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Roronoa Zoro

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Rurouni Kenshin

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Kenshin is probably faster but Zoro wouldn't be killed in one hit unless Kenshin was trying to kill him.

I'd say Zoro wins more times than not. He only needs one strike to finish it and he's not dramatically outclassed in speed.

Kenshin may be too fast for him..

However it may take several hits for Kenshin to be victorious

Kenshin 8/10

Zoro punches Kenshin and kills him.

Fvck his swords.

Kenshin. Too fast.

Zoro's cut through brick walls and cement. Has Kenshin done anything like that?

Zoro takes this easily. Stronger, faster, more durable Zoro has all the advantages.

Originally posted by OgreMan
Zoro takes this easily. Stronger, faster, more durable Zoro has all the advantages.

What's his best speed feat?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What's his best speed feat?

You ever see his fights with Kaku or Ryuuma?

Kenshin has Godlike speed and in many of his fights appears invisible cuz of his speed. See his fight vs Soujiro. Both he and Kenshin literally vanished cuz they were moving so fast.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Kenshin has Godlike speed and in many of his fights appears invisible cuz of his speed. See his fight vs Soujiro. Both he and Kenshin literally vanished cuz they were moving so fast. Hahaha read some One Piece.

Kaku is faster than either of them, and Zoro fought and defeated him.

Then there is the fact that Kenshin's sword could not so much as physically harm Zoro.

Brick walls and cement? Zoro can cut straight through steel.

Kaku could shit on Kenshin by himself, let alone Zoro.

Seriously Zoro wins this easily

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Hahaha read some One Piece.

Kaku is faster than either of them, and Zoro fought and defeated him.

Then there is the fact that Kenshin's sword could not so much as physically harm Zoro.

Brick walls and cement? Zoro can cut straight through steel.

Meh. True i had no idea who this guy was in the first place.

Zoro everytime..

Zoro is at least a dozen times the speed of sound, he runs rings around Kenshin and could kill him with one blow

Hey Endless Mike, what is your opinion on Zoro dodging Kuma's attacks out of curiosity?

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Hey Endless Mike, what is your opinion on Zoro dodging Kuma's attacks out of curiosity? Hey are we talking about now or in the thriller bark arc

Zoro has held up a building with a single hand, and several of his attacks cause him to move, attack, and sheathe his sword before anyone even knows he's moved. He is faster than Kenshin, and much stronger and more durable. He wins, period.

Originally posted by IppoDLuffy
Hey are we talking about now or in the thriller bark arc I am talking about when Zoro dodged like a hundred of Kuma's blasts.

Zoro has the Power,Endurance but from what I hear of Keshin he has more speed than Zoro,but I think Zoro wins this.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
I am talking about when Zoro dodged like a hundred of Kuma's blasts. Oh well i thought it was retarded but hey I am a Kuma fanboy cause he is so badass

And Kuma's blast supposedly move at the speed of light, and Zoro dodged them.

Originally posted by KingD19
And Kuma's blast supposedly move at the speed of light, and Zoro dodged them. Zoro is fast but, not as fast as light.

That is why I am asking.

I hope either:

A. Kuma's blasts are not lightspeed and it was just hyperbole.

B. He dodged Kuma's aim.

Otherwise, Mihawk, Whitebeard, and Shanks are FTL, and Kizaru's Devil Fruit is redundant.

I consider Kuma's attacks moving at lightspeed to be hyperbole, not to mention it seemed that most of them were aimdodging

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I consider Kuma's attacks moving at lightspeed to be hyperbole, not to mention it seemed that most of them were aimdodging Yeah, I agree with this. Zoro having lightspeed reflexes would be retarded.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Hahaha read some One Piece.

Kaku is faster than either of them, and Zoro fought and defeated him.

Then there is the fact that Kenshin's sword could not so much as physically harm Zoro.

Brick walls and cement? Zoro can cut straight through steel.

