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All these people are fighting each other in a abandon warehouse full of swords, knives, and hanguns just scattered around and who comes out the with the victory

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1.Byran mills(Taken)
2.Jason Bourne( Bourne series)
3.Bob Lee Swagger (Shooter)
4.James Bond (Daniel Craig's)(Bond Series)
5. John Rambo (Rambo series)
6. John McClane ( Die Hard Series)
7. Batman ( Nolan's verison)

IMO Batman is superiorto everyone on the list b/c he's most stealth, has a grappling hook, and has armor. However I don't think he's the best 1on1 H2H combatant. I think he's more built for fighting multiple people. Bourne has to be the best H2H fighter here followed by Bond and Mills.

Order of superiority IMO is:
1. Batman- Built for this type of fight since he can fly, dissapear easily, and has a various assortment of wapons and gadgets ON him. He's accustomed to taking on S.W.A.T. teams and WINNING. I'd say he easily at the top and expected to win this.

2. Jason Bourne- Probably the best 1on1 H2H combatant here. His skill level is insane and is very resourceful. If he gets a knife it could be the equivalent of McClane or Rambo with a gun. He can turn ANYTHING into a weapon.

3. James Bond- Arguably the most durable here besides Batman who has the batsuit obviously. He's young, very athletic, and particulary ruthless. He knows how to defend himself against knives and is a great shot with a pistol. While he's not as skilled as say Bourne, Batman, or Mills in martial arts he is like a TANK in that his strength, stamina, and damage soak is insane.

4. Bryan Mills- Has the most experience out of all the people in this fight. He's very smart and is always thinking. He like Bourne can use ANYTHING as a weapon and is a great shot but his stamina and physical attributes are nothing to scream about. He's in his mid 50's and where's he's more skilled than say Bond he's nowhere near at the physical capacity Bond's at.

5. Bob Lee Swagger- Haven't yet seen Shooter, so won't comment; however I can say he's a better H2H combatant than Rambo and McClane. If he gets a pistol it could get deadly.

6. John Rambo- Probably the least skilled in this enviorment. In the jungle, Rambo becomes a ONE-MAN ARMY but this in a warehouse, and against these guys he's at the bottom of the list as far as skill goes. To these combatants he's nothing as far as H2H goes. If he gets a weapon his chances improve drastically.

7. John McClane- Very durable, brawler that couldn't keep up with the rest of these guys except Rambo in H2H. Succeeds alot based on luck, great shot with pistol. Very resourceful. If he can get to a gun his chances increase drastically.

^ Mostly agree. But I would put Bourne's damage soak above Bonds.

The reason most people think Bond has a good soak is because of many rough landings he took in QoS I think.

But lets compare what Bourne has done in terms of taking hits:

- Jumped off at least 5-6 stories, delivered a headshot to a moving target in mid-flight and landed on the ground with only a dead body as cushioning. He walks away within seconds to minutes.

- Gets shot by Urban, manages to escape on foot and by car, and then finally ending the chase in a high speed car crash. Walks away quickly. He doesn't even find a place to rest, instead he goes to the girl's house to apologise rofl. And after that he gets chased by police and is jumping through train tracks etc.

- As for Bond-type damage soak while running on roof tops, Bourne did the same in Ultimatum.

How the hell will Batman survive this? These guys are all top notch killers and dead eye shots. With all of them gunning for him, surely he will fall.

Batman get's a sword, he takes anyone of the them down who doesn't have a pistol.

I'd go with Bourne though, for the overall victory. H2H or a pistol, he has the edge.

Does this warehouse have a large HVAC system? If so, McClane crawls in, waits until there is one guy left (probably Bourne) and kills him from there.

Bourne and Swagger at the end. Bourne pwns.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
How the hell will Batman survive this? These guys are all top notch killers and dead eye shots. With all of them gunning for him, surely he will fall.

It's a free for all, they're all trying to kill each other, there can be only one.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's a free for all, they're all trying to kill each other, there can be only one. Lets say you are Rambo and I am Bond. If Batman is there, isn't he gonna be like one of the first we take out? They know he is Batman, dude.

Am I confused, are Rambo or Bond super-villains? Why are they joining forces or just aiming for Batman first?

Just saying. I am assuming each combatant knows the other and knows their capabilities. Seems logical that two of the guys would not necessarily team up, but would focus on taking out Batman first, you know?

(Just saying. I am assuming each combatant knows the other and knows their capabilities. Seems logical that two of the guys would not necessarily team up, but would focus on taking out Batman first, you know?)

idk i mean focusing on batman is a good idea but hen u still have bourne,Mills, Swagger, McClain to cotend with and they may not even beat batman with no weapons

Well in Casino Royale, Bond was shot with a nail gun, scraped across the chest with an edged weapon, fought a H2H battle against a dude with a machete while falling down flights of stairs at the same time, recovered from being poison like nothing, survived the Aston flip, and had his balls pwned, not to mention him literally running through a wall and him being rewarded with punishment while chasing the bombmaker due to his clumsiness.

