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Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance.

Excellent.

USA! USA! USA!

Kid Rock - founder and CEO for ObamaWatch.com.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Kid Rock - founder and CEO for ObamaWatch.com. haha

I'm seriously beginning to think he has a fetish for Obama blacksnake.

Well it certainly is a change from years of reading "LOLOLOLOLBUSHIZDA ITIODS!!! zOMG!" here on KMC.

As for the veterans...well, they voted for Obama so....meh.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Kid Rock - founder and CEO for ObamaWatch.com.

Originally posted by jaden101
I'm seriously beginning to think he has a fetish for Obama blacksnake.

I like how neither one of you cared to address Obama's plans to make wounded veterans pay for their own healthcare, but instead attack someone pointing it out.

What a shit country we live in.

You live in a democracy. You picked your leadership, therefore you deserve the leadership you pick.
And if you didn't vote for him, majority of your country has, therefore whoever has a problem needs to deal with it for the next four years.

Organise anti-Obama protest or something, or if you don't own ObamaWatch.com, you should get it, then post all shitty things Obama does there.

Disabled veterans - there are millions and millions of them all around the globe made disabled by American policy. They have noone to complain to.

Alternatively you can move to the oldest democracy in the world - India.

You can even blog on ObamaWatch from there. They have excellent internet connection there, you know.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You live in a democracy.
You picked your leadership, therefore you deserve the leadership you pick.
And if you didn't vote for him, majority of your country has, therefore whoever has a problem needs to deal with it for the next four years.
Organise anti-Obama protest or something, or if you don't own ObamaWatch.com, you should get it, then post all shitty things Obama does there.
Disabled veterans - there are millions of them all around the globe made disabled by American policy. They have noone to complain to.

Alternatively you can move to the oldest democracy in the world - India.

You can even blog on ObamaWatch from there. They have excellent internet connection there, you know.

It's a shame people decide to joke and laugh while the leader of this country decides to leave soldiers out in the dirt to rot with wounds they sustain fighting for this country.

Originally posted by KidRock
It's a shame people decide to joke and laugh while the leader of this country decides to leave soldiers out in the dirt to rot with wounds they sustain fighting for this country.

Har-har-har. You mean wounds sustained while invading other countries for their resources and political and strategic purposes. Administrations risked those people's lives for shitty things, which have nothing to do with fighting for freedoms or whatever.

It's a price you pay for having an Empire. Everyone had to pay it - British, French, Spanish, Ottomans, Saljuks, Mongolians, Romans...

What are we here supposed to do on this forum, if you refuse to organise anti-Obama protest and make a blog about his crapy leadership? Cry?

The best people to complain to is Obama Administration. Which you can do indirectly, through a blog!

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Har-har-har. You mean wounds sustained while invading other countries for their resources and political and strategic purposes.

It's a price you pay for having an Empire. Everyone had to pay it - British, French, Spanish, Ottomans, Saljuks, Mongolians, Romans...



Uhh, what? These soldiers enlisted to defend our country, some did so before there even was a war.

And so you say, "Well they sustained these wounds invading countries for resources and political gain, now they have to pay the price!"

That is what you think of when you hear about an American soldier that lose his leg fighting in a war for this country?

"Too bad, pay the price now."

If you love the veterans so much maybe you should found an organization to support them. Or at least give a nice chunk of donations, time and money, to one that already exists?

Originally posted by KidRock
Uhh, what? These soldiers enlisted to defend our country, some did so before there even was a war.

And so you say, "Well they sustained these wounds invading countries for resources and political gain, now they have to pay the price!"

That is what you think of when you hear about an American soldier that lose his leg fighting in a war for this country?

"Too bad, pay the price now."

Of course they should pay the price. You don't want to be socialist do you?

Originally posted by KidRock
I like how neither one of you cared to address Obama's plans to make wounded veterans pay for their own healthcare, but instead attack someone pointing it out.

What a shit country we live in.