At the Kyoto Genocide Arch,when the trio finds the ship,Saito asks Kenshin: "Can you perform Zantetsuken(iron cutting technique) ?"
Kenshin: Only on the part out of the water.
(if it can cut iron it can cut Zoro's flesh like butter)

And regarding Kenshin's speed: when the trio is inside the true hideout of Shishio, at Kenshin's duel with Shinomori Aoshi, Komagata Yumi(Shishio's sidekick women) was reporting the battle:
".....the final blow was...... to fast to see". eye's look at light speed, and for a blow to not be seen, it must be even FASTER, godspeed is no pun-intended.
Kenshin would kick zoro's ass. thought it would be a match to remember.

Sure...only, Zoro can do all those things much more effectively. Don't get me wrong, I like Kenshin, he's a major badass, but Zoro is just stupid strong/fast/etc.

Originally posted by Danielnoctis
At the Kyoto Genocide Arch,when the trio finds the ship,Saito asks Kenshin: "Can you perform Zantetsuken(iron cutting technique) ?"
Kenshin: Only on the part out of the water.
(if it can cut iron it can cut Zoro's flesh like butter)

And regarding Kenshin's speed: when the trio is inside the true hideout of Shishio, at Kenshin's duel with Shinomori Aoshi, Komagata Yumi(Shishio's sidekick women) was reporting the battle:
".....the final blow was...... to fast to see". eye's look at light speed, and for a blow to not be seen, it must be even FASTER, godspeed is no pun-intended.
Kenshin would kick zoro's ass. thought it would be a match to remember.
Too bad Zoro can cut STEEL instead of weak iron.
And Kenshin's godspeed = the speed of light?
That must mean Sojiro must have been even faster than that.

Originally posted by Jugglenaut
Too bad Zoro can cut STEEL instead of weak iron.
And Kenshin's godspeed = the speed of light?
That must mean Sojiro must have been even faster than that.

What do you mean weak iron? It was a warship's metal composition for f*ck sake, way more stornger then the chains Zoro cutted.

Do you know what godspeed stands for? It means an unreachable speed, gods are gods their speed is supposed to be faster then anyone can imagine or any of this universe's stuff can reach.

Plus One Piece is a bit more fictional then Rurouni Kenshin, Kenshin master even reminds Kenshin that:"your only human".
Also in One piece there are some inconsistencies, you see, when Zoro fought Baroque Works he vanished from the roof and stood there watching as the others in a heartbeat, but then when they were attacking him he seemed at problems at times, and even said himself that some attacks he barely dodged.How can you not be seen jumping from a roof but have a bit of problems when it comes to dodge the attacks coming from the same enemies?

Kenshin has way more experience, he's like a legend and in his world there is no one better then him, he actually struggles if he can keep fighting with the Sakabato and without turning to the Battosai. He does all that "handicap" and is still the best in his world. Measure his strength and talent now.

Iron is structurally weaker than iron, that's a scientific fact. It doesn't matter what it's used for, if you make two identical items out of iron and steel, the iron will be weaker.

Godspeed is clearly a hyperbole, since you yourself made it clear that Kenshin is only human. His speed is very impressive for that fact, but since there were never any gods apparent in the series, we can't really challenge the godspeed theory.

Being in a more fictional world does not debunk Zoro's skills. There are some inconsistencies, but they outnumbered by a large amount of consistent, high-end strength, speed, and durability feats. Also, it's very easy to jump from a roof and not be noticed if people aren't really paying much attention to you. And simply jumping off a roof is not the same as attacking and defending from a mob. It takes a lot more concentration to be able to pay attention to your surroundings against such a large number of people. The fact he managed to defeat them all is impressive. I don't recall Kenshin facing that many foes at once before.

Sure, I could see Kenshin having more experience, but Zoro isn't some static swordsman. He's learning the more he goes along. Think about this: early Zoro faced off with the best swordsman of the One Piece universe, and survived. He's only gotten better since that time.

Also, Battosai is nothing more than Kenshin bloodlusted. It actually hurts his skills when he's given in to his "Battosai" personality.

