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who , max level trans , can beat SBP without CIS PIS and plot devices

Proteus and easily

Monarch, and easily.

Wizard Marvel, and easily.

no one..

No one? LOL

Max level for this is Transcendant (i.e. Sub-Skyfather). That eliminates some that have been mentioned.

Well Monarch still wins, and so does Marvel, the most powerful magical force in DC right now.

Originally posted by KingD19
Well Monarch still wins, and so does Marvel, the most powerful magical force in DC right now.

The Wizard Shazam would be considered at least Skyfather by most, eliminating him from contention from this thread. As for Monarch, we've already seen that fight and it was essentially a stalemate.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
no one..

I know alot of Mutants that can..

Originally posted by nicamarvin
I know alot of Mutants that can..

Within the limitations of the thread?

Without CIS on there are quite a few people that have great chances of doing it.

No one can defeat SBP.

Classic Strange with a minute of prep finds a way

Originally posted by shokosugi
No one can defeat SBP.

yeah NO ONE....NO ONE except top class Mutants like..
MJJ
HOM Wanda
franklin Richards

How about a Full Power Nate Gray X-Man?

...Doctor Manhattan...

Originally posted by nicamarvin
yeah NO ONE....NO ONE except top class Mutants like..
MJJ
HOM Wanda
franklin Richards

How about a Full Power Nate Gray X-Man?


No b-level hero can defeat SBP.

Originally posted by shokosugi
No b-level hero can defeat SBP.

being a Hero has nothing to do with this....I still think a Full Power X-Man can take these amp supes...the guy was resurecting people unconsciously..he was only 16 Years old...given time the guy could have become something like MJJ...

Proteus would beat him in one panel

Originally posted by shokosugi
No b-level hero can defeat SBP.

Good thing he didn't name a B-level hero.

Originally posted by carver9
Proteus would beat him in one panel

you think he could?..I know he could turn supes into a little bunny if supes give hime half a chance...I think X-Man could pull 7/10 wins..

Originally posted by nicamarvin
you think he could?..I know he could turn supes into a little bunny if supes give hime half a chance...I think X-Man could pull 7/10 wins..

I agree with this.

Originally posted by carver9
Proteus and easily

Right. because he's much faster than SBP

Originally posted by The Pict
Right. because he's much faster than SBP

not that he's faster, anything that he think of turning prime into, it will happen. He could easily turn prime into a roach and then proceed to step on him.

Prime has no way of taking down proteus since proteaus cant be physically beaten.

Proteus would destroy prime and again in one panel.

Originally posted by The Pict
Right. because he's much faster than SBP

Do you even know who proteus is

Originally posted by nicamarvin
yeah NO ONE....NO ONE except top class Mutants like..
MJJ
HOM Wanda
franklin Richards

How about a Full Power Nate Gray X-Man?

How's that relevant here?

Originally posted by carver9
Do you even know who proteus is

I KNOW EVERY SCOTTISH COMIC CHARACTER! ALL THREE OF THEM ermmad

kinda And I know he was beaten by Colossus.

SBP is gonna blitz Kevin like you wouldn't believe. And to be honest SBP has warped reality on a bigger scale that Proteus.

Originally posted by The Pict
kinda And I know he was beaten by Colossus.

Wasn't tha because Colossus just happened to be immune to his powers?

Originally posted by The Pict
I KNOW EVERY SCOTTISH COMIC CHARACTER! ALL THREE OF THEM ermmad

kinda And I know he was beaten by Colossus.

SBP is gonna blitz Kevin like you wouldn't believe. And to be honest SBP has warped reality on a bigger scale that Proteus.

Lol, so you dont know the reason on how colossus beat him?

You do know that that blitz would be for nothing since it wont do jack to him and thats all proteus has to do is think and prime is dead.

Proteus>>>prime

saddly all of supermans powers are limited to his physical body(speed,strenght,endurance).. when fighting guys like proteus or X-Man he is in disadvantage...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Wasn't tha because Colossus just happened to be immune to his powers?

