters eat, are they drawing on an outside source? I'm not talking about him specifically absorbing energy from a star or blackhole for the purpose of pumping up, I'm talking about his ability to "will" himself stronger off his power stores.

Point being, if a character has to "increase" their strength to levels above the norm, it's amping. It's a sustained effort for MM to POSSESS that level of strength, he'd still get tired even if he was just standing around being that strong without having to lift anything. That puts it in a different category than BA getting tired after physical exertion.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Is there a point to this. The stipulations of the thread are made. It isn't about MM. it is about other top tiers who could have helped without amping.

Originally posted by darthgoober
If he's using his powers to increase his strength to higher than his "base levels" it's amping no matter how you spin it. I mean it's your thread so do what you want with the stipulations, I was just pointing out that it's hardly about "unamped strength" comparisons except in regard to WW.

MM was specifically noted in the opening as not getting enough credit for his strength, so I was curious as to the no amping stipulation since he was amping when he contributed to the feat.

Anyway to answer the thread, anyone who can fly can contribute to moving a planet.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Anyway to answer the thread, anyone who can fly can contribute to moving a planet.

So can anyone who jumps up and down really hard.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So can anyone who jumps up and down really hard.