Again, I like Kenshin Himura a lot. It was one of the first animes I used to watch, and he's a ral badass. However, Roronoa Zoro has faced much more powerful enemies and survived or surpassed them. Even with his legendary speed, he's outclassed.

I know iron is weaker but Zantetsuken is just the name of the feat, they never really told that the ship was made of iron, that's why I said *metal compound* and it's a war ship, therefore it makes sense that it was made of a metal composition and no single metal alone.(actually it's almost impossible to have a battle ship made by a single type of metal)
Rurouni Kenshin's world is the same as ours => same gods., but then again no one has seen a God to tell the speed, I know it's hyperbole, but it's meant to give you the idea of the impossible, like there's no living thing faster then a God I presume.Can anyone name a faster thing?

As for the jump: they were talking to him a sec ago,and went mental when they didn't see him the next sec, jumping from a roof is fine... but Zoro even stood there among their lines and not being seen by 200 eyes which were constantly watching at you a sec ago is, you know bullsh*t, you just can't cover the angle if your not fast enough someone's bound to see you, right?

Also the fact that you said it's harder to fight numerous people at once(they have crap skills)keep in mind that you are that strong, then vanishing in front of 200 eyes is ironic. Y?
well except of the obvious, there really is only 4-5 people who can actually harm you at a time, and let's not forget that almost half of the 100 pirate hunters killed themselves because Zoro ducked and they shot each other. Also Zoro fought in a advantageous terrain, a city-like one inside buildings and out, whereas Himura Kenshin used to fight in an open-ended battle field.And in a battlefield there's more then 100 attackers,(remember when he taught Yahiko how to fight several enemies?)
kenshin uses a Sakabato which slows his drawing and swinging time, and needs way more knowledge and talent to bear the crossing with a cutting edge(right angle and momentum)
Zoro survived the best swordsmen because he proved himself to be one hell of a man with a will to defeat flesh-wounds, it was a mere approvement of his skills from that best swordsman,'cos he clearly let him live at that point.Overall:
Zoro covers a wider sector,has unusual attack patterns(carries a sword in his mouth all right?) has a lot more endurance(though he's still human himself), I guess more shear strength then Kenshin too, can make some badass stunts.They both have iron-bending will.
But is out-classed by kenshin because: kenshin can read his moves,kenshin has more experience(i can't stress this enough), three swords don't necessarily beat one, presumably Kenshin is faster.

Originally posted by Jugglenaut
Too bad Zoro can cut STEEL instead of weak iron.
And Kenshin's godspeed = the speed of light?
That must mean Sojiro must have been even faster than that.
Yep, faster. Soujiro and later Kenshin too in the same fight moved with *super* god-like speed.

Originally posted by Danielnoctis


Do you know what godspeed stands for? It means an unreachable speed, gods are gods their speed is supposed to be faster then anyone can imagine or any of this universe's stuff can reach.


Holy shit, more hyperbole wankage.

Originally posted by Jugglenaut
Holy shit, more hyperbole wankage.
Let me get this straight:
What do you want instead? If stuff isn't hyperbolic in action flicks, it'd be f*cking boring.you wouldn't see buildings crumbling from punches,bullets cut in half,you get the picture. Instead you'd see how Juanito betrayed Magdalena. XD

That isn't what hyperbole is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole

Originally posted by Nephthys
That isn't what hyperbole is.



The fact that some dumbass actually searched wikipedea for that stuff is what's so funny

And again, what do you think hyperbole is smartass?
Don't disgrace yourself,read what you post, don't just copy/paste the link.

That is unnecessary bashing on someone you weren't even debating with. Reported.

Originally posted by Danielnoctis
The fact that some dumbass actually searched wikipedea for that stuff is what's so funny

And again, what do you think hyperbole is smartass?
Don't disgrace yourself,read what you post, don't just copy/paste the link.


Quit the bashing. Now. Keep it up and it's a warning.

Why, becuase I spent the whole 30 seconds to navigate my bookmarks, type in 'hyperbole' and copy/paste? Jesus I'm sad.



Maybe you should think before you post, you'll survive longer here.

