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See topic. Isaac from the golden sun games vs Cloud from FF7 at their peaks.

Debate.

I have no idea who Isaac is. Some background/feats please?

Also where do I click to set up an avatar? Seriously.

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Game. Isaac honestly wins this, I don't even really feel like pulling up feats and powers and all that.

I like Golden sun and Lost Ages actually for a change of my rather disdain to turn based RPGs. So, I know what goes down.

Looks more destructive than Bahamut Zero even.

And woot I can rep Captain Marvel now.

That attack destroyed like half of the world before it hit their enemies, who were a few feet away, lol.

Originally posted by KingD19
That attack destroyed like half of the world before it hit their enemies, who were a few feet away, lol.

That is actually very true and very funny.

obvious game mechanics are obvious.

You gotta open your narrow minds and see beyond that.

If this move was used and directed just at Cloud, .... thank you.

Honestly, after seeing how half the people drive around here and some one getting me my chinese food, the world is severely lacking in common sense.

Umm, now actually show real feats that aren't just gameplay summons?

And Bahamut Retsu from FF7:CC looks far more powerful then that

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"you show feats"

that's all I ever see.

you show feats.

all cloud has shown is his Omnislash that some reason defeats Sephiroth due to PIS and says "Shut up" a lot.

I like when obvious things, aren't obvious.

It makes you strangely happy and sad to know common sense.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Umm, now actually show real feats that aren't just gameplay summons?

And Bahamut Retsu from FF7:CC looks far more powerful then that

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CC feats means nothing here.

Originally posted by Voyeur
"you show feats"

that's all I ever see.

you show feats.

all cloud has shown is his Omnislash that some reason defeats Sephiroth due to PIS and says "Shut up" a lot.

I like when obvious things, aren't obvious.

It makes you strangely happy and sad to know common sense.

That is what you are supposed to see. Feats help you gauge a characters abilities and stuff.

have you honestly seen any of my other posts Wei? lol -.-

You'd know why I am tired of showing and proving shit. When others never do and their all mighty debating skills are

"(X) character stomps (Y) character. (Z)!!"

Originally posted by Voyeur
have you honestly seen any of my other posts Wei? lol -.-

You'd know why I am tired of showing and proving shit. When others never do and their all mighty debating skills are

"(X) character stomps (Y) character. (Z)!!"

Well I've shown things on Nightmare and everytime I debate when asked. Saying that you are tired of proving shit is saying that you are tired of debating.

Cloud via speedblitz and far greater strength.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Well I've shown things on Nightmare and everytime I debate when asked. Saying that you are tired of proving shit is saying that you are tired of debating.
lol obvious understatement there.

And I don't post videos and say "lol mai charakterz does that =D" unlike some people. ...

I'll show what Isaac can do some other time, feats etc. and just bone with physics and science and common sense, math and all that shit like in other posts concerning Link.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Cloud via speedblitz and far greater strength.
haha proof of like 91% of the people's mental capacity on here and their way of debating.

Isaac would TK the shit out of Cloud, what speed blitz?

^Really robs me of any sense of victory.

FLAME ETHER!!!!!!

End of story.

Show me Isaacs TK outside of gameplay?

Cloud casually cuts apart skyscrapers, dodges and deflects bullets like nothing, and has Omnislash.

If gameplay spells are allowed then Cloud uses Timestop, summons Knights of the round, and mimic-spams 100 Omnislashes.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Show me Isaacs TK outside of gameplay?

Cloud casually cuts apart skyscrapers, dodges and deflects bullets like nothing, and has Omnislash.

If gameplay spells are allowed then Cloud uses Timestop, summons Knights of the round, and mimic-spams 100 Omnislashes.

The bold is fail. You're trying to use AC again, Terry. It's not allowed in the debate.

Everything else is valid for debate.

Umm, no the bold is not fail. Cloud cut huge columns of buildings easier then a hot knife through butter. Fights Loz at the same time deflecting/dodging bullets from Yazoo.

So you're the one who is fail.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Umm, no the bold is not fail. Cloud cut huge columns of buildings easier then a hot knife through butter. Fights Loz at the same time deflecting/dodging bullets from Yazoo.

So you're the one who is fail.

You can show me Cloud cutting buildings in Final Fantasy 7?

Keep in mind, I'm asking about Final Fantasy 7, not Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children.

Final Fantasy 7, the video game that establishes it as legal for this forum, and not Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children, the movie that is clearly not a video game, and thus illegal for reference in debates.

If you can show me that, then I'll concede.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Show me Isaacs TK outside of gameplay?


You want Isaac to become a real person in our world and show you or what? Where else would Isaac exist to show you what he can do, short of gameplay?

