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Round 1

Pein/w bodies only.

Round 2

Kisame only.

Round 3

Both.

Kenny can one shot any of Pain's bodies or Kisame. With his eye-patch on.

Kenny stomps.

Kenpachi doesn't even have to fight to beat them. his spiritual pressure would problably do the job for him.

Zaraki FTW

kenny loses against both, kisame hasnt shown his true power yet. and pein wud most likely kill aizen.

So basically, Kenpachi vs 2 guys who have a plethora of ranged attacks?

Originally posted by danteiscool
Kenpachi doesn't even have to fight to beat them. his spiritual pressure would problably do the job for him.

Yes. In a fight between Bleach and Naruto characters we will automatically assume that they're killed by spiritual pressure.

Right?

Because that's not stupid at all.

No, it's logical.

Right?

Probably what the thread starter intended too.

Right?

Right?

bleach cant hold a candle upto upper tier naruto currently

Originally posted by leonheartmm
bleach cant hold a candle upto upper tier naruto currently

And for all their increase in damage and such it seems like they've yet to ACTUALLY move beyond the damage output Captains had.

Ulquiorra is sooooo much faster and stronger and powerful, yet the difference is barely noticeable.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
And for all their increase in damage and such it seems like they've yet to ACTUALLY move beyond the damage output Captains had.

Ulquiorra is sooooo much faster and stronger and powerful, yet the difference is barely noticeable.

He's right mhmm

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
And for all their increase in damage and such it seems like they've yet to ACTUALLY move beyond the damage output Captains had.

Ulquiorra is sooooo much faster and stronger and powerful, yet the difference is barely noticeable.

dragon ball syndrom. the attacks actually have to be below planet destroying so the characters have sumthing to stand on, the also have to remain in a scope where the characters can sumtimes be seen comparitively and every important place any1 calls home or base of operations isnt intantly totalled. also, one you go beyond sity/planet destroying, it really doesnt make much fo a difference to the reader if it destroyes a solar system or a galaxy.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Yes. In a fight between Bleach and Naruto characters we will automatically assume that they're killed by spiritual pressure.

Right?

Because that's not stupid at all.

No, it's logical.

Right?

Probably what the thread starter intended too.

Right?

Right?

It's a legitimate power that characters in Bleach posess. There's no good reason to ignore it.

That said, I don't think spiritual pressure has ever killed anyone and even if it had odds are it wouldn't kill Pein or Kisame.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It's a legitimate power that characters in Bleach posess. There's no good reason to ignore it.

That said, I don't think spiritual pressure has ever killed anyone and even if it had odds are it wouldn't kill Pein or Kisame.

Well, it would kill everyone in the surrounding city, according to Hitsugaya or something. Hence why they normally wear power limiters. And it's pretty ridiculous. Any captain could floor Vice-captains and lower with their reiatsu.

Pein and Kisame wouldn't be able to move :/

Originally posted by leonheartmm
kenny loses against both, kisame hasnt shown his true power yet. and pein wud most likely kill aizen. Kenpachi overpowered Sajin and Tosen effortlessly with one arm. Sajin alone tossed a Fraccion the size of a skyscraper. This makes Kenpachi stronger than both Pain and Kisame.

Naruto is the weakest of the Shounen Trinity consisting of itself, Bleach, and One Piece. By alot.

Kenpachi has shown to effortlessly cut buildings in half without even touching them, he has more defensive power than anyone here, and is also quite fast, able to dodge Tosen's attacks from feeling the blade touch his Haori.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Naruto is the weakest of the Shounen Trinity consisting of itself, Bleach, and One Piece. By alot.

Kenpachi has shown to effortlessly cut buildings in half without even touching them, he has more defensive power than anyone here, and is also quite fast, able to dodge Tosen's attacks from feeling the blade touch his Haori.

1. They are also the best fighters.

2. What buildings did Kenpachi cut in half?

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
and is also quite fast, able to dodge Tosen's attacks from feeling the blade touch his Haori.

But that's not a speed feat as Tosen himself has never shown any real impressive speed...

Originally posted by Quincy
1. They are also the best fighters.

2. What buildings did Kenpachi cut in half? 1. No they aren't lol.

2.

http://onemanga.com/Bleach/113/06/
http://onemanga.com/Bleach/113/07/

And here is a fun fact, when Ichigo and Kenny clashed, they knocked down several more buildings.

http://onemanga.com/Bleach/113/14-15/

Originally posted by Quincy
2. What buildings did Kenpachi cut in half?

http://onemanga.com/Bleach/113/06/

those buildings.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
But that's not a speed feat as Tosen himself has never shown any real impressive speed... Kenny had no sense but touch.

And Tosen is a Captain, which alone puts his speed above most of Bleachverse.

Oh and you're wrong btw. Tosen was able to cut off Grimmjow's arm before he felt pain and obliterated it with a Kido before it even hit the ground. The fact that he has an 80/100 in speed in the Databook reinforce's this fact.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. No they aren't lol.

2.

http://onemanga.com/Bleach/113/06/
http://onemanga.com/Bleach/113/07/

And here is a fun fact, when Ichigo and Kenny clashed, they knocked down several more buildings.

http://onemanga.com/Bleach/113/14-15/

1. When was the last time you've ever seen someone from bleach show the amount of skill the characters from Naruto have in a fight.

Not a sword fight.

An actual fight.