Hyperbole- 'an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, such as 'the silence stretched an eternity' or similar exaggerations. From the dictionary.

What hyperbole is not is a factual event that the reader can witness him/herself, like what you think it is.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Why, becuase I spent the whole 30 seconds to navigate my bookmarks, type in 'hyperbole' and copy/paste? Jesus I'm sad.



Maybe you should think before you post, you'll survive longer here.

Hyperbole- 'an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, such as 'the silence stretched an eternity' or similar exaggerations. From the dictionary.

What hyperbole is not is a factual event that the reader can witness him/herself, like what you think it is.
It's because you came up with a "googled" answer acting all proud and stuff and you didn't realize you were off topic.
Hyperbole isn't meant to be taken literally on daily life.
Don't manipulate the meaning of what I said.

I never said I can witness godspeed from a human or buildings crumbling from sword swings in my world. but in THEIR world those are facts. When you see Zoro cut the chains of marines ships or a tower vertically in half that is exactly what has happened in their world. The deeds done by a character it's a measure of his strength, hence the comparison begins.

This guy claimed human beings can perceive lightspeed.

He's clearly an idiot and should be ignored.

Originally posted by NemeBro
This guy claimed human beings can perceive lightspeed.

He's clearly an idiot and should be ignored.

Can't read prick?

Just because he is one doesn't give you the right to respond in kind. I'm not going to report this since it was provoked, but you should both practice civility. Especially you, Bro. You just got back from a banning, didn't you?

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Just because he is one doesn't give you the right to respond in kind. I'm not going to report this since it was provoked, but you should both practice civility. Especially you, Bro. You just got back from a banning, didn't you?

All in a day's work smoke

Originally posted by Danielnoctis
Can't read prick? I very well can read and with your ignorant claim that Kenshi is lightspeed or faster you are clearly exactly what I called you.

You have shit knowledge on either characters.

First of all.

Kenshin swinging his sword as hard as he can with the sharp edge would not even be any trouble for Zoro, he is too durable.

Zoro is far stronger physically, this cannot be debated.

Kenshin's best feats are bullet-timing, and even then he is not fast enough to dodge large amounts of gun-fire, the mobster who fired a gatling gun at Kenshin would have killed him if his gun was not sabotaged. Bullet-timing has been in OPverse for...Well since like chapter five or six. Luffy from the top of a marine base was able to intercept bullets shot at Koby and Zoro, who were at ground level. Yeah, Zoro, Luffy, and the like are much faster than that now. By "FEATS," not titles, Zoro is faster.

As for more experienced...How do you figure? Zoro is a little younger than Kenshin, sure, but he has been hunting pirates and has fought numerous powerful opponents for years. He has faced a wider variety of opponents than Kenshin can claim to have.

Zoro wins, without his swords.

Bring Zoro and his swords, Kenshin would simply f*ck him up.when it comes to sword fights(especially katana ones) a single swing goes a long way, maybe it can even end the duel but that would be what? un-cinematic?
at the gatling-gun Kenshin was still at a time where not being the Battousai affected his performance greatly, had fought before(2 enemies) one being Aoi.
to disappear right in front of trained opponent eyes while running is a feat coming straight out of fantasy, it's not like: you don't see bullets flying most of the time too.That's because given a bullet's size is that small it's virtually impossible to see it when adding it's speed, but when it comes to human body, not even super sonic speed can render it invisible. there's just too much mass.So you need a much higher speed.

Have you forgotten what Kenshin learned from his master the passing technique? there were two techniques he learned. Namely the first technique,Ku-zu-ryu-sen consisted on Kenshin hitting nine vital spots simultaneously. Now to do something close to that Zoro has that technique he does where he's supposedly wielding nine katanas simultaneously. So practically Zoro uses three katanas in order to hit 9 spots simultaneously whereas Kenshin uses a single one to do the same.

