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The head of Balamb Garden against the King of Baron.

Squall is an expert swordsman, one of only two masters of the gunblade in the world. He has been trained as a mercenary from an early age, and is considered to be the best in SeeD. He was stabbed through the ling by powerful ice magic and lived with few consequences, and he has powerful GFs that can lend him their power as well.

Cecil was trained from early childhood as a Dark Knight. By age 20 he was Lord Captain of the Red Wings, Baron's elite Air Force. After deserting Baron because of the strange actions of the King he became a Paladin, and now wields the legendary Mythgraven Blade and has the power of the light of his father as well. IN FF IV: The After he tanks a hit from Bahamut and defeats a clone of his Dark Knight self, this clone being powerful enough to own the rest of the FF IV party, including Golbez, a mage powerful enough to defeat the nations of the world in IV and effortlessly take out Eidolons like Titan in The After.

Who takes it?

Cecil is one of the best and experienced swordsmen of the Final Fantasy series (also Squall in being the best swordsman in his world), despite that I have never played Final Fantasy IV, I know about Cecil a bit.

But I'd say Squall takes this.

knowing both the stories and the characters it would be one awesome fight. I'd say Squall takes it. Unless its The after years Cecil where I would say Cecil would win

I say stalemate. I played both. FF IV lacked the graphics of today and you couldn't show cool CGI's to impress the audience. The better the tech the better the feats look.

Anyway, Cecil is the best his world has to offer, the same is true for Squall, I don't think that Suqare considers one of the main char's superior to others in combat, not if they are as good as those both, or Cloud for that matter. One could argue that Tidus or Zidane aren't up there on this level but those three are pretty much equals IMHO.

Cecil is a seasoned knight and paladin.
Squall is a teenager who plays at soldier.

The opening FMV of FF8 shows Squall has no real superspeed or reflexes so the only factor here is experience. Cecil has that most definitely on Squall.

FF7 showed no superspeed/reflexes for their characters as well but Cloud has taken on extremely fast foes, including ones stronger than Zack who was able to take on over 100s of people armed with guns alone.

Those fmv scenes for the games are almost like DBZ fights, its only normal speed through the fighters' eyes, through a normal human its more of a blur.

Squall Space lazar's him.

Originally posted by SpadeKing
FF7 showed no superspeed/reflexes for their characters as well but Cloud has taken on extremely fast foes, including ones stronger than Zack who was able to take on over 100s of people armed with guns alone.

Those fmv scenes for the games are almost like DBZ fights, its only normal speed through the fighters' eyes, through a normal human its more of a blur.

FF7 only got that kind of speed in the sequels. Nothing in the original game suggested Cloud and Zack were that fast.

And since Squall has no showings outside of FF8 (apart from Dissidia but nothing that happened there actually happened as far as Squall knows) he has no superspeed.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
FF7 only got that kind of speed in the sequels

All the Final Fantasy series are getting that kind of CG technology, actually.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
And since Squall has no showings outside of FF8

Squall is super-human. Final Fantay VIII's intro aren't representations of his true abilities at all.

Plus it was back at the start of the game where you struggle against the local plant life etc. Not indictive of his late-game abilities.

For one the intro of FF VIII is a graphical limitation, the PSX couldn't produce the results they wanted. Then there's the fact that even if you want to be stupid and say its real, it can be writte. Off as it is Squall without anything junctioned to him, explaining it away as non peak Squall.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
For one the intro of FF VIII is a graphical limitation, the PSX couldn't produce the results they wanted.

I agree there.
Still, Squall without Junction is still strong, Ultimecia's minions say hi.

lol Graphical limitations. Nice excuse.

Oh and can you provide any storyline evidence ju nctioned magic increases speed?

I will grant you it was at the start of the game and it would make sense for Squall to be much stronger and faster by the end of the game.
How fast or strong is impossible to determine.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
lol Graphical limitations. Nice excuse.

I don't think he's making excuses at all, why would you think that is some kind of: 'excuse'? Explain, please.
Also, everyone knows Square-Enix's CG animations aren't the same as before. That's a fact. New technology, Final Fantasy VIII's intro doesn't show Squall's true abilities at all.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Oh and can you provide any storyline evidence ju nctioned magic increases speed?

Not only speed, also all the parameters and granting them to Summon and use Magic. Quistis clearly states that the GFs provides strengths to the users in the game, it is also in the Ultimania.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
I will grant you it was at the start of the game

Final Fantasy VIII's intro doesn't show Squall's true abilities at all.