Or even thrown a punch.

yeah that's right.

2. And I figured you meant those buildings. although I'm questionable as to whether or not thats a real feat, since those are buildings from Soul Society.

Originally posted by Quincy
1. When was the last time you've ever seen someone from bleach show the amount of skill the characters from Naruto have in a fight.

Not a sword fight.

An actual fight.

Or even thrown a punch.

yeah that's right.

2. And I figured you meant those buildings. although I'm questionable as to whether or not thats a real feat, since those are buildings from Soul Society. 1. Oh. So you mean when was the last time Bleach used a bunch of random assortments of powers they do not possess?

And sword fights are not actual fights?

Yeah. Please stfu.

2. Now you are grasping at straws.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Oh. So you mean when was the last time Bleach used a bunch of random assortments of powers they do not possess?

And sword fights are not actual fights?

Yeah. Please stfu.

2. Now you are grasping at straws.

naw

Wow man you get really defensive and stern quickly.

And no, being handy with a sword does not make you a good at FIGHTING. It makes you good with a sword. Now if you happen to fight someone ELSE with a sword, then you're in pretty good shape.

Why would you say I'm grasping at straws? I don't think you even understand what I was saying.

Originally posted by Quincy
naw

Wow man you get really defensive and stern quickly.

And no, being handy with a sword does not make you a good at FIGHTING. It makes you good with a sword. Now if you happen to fight someone ELSE with a sword, then you're in pretty good shape.

Why would you say I'm grasping at straws? I don't think you even understand what I was saying. 1. Nah.

2. Yeah, it does, they are able to use a sword in combat efficiently, making them good at fighting.

3. You are trying to say Soul Society buildings<Normal buildings, which is stupid.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Kenny had no sense but touch.

Uh...



Speculation...



Which is sometime after that fight... and we all know hoe Bleach characters have gay super upgrades out of nowhere...





No it doesn't.



And in all honesty, there sword fight skills suck. They fight like Luke and Vader did in Return of the Jedi. From what I've seen the yrely more on their speed and power then any actual "technique" with a sword.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Uh...



Speculation...



Which is sometime after that fight... and we all know hoe Bleach characters have gay super upgrades out of nowhere...





No it doesn't.



And in all honesty, there sword fight skills suck. They fight like Luke and Vader did in Return of the Jedi. From what I've seen the yrely more on their speed and power then any actual "technique" with a sword. 1. Uh what?

2. Not speculation, the difference between a Captain and a Liutenant is shown to be astronomical.

3. What? Wtf are you talking about?

4. Yeah it does. If he had nothing but databook I would agree, but he doesn't.

5. Depends on you you are talking about. Kenny is the best swordsman in the show.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
5. Depends on you you are talking about. Kenny is the best swordsman in the show.

I'd say he's easily the worst.

Anywhere.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'd say he's easily the worst.

Anywhere. I'd say I couldn't give a shit about your misguided opinion.

Kenny is a pure swordsman specialist, he uses no other weapon or tactic but swordplay, and quickly but effortlessly alternates between different attack types and was able to fight Sajin and Tosen both at the same time and was holding the upper hand.

Kenny has enormous spirit pressure enough to bring anyone down to the floor including kisame and pein

Originally posted by yungz22
Kenny has enormous spirit pressure enough to bring anyone down to the floor including kisame and pein

lulz.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'd say he's easily the worst.

Anywhere.

To be fair, very few of them seem to possess any real skill though.

Pain's Deva Path is all that is needed. This is the guy who survived a round against a six-tailed Naruto ...that speaks for itself.

Kisame would be more of a fair fight though, would see it going either way...on a side note, both have enormous amounts of "respective universe's energy"

Kenpachi would kill Six Tailed Naruto though.

So I cannot see your point.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Kenpachi would kill Six Tailed Naruto though.

So I cannot see your point.


Go ahead and state that Konohamaru would kill Renji ...you seem to like those sort of comments.


Feats wise or otherwise, Pain beats Kenpachi. And I'm not talking about number of feats.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
I'd say I couldn't give a shit about your misguided opinion.

Kenny is a pure swordsman specialist, he uses no other weapon or tactic but swordplay, and quickly but effortlessly alternates between different attack types and was able to fight Sajin and Tosen both at the same time and was holding the upper hand.

The extent of his technique is "hit harder to hurt them more" that's it entirely. The rest is nothing but banking on his massive durability. That's not tactics or skill (in fact Kenpachi has said that he hates both, IIRC) that's Kenpachi being insane like he always is, it's what makes him awesome.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Go ahead and state that Konohamaru would kill Renji ...you seem to like those sort of comments.


Feats wise or otherwise, Pain beats Kenpachi. And I'm not talking about number of feats. 1. Nope, Renji alone would give Pain himself a run for his money. Here is a fun fact though, Konohamaru did beat one of Pain's bodies.

2. 'Fraid not.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The extent of his technique is "hit harder to hurt them more" that's it entirely. The rest is nothing but banking on his massive durability. That's not tactics or skill (in fact Kenpachi has said that he hates both, IIRC) that's Kenpachi being insane like he always is, it's what makes him awesome. He hits hard. Yeah.

He has massive durability, yeah.

HOWEVER, he has shown to be able to easily block, parry, and attack in battle.

He despises them, yet oddly uses them.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Nope, Renji alone would give Pain himself a run for his money. Here is a fun fact though, Konohamaru did beat one of Pain's bodies.