It's kinda the reverse. Proteus has a weakness to metals. Not in all his hosts but in most of them. So it's PIS in a way considering Proteus is one of the most powerful of mutants.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol, so you dont know the reason on how colossus beat him?

You do know that that blitz would be for nothing since it wont do jack to him and thats all proteus has to do is think and prime is dead.

Proteus>>>prime

I know the reason.

You think Proteus is gonna be able to get a lock on someone as fast as SBP?

Originally posted by nicamarvin
saddly all of supermans powers are limited to his physical body(speed,strenght,endurance).. when fighting guys like proteus or X-Man he is in disadvantage...

He can shoot energy from his eyes and has repeatedly shown resistance to psychic attacks and attempts to alter his body.

And Carver Proteus fights the X-Men for like 2 full comics, so you can drop that one panel rubbish.

Originally posted by The Pict
I know the reason.

You think Proteus is gonna be able to get a lock on someone as fast as SBP?

Its not a lock, its just a thought and he could easily beat superboy

Originally posted by The Pict
It's kinda the reverse. Proteus has a weakness to metals. Not in all his hosts but in most of them. So it's PIS in a way considering Proteus is one of the most powerful of mutants.

Lol, proteaus doesnt have that weakness anymore.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He can shoot energy from his eyes and has repeatedly shown resistance to psychic attacks and attempts to alter his body.

He's still a brick and all of those are physical attacks and by the way, proteus powers would work on him EASILY and just fine just like nate would ( I dont know if nate would beat him though but it would be a good fight).

Originally posted by nicamarvin
saddly all of supermans powers are limited to his physical body(speed,strenght,endurance).. when fighting guys like proteus or X-Man he is in disadvantage...

Tell that to Wolverine.

Proteus needs a psychical host most of the time.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3316/uxm128pg11.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Its not a lock, its just a thought and he could easily beat superboy

He couldn't easily beat the X-Men FFS.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol, proteaus doesnt have that weakness anymore.

Check what I said. He doesn't have it in all of his forms.

Originally posted by The Pict

Proteus needs a psychical host most of the time.


hey I am with X-MAN not with proteus...

Imagine Cyclops's optic blast could become hotter than the sun. Good night Proteus

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7074/uxm128pg12.jpg

Originally posted by The Pict
He couldn't easily beat the X-Men FFS.



Check what I said. He doesn't have it in all of his forms.

Its not all of his forms that I'm talking about, he just doesnt have the weakness PERIOD and could you please stop using classic proteus would could STILL kill prime when he wants to.

How could you say a guy that was at least a galaxy level threat couldnt beat prime, someone that was compared to wanda.

I cant believe I'm even debating this with you, a guy that bent adamantium with just a thought. Hell he could create 5 primes to just fight the original if he wanted while still attacking prime himself.

Proteus vs prime is a none fight.

Originally posted by The Pict
Imagine Cyclops's optic blast could become hotter than the sun. Good night Proteus

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7074/uxm128pg12.jpg

You do know that there attacks had no effect. What was the point of that scan when cyclops admitted himself that there powers wasnt working.

Originally posted by The Pict
Imagine Cyclops's optic blast could become hotter than the sun. Good night Proteus

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7074/uxm128pg12.jpg

His beams generate no heat at all.

Originally posted by carver9
Its not all of his forms that I'm talking about, he just doesnt have the weakness PERIOD and could you please stop using classic proteus would could STILL kill prime when he wants to.

How could you say a guy that was at least a galaxy level threat couldnt beat prime, someone that was compared to wanda.

I cant believe I'm even debating this with you, a guy that bent adamantium with just a thought. Hell he could create 5 primes to just fight the original if he wanted while still attacking prime himself.

Proteus vs prime is a none fight.

Sorry but Proteus doesn't have the feats to compare with Wanda or be considered galaxy level threat. If he did he wouldn't be getting beat of the X-Men. SBP is a galaxy level threat not Proteus.

You still have no answer to how he will tag someone moving at lightspeed when he has trouble tagging people moving at normal speed.It'll be interesting to see your answer. I'll check this later, I'm off out tonight.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
His beams generate no heat at all.

