ssj4 Goku vs. Kenshiro
At first sight this may seem like a ridiculous match up, but the only thing that concerns me is when people talk about ssj4 Goku's feats, they always bring up the fact that he struggled to lift a building or how he had trouble getting unfrozen. Kenshiro on the other hand walked "through" a falling building as if it were butter. Take away Goku's fireball attacks and put him in a H2H match with Kenshiro, who walks away the victor? No BFR either.
Re: ssj4 Goku vs. Kenshiro
SSJ4 Goku is too quick and powerful normally. Musou Tensei would cause him problems, since it's not speed based (though it does allow you to move at incredible speed) it creates an illusion you can't see through and thus you intangibly move to attack all around the opponent. He would need ki moves to stop it, and you can't sense the air or ki from it otherwise.
If you take away the weirdness of Musou Tensei, then SSJ4 Goku is clearly superior physically. Kenshiro can hit waaay above his weight because of pressure point strikes, but SSJ4 Goku is too much.
Now about his feats, you have to remember that DBZ has always had piss poor lifting feats compared to it's striking ones (which are above Ken's). Unless you count ki lifting, of course.
Even still, by the time you get to GT, Goku can lift more anyway, and he's been able to strike harder since early DBZ. SSJ4 Goku didn't struggle with the building. What was odd was that his base form wasn't sufficient, so he had to turn SSJ4 which easily lifted the building, and people also forget that he lifted the whole half of that city back into place after that. He could be lifting over a billion tonnes at that point, and at least many millions. Kenshiro is a thousand tonner in lifting.
Adult Dragonball - Early DBZ Goku would be more like a match.
Originally posted by BradBalboa
...sigh.once again Kenshiro is pitte againt some a billion times his power level...what is it with Kenshiro vs DBZ he [B]cant win !!!!! [/B]
CAN'T is a bit severe. If even a high level Goku makes a mistake, he's had it. Now, Goku is far MORE LIKELY to win after Dragonball series in physical attributes and he was even able to make Kamehameha as a kid which could kill Ken.
Originally posted by six6six
Well, going by the way Goku fights, he normally won't go all out at first. He likes to see what his opponents got and then unleashes when neccessary. If he were to do that and and give Kenshiro an opportunity, couldn't Ken just do his pressure point strikes and blow Goku's head up?
But if you want to have Goku in character, Ken has to be too. Ken doesn't use head pressure points against strong opponents. He respects them.
Ken also absorbs an opponent's fighting style first by witnessing their attacks, so he can read their moves.
Originally posted by KingD19also i think (dont quote me on this) that goku was the only one on the planet that got it kind of like he was the only one that could have gotten it. but again dont quote me i dont even remember if they said how he got it
Actually, even though he's saiyan, there was nothing shown that his body was anatomically different from humans. It was certainly close enough for him to catch a heart disease. Although I will admit Goku's resistance to blunt force trauma, punches included, is legendary.
Originally posted by BradBalboa
Altough if Ken tried to use Hakto moves he would either break his hands on Gokus body, goku isnt human either so His preassure points will be different...
Kenshiro can hit animal pressure points. Goku is humanoid and pressure points follow the flow of the blood. Unless his heart is on the right side or something like that (and his vein locations are inverted), pressure points should be found.
I don't think Ken would break his hands on Goku's body. They would just launch Goku flying, rebound, or stop dead if anything. Ken is very strong against physical force. Goku can break Ken with attacks though.