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think....before you speak....

oh and I know, you want cutscenes right?
Cutscenes are God and 100% proof. So all debates via Terry become, cutscene vs cutscene. Because the characters doing what they do in the game, just doesn't cut it. Game play? game mechanics, Terry's like GTFO with that shit and give me the hard core cut scenes man. Can't argue with that.

Actually, Isaac does have cutscenes, hah. Voy, go find one cause you remember the games better than me, I'm gonna look for a scan of the OoT guide/manual.

Originally posted by Voyeur
You want Isaac to become a real person in our world and show you or what? Where else would Isaac exist to show you what he can do, short of gameplay?

.....


think....before you speak....

oh and I know, you want cutscenes right?
Cutscenes are God and 100% proof. So all debates via Terry become, cutscene vs cutscene. Because the characters doing what they do in the game, just doesn't cut it. Game play? game mechanics, Terry's like GTFO with that shit and give me the hard core cut scenes man. Can't argue with that.

I actually agree here. He is on a GBA game, so cut him some slack people. He can use final judgment as long as he has 4 earth Djinns on standby and seeing as he is an earth elemental that should come standard for him. Actually he would probably have more than 4. His Psynergy is the only thing keeping Cloud destroying him. I'm still undecided.

Imho, if Isaac levitates Cloud, Cloud's boned, he has no way to force himself back to the ground or force Isaac to put him down.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Imho, if Isaac levitates Cloud, Cloud's boned, he has no way to force himself back to the ground or force Isaac to put him down.

Well he does have Grab.

Originally posted by Voyeur
You want Isaac to become a real person in our world and show you or what? Where else would Isaac exist to show you what he can do, short of gameplay?

.....


think....before you speak....

oh and I know, you want cutscenes right?
Cutscenes are God and 100% proof. So all debates via Terry become, cutscene vs cutscene. Because the characters doing what they do in the game, just doesn't cut it. Game play? game mechanics, Terry's like GTFO with that shit and give me the hard core cut scenes man. Can't argue with that.

Are you stupid? By gameplay obviously I mean gameplay mechanics, like a battle? Where its all player chosen. Show me him TK'ing someone in the PLOT. Use your brain.

It doesn't have to be cutscenes, just provide me evidence that he can TK people in the story, and its not just a random spell you pickup.

You don't need a "cutscene" to give proof that its a characters ability. For exaample FF6 for super nintendo, Terra's ability to become Esper as opposed to "Fire2" magic spell. Her Esper ability is a plot ability as opposed to Fire2 which is completely gameplay.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Are you stupid? By gameplay obviously I mean gameplay mechanics, like a battle? Where its all player chosen. Show me him TK'ing someone in the PLOT. Use your brain.

It doesn't have to be cutscenes, just provide me evidence that he can TK people in the story, and its not just a random spell you pickup.

You don't need a "cutscene" to give proof that its a characters ability. For exaample FF6 for super nintendo, Terra's ability to become Esper as opposed to "Fire2" magic spell. Her Esper ability is a plot ability as opposed to Fire2 which is completely gameplay.

Okay, then show plotwise where Cloud can cut skyscrapers. Again, keeping in time with the game, not the movie.

Just in case you had missed my earlier post.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Are you stupid? By gameplay obviously I mean gameplay mechanics, like a battle? Where its all player chosen. Show me him TK'ing someone in the PLOT. Use your brain.

It doesn't have to be cutscenes, just provide me evidence that he can TK people in the story, and its not just a random spell you pickup.

You don't need a "cutscene" to give proof that its a characters ability. For exaample FF6 for super nintendo, Terra's ability to become Esper as opposed to "Fire2" magic spell. Her Esper ability is a plot ability as opposed to Fire2 which is completely gameplay.

He uses Psynergy all the time outside of battling to move and grab stuff. Everyone in that world who has it does.

Isaac wins since Psyenergy CAN NOT be seen by people who are not Adepts, and Isaac can see Cloud's magic, so Cloud is at a disavantage, plus Psyenergy is MUCH stronger, and Isaac has SOME of the Mars Star's Power, here are their States against each other

Isaac vs Cloud
Psyenergy > Magic
Mars Star > whatever Cloud has
Isaac's Strength < Cloud's Strength
Isaac's Speed = Cloud's Speed
Sol Blade > Cloud's Sword
Djinni > Cloud's pet thingy
Djinni Summons >>>>>>>> ALL of Cloud's Summons
Isaac's Popularity < Cloud's Popularity
Isaac's Allies > Cloud's Allies
Alex = Sephiroth
Isaac's Theme = Cloud's Theme

Isaac is the Venus Star actually.