Maybe it has more to do with the fact that out of the 5 threads you've posted on the front page, 4 of them have "Obama" in the title.

As for American vets having to pay for treatment? I couldn't give a shit.

Originally posted by Bardock42
If you love the veterans so much maybe you should found an organization to support them. Or at least give a nice chunk of donations, time and money, to one that already exists?

Who says I dont? That is not the point though, the point is Obama abandoning soldiers that are fighting for this country.



Originally posted by jaden101
Maybe it has more to do with the fact that out of the 5 threads you've posted on the front page, 4 of them have "Obama" in the title.

As for American vets having to pay for treatment? I couldn't give a shit.

Ok, congratulations, you're a degenerate scumbag.

Wow. all this talk of free healthcare by obama and he's charging disabled vets?

O and good job on adressing Kidrock's thread instead of bashing him for bringing up something that doesn't make your messiah look good.

Originally posted by KidRock
Who says I dont? That is not the point though, the point is Obama abandoning soldiers that are fighting for this country.

right, abandoned after they come home from fighting pointless wars where they are injured and killed.

The problem is totally with the veteran care

Originally posted by KidRock
Ok, congratulations, you're a degenerate scumbag.

because he doesn't care about American soldiers? news flash mr rock...

Originally posted by jaden101
Maybe it has more to do with the fact that out of the 5 threads you've posted on the front page, 4 of them have "Obama" in the title.

As for American vets having to pay for treatment? I couldn't give a shit. Every time you type a word in on your computor that you own for the internet that you have the right to pay for and that word is english, thank one of those american vets, shithead. They made your life as cushy as it is and gave you the right to say "i couldn't give a shit" about their sacrifice.

Originally posted by inimalist
right, abandoned after they come home from fighting pointless wars where they are injured and killed.

The problem is totally with the veteran care




War in Afghanistan wasn't pointless..and again this isn't the point. They enlist to fight for our country, no matter the circumstances. They should be supported for serving our country and not have their back turned on by Obama.

Originally posted by inimalist

because he doesn't care about American soldiers? news flash mr rock...

I know he is a filthy Scot and irrelevant to the world, but he's still a scumbag for not giving a shit about dieing soldiers that need help.

Originally posted by KidRock
War in Afghanistan wasn't pointless..and again this isn't the point. They enlist to fight for our country, no matter the circumstances. They should be supported for serving our country and not have their back turned on by Obama.

to everyone who doesn't accept that america owns the world, what you are saying is essentially, "these people deserve to be taken care of for being the militant hand of the global empire."

and ya, war in afghanistan, maybe not pointless, but 100% useless and wrongheaded

Originally posted by KidRock
I know he is a filthy Scot and irrelevant to the world, but he's still a scumbag for not giving a shit about dieing soldiers that need help.

what are your thoughts about wounded members of Hamas or Hezbullah? Should they be supported by their government? do you care?

The Rwandan Hutus who were injured during their massacre of the Tutsi, do they deserve veteran rights?

Originally posted by KidRock
Who says I dont? That is not the point though, the point is Obama abandoning soldiers that are fighting for this country.

Then again if he supported them you would jump on the "SOCIALST OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111" bandwagon.

How so? No one wants me to go to a labor camp and no-one has declared war on the American Government. We seem to have declared war on a military tactic but to say that a group of extremists' views would affect my life, had we not invaded, is simply ridiculous.

Originally posted by inimalist
to everyone who doesn't accept that america owns the world, what you are saying is essentially, "these people deserve to be taken care of for being the militant hand of the global empire."

and ya, war in afghanistan, maybe not pointless, but 100% useless and wrongheaded



No, they deserve to be taken care of because they chose to defend their country. Whether you think the wars are useless or not is irrelevant. If you join the military you ARE fighting and supporting your country and you should get treated by them in exchange.

Originally posted by inimalist

The Rwandan Hutus who were injured during their massacre of the Tutsi, do they deserve veteran rights?