2. 'Fraid not.

Keep going on, your statements such as Renji giving Pain a hard time are amusing me.
We're talking about the Deva path here, so your Konohamaru point is moot, m'fraid. The rest of the bodies are just like someone else described them, fodder.

Ookay, what's the biggest feat Kenpachi's done? (I will concede if it's bigger than pain's )


PS, don't double post, apparently it's really hated in this forum, the edit button is there for a reason

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Keep going on, your statements such as Renji giving Pain a hard time are amusing me.
We're talking about the Deva path here, so your Konohamaru point is moot, m'fraid. The rest of the bodies are just like someone else described them, fodder.

Ookay, what's the biggest feat Kenpachi's done? (I will concede if it's bigger than pain's )


PS, don't double post, apparently it's really hated in this forum, the edit button is there for a reason 1. Because it is true? It isn't surprising, what with Bleach being a stronger verse than Naruto.

2. I described them as fodder. And Deva Path is not enough to win.

3. You're just going to shout that Pain destroyed the village, ignoring that it takes time and all the bodies to do that, and the pseudo black hole, which Kenny could easily escape.

Kenny has casually cut in half buildings without touching them with his sword for one.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Because it is true? It isn't surprising, what with Bleach being a stronger verse than Naruto.

2. I described them as fodder. And Deva Path is not enough to win.

3. You're just going to shout that Pain destroyed the village, ignoring that it takes time and all the bodies to do that, and the pseudo black hole, which Kenny could easily escape.

Kenny has casually cut in half buildings without touching them with his sword for one.

No it isn't, & saying that the bleach verse is stronger is nothing short of a fanboyish attitude.

Yeah, I re read the thread where you said it, and I'm sorry I forgot it was you who said that...he is enough.

Not going to shout it, I would type it...and the feat of being able to defeat an opponent like Jiraiya would have sufficed in this case.

Pray tell how Kenny would escape the effects of gravity.

Sure, because the one thing that can stop Pain is buildings sliced in half.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Pray tell how Kenny would escape the effects of gravity.

Do you count filler as cannon?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
No it isn't, & saying that the bleach verse is stronger is nothing short of a fanboyish attitude.

Yeah, I re read the thread where you said it, and I'm sorry I forgot it was you who said that...he is enough.

Not going to shout it, I would type it...and the feat of being able to defeat an opponent like Jiraiya would have sufficed in this case.

Pray tell how Kenny would escape the effects of gravity.

Sure, because the one thing that can stop Pain is buildings sliced in half. 1. No, it is me looking at the respective verses and realising which is logically more powerful and not being an idiot. And btw, I meant that with great offense.

2. No he is not.

3. They mean nothing, and Jiraiya could not beat Kenny.

4. You say that like it means anything. Other than the mini black hole, all he can do is push and pull(and pray to God he does not decide to pull Kenny to him), and it has a lag time of 5 seconds, which would be more than enough time for Kenny to clear the distance.

5. Yeah, considering he could kill all of Pain's bodies in one swipe.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. No, it is me looking at the respective verses and realising which is logically more powerful and not being an idiot. And btw, I meant that with great offense.

2. No he is not.

3. They mean nothing, and Jiraiya could not beat Kenny.

4. You say that like it means anything. Other than the mini black hole, all he can do is push and pull(and pray to God he does not decide to pull Kenny to him), and it has a lag time of 5 seconds, which would be more than enough time for Kenny to clear the distance.

5. Yeah, considering he could kill all of Pain's bodies in one swipe.

Yep, with your fanboyish bias clouding your judgement

No point in arguing with you about that, even if he isn't enough according to you, the other bodies will be able to provide some support and that's enough.

Right, who's the strongest opponent that Kenny has beaten? An espada that was number 5, while that is a feat, it means nothing.
Jiraiya was one of the Sannin , quite possibly the strongest out of those three, that's a feat in itself...Whether Jiraiya is able to beat Kenpachi or not is moot, I'm not basing it on ABC, I'm basing it on feats.


5 seconds? For Kenpachi? Kenpachi isn't that fast. Also, don't forget, Pain isn't a statue. He can repel objects as well.

That's not a complete long range attack FYI, the building was pretty close when he cut it...and don't the bodies have the ability to just jump out of the way

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Yep, with your fanboyish bias clouding your judgement

No point in arguing with you about that, even if he isn't enough according to you, the other bodies will be able to provide some support and that's enough.

Right, who's the strongest opponent that Kenny has beaten? An espada that was number 5, while that is a feat, it means nothing.
Jiraiya was one of the Sannin , quite possibly the strongest out of those three, that's a feat in itself...Whether Jiraiya is able to beat Kenpachi or not is moot, I'm not basing it on ABC, I'm basing it on feats.


5 seconds? For Kenpachi? Kenpachi isn't that fast. Also, don't forget, Pain isn't a statue. He can repel objects as well.

That's not a complete long range attack FYI, the building was pretty close when he cut it...and don't the bodies have the ability to just jump out of the way 1. No you see, Bleachers have power, strength, durability, and speed over Naruto. If you're too much of an idiot to see that, not my problem.

2. The other bodies are fodder.

3. Sannin is a title jack. It is not a feat. Jiraiya has not shit over Kenpachi or Noitora. Those are not feats, beating someone is not a feat.