I'm not talking about Cyclops

I'm showing Proteus getting tagged by energy there, meaning SBP can hurt him with a vastly more powerful energy attack.

Originally posted by carver9
Its not all of his forms that I'm talking about, he just doesnt have the weakness PERIOD and could you please stop using classic proteus would could STILL kill prime when he wants to.

How could you say a guy that was at least a galaxy level threat couldnt beat prime, someone that was compared to wanda.

I cant believe I'm even debating this with you, a guy that bent adamantium with just a thought. Hell he could create 5 primes to just fight the original if he wanted while still attacking prime himself.

Proteus vs prime is a none fight.

so stop debating with him....what do you think about my pick: X-Man?? the boy was amazing...at worst he could pull a 5/5

Originally posted by The Pict
Sorry but Proteus doesn't have the feats to compare with Wanda

so how about with X-Man?? just read his Wiki...I think he could give supes a closer fight!!!

Originally posted by The Pict
I'm not talking about Cyclops

I'm showing Proteus getting tagged by energy there, meaning SBP can hurt him with a vastly more powerful energy attack.

You said imagine Cyclop's blasts becoming hotter than the sun.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You said imagine Cyclop's blasts becoming hotter than the sun.

Yeah I just worded it wrong.

Fair enough.

SMP beats SBP

Black Adam... and that's it

Originally posted by The Pict
I'm not talking about Cyclops

I'm showing Proteus getting tagged by energy there, meaning SBP can hurt him with a vastly more powerful energy attack.

Proteus being a reality level threat; he would kill prime.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7568/6165vl0.jpg

What are proteues' abilities? Does he have the speed to react to prime? Cuz in this scenario the focus is more on powersets.

Superman Prime is Skyfather level if a character doesn't use his weakness (Red Solar Radiation). I don't considered darkness his weakness.

So anyone below Skyfather level, or even Skyfather can really beat him unless they exploit his weakness(If they know it).

Originally posted by Naija boy
What are proteues' abilities? Does he have the speed to react to prime? Cuz in this scenario the focus is more on powersets.

Warp reality, thats his powers and his powers isnt something more on his focusing abilities, its all based on thoughts.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Superman Prime is Skyfather level if a character doesn't use his weakness (Red Solar Radiation). I don't considered darkness his weakness.

So anyone below Skyfather level, or even Skyfather can really beat him unless they exploit his weakness(If they know it).

Hes not sky father level, where are you getting this. He has sky father level strength and durability but it takes so much more than that to be a sky father.

If that was all that it takes to be a sky father then WWH is a damn trans.

Originally posted by carver9
Hes not sky father level, where are you getting this. He has sky father level strength and durability but it takes so much more than that to be a sky father.

If that was all that it takes to be a sky father then WWH is a damn trans.
WWH doesn't have any traits which make him a sky father. He has one power which is strenght. He can't fly, he isn't versatile, and his not fast, nor smart. I can keep going. On the other hand, Prime has fought dozens of heroes and all of them proved too weak, & too slow to compete with him. Prime has shown strenght, he is smart, fast, can fly, is versatile, he has one of the best durability, and he is just a boy. He has the potential to be even stronger just by sun dipping. He is even resistant to magic.

When proteus' body is destroyed or burns out he turns into pure energy. In that form he can inhabit w/e body he wants. It's been stated that no one can withstand this, or break free of it once he does it. So even if SBP does somehow kill him before getting turned into a pretty flower or something, proteus could just take over his body until it burned out from Proteus' raw energies.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
WWH doesn't have any traits which make him a sky father. He has one power which is strenght. He can't fly, he isn't versatile, and his not fast, nor smart. I can keep going. On the other hand, Prime has fought dozens of heroes and all of them proved too weak, & too slow to compete with him. Prime has shown strenght, he is smart, fast, can fly, is versatile, he has one of the best durability, and he is just a boy. He has the potential to be even stronger just by sun dipping. He is even resistant to magic.