Anyone that joins the military for their country should be taken care of if they sustain wounds while fighting for that country.


Originally posted by Red Nemesis
How so? No one wants me to go to a labor camp and no-one has declared war on the American Government. We seem to have declared war on a military tactic but to say that a group of extremists' views would affect my life, had we not invaded, is simply ridiculous.

And if we had no military? Do you think we would be completely safe and cushy in this country if we had 0 soldiers, pilots, airplanes, ships, bombs? Nobody would want to attack us, right?

Originally posted by KidRock
Anyone that joins the military for their country should be taken care of if they sustain wounds while fighting for that country.

fair enough, at least you are consistent with your beliefs.

Originally posted by KidRock

Ok, congratulations, you're a degenerate scumbag.

Why? Cause i don't give a shit that some American I don't know or give a shit about has to pay for their medical bills? I couldn't give a shit if you have to pay for your medical bills either or any other American for that matter. Doesn't make me a "degenerate scumbag". Just makes me not the kind of person who worries over people i'll never meet or give a shit about.



Evidently you have absolutely no clue of the reasons behind why people in the military fight. Because none ive ever met have ever said it's to do with their country.

Being a soldier isn't even the most dangerous job. You don't hear fishermen whining about not getting free medical care and their job is statistically far more dangerous than being a soldier. They arguably are doing more for their country and their fellow citizens than killing people at some half way around the world.

So kindly shut the **** up and stop being a whiney ***** because the fact is you don't give a shit about the vets either. You simply see this as another Obama beating stick and that makes you a lot worse than me because at least i'm not pretending to give a shit.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Alternatively you can move to the oldest democracy in the world - India.


Wait- you meant biggest, right?

As for this plan- I'd wait until there was something more than pure speculation before I started a critique. In the meanwhile, please keep it civil, folks.

Yeah, it was largest. Dunno where the oldest came from. Thats Iceland...Persia has some claim but Greeks would disagree, cos they gave it a name.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Wow. all this talk of free healthcare by obama and he's charging disabled vets?

O and good job on adressing Kidrock's thread instead of bashing him for bringing up something that doesn't make your messiah look good.

WTF? I don't even like Obama all that much. Anyone who puts all their dreams and hopes into a politician is an idiot.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Every time you type a word in on your computor that you own for the internet that you have the right to pay for and that word is english, thank one of those american vets, shithead. They made your life as cushy as it is and gave you the right to say "i couldn't give a shit" about their sacrifice.

Most hilarious post ever. Seriously. Ever.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Every time you type a word in on your computor that you own for the internet that you have the right to pay for and that word is english, thank one of those american vets, shithead. They made your life as cushy as it is and gave you the right to say "i couldn't give a shit" about their sacrifice.

Yeah. English. I'm glad I have a decent grasp of it, unlike some people, apparently.

Still don't give a **** about American vets.

Originally posted by jaden101

Still don't give a **** about American vets.

That's fine, says a lot about your personality.

"Oh look a fellow human being dieing because his leg got blown off while fighting for his country..who gives a shit? I DONT GUYS! I DONT, LOOK AT ME!"

Your parents must be so proud of you.

Originally posted by KidRock
That's fine, says a lot about your personality.

"Oh look a fellow human being dieing because his leg got blown off while fighting for his country..who gives a shit? I DONT GUYS! I DONT, LOOK AT ME!"

Your parents must be so proud of you.

Are you telling me you care about Iraqi vets who died/are dying/are severely disabled fighting the occupier of their country?

Also, are you sorry for the veterans of Russio-Afghani war? Which vets are you sorry for, the Taliban or the Russians?

Originally posted by KidRock
That's fine, says a lot about your personality.

"Oh look a fellow human being dieing because his leg got blown off while fighting for his country..who gives a shit? I DONT GUYS! I DONT, LOOK AT ME!"

Your parents must be so proud of you.

Did you even bother to read my previous post?

