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So. You know the drill.

Conditions: No circumstances- this is purely academic. If you must have a location, use somewhere neutral like the plains of Naboo.

(No environmental manipulation for Kenobi. No sir.)

Obi-Wan.

I base this on nothing, Gideon is still an asshat, etc.

Kas'im. Come on.

No, you come on! Kenobi soundly defeated Darth Vader, one of the most powerful Sith of the era, and walked away physically unscathed. His mastery of Soresu would surely led Kas'im to his demise.

Nope.

Originally posted by JediOrion
No, you come on! Kenobi soundly defeated Darth Vader, one of the most powerful Sith of the era, and walked away physically unscathed. His mastery of Soresu would surely led Kas'im to his demise.

Except there's no indication Anakin is anywhere near Kas'im's level of saber combat. Not to mention Kenobi knew all of Skywalker's moves and Skywalker got cocky at the end.

"Kas'im was so proficient at lightsaber combat that he was considered amongst the Sith to be the greatest swordsman of his age, and possibly one of the greatest ever to have lived."

He is also said to of been a master of all forms therefore including Soresu, he must then also know all of Soresu's 'moves' for lack of a better word.

I think Kas'im would have this unless Kenobi can bring down a temple on him like Bane did and as were on the plains of Naboo, I doubt thats going to happen.

"Mastered" is relative. You can master one aspect of an art and not master another aspect of it. It's just as fallacious a quote as Anoon's "technical skill" quote.

Well I see it this way, it was stated Kas'im was extremely profficient in all forms of Saber Combat, I think he has at least a high level of skill with each. Although, he couldn't devote as much time to them since he learned them all.

Obi-Wan studied Soresu intently till he was regarded as the best at it. I think that his singular study of Soresu, the most defensive of the forms, gives him more ability with that one form, while Kas'im has extremely good, but still watered down versions of all of them.

I think Obi-Wan defends until Kas'im makes a mistake, or gets tired. Either way, it's a loooooooong fight.

Plus PT>BoS. Damn it.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
"Mastered" is relative. You can master one aspect of an art and not master another aspect of it. It's just as fallacious a quote as Anoon's "technical skill" quote.

Except in this case, Kas'im mastered EVERY aspect of lightsaber combat, whether it's one blade, a double blade, or two blades. There is no indication Kenobi is in the same league as him, which he's not.

And PT>BoS is absolutely irrelevant. There are very few individuals that could take Bane and Kenobi isn't one of them.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except in this case, Kas'im mastered EVERY aspect of lightsaber combat, whether it's one blade, a double blade, or two blades. There is no indication Kenobi is in the same league as him, which he's not.

And PT>BoS is absolutely irrelevant. There are very few individuals that could take Bane and Kenobi isn't one of them. Did you just confuse Bane with Kas'im? Ewww.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Did you just confuse Bane with Kas'im? Ewww.

No, I didn't. The fact that he defeated Bane speaks volumes about his lightsaber abilities.

Might have something to do with his Jar'Kai...a style Obi-wan has fought plenty of times

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Might have something to do with his Jar'Kai...a style Obi-wan has fought plenty of times

So? And by plenty of times, do you mean just Ventress? Kenobi doesn't have a realistic shot here.

"just Ventress"?

Darth Maul and Grievous as well I guess, but regardless of that fact, his demonstrated experience (as in his proven experience; all that he can be said to possess) fighting the form numbers in the minutes, at most. To claim that whatever familiarity with the weapon he gained through that would even register to Kas'im's seven form mastery of the weapon would be undeniably retarded. Kas'im, by all available evidence, is Obi-Wan's superior in technical skill by several billions of miles, can almost definitely bring stuff to the table that Obi-Wan would be completely unfamiliar with, and has also demonstrated a vastly more impressive command of the Force. Obi-Wan gets stomped.

No.

Repetition is not a good look for you.

Edit - Out of curiosity, if you're willing to give it, what is your opinion of the two of these combatants? How closely would you rank them? I'm genuinely curious.

Originally posted by Balmung
Repetition is not a good look for you.

Says the guy who's made thousands of accounts on these forums for some ambiguous (and likely retarded) reason.

You're a guest in my home, Nebaris. You will use the logic that I tell you to use: the kind that makes sense. Until such a time, you will continue to be the victim of my butler's banhammer.



Nah. Logically? Kas'im is better than Kenobi. But nothing -- nothing -- he has done or what you have said makes me think that he's going to be getting through Kenobi's defenses unless he's somehow Dooku-class with the Force (and he's not).

Kas'im will win, but it will take a while.

Originally posted by Gideon
unless he's somehow Dooku-class with the Force (and he's not).To be fair, there are plenty of Jedi who have either demonstrated or have been implied/shown to have superior strength . The idea that one needs to be "Dooku-class" in power to get past Obi-Wan is flawed.

Perhaps, but your point is also intrinsically flawed. It's not enough to simply have superior skill; Anakin was, by all accounts, a far greater swordsman than Obi-Wan as of Revenge of the Sith, but still couldn't breach his defense. The degree of superiority with someone like Obi-Wan, whose defense is prodigious, must be considerable. Kas'im will win, but it will take time.

Originally posted by Gideon
Perhaps, but your point is also intrinsically flawed. It's not enough to simply have superior skill; Anakin was, by all accounts, a far greater swordsman than Obi-Wan as of Revenge of the Sith, but still couldn't breach his defense. What does that have to do with Force power? My point was that there are individuals other than Dooku who have demonstrated or been stated to possess superior power in the Force than Kenobi who probably aren't as powerful as Dooku, so the idea that one needs to be "Dooku-class" in power to overpower Obi-Wan is flawed.

to say that ka'sims control of the force is even near the level of someone like mace, or even obi wan is laughable. what are u going by his 1 feat of blocking a charged shot from bane who had just exhausted most of his energy in the hardest fought duel of his life. and after he blocked it wasnt he so drained he couldnt save himself from some falling rocks. is he superior to kenobi in straight upsaber skills almost definatly stronger with the force? no way