In QOS, let's see, Bond took the fall from the church onto that lever like it was nothing(ropefight), slashed yet again, jumped repeatedly onto wierd objects and took awkward falls with "business" shoes on(how's that for your ankles), and survived the infamous "free-fall jump" to sustain no visual injury.

Fighting Speed: Bourne
Fighting Skill: Bourne
Dirty Tactics: McClane
Reach: Mills
Pain/Damage sponge: Bond
Knife: Rambo
Sword: Batman
Pistol: Mills, Bond, Bourne & Swagger all about equal, imo.
Stealth: Batman
Hero's Luck: McClane

One thing of note, just because a guy is #1 in any given category, doesn't mean the rest are all that far behind. E.G, Bourne's H2H isn't epic levels above Mills.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's a free for all, they're all trying to kill each other, there can be only one.
HIGHLANDEEEEEER!

Sorry... got carried away.

Originally posted by Robtard
Fighting Speed: Bourne
Fighting Skill: Bourne
Dirty Tactics: McClane
Reach: Mills
Pain/Damage sponge: Bond
Knife: Rambo
Sword: Batman
Pistol: Mills, Bond, Bourne & Swagger all about equal, imo.
Stealth: Batman
Hero's Luck: McClane

One thing of note, just because a guy is #1 in any given category, doesn't mean the rest are all that far behind. E.G, Bourne's H2H isn't epic levels above Mills.

Pretty much, but Pain/Damage sponge has gotta go to McClane.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Pretty much, but Pain/Damage sponge has gotta go to McClane.

That was a hard call, Rambo is also up there, but I think Bond took more/harder constant beatings while hardly missing a step.

But like I said, the levels for many these guys are pretty close.

I think McClane takes pain on a more consistent level.

^ I dunno, McClaine seems to take time to recover. Bourne or Bond get smacked and then they come back straight away like it had no effect.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Well in Casino Royale, Bond was shot with a nail gun

Thats a good feat, he didn't seem affected by it.




Originally posted by Darth Martin
scraped across the chest with an edged weapon, fought a H2H battle against a dude with a machete while falling down flights of stairs at the same time.

Thats the general type of damage soak I give Bond credit for.


Originally posted by Darth Martin
survived the Aston flip

I don't think thats the type of damage soak you can use as a feat, because he was out after that. Bourne has survived a few crashes of his own as well as being shot twice in the back, and left for dead in the ocean durin a storm.



Originally posted by Darth Martin
recovered from being poison like nothing

Again, I don't think this should count in a physical fight.


Originally posted by Darth Martin
and had his balls pwned

Hmm, not really a usable feat here. I guess we can say he is hard to break under torture. But again he was out after that. If say he got up after he got free somehow and started kicking ass with those injuries, then it would mean something. But all that happened was that he got tortured and passed out later.



Originally posted by Darth Martin
not to mention him literally running through a wall and him being rewarded with punishment while chasing the bombmaker due to his clumsiness.


I don't remember that, but that would be a good feat.


Originally posted by Darth Martin

In QOS, let's see, Bond took the fall from the church onto that lever like it was nothing(ropefight), slashed yet again, jumped repeatedly onto wierd objects and took awkward falls with "business" shoes on(how's that for your ankles), and survived the infamous "free-fall jump" to sustain no visual injury.

Yup, I would give Bond all due credit for these feats. However, I'm just saying Bourne takes much harder hits than this, such as getting shot, then high speed crash, then getting chased again, all in that order without breaks.

Originally posted by Placidity
^ I dunno, McClaine seems to take time to recover. Bourne or Bond get smacked and then they come back straight away like it had no effect. Yeah but they dont have McClane's SUV.

Originally posted by Robtard
Fighting Speed: Bourne
Fighting Skill: Bourne
Dirty Tactics: McClane
Reach: Mills
Pain/Damage sponge: Bond
Knife: Rambo
Sword: Batman
Pistol: Mills, Bond, Bourne & Swagger all about equal, imo.
Stealth: Batman
Hero's Luck: McClane

One thing of note, just because a guy is #1 in any given category, doesn't mean the rest are all that far behind. E.G, Bourne's H2H isn't epic levels above Mills. Agree with everything except Rambo as THE knife fighter. Bourne owns that spot seeing what he did with a pen in Bourne Identity. Give him a knife and imagine that........

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah but they dont have McClane's SUV. McClane can't hang here.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Agree with everything except Rambo as THE knife fighter. Bourne owns that spot seeing what he did with a pen in Bourne Identity. Give him a knife and imagine that........

And a roll of newspaper (vs a knife) in Supremacy...