Don't pretend you care about every vet that gets killed and injured whether they're American or another allied country. The fact is you don't. It's no different from me saying that i didn't give a shit when princess Diana was killed. Or that Jade Goody has cancer. I at least know who those people are or were. Some soldier who i've never met and never will. Why should i give a shit? I don't know them. I'll never know them. The fact that they have to pay for their medical bills makes no difference to my life or the lives of anyone i care about. So again i ask, why should i give a shit?

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
How so? No one wants me to go to a labor camp and no-one has declared war on the American Government. We seem to have declared war on a military tactic but to say that a group of extremists' views would affect my life, had we not invaded, is simply ridiculous. i am talking about world war two mainly with that comment. that's what i think of when i hear disabled vets.

however i do think its hypocritical to continuously promise free healthcare and then charge money for those who sacrificed their limbs and put their lives at risk at our command.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
however i do think its hypocritical to continuously promise free healthcare and then charge money for those who sacrificed their limbs and put their lives at risk at our command.

who promised free health care?

Originally posted by KidRock
That's fine, says a lot about your personality.

"Oh look a fellow human being dieing because his leg got blown off while fighting for his country..who gives a shit? I DONT GUYS! I DONT, LOOK AT ME!"

Your parents must be so proud of you.

The hypocrisy runs deep.

Originally posted by inimalist
who promised free health care? obama. i believe "socialized medecine" was one of his campaign promises.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
obama. i believe "socialized medecine" was one of his campaign promises.

ummmm

socialized medicine is very expensive

yes, but they charge other people to pay for people who can't afford treatment.

no, they charge everyone so that everyone can get care, but nice attempt

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
yes, but they charge other people to pay for people who can't afford treatment.

ZOMG! Nationalised healthcare is what shall bring the fall of American nation!

Forget terrorists, crime, poverty, drugs and arms trade, forget fighting wars in pretty much every continent on earth.
Nationalised healthcare will be the death of American nation. Because sponsoring war is so much better than making sure elderly can get medicine!

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Because sponsoring war is so much better than making sure elderly can get medicine!

which those same elderly people are paying taxes for

Originally posted by inimalist
no, they charge everyone so that everyone can get care, but nice attempt YES; in essence, everyone pays, but once again, like so many taxes, the upper class takes the majority of the tab.

then why don't you support the idea that the wealthy no longer have to be so encumbered with the bills of vets?

because, as we all know, the wealthy are the people most hard-done-by under any government policy

lol, and they care about your rights too, their rhetoric of oppression not being a way for them to continue to hold power and influence, but in fact, the cries of the subjugated. They are your brother, man!

Originally posted by inimalist
then why don't you support the idea that the wealthy no longer have to be so encumbered with the bills of vets?

because, as we all know, the wealthy are the people most hard-done-by under any government policy

lol, and they care about your rights too, their rhetoric of oppression not being a way for them to continue to hold power and influence, but in fact, the cries of the subjugated. They are your brother, man!

So what you're saying is that the "socialistic" policy of fairness is actually of benefit to the wealthy?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
ZOMG! Nationalised healthcare is what shall bring the fall of American nation!

Forget terrorists, crime, poverty, drugs and arms trade, forget fighting wars in pretty much every continent on earth.
Nationalised healthcare will be the death of American nation. Because sponsoring war is so much better than making sure elderly can get medicine!

I though that America had already fallen!

Originally posted by inimalist
then why don't you support the idea that the wealthy no longer have to be so encumbered with the bills of vets?

because, as we all know, the wealthy are the people most hard-done-by under any government policy

lol, and they care about your rights too, their rhetoric of oppression not being a way for them to continue to hold power and influence, but in fact, the cries of the subjugated. They are your brother, man! Vets are the only ones who should be covered by socialized medicine as they were wounded on behalf of USA, thus USA owes them a debt.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Vets are the only ones who should be covered by socialized medicine as they were wounded on behalf of USA, thus USA owes them a debt.