No one stood up to wwh, what are you talking about, everyone failed. Hulk also has high end durability and one of the most amazing healing factors in comics; he was never dropped and I know you know little about wwh because the guy was INTELLIGENT, he had bruce banners mind. We're not talking about savage hulk.

So is that all that you think it takes to be a sky father? WOW.

and what versatility does superman prime has?

Originally posted by carver9
No one stood up to wwh, what are you talking about, everyone failed. Hulk also has high end durability and one of the most amazing healing factors in comics; he was never dropped and I know you know little about wwh because the guy was INTELLIGENT, he had bruce banners mind. We're not talking about savage hulk.

So is that all that you think it takes to be a sky father? WOW.

and what versatility does superman prime has?
WWH can't even compete with anyone that is WW's strenght and power let alone someone who can rip her in two. He doesn't can't even breathe in space. His healing factor won't help him from getting punch into the abyss.

Superman like has said is more versatile. He can fly, breathe in space(well most can't except Hulk), is strong(a lot), very fast, has powers(ice breath, HV, Wind breath[can't remember actual name)

Originally posted by xJLxKing
WWH can't even compete with anyone that is WW's strenght and power let alone someone who can rip her in two. He doesn't can't even breathe in space. His healing factor won't help him from getting punch into the abyss.

Superman like has said is more versatile. He can fly, breathe in space(well most can't except Hulk), is strong(a lot), very fast, has powers(ice breath, HV, Wind breath

Can you stop turning this into a vs match, I dont care who wwh can beat, we just know that he is one of the strongest bricks in comics; I think that wwh could beat wonder woman and you dont but who cares, I'm trying to get you to understand and see how you're souding. I dont think wwh is close to being a trans just like I dont think that a physical person like prime is a sky father.

I agree, prime is powerful as hell and I honestly think that he is close to being the physical perfection of a super human but being strong, having great durability, along with heat vision and ice breath isnt even 1/10 of what a sky father is. When he can stop time, bring back life, create solar systems, reverse time, shake the universe by fighting, matter manipulate, create other gods, and then have then already have the abilities that you named of prime, THAN i would say that he's a sky father.

Originally posted by carver9
Can you stop turning this into a vs match, I dont care who wwh can beat, we just know that he is one of the strongest bricks in comics; I think that wwh could beat wonder woman and you dont but who cares, I'm trying to get you to understand and see how you're souding. I dont think wwh is close to being a trans just like I dont think that a physical person like prime is a sky father.

I agree, prime is powerful as hell and I honestly think that he is close to being the physical perfection of a super human but being strong, having great durability, along with heat vision and ice breath isnt even 1/10 of what a sky father is. When he can stop time, bring back life, create solar systems, reverse time, shake the universe by fighting, matter manipulate, create other gods, and then have then already have the abilities that you named of prime, THAN i would say that he's a sky father.
You should go back and read my posts, I just don't think you understand.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
You should go back and read my posts, I just don't think you understand.

And who is ripping hulk in half?

And what does that have to do with you trying to make prime a sky father when he's not. Silver surfer is fast, can amp his strength to unknown levels, has very high durability, etc... but he will remain a high herald.

Originally posted by carver9
And who is ripping hulk in half?

And what does that have to do with you trying to make prime a sky father when he's not. Silver surfer is fast, can amp his strength to unknown levels, has very high durability, etc... but he will remain a high herald.
Surfer would get creamed if he fought against Prime. Any ways I said read my posts. You really misunderstood me

You do realzie that wwh can breath in space right?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Surfer would get creamed if he fought against Prime. Any ways I said read my posts. You really misunderstood me

Please stop turning this to a vs match, I'm really trying to get you to see a point not a fight. What was it that I didnt read right?

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
You do realzie that wwh can breath in space right?
....Hulk can't and I seriously didn't know that. Do you know why? Because you can't breathe in space. There is no Oxygen.