... And a book and a towel (vs a razor) in Ultimatum.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
McClane can't hang here. Explain that.

He's nowhere near as proficient as these guys are in H2H. He doesn't have any machinery, automobiles, ect. to rely on. Only one I can see him matching with is Rambo.

In LFODH he was getting his ass kicked by the asian chick(Batman, Bourne, Bond, and Mills would slaughter her). He's not stealthy, and he'd only be drawing attention to himself with his wit and jokes.

I see Bourne winning despite my hate for him. Like RJ said if you see a guy kicking ass in a bat suit you tend to focus on him, and he's not going against a bunch of druggy mobsters here he's going against one of the best snipers in the world and a guy who wipe out a group of people armed ak's with a bow. He's probably going down 1st or 2nd, provided he may be able to get someone through stealth, like McClain.
That said if McClain doesn't go down first, he'll probably go 2nd, he's got decent intelligence, decent fighting skills, and he's a good shot, but he's not one for the slow approach. He's lucky but in a warehouse like this I say his luck runs out, swagger or someone else is going to put a bullet in his head.
Rambo I'd say would be next to bite the dust, his fighting styles don't do very well here and his only advantage in h2h would be his ridiculous amount of strength. Of course his shooting isn't to be underestimated as he wiped out a group of people in less than a second. If he can get to Swagger he can take him out easy enough I think, but otherwise Swagger or someone else will take him out from a distance.
On the note of Swagger, with a person sniping in the distance, which I'm guessing he would think he goes next Bourne or Bond take him out with their own sniper.
Next I think to go would be Mills, he'd likely get in close with Bond and if the two managed to get up close in H2H I'd give it to Mills, but Bond would take it for awhile, at least long enough for Bourne to get in and kill one or both of them from the distance. Thus Bourne would win.
Though this is all really how you see the fight going and really anyone could win depending how you put the scenario. Personally I see Bourne winning.

And I apologize for this lengthy post

Originally posted by Darth Martin
He's nowhere near as proficient as these guys are in H2H. He doesn't have any machinery, automobiles, ect. to rely on. Only one I can see him matching with is Rambo.

In LFODH he was getting his ass kicked by the asian chick(Batman, Bourne, Bond, and Mills would slaughter her). He's not stealthy, and he'd only be drawing attention to himself with his wit and jokes. haermm Yeah McClane sucks ass h2h haermm

Originally posted by Darth Martin
He's nowhere near as proficient as these guys are in H2H. He doesn't have any machinery, automobiles, ect. to rely on. Only one I can see him matching with is Rambo.

In LFODH he was getting his ass kicked by the asian chick(Batman, Bourne, Bond, and Mills would slaughter her). He's not stealthy, and he'd only be drawing attention to himself with his wit and jokes.

You're greatly underestimating his pluses, dirty tactics and a ridiculous level of luck is definitely enough to get a hero by, while he will not likely win this, he isn't going down first.

Those witty jokes work in his favour, it's like a special ability. Also of note, this is a warehouse, there's probably a forklift around, so it's safe to say he drives it up one of the others asses while it's in a fiery blaze.

Did you watch Diehard, he used stealth-tactics throughtout the movie; this warehouse probably also has some sort of HVAC system, another plus for McClane. Shit, considering all the above, he'd probably make it to the final three.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
haermm Yeah McClane sucks ass h2h haermm

Yet he more kills organised and dangerous badguys than Riggs and his Partner put together. Go figure.

Like the forklift motiff, Robtard.

Those propane cannisters on those gas trucks'd go up a treat.

Originally posted by Robtard

Those witty jokes work in his favour, it's like a special ability.

If he tries to use a "witty joke", the only reaction he would get is a bullet in the head.


Originally posted by Robtard
Also of note, this is a warehouse, there's probably a forklift around, so it's safe to say he drives it up one of the others asses while it's in a fiery blaze.


Depends if OP allows a forklift. I was under the impression they were only allowed weapons scattered around the place. Even if there was a forklift, he would have to drive around looking for people to run over. And amongst these elite, anyone would hear him coming.


Originally posted by Robtard

You obviously didn't pay attention in Diehard, he used stealth-tactics throughtout the movie

lol. Batman is the master of stealth. He'd probably spot McClaine immediately and laugh at how noob he is trying to sneak around.




Also the asian chick in LFODH isn't a ninja

The art is in timing your joke to AFTER you have dispatched your foe.


As any instructor will tell you, a forklift is a dangerous weapon potentially. And if it is lying around, then why not.
It should fit up McClane's enemies asses just the same, regardless of its official status.

Damn you all for trolling this topic. It was a good thread.

Originally posted by Placidity
If he tries to use a "witty joke", the only reaction he would get is a bullet in the head.