I don't agree. I'd say anyone who does anything that involves a benefit to their country and is subject to an accident at work is wounded on behalf of their country.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Vets are the only ones who should be covered by socialized medicine as they were wounded on behalf of USA, thus USA owes them a debt.

What if the war they were part of turns out to be detrimental to the USA?

Why would anyone want to moralize health care?

Originally posted by inimalist




what are your thoughts about wounded members of Hamas or Hezbullah? Should they be supported by their government?



I don't think that's a fair question here...as we know Hamas employs terrorism. Technically more paramilitary and not a well establish army like the US and UK military.

If you change Hamas to Fatah then it would be a more valid question.

(just an observation)

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I don't think that's a fair question here...as we know Hamas employs terrorism. Technically more paramilitary and not a well establish army like the US and UK military.

If you change Hamas to Fatah then it would be a more valid question.

(just an observation)

The US uses shock and awe (TERRORISM).

Mercenary contractors (paramilitary) people are still dying "for their country". The US uses them too.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The US uses shock and awe (TERRORISM).

Mercenary contractors (paramilitary) people are still dying "for their country". The US uses them too.

HUH?!

Mercenaries don't die for the cause of any country. Who told you that fairy tale? They fight for money and recognizition...nothing more.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What if the war they were part of turns out to be detrimental to the USA?

Why would anyone want to moralize health care? y'know, we sent them over, we told them to do dangerous shit and fight and get their limbs blown off, the least we could do is fix the wounds we inflicted upon them.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
y'know, we sent them over, we told them to do dangerous shit and fight and get their limbs blown off, the least we could do is fix the wounds we inflicted upon them.

The US army is currently volunteer, they knew perfectly well they could be placed in danger and besides the US doesn't necessarily owe them a debt (your condition for state funded healthcare) if the war they fought in made things worse for the US.

Mind you I have nothing against socialized healthcare (for vets or otherwise) I just find your process of criteria to be skewed.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Mercenaries don't die for the cause of any country. Who told you that fairy tale? They fight for money and recognizition...nothing more.

They get hired by a country to fight and die for said country's cause, that's all I mean. If soldiers in standard armies deserve recognition then so do mercenaries.

http://www.shodor.org/~isinclair/lolwut.jpg

I'm sorry, mercenary contractors work for money, not for their country and they are not under orders to sacrifice their limbs. We don't owe them a damn thing. Very hilarious, comparing the two, and inaccurate. IT also shows your haphazard and biased view.

As for shock and awe, that's not terrorism, terrorism is literally targeting civilians.

Excuse the wikipedia quote:


Since this doesn't involve trying to kill civilian workers, women, and children, regardless of honor, rules, or previous diplomacy, but instead frightening the enemy military forces into surrender, thus saving lives on both sides.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
I'm sorry, mercenary contractors work for money, not for their country and they are not under orders to sacrifice their limbs. We don't owe them a damn thing. Very hilarious, comparing the two, and inaccurate. IT also shows your haphazard and biased view.

They get hired by a country to fight and die for said country's cause, that's all I mean. If soldiers in standard armies deserve recognition then so do mercenaries.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Since this doesn't involve trying to kill civilian workers, women, and children, regardless of honor, rules, or previous diplomacy, but instead frightening the enemy military forces into surrender, thus saving lives on both sides.

So in other words it's a way of spreading . . . terror? The military can gloss over shock and awe however they like, it's still borders terrorism in my book.

You both seem to missing a point. (If not the point.) Our military is entirely mercenary. 'Our' soldiers are no different from contractors except for the person that writes their check.

its not terrorism as its not targeting civilians. Using a show of arms to make people surrender has been a tactic for years. And Nemesis has a point.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
its not terrorism as its not targeting civilians. Using a show of arms to make people surrender has been a tactic for years.

By your definition not mine. I'm using ya know the actual meaning of TERRORism. It also happens to be the one you would fine as the first definition in a dictionary. The idea that TERRORism has to target civilians is a convenient way of justifying the use of TERROR, nothing more. Obviously targeting non-combatants is reprehensible but it is not a requirement for causing . . . TERROR.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
And Nemesis has a point.