Originally posted by carver9
Please stop turning this to a vs match, I'm really trying to get you to see a point not a fight. What was it that I didnt read right?
Well all I said is he is sky father level if a character doesn't use his weakness. His weakness being Red Solar Radiation

Originally posted by xJLxKing
....Hulk can't and I seriously didn't know that. Do you know why? Because you can't breathe in space. There is no Oxygen.

Savage hulk can breathe under water.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
....Hulk can't and I seriously didn't know that. Do you know why? Because you can't breathe in space. There is no Oxygen.

He can survive in space just like he can underwarter his body adapts.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
....Hulk can't and I seriously didn't know that. Do you know why? Because you can't breathe in space. There is no Oxygen.

Yes obviously your suppositions are superior to what he's actually managed to do on panel.

Originally posted by carver9
Savage hulk can breathe under water.
Water has Oxygen so yeah, but I don't see how he can breathe in space.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Water has Oxygen so yeah, but I don't see how he can breathe in space.

He rode on top of a space ship almost from planet sakaar to earth.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Surfer would get creamed if he fought against Prime. Any ways I said read my posts. You really misunderstood me

Regularly yes, in this scenario (CIS off) not so much.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Water has Oxygen so yeah, but I don't see how he can breathe in space.

By the way his body formed gills.

Originally posted by carver9
By the way his body formed gills.
Well it doesn't change the fact that he can't move in space. He will be floating around.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Well it doesn't change the fact that he can't move in space. He will be floating around.

Which part of this statement is you admitting you were wrong about him being able to survive in space.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Which part of this statement is you admitting you were wrong about him being able to survive in space. I don't have a problem with admitting that I was wrong, but you just don't like losing

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Well it doesn't change the fact that he can't move in space. He will be floating around.

HUH, I know that Prime could beat wwh, especially with bfring on. If they was locked in a adamantium cage, that would be the fight of the year.

Regardless, I dont think that Prime is even CLOSE to being a sky father. If he actually fought a true sky father like odin, prime would fall almost every damn time, basically whenever odin wants him to drop.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I don't have a problem with admitting that I was wrong, but you just don't like losing


There is was nothing to lose I just stated he could survive in space which happens to be true.You guys can carry on now.

Originally posted by carver9
HUH, I know that Prime could beat wwh, especially with bfring on. If they was locked in a adamantium cage, that would be the fight of the year.

Regardless, I dont think that Prime is even CLOSE to being a sky father. If he actually fought a true sky father like odin, prime would fall almost every damn time, basically whenever odin wants him to drop.
I don't think Odin would win easily if he doesn't exploit Prime's weakness.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I don't think Odin would win easily if he doesn't exploit Prime's weakness.

So what if odin stop time when he sees prime, what is prime going to do to get a win?

Originally posted by carver9
So what if odin stop time when he sees prime, what is prime going to do to get a win? When has Odin stopped time?

Originally posted by carver9
So what if odin stop time when he sees prime, what is prime going to do to get a win?
How do you know it will affect Prime? When has he stopped time?

Originally posted by Mekrob
When has Odin stopped time? http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4025/63930597.th.jpg

Originally posted by Mekrob
When has Odin stopped time?

If you know anything about odin, you should know when.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
How do you know it will affect Prime? When has he stopped time?

How wont stopping time work against prime?

Originally posted by carver9
If you know anything about odin, you should know when. why?

Originally posted by carver9
How wont stopping time work against prime?
I asked you a question and you counter it with another question.

Originally posted by kgkg
why?

Because its common knowledge that he could do this.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
How do you know it will affect Prime? When has he stopped time?

Because it would affect prime because its stopping time, there is no way of countering that.

Originally posted by carver9
Because its common knowledge that he could do this. Why is it common knowledge is the question now?... I mean it has to be shown often which is not the case with Odin

Originally posted by xJLxKing
How do you know it will affect Prime?

Because Prime has no ability to control time.

Originally posted by kgkg
Why is it common knowledge is the question now?... I mean it has to be shown often which is not the case with Odin

Because he has done it more than once, hell to my knowledge I think he did it at least 3 to 4 times.