Now to achieve such a speed you need to be really strong physically. And don't think about Zoro as a tank, he's just human himself. When he attacked his own legs(from Mr. 3 wax technique) he was "handicapped" immediately. And remember, he was in a stance where he couldn't cut the wax (which was as hard as steel they say) so that means zoro's flesh isn't as durable as steel, Kenshin could cut steel even with his former Sakabato. So if Kenshin strikes ONE of Zoro's vitals is over.
Zoro is 19 years old, whereas Kenshin is 28. talk now...

Originally posted by Danielnoctis
Bring Zoro and his swords, Kenshin would simply f*ck him up.when it comes to sword fights(especially katana ones) a single swing goes a long way, maybe it can even end the duel but that would be what? un-cinematic?
at the gatling-gun Kenshin was still at a time where not being the Battousai affected his performance greatly, had fought before(2 enemies) one being Aoi.
to disappear right in front of trained opponent eyes while running is a feat coming straight out of fantasy, it's not like: you don't see bullets flying most of the time too.That's because given a bullet's size is that small it's virtually impossible to see it when adding it's speed, but when it comes to human body, not even super sonic speed can render it invisible. there's just too much mass.So you need a much higher speed.

Have you forgotten what Kenshin learned from his master the passing technique? there were two techniques he learned. Namely the first technique,Ku-zu-ryu-sen consisted on Kenshin hitting nine vital spots simultaneously. Now to do something close to that Zoro has that technique he does where he's supposedly wielding nine katanas simultaneously. So practically Zoro uses three katanas in order to hit 9 spots simultaneously whereas Kenshin uses a single one to do the same.

Now to achieve such a speed you need to be really strong physically. And don't think about Zoro as a tank, he's just human himself. When he attacked his own legs(from Mr. 3 wax technique) he was "handicapped" immediately. And remember, he was in a stance where he couldn't cut the wax (which was as hard as steel they say) so that means zoro's flesh isn't as durable as steel, Kenshin could cut steel even with his former Sakabato. So if Kenshin strikes ONE of Zoro's vitals is over.
Zoro is 19 years old, whereas Kenshin is 28. talk now... 1. Simply...Fvck him up? Despite the fact that any and all objective evidence says otherwise? Kenshin swinging his sword full strength with the sharp edge could not kill Zoro, no matter where he swings. Zoro with a quick punch to any part of Kenshin's body will end this battle, crippling him.

2. He was not crippled by those enemies. The first guy only landed like a few punches, and Aoshi only gave him superficial wounds. It is true that he is faster now, but nowhere near as fast as Zoro, reactions especially. Not even supersonic speed can render a human invisible? Haha prove this statement. The most widely accepted speed for a human to be invisible is around 200 miles per hour. Slower than a bullet in other words. Also, any CP9 agent is faster than the eye can see, and Zoro beat their second strongest agent.

3. "Simultaneously" is relative. Also unquantifiable in this case. Provide quantifiable feats. Since by those, Zoro is much faster.

4. Right, because it is not like Oda confirmed that the Straw Hats get progressively more powerful as the arcs go one. Wait! He did! When did Kenshin cut steel? Zoro on the other hand cut Kuma, who is harder than steel. Oh, and as for durability, did you not see when Zoro survived Kuma's Ursa Shock, and was still standing? Yeah. No Kenshin character is taking out Zoro, hell, he can take out Kenshin's master with ease, even using his bare hands. Zoro only "human?" You clearly are not aware of the physical capabilities of a normal human, Zoro exceeds them in every way, hell, it is a well known fact that Zoro has superhuman durability and endurance. One strike is not going to deter Zoro, especially considering Zoro is much faster and not going to be hit.

5. Kenshin has spent his days fighting relatively normal samurai, with very little variety. Zoro has fought lightning elementals, cyborgs, zombies, other samurai, etc. Zoro has more experience in his short life.

Kenshin wouldn't even make it out of the East Blue(not including Mihawk in this), let alone hope to step up to some of the people Zoro fought on the Grand Line. Zoro nukes Kenshin and pretty much everyone else in the Kenshinverse without breaking much of a sweat.

All "evidences" state otherwise simply because you don't stop to think and 'cos your not very able to, even when you try.