Yes, he does.

I personally think if the government is expected to pay for soldiers, we should also pay for the health care of foreigners whose countries we've ****ed up. Since both were injured because of our government.

wtf....

Yeah its an interesting question, that one earlier:
'Are the people saying that a country is in debt to those who die/ are wounded in it's defense in favor of repairations for those from every nationality that has been defending the US interests...?'

And how owing to Great Britain is America, then for all those freindly fire kills, going all the way back to John Lennon...?

Well all I can say is, you have nationally gotta get out of the habit of electing warhawks starting bullshit wars that you cant sustain every time your economy is in the shit. Sure war does create jobs, and take the public eye off of how badly screwed up your money men have allowed things to get....but its jobs that can get you wounded/killed.
Every country needs its military, and from what Ive heard, the forces seem to be getting shat on royally and thats f**ked up for sure.... but all that patrotism/'I do it for my country' stuff only impresses on domestic soil. Its not like this war was defending that American soil.... Just its business.

So, "look after the troops and stop electing wankers like Bush",
would be what Im saying.
I bet all that military expediature since '03 would look REALLLLL good to your (and subsequently OUR) economy right now.

Give Obama a chance to sort this out/do the right thing regarding the socialised medicine. If he hasnt done shit in say two years, I'll join you in critiquing him, after the promises he has made.

He cant possibly be as much of a c*** as the last guy, can he...?

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Vets are the only ones who should be covered by socialized medicine as they were wounded on behalf of USA, thus USA owes them a debt.

All those who enlisted in the army did so willingly, knowing the possible consiquences.
Anyone who inlists into armed forces without considering the possibility of death or disability is a moron.
So if there is no free healthcare for everyone, why should there be some for those who willingly go into possible deaths.

Save American from socialzzzzm.

In fact, why do you have free schools - that is socialist. The most dangerous of all socialist things that are threatening American way of life.
You should do away with that. Why are rich paying taxes for some poor American to have FREE education when he/she will just end up being poor anyway. Gosh.

And all of those who enlist into the military ALSO know that they get free healthcare. It's one of the incentives that we have to stay in. So if we honored our part of the deal, went and fought in the war and were maimed because of it, why should the government be able to back out of their part of the agreement to take care of the injuries that their policies inflicted?

Originally posted by Kinneary
And all of those who enlist into the military ALSO know that they get free healthcare. It's one of the incentives that we have to stay in. So if we honored our part of the deal, went and fought in the war and were maimed because of it, why should the government be able to back out of their part of the agreement to take care of the injuries that their policies inflicted? If they got it in their contract, they should get it.

Originally posted by Kinneary
And all of those who enlist into the military ALSO know that they get free healthcare.

Sounds to me like the Bush administration shouldn't make promises they can't keep.

thats been a promise since before the bush administration. and we can keep it... How about obama doubling the money in the economy with his stimulus package? kept his promise but sure took the value of the dollar down...

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Sounds to me like the Bush administration shouldn't make promises they can't keep.
That far, far predates the Bush administration.

Originally posted by Kinneary
That far, far predates the Bush administration.

I can believe that. In fact, I am sure that majority of promises/laws predate Bush. Except Patriot Act.

you know what i believe? obama, bush, mcain, palin, bill clinton

ALL SUCK THE SAME.

nothing is going to change ever there will always be either a dishonest man or a stupid man in charge.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
you know what i believe? obama, bush, mcain, palin, bill clinton

ALL SUCK THE SAME.

nothing is going to change ever there will always be either a dishonest man or a stupid man in charge.

If there is to be a complete change, I believe there needs to be a third strong party, or complitely new/fresh faces in the administration.

Although Obama promised change, he just employed all the people from Clinton era...not sure how that will bring about any change when all people in charge are the same.
But whatever. We'll see.

he hasnt done it yet.. probably just rumors to make him look bad.