Originally posted by carver9
Because it would affect prime because its stopping time, there is no way of countering that.
Oh, so by your logic Odin can freeze LT.

Originally posted by carver9
Because he has done it more than once, hell to my knowledge I think he did it at least 3 to 4 times. Stop time 3 to 4 times? I don't think so can you remember them?

Originally posted by kgkg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4025/63930597.th.jpg

That doesn't look like stopping time.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Oh, so by your logic Odin can freeze LT. LT's control over reality/time > Odin's

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Oh, so by your logic Odin can freeze LT.

The LT is a cosmic being that is in charge of even the physical incarnation of TIME ITSELF, there's no reason to think he can't control time better than Odin.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That doesn't look like stopping time. read what Odin says at my command let TIME stand STILL he then shoots a beam to stop Loki who is at other side of the universe

Originally posted by kgkg
Stop time 3 to 4 times? I don't think so can you remember them?

Not off the top of my head but I'll ask my roommate since he is a odin fanatic.

Originally posted by carver9
Not off the top of my head but I'll ask my roommate since he is a odin fanatic. ok get back to me on that it is important

Originally posted by kgkg
read what Odin says at my command let TIME stand STILL he then shoots a beam to stop Loki who is at other side of the universe

Oh, I missed the word's "let time" and though he was giving orders to the Destroyer.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Oh, so by your logic Odin can freeze LT.

This logic doesnt fly. LT has control over time/space/reality etc on a level far higher than Odin can imagine. So no it wont work on him. the onus however is on u to prove prime can overcvome an attack of that nature.(frankly he cant because if odin freezes time he is affecting the timestream and prime operates within the frozen timestream so will be incapacitated)

Originally posted by kgkg
LT's control over reality/time > Odin's
So your are saying there is no resistance against time controlling? Has Odin ever freeze someone as strong, or powerful as Prime?

FYI: I was using LT as an example, but I can use better example.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
So your are saying there is no resistance against time controlling? Has Odin ever freeze someone as strong, or powerful as Prime?

FYI: I was using LT as an example, but I can use better example.

It doesnt matter how strong you are when you have control over time. There is no way of fighting it unless you can control time yourself.

Time stops in the Phantom zone..and it's inescapable.

Prime easily punched his way out. SBP can pretty much do whatever when it's necessary in a storyline.

I don't see time stop doing anything but pissing him off more. Plus Odin stops time through magic...something Prime laughs at...

edit

Originally posted by xJLxKing
So your are saying there is no resistance against time controlling? Has Odin ever freeze someone as strong, or powerful as Prime?

FYI: I was using LT as an example, but I can use better example. I don't think power has anything to do with time control he froze the destroyer who was destroying Asgard i would see that would work on prime

unless prime has reality/matter manipulation power to stop such things it doesn't matter how powerful one is.

The destroyer is virtually unstoppable but he was still affected by time control

Originally posted by kgkg
I don't think power has anything to do with time control he froze the destroyer who was destroying Asgard i would see that would work on prime

unless prime has reality/matter manipulation power to stop such things it doesn't matter how powerful one is.

The destroyer is virtually unstoppable but he was still affected by time control
As always Avlon comes to the rescue. He pretty much proved my point.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
As always Avlon comes to the rescue. He pretty much proved my point. Scans? I haven't seen any time stop attempted on prime

Originally posted by kgkg
Scans? I haven't seen any time stop attempted on prime
Read Avlon's post please.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Read Avlon's post please.

It proved nothing.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Read Avlon's post please. He claimed Time stops in the Phantom zone..and it's inescapable? Proof

People have the escaped the Phantom zone before beside Prime

Such as Mon-El , Zod , Ak-Var etc

Originally posted by kgkg
He claimed Time stops in the Phantom zone..and it's inescapable? Proof

People have the escaped the Phantom zone before beside Prime

Such as Mon-El , Zod , Ak-Var etc
So why are you asking me? I never even knew that the PZ stops time.

In the phantom zone arent characters conscious and aware of there existence and of the phsical world? If so that is in no way the same as affecting the timestream in which case all activity,mental, physical or otherwise is brought to a halt.