4. Kenpachi is easily fast enough as his fight with Noitora shows, clearing hundreds of feet in an instant. Pain can't repel objects when he just used the power, hence the five second rule. Oh, and btw, just because it can repel giant Toads, does not mean it will have the same effect on Kenny, who is much stronger and more durable than them.

5. Never said it was jack. Jump out of the way? They are not fast enough I'm afraid.

No symmetric, I don't count filler as canon, just the manga and the anime parts that follow the manga.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. No you see, Bleachers have power, strength, durability, and speed over Naruto. If you're too much of an idiot to see that, not my problem.

2. The other bodies are fodder.

3. Sannin is a title jack. It is not a feat. Jiraiya has not shit over Kenpachi or Noitora. Those are not feats, beating someone is not a feat.

4. Kenpachi is easily fast enough as his fight with Noitora shows, clearing hundreds of feet in an instant. Pain can't repel objects when he just used the power, hence the five second rule. Oh, and btw, just because it can repel giant Toads, does not mean it will have the same effect on Kenny, who is much stronger and more durable than them.

5. Never said it was jack. Jump out of the way? They are not fast enough I'm afraid.

Well, see that's the thing about idiots, they think that others are idiotic as well. Saying one verse is inherently stronger or more powerful than another is moronic, something you seem to be demonstrating a lot lately.

Fodder yes, but they are also enough to give someone like Kenpachi, trouble.

Considering they got the title after surviving against another powerful ninja is a feat. I could easily say that Kenpachi doesn't hold a candle to Jiraiya, but that would demonstrate stupidity of your level. Beating Jiraiya was a feat. If you consider beating someone not equal to a feat, then holding his own against Tosen and Komamura is not a feat.

So you think Kenpachi could overpower a toad around 50 times bigger than him, just with strength? My my. Durability would play no factor when it comes to Shinra tensei's repelling factor. With Chibaku, yes, not with Shinra's repelling factor though.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Nah.

2. Yeah, it does, they are able to use a sword in combat efficiently, making them good at fighting.

3. You are trying to say Soul Society buildings<Normal buildings, which is stupid.

It makes them capable with a sword. I dont think I can make you understand that, so I'll just move on.

I just remember that Soul Society's buildings are actually made up of Reiatsu. I'm not saying its fact, but I believe that someone with enough reaitsu (for example: kenpachi) could shred a wall in soul society with focused spirit pressure. I mean, even ishida, who has NOWHERE NEAR the amount of power of Kenpachi was still able to absorb the buildings around him by breaking down their reiatsu. This is just me asking the opinions of other people.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Kenpachi would kill Six Tailed Naruto though.

So I cannot see your point.

naw

that's way wrong dude.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Well, see that's the thing about idiots, they think that others are idiotic as well. Saying one verse is inherently stronger or more powerful than another is moronic, something you seem to be demonstrating a lot lately.

Fodder yes, but they are also enough to give someone like Kenpachi, trouble.

Considering they got the title after surviving against another powerful ninja is a feat. I could easily say that Kenpachi doesn't hold a candle to Jiraiya, but that would demonstrate stupidity of your level. Beating Jiraiya was a feat. If you consider beating someone not equal to a feat, then holding his own against Tosen and Komamura is not a feat.

So you think Kenpachi could overpower a toad around 50 times bigger than him, just with strength? My my. Durability would play no factor when it comes to Shinra tensei's repelling factor. With Chibaku, yes, not with Shinra's repelling factor though. 1. And why is that? Would it be idiotic to say that the DBZverse or Tenchiverse is stronger than Naruto then? Certain verses are more powerful than others moron.

2. Why? Absorbing Pain can absorb shit. Kenny has no energy attacks, he gets cut in half with a sword. Hell Pain can grab people and judge them, if he tries to grab Kenny, he dies, being weaker and what-not. Animal Pain's summons, well, the same thing would happen to them as would happen to a Menos Gillian, and other than her summons, she is fodder. The Pain that fvcks with souls, Kenny already is a soul, and is fodder like the rest. Asura Pain...Well Asura Pain is quite simply a glass cannon, he can't take a hit for shit. Yahiko is the only threat.

3. It is what they do in the fight that is the feat my friend, not winning the fight itself. Kenny blocked both Tosen's and Komamura's blades single-handedly, Komamura tossed a Fraccion as large as a Skyscraper, so that is a strength feat for Kenny.

4. He has overpowered stronger. Strength would factor into Shinra Tensei's repel.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
It is what they do in the fight that is the feat my friend, not winning the fight itself. Kenny blocked both Tosen's and Komamura's blades single-handedly, Komamura tossed a Fraccion as large as a Skyscraper, so that is a strength feat for Kenny.

Komamura tossing the fraccion is NOT a feat for Kenpachi.

This feat happened AFTER Kenpachi crossed swords with Sajin. In the time spent between those two battles ( which was quite a long time indeed) Sajin could have obviously gotten stronger.

Kenpachi rapes this hard. Seriously anyone who tries to ignore his casual skyscraper cutting feats are dense in the head. He overpowered Koma(Thus making him stonger than the guy).and Komamura was able to throw around someone the size Po without trouble in base form.(that is without shikai or bankai). And god forbid if were to bring kendo into this.