For the record I think Cecil takes this, I just hate seeing Nikk's stupid theories go uncorrected. He wrote thisone Jenova theory that got him laughed off of nearly every FF forum out there.

I don't know who Nikkolas is fascist but I can assure you, I post frequently at 3 different FF forums. So I wasn't laughed off of anywhere friend.

You on the other hand, are the laughing stock of KMC Versus. You are the Burning thought to burning thought; the leonheartmm to leonheartmm. That's just how far down the rung you are pal. Why don't youtoddle off now because you're an old joke and no one likes to see old jokes linger passed their time. It's just painful and humiliating for everyone.

Now, onto something productive.



Because there's nothing to say that was the reason they animated it that way. THat's a fan theory and has no basis in reality.



And lifting weights gives me strength. Doesn't mean I'm superhuman.
Quantify how much strength these GFs give him. Can he lift a ton? if he can, where's your proof for that?

I am bored of this topic, though. fascist has again shown he is the King of Suck. He's sucked theenjoyment right out of me for this thread.

Don't watse your time with PK anyone, he's a sock of a banned pedophile.

Squall has no feats in the game.

Not ONE.



He is a skilled soldier, sure, can agree with that but... Where are the feats of strength or speed?

They don't exist.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Because there's nothing to say that was the reason they animated it that way. THat's a fan theory and has no basis in reality.

I suppose you are blind or something? Or just stubborn? That way how? So slow that I could beat Squall if I had a sword in that scene?
What does being a 'fan' have to do with anything? What are you trying to say here? You hardly makes sense in your posts, you just try to look smart, but that's not the point here, there's no place to be smug.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Where are the feats of strength or speed?
They don't exist.

Argument from ignorance.
Something does not exist because it hasn't been proven that exist.
What you expected or expect from Squall? Tell me.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
And lifting weights gives me strength. Doesn't mean I'm superhuman.

Explain your analogy because that didn't make sense at all.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Quantify how much strength these GFs give him.

Lmao, right?
Quantify how much Squall eats during his journey. Quantify how much Squall loves Rinoa. Quantify how much Irvine likes to hang out with girls. Quantify how many times they goes to the bathroom. Quantify how much they uses Magic and how much they don't. Quantify how much times they Summons GFs. Quantify, quantify, quantify. Seriously... Are you joking? Are you going to say something relevant?

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Can he lift a ton? if he can, where's your proof for that?

Can Zell eats 10.000 Hot-dogs in one day? If he can, where's your proof for that? Why Squall would lift a ton? Why he would need to do that? For what? To hurt someone? Or just to show you?

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
fascist has again shown he is the King of Suck. He's sucked theenjoyment right out of me for this thread.

You're lucky, at least he's not reporting you for trolling. But I suppose I can do it.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Argument from ignorance.
Something does not exist because it hasn't been proven that exist.
What you expected or expect from Squall? Tell me. So... We should assume he is superbly strong and fast based on... What?

Please don't try to argue logically with me, I am ten times your superior intellectually, it is a losing battle.

Originally posted by NemeBro
So... We should assume he is superbly strong and fast based on... What?

You didn't answer my question.
By your logic Squall and any of the characters has shown speed feats or strength feats, therefore they don't exist.

Now to your quote.
By default based on what is stated (i.e. GFs granting them super-human capabilities, basically with this you don't need more, without mentioning entering Ultimecia's castle with their abilities completely sealed). However, during the game, they showed feats like Zell punching a train making it to shake or Squall coming with high speeds to save Zell in prison knocking down a guard just by a simple slash, or Zell and his party falling from the Lunatic Pandora like nothing, White SeeDs and their super-jumps, etc. There probably more. I never used the words: 'superbly strong' anyway. Just that Final Fantasy VIII's intro aren't reperesentations of Squall's abilities, that's all.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Please don't try to argue logically with me, I am ten times your superior intellectually, it is a losing battle.

Ok, thanks for the warning.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Squall has no feats in the game.

Not ONE.



He is a skilled soldier, sure, can agree with that but... Where are the feats of strength or speed?

They don't exist.

Back to my FF7 theory.

Its like the same thing for Cloud, but by the time of AC you know he has insane hang time and can knock down a... whatever ton Bahamut that was.

So really there is nothing to disprove his speed or strength.