You simply measure the battle dimensions and then take it for granted,while overlooking "minor details" which actually tell more.
In terms of human as in our world, of course Zoro isn't. Hell no character who can do inhuman feats is. But Zoro has never eaten a Devil Fruit so he remains human at least as for endurance. i know Zoro can cut steel I'm not arguing that, my point is Zoro's flesh is weaker then steel and also Zoro doesn't stand in fire line like Luffy does, he either dodges or blocks gunfire meaning that a single one can damage/cut him, and if Kenshin's never seen to cut steel, well he HAS cut swords and weapons and as I've said previously Kenshin admits to be able to perform Znatetsuken.(he wouldn't lie in the circumstance they were because the plan would depend on it)He also admits to only be able to do so on the part above the sea so that means he has done it beforehand.

Just because the audience doesn't see the character doesn't mean that he is faster then eyes,it's commonly done to emphasize speed.(like in boxing animes and such.)Even Usopp escaped some of the CP9 agents attacks just by running or ducking cowradly sometimes.Nami even beats one. But when a character in the same universe admits to not be able to see someone it's another story.

And no human can become invisible in 200 miles per hours, that's ridiculous. go google fastest cars and you'll see what I mean.

In reactions kenshin is even faster then moving, that's fact, at first kenshin couldn't match the speed of Sojiro, he couldn't even see him but he could defend against him.and Kenshin's trick of foreseeing attacks based on emotions didn't work with Sojiro so it was pure reflexes and reaction to them.

How the heck can simultaneously be relative?More than one attack it's either simultaneous or it's consecutive.Period. And speed is quantifiable in itself: If I can hit 9 targets simultaneously with a SINGLE sword, and you need 3(I take for granted that additional arms and heads were illusional) to do the same who's faster?
Even the act itself of wielding a sword in your mouth means that you compensate your lack of speed and combos with a third sword.(the opposite would be if you were that bad-ass you could kill every single opponent as say, *single handed, right?) That would directly mean your faster,stronger and more skillful then if you required to wield 3 in order to do so.
It's like that little girl who always used to beat Zoro. If you have better attributes then your opponent, you'll beat him no matter how much swords he wields.

The one who landed those punches didn't simply gave kenshin bruises, they were "gentle fist" attacks so to speak 'cos kenshin didn't bleed and he didn't feel them right away but they bruised a few sec. afterwards. Kenpo, the style he used is a soft martial art itself.And attacks that bruise you that quick and without first turning the spot red mean that the organ has been attacked internally and not on impact, which is very dangerous. Kenshin had to defend against Aoshi with his saya, again weakening his fighting style.(battojutsu relies almost solely on the saya mechanics in order to perform any knid of draw-cutting)Kenshin also got some wounds that were right in the middle of the chest thus preventing a swordsman to swing effortlessly.

The fact that Kenshin has defeated so much samurais who depending on their squadron had completely different styles means that kenshin has been able to wittiness all different sorts of katana attacks,styles and wielding positions, thus allowing Kenshin to know almost everything there is to know about a katana and thus making his katana much more valuable and versatile,see firsthand what works and what doesn't, and use different attacks on different circumstances. Zoro, on the other hand has defeated a lot of variation but very little fighters with katanas.(Not just any swords, katanas because swordsmen with different types of swords can not acquire and thus benefit by attacks and stances from each other)

*Note: I'm NOT saying anyone in Kenshinverse does that.It was meant for emphasize.

Originally posted by Danielnoctis
i know Zoro can cut steel I'm not arguing that, my point is Zoro's flesh is weaker then steel and also Zoro doesn't stand in fire line like Luffy does, he either dodges or blocks gunfire meaning that a single one can damage/cut him, and if Kenshin's never seen to cut steel, well he HAS cut swords and weapons and as I've said previously Kenshin admits to be able to perform Znatetsuken.(he wouldn't lie in the circumstance they were because the plan would depend on it)He also admits to only be able to do so on the part above the sea so that means he has done it beforehand.
Jeebus, that's one hell of a run-on sentence. Anyways, In-regards to Mr. 3's tech that had him, Nami, and Vivi trapped:

1. He was buried in the wax almost to his calves. Simple sword slashes wouldn't have gotten him free from that much thick wax.