Oh and sword skills means shit when your opponent outclasses you in speed, strength and durability so bad it's not even funny. Majin Fat Buu doesn't seem like his a very well-trained professional in martial arts or any style of fighting, that must mean he will get his ass handed to him by Rock Lee, who is so skilled with his Taijutsu amirite?

Originally posted by Urban Ninja
Majin Fat Buu doesn't seem like his a very well-trained professional in martial arts or any style of fighting, that must mean he will get his ass handed to him by Rock Lee, who is so skilled with his Taijutsu amirite?

That's a horrible example.

Originally posted by Quincy
That's a horrible example.

Too bad that's what the idiocy here in this discussion calls for.

Originally posted by Urban Ninja
Komamura was able to throw around someone the size Po without trouble in base form.(that is without shikai or bankai). And god forbid if were to bring kendo into this.

Base form...so his Shikai (as in, having your SWORD transform)increases your strength? And his Bankai (which summons a giant suit of armor) increases his own physical strength exponentially.

Originally posted by Urban Ninja
Too bad that's what the idiocy here in this discussion calls for.

I think Rock Lee is a much better fighter than Majin Boo.

But I'm not saying he can beat him. Majin Boo can regenerate, and is capable of blowing up planets. But if Majin Boo had normal strength, then yes, Lee would rip his ass open with his amazing martial arts talent.

That's not the basis of my argument of why Pein and Kisame would beat Kenpachi, but just fact that the Naruto characters are very talented at the actual art of fighting. Bleach just has powerful sword swings.

I mean honestly, if you think Rock Lee would lose to Ichigo in a fist fight, you might actually be mentally retarded.

Vaizard Ichigo punches his head off. No contest.


Duhhh-Datds guust loogicc innit?

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Vaizard Ichigo punches his head off. No contest.


Duhhh-Datds guust loogicc innit?

Oh right sorry I forgot about that part in Bleach where we see Ichigo fight someone without a sword and he's capable of punching the head off of a human being.

Originally posted by Quincy
I just remember that Soul Society's buildings are actually made up of Reiatsu. I'm not saying its fact, but I believe that someone with enough reaitsu (for example: kenpachi) could shred a wall in soul society with focused spirit pressure. I mean, even ishida, who has NOWHERE NEAR the amount of power of Kenpachi was still able to absorb the buildings around him by breaking down their reiatsu. This is just me asking the opinions of other people.

The building are made of reiatsu but there's no evidence that they are less durable than normal buildings. Ishida's feat is entirely an artifact of his powers, much like the way Magneto would be able to tear apart a city made a steel even though he would be hard pressed to do the same to a forest.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The building are made of reiatsu but there's no evidence that they are less durable than normal buildings. Ishida's feat is entirely an artifact of his powers, much like the way Magneto would be able to tear apart a city made a steel even though he would be hard pressed to do the same to a forest.

Makes sense

But you know what I was getting at. I think at this point I'm more debating about how the fighters in Naruto are more talented then those in Bleach than I am about Kenpachi vs Kisame and Pein.

Luckily you remembered that part when he beats 3 vice-captians without his sword, attacking too fast for them to react and punching through that one giant mace Zanpakto like it's tissue paper, right?

Well then I'll forgive you.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Luckily you remembered that part when he beats 3 vice-captians without his sword, attacking too fast for them to react and punching through that one giant mace Zanpakto like it's tissue paper, right?

Well then I'll forgive you.

Does he really punch through a mace?


That'd change my whole argument then.

Yup, Chapter 152 'Speed Phantom' page 14. He's also still in Shikai when he does this so just imagine what Vaizard could do.

Originally posted by Quincy
Does he really punch through a mace?


That'd change my whole argument then.

Yeah, the fat guy's mace.

Definitely not something Gai could do, and Kisame's clone wasn't even close to equal his strength. So there's no way Kisame can.

Originally posted by Quincy
Base form...so his Shikai (as in, having your SWORD transform)increases your strength? And his Bankai (which summons a giant suit of armor) increases his own physical strength exponentially.



I think Rock Lee is a much better fighter than Majin Boo.

But I'm not saying he can beat him. Majin Boo can regenerate, and is capable of blowing up planets. But if Majin Boo had normal strength, then yes, Lee would rip his ass open with his amazing martial arts talent.

That's not the basis of my argument of why Pein and Kisame would beat Kenpachi, but just fact that the Naruto characters are very talented at the actual art of fighting. Bleach just has powerful sword swings.

I mean honestly, if you think Rock Lee would lose to Ichigo in a fist fight, you might actually be mentally retarded.

1. I'd expect his armour to be just a much stronger version of himself(what do you expect it to do? shoot lasers?) and using bankai would mean letting the armour do the throwing. btw Kenpachi did take on Komamura's Bankai PATCHED.

2.Except Zaraki totally outcalsses both those characters in strength and power so bad it's not funny.

3. Them being talented at fighting doesn't overcome the MASSIVE gap in power. Just like how Bruce Lee isn't gonna beat Nnoitra how ever good he is at martial arts (call it a bad example if you want)

4. Yes Rock Lee is the more talented fistfighter. And although there's no way of knowing how good a fistfighter Ichigo is, we do know that he possess strength enough to thrash Rock Lee in any sort of real confrontation(not just a pure fist fight). You must be mentally retarded if you don't see how massive the defference in power and speed is between these two characters.