Originally posted by Avlon
SBP can pretty much do whatever when it's necessary in a storyline.



Isn't that a definition of PIS? Anyway good thing there is no storyline here.

Originally posted by Naija boy
In the phantom zone arent characters conscious and aware of there existence and of the phsical world? If so that is in no way the same as affecting the timestream in which case all activity,mental, physical or otherwise is brought to a halt.

Some people dont understand that, especially with people saying that someone could physically out fight stopping time, how is that possible.

Originally posted by kgkg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4025/63930597.th.jpg Thanks.

Originally posted by carver9
If you know anything about odin, you should know when. Carver, let's be honest, you know nothing about Odin and just said that because you felt he should be able to.

Originally posted by carver9
Some people dont understand that, especially with people saying that someone could physically out fight stopping time, how is that possible. Technically Prime did it. He seems to be resistant to it.

Originally posted by Mekrob
Thanks.

Carver, let's be honest, you know nothing about Odin and just said that because you felt he should be able to.

I'm not a huge fan of odin but I know a lot of his feats and read a lot about him only when he appear in thor books but you are right, I dont know much about odin, just enough.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Technically Prime did it. He seems to be resistant to it.

Prime did what?

Odin also stopped time across the entire planet earth in JIM 104 so he can do it on quite a high level. Has prime ever shown any resistance to such?

Originally posted by Naija boy
Odin also stopped time across the entire planet earth in JIM 104 so he can do it on quite a high level. Has prime ever shown any resistance to such?

How can you resist that?

Originally posted by Naija boy
Odin also stopped time across the entire planet earth in JIM 104 so he can do it on quite a high level. Has prime ever shown any resistance to such?

Seeing as Prime has the PC powerlevel package, a couple of PC bricks have resisted such attacks.

Originally posted by cloud102
Seeing as Prime has the PC powerlevel package, a couple of PC bricks have resisted such attacks.

Not going to cut it at all.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Not going to cut it at all.

Not going to cut what?

Originally posted by cloud102
Not going to cut what?

Claiming Prime has a PC powerset and that he can do what PC characters did.

Originally posted by carver9
How can you resist that?
So your saying there is no resistance to time stopping?

Originally posted by cloud102
Seeing as Prime has the PC powerlevel package, a couple of PC bricks have resisted such attacks.

You do know that the pc power is one of the ultimate powers in marvel universe.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
So your saying there is no resistance to time stopping?

Not physically unless you're a time stopper yourself.

Originally posted by carver9
You do know that the pc power is one of the ultimate powers in marvel universe. I believe he meant Pre Crisis by "PC" not power cosmic

Doop would beat SBP

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Claiming Prime has a PC powerset and that he can do what PC characters did.

I agree. Superboy Prime isn't all that bright. Which is why he'd lose. Just saying it's in his realm, but bricks like Cap, Superman, Supergirl, or even monel can't be stopped by such an attack. Time warping isn't all that.

Originally posted by kgkg
I believe he meant Pre Crisis by "PC" not power cosmic

Oh, my bad.

Originally posted by cloud102
I agree. Superboy Prime isn't all that bright. Which is why he'd lose. Just saying it's in his realm, but bricks like Cap, Superman, Supergirl, or even monel can't be stopped by such an attack. Time warping isn't all that.

Show me them resisting something of the nature.

Originally posted by cloud102
I agree. Superboy Prime isn't all that bright. Which is why he'd lose. Just saying it's in his realm, but bricks like Cap, Superman, Supergirl, or even monel can't be stopped by such an attack. Time warping isn't all that. Any evidence of this not working against them especially with someone like Odin doing it.

It worked on a Loki controlled Destroyer who was > Asgard itself sans Odin

Originally posted by carver9
Show me them resisting something of the nature.

You know Superman had a bunch of miscellaneous powers? I remember an old villain (Adversary?) trying to stop Superman with time, but Superman moved so fast that he was on a whole nother frequency.