2. He wasn't positioned at the edge which would've let him use slashes, anyway. He'd have to use nothing but stabs and that would've taken too long and he'd have been turned into a wax statue, regardless.

3. Going off what I just stated above, Zoro, along with Dorry(I think it was?), wanted to fight right away and the only to do that was to hack his feet off because any other method would've taken way too long.

4. Zoro couldn't cut steel at that point in time. He wasn't able to until the Mr. 1 fight in Alabasta.


Yeah, due to some severe PIS. It's no different from Kenshin out-right losing to Soujiro, Shishio, and Enishi and then the plot steps in and hands him wins.


BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT! WRONG!

Soujiro landed a strike on Kenshin's back like two steps before Shinkuchi and said that he had planned to kill Kenshin with that strike, but then plot stepped in and all of the sudden Soujiro's emotions started coming back. That case of PIS is almost as bad as Shishio pretty much beating Kenshin and not killing him whne he went down the first time before the others tried to take Shishio out.


Kuina was older and bigger than Zoro back then along with training with swords longer.


Aoshi only did that once and every other time he punched Kenshin, there was an immediate reaction and blood. Also, you need to remember to mention the person's name you're talking about because I had no clue who the hell you were even referencing til further down the paragraph.


How is this relevent to him somehow beating Zoro?


None of those samurai were as strong or as fast as Zoro and Kenshin couldn't handle Enishi's Wattojutsu in either of their fights for the most part.


Completely irrelevent. Zoro's fought guys that would one-shot Kenshin.

For every special technique Kenshin posesses, Zoro has one that is much better, and cooler. And will kill Kenshin in one hit. And BTW, if Mihawk cutting him clean down the middle only ko'd Zoro, and he can lose 5 liters of blood(we only have 8) and keep fighting, Kenshin's goin down.

Most of your answers simply add prescriptions to my post and don't argue against them.
The first one: Hacking his feet instead of the wax proves to things:
1-Zoro's flesh is weaker then steel.
2-Zoro wasn't that accurate with his sword strikes back then.
(And Zoro was able to cut steel before fighting Mr.1, he cut the marines ship's chains back in that "dragon who didn't remember" arc.)

The second one:You just don't know what to say, am I right?Keep in mind that the plot doesn't just happen, the producer always comes up with an explanation or a situation which can lead in the character's victory, not a "well he's the hero he gotta save the day." Also don't mistake Kenshin with Nami, Kenshin simply won because he understands and reads the "patterns" of the enemies, so to speak.You might see Kenshin in deep shit, but that's temporary because he hasn't caught "the catch" of his adversary yet.Once he has, he thinks of a countering attack and that's it. Whereas Nami doesn't even know the basics of a battle, she can't read patterns,she can't protect herself so if she won that's primary the CP9 agent's fault.

The third:
Shishio was a swordsman not a douche to stab Kenshin when he was down. Also kenshin hadn't shown his new moves yet so kenshin had some tricks up his sleeve reserved. Also laying down was a temporary state, you don't know, Kenshin might have woke up due to his awareness even if Shishio did approach to stab him.

And don't take the PIS for granted, in a fight whoever is the better wins.Unless someone suicides that is. Leaving emotions out of battle is also part of a better fighter. So even if you're stronger, the moment your emotions get in the way, I become a stronger fighter then you.

Kuina being older,bigger and having more experience in swords were exactly the attributes I was refereeing to when comparing a single-sword wielder vs. a multi-sword one. You just felt for yourself.

Next: The one who punched Kenshin with "gentle fist" like technique wasn't Aoi,it was that guy form Oniwabanshu former group, the one with the Demon mask and a blouse with red&black stripes. You should recheck your sources.

How is it relevant? For starters it's meant to give everyone who thinks of Kenshin as a wussy with no endurance compared to Zoro a raw example of Kenshin's endurance.Second: Kenshin's ability to adapt into different situations, be they wounds,sword's and style's broken mechanics etc. Give more thoughts when replying.