So overall, Naruto characters might be more talented in their skills(though not always the case though probably in this case it is) but that alone is not nearly enough at all to overcome the gap in physical abilites.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. And why is that? Would it be idiotic to say that the DBZverse or Tenchiverse is stronger than Naruto then? Certain verses are more powerful than others moron.

2. Why? Absorbing Pain can absorb shit. Kenny has no energy attacks, he gets cut in half with a sword. Hell Pain can grab people and judge them, if he tries to grab Kenny, he dies, being weaker and what-not. Animal Pain's summons, well, the same thing would happen to them as would happen to a Menos Gillian, and other than her summons, she is fodder. The Pain that fvcks with souls, Kenny already is a soul, and is fodder like the rest. Asura Pain...Well Asura Pain is quite simply a glass cannon, he can't take a hit for shit. Yahiko is the only threat.

3. It is what they do in the fight that is the feat my friend, not winning the fight itself. Kenny blocked both Tosen's and Komamura's blades single-handedly, Komamura tossed a Fraccion as large as a Skyscraper, so that is a strength feat for Kenny.

4. He has overpowered stronger. Strength would factor into Shinra Tensei's repel.


it's been over a week, and I'm too lazy at the moment to reply in any of the versus threads I've posted in, so I propose we agree to disagree.

And the DBverse is a given, they did have planet busting feats, so point noted...but imo feats in the Narutoverse & Bleachverse are pretty much equal in terms of scale

The people saying Kenpachi is slow make me rofl. He's been shown to be fast as hell he just doesn't like to use his speed. He also doesn't like to use any real sword technique but he has been shown to be able to block everyones attacks....even when they're coming at him 100's of times per second. He usually lets them hit him b/c it can't kill him but he is skilled enough to block them when he thinks it's necessary. So we have Kenpachi who is stronger, fast, considered the best warrior in the Bleachverse, has access to all that magical shit soul reapers can cast, and who hasn't even reached his full power level yet. Exactly how are they going to beat him? He's fast enough to cut their heads off before hey have a chance to react (especially if his spiritual pressure makes it cumbersome for them to move).

that gravity technique pein did that compacted konoha is going to be a bytch to defend against.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
that gravity technique pein did that compacted konoha is going to be a bytch to defend against. If only Pain had the time to prepare for it.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
that gravity technique pein did that compacted konoha is going to be a bytch to defend against.
Kenpachi was in a move that engulfed him in light and was supposed to destroy him. He took his eyepatch off and blew apart light.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
The people saying Kenpachi is slow make me rofl. He's been shown to be fast as hell he just doesn't like to use his speed. He also doesn't like to use any real sword technique but he has been shown to be able to block everyones attacks....even when they're coming at him 100's of times per second. He usually lets them hit him b/c it can't kill him but he is skilled enough to block them when he thinks it's necessary. So we have Kenpachi who is stronger, fast, considered the best warrior in the Bleachverse, has access to all that magical shit soul reapers can cast, and who hasn't even reached his full power level yet. Exactly how are they going to beat him? He's fast enough to cut their heads off before hey have a chance to react (especially if his spiritual pressure makes it cumbersome for them to move).

Doesn't matter whether he lacks the skill, or is just too STUPID to try and block. If he can't block Ichigo's shitty random swings, which -any- experienced captain should be able to dance around easily, then he's hardly that skilled.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Doesn't matter whether he lacks the skill, or is just too STUPID to try and block. If he can't block Ichigo's shitty random swings, which -any- experienced captain should be able to dance around easily, then he's hardly that skilled.

Dosen't matter whether he lacks skills or not. His physical capablities far exceeds anything those two can ever dream of. Even when he fights the way he does he is perfectly capable of defeating his opponents.

Originally posted by Urban Ninja
Dosen't matter whether he lacks skills or not. His physical capablities far exceeds anything those two can ever dream of. Even when he fights the way he does he is perfectly capable of defeating his opponents.

But apparently he's not.

No matter which way you look at it, taking unnecessary attacks like that is stupid. In situations like against Tousen, where he cannot hit his opponent without taking a hit first, it's a great ability, in any other fight it really holds him back.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
If only Pain had the time to prepare for it. it didn't take that long though, all he had to do was get closer to nagato. the move itself was like a haduken.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
But apparently he's not.

No matter which way you look at it, taking unnecessary attacks like that is stupid. In situations like against Tousen, where he cannot hit his opponent without taking a hit first, it's a great ability, in any other fight it really holds him back.

He knows to fight seriously when his life is in danger, which is exactly what he did when he fought with Nnoitra, he pulled out kendo just as when he saw how troublesome the 5th Espada's release could prove to be. Besides shikai Ichigo was a casual building buster and wasn't able to scrach him initially during their confrontation, Kisame so far has failed to break a single house or anything comparable, so his attacks aint even gonna tickle Zaraki no matter how many strikes he gets in, Kenpachi will just get bored and cuts the guy in half once he realized how pathetic his strength is. As for Pain Shinra Tensei is his best bet, too bad it takes alot out of him and the best it did was fail to kill the likes of Shikamaru. (he did cause large damage to konoha but too bad Kenpachi >>>buildings in durability.

Him taking unnecessary damage might be stupid at times, but it won't cause him to lose this match.

so, this thread is still alive based on the myth of bleach beeing so much more powerful than naruto? lmao, what utter bullshit. pein currently cud single handedly murder most of bleachverse. this match is less than a joke.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
so, this thread is still alive based on the myth of bleach beeing so much more powerful than naruto? lmao, what utter bullshit. pein currently cud single handedly murder most of bleachverse. this match is less than a joke.
What's the most extraordinary feat Pain has done?