SHAZAM back in the day couldn't even stop Black Adam. So what did he do? Sent him to the farthest reaches of the universe. Black Adam then proceeded to return by moving faster than the speed of light.

Originally posted by cloud102
You know Superman had a bunch of miscellaneous powers? I remember an old villain (Adversary?) trying to stop Superman with time, but Superman moved so fast that he was on a whole nother frequency.

SHAZAM back in the day couldn't even stop Black Adam. So what did he do? Sent him to the farthest reaches of the universe. Black Adam then proceeded to return by moving faster than the speed of light.
Superman used to be able to fly in reverse of the Earths rotation to turn back time. Superman can do anything and everything needed to win w/e fight it turns out to be. But yea there's still tons of people that could beat him.

Originally posted by cloud102
You know Superman had a bunch of miscellaneous powers? I remember an old villain (Adversary?) trying to stop Superman with time, but Superman moved so fast that he was on a whole nother frequency.

SHAZAM back in the day couldn't even stop Black Adam. So what did he do? Sent him to the farthest reaches of the universe. Black Adam then proceeded to return by moving faster than the speed of light.

All this speculation doesnt prove anything. Saying that some precrisis krptonians and other characters resisted it(without even showing scans or iving context) and then expectin us to say prime can do the same doesnt fly at all.

Originally posted by Naija boy
All this speculation doesnt prove anything. Saying that some precrisis krptonians and other characters resisted it(without even showing scans or iving context) and then expectin us to say prime can do the same doesnt fly at all.

If you read my post above, i didn't say prime could do the same. Just that it wouldn't be impossible to do.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Superman used to be able to fly in reverse of the Earths rotation to turn back time. Superman can do anything and everything needed to win w/e fight it turns out to be. But yea there's still tons of people that could beat him.

Yep. I remember Superman creating mini versions of himself! Pretty silly. But I wouldn't say "tons" of characters. Not unless you count cosmics and gods, but Superman has defeated some of those himself.

Originally posted by kgkg
He claimed Time stops in the Phantom zone..and it's inescapable? Proof

People have the escaped the Phantom zone before beside Prime

Such as Mon-El , Zod , Ak-Var etc

None of these guys broke out of the zone instantly with a single punch.

All needed plot devices and it still took years.

Prime was put in (and that was a PC version of the PZ from what it looked like) and he punched his way out easily.


Originally posted by xJLxKing
So why are you asking me? I never even knew that the PZ stops time.

Nobody ages in the PZ, they are usually wraiths unless special circumstances are in effect.

Originally posted by Naija boy
In the phantom zone arent characters conscious and aware of there existence and of the phsical world? If so that is in no way the same as affecting the timestream in which case all activity,mental, physical or otherwise is brought to a halt.

It's done by magic...and we all know that magic means shit to SBP. Odin might as well be tossing pillows at him.

Originally posted by carver9
Show me them resisting something of the nature.

I gave one. SBP instantly punching out of the PZ like it was something physical. Nobody else has been able to do anything similar except Mr. Mind/Skreets who's abstract.

Like I said Avlon comes to the rescue

Originally posted by Avlon

It's done by magic...and we all know that magic means shit to SBP. Odin might as well be tossing pillows at him.



I gave one. SBP instantly punching out of the PZ like it was something physical. Nobody else has been able to do anything similar except Mr. Mind/Skreets who's abstract.

Firstly the state of existence in the phantom zone isnt the same as when the timestream s stopped. the characters are still aware and conscious of there existence and that of the phsical world. Hence there is continued mental activityetc. Completely different from when the timestream is altered and time is stopped completely. So the whole phantom zone example counts for nothing

Then as for the magic thing, Odin wont be trying to directly affect prime with his magic, he will be trying to affect the timestream. Hence prime wont be immune to it because Odin isnt directly using any magic on him. He is affecting the timestream itself which prime operates in.

Its like if a gl who cant affect yellow is fighting a person with all yellow on. He may not be able to affect the person who is wearing the yellow directly but by destroying what the person is standin on the gl will affect him using indirect means. (cause him to fall down)