Note that I never said they even were a match for Zoro to begin with, my point was that when Kenshin beat those samurais he acquired more knowledge on how to manage the Katana.They helped in making Kenshin full-fledged. So even samurais of low level were taught styles and stances depending on their squadron, i.e: kenshin knows how to deflect and counter Saito's Shisengumi-esque dash because Kenshin has seen it beforehand. He might even perform something close to that if need be because he was given the chance to see it. Same thing happened with the policemen in the beginning(you know the one where you put your Katana above your head) etc.

That's quite a bold statement and irrelevant as ****, something like that was never witnessed. You've got troubles backing my posts even with Zoro, let alone the other who'll get forget after an episode or two.

And when you want to reply back to my post you should try to bring all of my topics down, not just the one you think are "negotiable".

Originally posted by Danielnoctis
Most of your answers simply add prescriptions to my post and don't argue against them.
The first one: Hacking his feet instead of the wax proves to things:
1-Zoro's flesh is weaker then steel.
2-Zoro wasn't that accurate with his sword strikes back then.
(And Zoro was able to cut steel before fighting Mr.1, he cut the marines ship's chains back in that "dragon who didn't remember" arc.)
1. No duh. He'd been cut many times long before they got to that island.

2. He is accurate with his strikes. IT'S JUST THAT IT'D TAKE LONGER FOR HIM TO TRY AND CUT THROUGH THE WAX THAN IT WOULD BE TO CUT THROUGH HIS LEGS! Does that simple concept make sense?

And why the hell are you using filler from the anime? Zoro didn't cut steel til the Mr. 1 fight. Point blank, end of story.


Are you serious? Have you even read the Kenshin manga? His predicting abilities failed against Soujiro, Shishio, and Enishi. All three had perfect opprotunities to kill him yet they didn't because of some severe PIS. Soujiro, Enishi, and Hoji(Shishio fight) all mentioned this at those exact moments how easy it would've been to kill Kenshin. Go and read the damn manga before trying to talk about that which you obviously don't understand.


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HE WAS COMPLETELY OUT OF IT! That's why Aoshi attacked Shishio after Saito and Sano failed because it bought him time to recover! Shishio even mentions it himself after saying how weak Aoshi's Kaiten Kenbu Rouruken was!


In the real world, we call it hysterically bad writing.


She was older and bigger than a Zoro WHO HAD NEVER TRAINED BEFORE! That's completely different from adult Zoro who's spent years creating and perfecting his own three-sword style. You still have no point and I'm in awe of you trying to keep this "argument" going.


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Hanya never used any sort of "gentle fist" against Kenshin. He was punching and backhanding him in the head before breaking out his crappy Wolverine claws. READ. THE. MANGA.


The worst battle injury Kenshin suffered throughout the manga(Kofuku Zettosei, I think the attack was called Enishi), Zoro suffered it during Sanji's introductory arc. And then he went on to get carved up by Mr. 1 and lose nearly ALL OF HIS BLOOD. And that's just Alabasta, which was over 300 chapters ago. Kenshin *is* a wuss compared to Zoro in the endurance department. The ONLY time Kenshin showed any sort of adaptation during a fight was the first Aoshi fight when he switched his grip to the holding the blade itself to shrink the katana's blind spot against Aoshi's kodachi and he never did again after that.


And all that doesn't help Kenshin against Zoro because he will be dead before he even sees Zoro attempt a strike.


Yeah, it's kinda hard to remember the guy proclaimed as "the Greatest Swordsman in the World", an Octopus fish-man, a guy who's entire body can turn into sharpened steel, the second-best fighter in the CP9 who's also a giraffe-man, and a zombie implanted with the shadow of a perverted skeleton.


"Negotiable"? Dude, I've killed every single point you've attempted to bring up. You haven't even read the Kenshin manga(or even One Piece from the looks of things), so you have no room to try and talk liek you know something.

Zoro for the easy win.