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
What's the most extraordinary feat Pain has done?

He destroyed Konoha

He literally just walked into Konoha and started beating the shit out of everybody.

Also, he entrapped the Kyubi inside a giant ball of earth.

Big deal. Kenpachi has an eyepatch and everyone knows >

Originally posted by Nephthys
Big deal. Kenpachi has an eyepatch and everyone knows >

mhmm

Solid Point...

Originally posted by Nephthys
Big deal. Kenpachi has an eyepatch and everyone knows >


Kenpachi has an eye patch? Well duh

The point is he's so powerful he has to restrict his own spiritual pressure. If he took his mysterious patch off, Pain would get his ass laid out! Hahaaa!

Originally posted by Quincy
He destroyed Konoha

He literally just walked into Konoha and started beating the shit out of everybody.

Also, he entrapped the Kyubi inside a giant ball of earth. Renji with his Bankai could take on the vast majority of Konoha.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Renji with his Bankai could take on the vast majority of Konoha.

First I was like uhuh

Then I

DBZ>Detergent>One Piece of Shit>Narutard.

Sorry, that's hardly productive of me, and of the four only one really gets under my skin. I don't really mean anything by the names, just the correlation is punny.

That being said, I think Kenpachi could win this.

Kenpachi for obvious reasons already stated.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
First I was like uhuh

Then I His Bankai has shown vastly more destrctive ability than the majority of Narutoverse, he is faster than anyone in Narutoverse, though will not need to use it since his Bankai provides great defense.

Originally posted by Quincy
He destroyed Konoha

He literally just walked into Konoha and started beating the shit out of everybody.

Also, he entrapped the Kyubi inside a giant ball of earth.

Konoha had some ninja missing when he did that he wouldnt have done it as easy had team Gai and Hiashi been there

Kenpachi has to walk around with his spiritual pressure on low so that other people can walk around.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
so, this thread is still alive based on the myth of bleach beeing so much more powerful than naruto? lmao, what utter bullshit. pein currently cud single handedly murder most of bleachverse. this match is less than a joke.

LMAO Ulquiorra alone would rape the narutoverse so hard it's not even funny. He can nuke harder than Pain or anyone in Naruto ever could and did so casually, not to mention the speedblitz.

Originally posted by Urban Ninja
LMAO Ulquiorra alone would rape the narutoverse so hard it's not even funny. He can nuke harder than Pain or anyone in Naruto ever could and did so casually, not to mention the speedblitz.

please do NOT make me laugh. tha blast wasnt even as big as lochness, and that was his ULTIMATE move, the strongest move seen so far in bleach.

even the damage of chouji with his final pill was easilu compareable to that. much less gamabunta and other big summons or the 1 tailed shukaku. then u hae things like raasen shuriken, and naruto slicing a significant portion of a crustal plate in half with just his wind or kimimaru covering the entire horizon in his bone spikes, . ofcourse, theres kirin/amaterasu/susano all much stronger techniques. as for destruction. even the damage 4 tails was doing was compareable to ulquoirra, then u have shinra tensei, diedara's suicide jutsu which made mountain ranges look like mole hills in comparison and shinra tensei/7 tails{with only half its yang chakra}, and chibaku tensei which is simply put, a black hole. or have you forgotten rikoudu builsing the MOON out of his chinaku tensei. ofcourse theres genjutsu and stuff like the kyuubi and madara's power+ pain's unfinished weapon that we havent even seen yet.

its ridicuoulous to make such ignorant claims, narutoverse wud currently BURY bleachverse.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Kenpachi has to walk around with his spiritual pressure on low so that other people can walk around.

and urochimaru was not only able to paralyse highly capable chunnin but give them visions of their ultimate fear/death simply by STARING at them with his killer urger, and even casually letting his chakra slip, was negating gravity and breaing all the tiles aroud him against the fourth hokage fight.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
please do NOT make me laugh. tha blast wasnt even as big as lochness, and that was his ULTIMATE move, the strongest move seen so far in bleach.

even the damage of chouji with his final pill was easilu compareable to that. much less gamabunta and other big summons or the 1 tailed shukaku. then u hae things like raasen shuriken, and naruto slicing a significant portion of a crustal plate in half with just his wind or kimimaru covering the entire horizon in his bone spikes, . ofcourse, theres kirin/amaterasu/susano all much stronger techniques. as for destruction. even the damage 4 tails was doing was compareable to ulquoirra, then u have shinra tensei, diedara's suicide jutsu which made mountain ranges look like mole hills in comparison and shinra tensei/7 tails{with only half its yang chakra}, and chibaku tensei which is simply put, a black hole. or have you forgotten rikoudu builsing the MOON out of his chinaku tensei. ofcourse theres genjutsu and stuff like the kyuubi and madara's power+ pain's unfinished weapon that we havent even seen yet.

its ridicuoulous to make such ignorant claims, narutoverse wud currently BURY bleachverse.

You're even more delusional than I thought, konoha is no where near as big as sereitei, whereas LN is just as big if not larger, now the energy lance caused an explosion which made the fortress look pitiful in height and is atleast half as large in radius, considering its further away it must appear smaller than it actually is(even though it looks ridiculously huge already). U've gotta be ****ing kidding me if you think KN4 malice ball and oro's gates were anywhere near comparable(they're not even as big as the pilllars within each rooms of Las Noches), and lol at chouji's punches, released Grimmjows kicks makes that look like a joke. Please do not bring up anymore shitty examples of naruto attacks which are supposdely just as strong, you're just making yourself look more and more like an idiot.

^an idiot faltering on his own words and calling other people an idiot is wel............an idiot. the fact that he is a fanboy orgasming over bleach just makes it unbearably annoying. LN is compared to the CENTRAL area of soul society which contains the bigger buildings and dome. it ISNT as big as all of soul society, or were u not paying attention. you obviously also have serious sigh issues, as you cant compare frames or comparitive size. the explosion{largest in bleach history btw} was not bigger than loch ness, it was further away, but not bigger. nor was its height ANYTHING compareable to diedara's suicide, then im afraid you and i have nothing more to talk about and you can continue fawning and masturbating over bleach all you want. that explosion made all the mountiain ranges around it look like little ants scurrying. it had a pure destruction zone of over 20 miles, just fo comparison, that of a 5 megaton nuke is around 8 miles. and its shockwaves were seen from the upper atmosphere as they dispersed. and ofcourse, the cero which killed him was at the TOP of LN and it was significantly stronger than the structure. now stop insulting people for no reason other than your wet dreams of riding ichigo you braindead dickhead.

Reported, and that was a suicide blast, so it does not matter, Ulquiorra's attack is stronger than any in Naruto history.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Reported, and that was a suicide blast, so it does not matter, Ulquiorra's attack is stronger than any in Naruto history.

Because it's done less damage?

I see.

Leon, that language and the namecalling is not acceptable. That is a warning, and the next time I see it from you will be a ban.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Because it's done less damage?

I see. No, I was going for because the blast was about five times taller and was about a quarter the width of Las Noches.

I know how to decide who wins...Pein looks like he's 16. Kenpachi looks 30-ish. 30 year old ninjas beat up scrawny 16 year olds with facial piercings every time. I think narutoverse just seems so powerful because they're always fighting 10 year old ninja's in training.

i dont even see how this is an argument, if you are up to date on both naruto and bleach it should be obviouse that bleachvers is WAY more powerful than narutovers, dont get me wrong they are crazy powerful in naruto but they just dont compare at all

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Kenpachi overpowered Sajin and Tosen effortlessly with one arm. Sajin alone tossed a Fraccion the size of a skyscraper. This makes Kenpachi stronger than both Pain and Kisame.

Naruto is the weakest of the Shounen Trinity consisting of itself, Bleach, and One Piece. By alot.

Kenpachi has shown to effortlessly cut buildings in half without even touching them, he has more defensive power than anyone here, and is also quite fast, able to dodge Tosen's attacks from feeling the blade touch his Haori.


Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. No they aren't lol.

2.

http://onemanga.com/Bleach/113/06/
http://onemanga.com/Bleach/113/07/

And here is a fun fact, when Ichigo and Kenny clashed, they knocked down several more buildings.

http://onemanga.com/Bleach/113/14-15/


You're so sexy that it brings a tear to my eye. cry


Also, I forgot about out uberly awesome Kenpachi was. He's my fav. cry

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^an idiot faltering on his own words and calling other people an idiot is wel............an idiot. the fact that he is a fanboy orgasming over bleach just makes it unbearably annoying. LN is compared to the CENTRAL area of soul society which contains the bigger buildings and dome. it ISNT as big as all of soul society, or were u not paying attention. you obviously also have serious sigh issues, as you cant compare frames or comparitive size. the explosion{largest in bleach history btw} was not bigger than loch ness, it was further away, but not bigger. nor was its height ANYTHING compareable to diedara's suicide, then im afraid you and i have nothing more to talk about and you can continue fawning and masturbating over bleach all you want. that explosion made all the mountiain ranges around it look like little ants scurrying. it had a pure destruction zone of over 20 miles, just fo comparison, that of a 5 megaton nuke is around 8 miles. and its shockwaves were seen from the upper atmosphere as they dispersed. and ofcourse, the cero which killed him was at the TOP of LN and it was significantly stronger than the structure. now stop insulting people for no reason other than your wet dreams of riding ichigo you braindead dickhead.


No, Las Noches is much larger that Konoha. It is rediculously huge.

Ichigo and the others were running for hours and the size of the building didn't change, in the distance. Ichigo thought it was an illusion at first, then the arrancar explained that it was just huge.

I would make it the size of a very large city and taller than almost any skyscraper.

Originally posted by Peach
Leon, that language and the namecalling is not acceptable. That is a warning, and the next time I see it from you will be a ban.

so calling sum1, delusional, and idiot or sum1's examples shitty is acceptable to you, when i didnt do anything to provoke it? i dont liek double standards and he started it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, Las Noches is much larger that Konoha. It is rediculously huge.

Ichigo and the others were running for hours and the size of the building didn't change, in the distance. Ichigo thought it was an illusion at first, then the arrancar explained that it was just huge.

I would make it the size of a very large city and taller than almost any skyscraper.

what makes you say that? konoha is large even compared to the mountain range around it on which the hokage's faces are carved. and if your compared las noches to the whole soul society, dont. its only slighltly larger than the MIDDLE of the soul society where the dome and the executing blade is.