Depends if OP allows a forklift. I was under the impression they were only allowed weapons scattered around the place. Even if there was a forklift, he would have to drive around looking for people to run over. And amongst these elite, anyone would hear him coming.

lol. Batman is the master of stealth. He'd probably spot McClaine immediately and laugh at how noob he is trying to sneak around.

Also the asian chick in LFODH isn't a ninja

See Sadako's response.

It's a warehouse, considering Batman's advantage is stealth here, it means the environment factors in, for all of them. Forklifts, boxes, HVAC system to hide and ambush from, etc.

Yes, but this isn't just Batman Vs. McClane. Batman may be busy dodging Bourne who's trying to shove the rolled up Playboy magazine he found in the bathroom up his Bat-ass.

She was like a ninja, But let's not get into that.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yet he more kills organised and dangerous badguys than Riggs and his Partner put together. Go figure.

Like the forklift motiff, Robtard.

Those propane cannisters on those gas trucks'd go up a treat. And how many kills were executed while in h2h combat? Not after the fact, you know, when a girl kicks the shit outta him, or when he is ***** kicked off an airplane by a man who is not one tenth the fighter Riggs is? I am talking about while throwing hands with an opponent, not behind the wheel of an SUV.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And how many kills were executed while in h2h combat? Not after the fact, you know, when a girl kicks the shit outta him, or when he is ***** kicked off an airplane by a man who is not one tenth the fighter Riggs is? I am talking about while throwing hands with an opponent, not behind the wheel of an SUV.

You're missing the trees for the forest, this is a warehouse with weapons strewn about and many non-weapons to be turned into weapons, a McClane speciality, that, It' not like they're all going to run into the middle and have a H2H free-for-all.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And how many kills were executed while in h2h combat? Not after the fact, you know, when a girl kicks the shit outta him, or when he is ***** kicked off an airplane by a man who is not one tenth the fighter Riggs is? I am talking about while throwing hands with an opponent, not behind the wheel of an SUV.

How many did Riggs kill without a gun..? Less than Mcclane, I think.

You mention the SUV AGAIN like Riggs never rellied on Murtargh and the odd shipping container to assist his kills.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're missing the trees for the forest, this is a warehouse with weapons strewn about and many non-weapons to be turned into weapons, a McClane speciality, that, It' not like they're all going to run into the middle and have a H2H free-for-all. Swords, knives and handguns......Seeing as we never see McClane with a knife or sword, and seeing as how Riggs is an accomplished martial artist who HAS killed with a knife, and seeing how Riggs is a far better shot than McClane, yeah, McClane wouldnt last long here. Not near as long as Riggs.

But it's irrevelant, why are we even talking about Riggs? He isnt a combatant here.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
How many did Riggs kill without a gun..? Less than Mcclane, I think.

You mention the SUV AGAIN like Riggs never rellied on Murtargh and the odd shipping container to assist his kills. What I just said.

BTW: Riggs should be here. So should Plissken, El Mariachi, and several others.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Swords, knives and handguns......Seeing as we never see McClane with a knife or sword, and seeing as how Riggs is an accomplished martial artist who HAS killed with a knife, and seeing how Riggs is a far better shot than McClane, yeah, McClane wouldnt last long here. Not near as long as Riggs.

But it's irrevelant, why are we even talking about Riggs? He isnt a combatant here.

Why not? You make enough references to the McClane/Riggs debate with all the SUV references etc.

You just said his name three times.

And he killed with a knife...? Wow.
I bet McClane couldnt do that.... ...no instead he stabs people in the eye with icicles and shit. Cause thats how he rolls.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Why not? You make enough references to the McClane/Riggs debate with all the SUV references etc.

You just said his name three times.

And he killed with a knife...? Wow.
I bet McClane couldnt do that.... ...no instead he stabs people in the eye with icicles and shit. Cause thats how he rolls. Just saying. We see Riggs with a knife. We dont see McClane with an knife.

BTW, wasnt that dude he icicled Meat from Porky's?

I wouldnt be surprised.

Just watched it, yeah it was

Poor Meat...guess his massive dong was no match for the McClane icicle.

The irony was that he'd never see it coming.

Originally posted by Placidity
It was a good thread.
thank u

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Swords, knives and handguns......Seeing as we never see McClane with a knife or sword, and seeing as how Riggs is an accomplished martial artist who HAS killed with a knife, and seeing how Riggs is a far better shot than McClane, yeah, McClane wouldnt last long here. Not near as long as Riggs.

But it's irrevelant, why are we even talking about Riggs? He isnt a combatant here.

You're talking about Riggs.

If Riggs was here, he wouldn't make it to the final three.

Bourne is still the most likely to take this, then Batman, because of the Bat-suit advantage.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
The irony was that he'd never see it coming. Wait, "see" it coming.............I saw that

Originally posted by Robtard
You're talking about Riggs.

If Riggs was here, he wouldn't make it to the final three.

Bourne is still the most likely to take this, then Batman, because of the Bat-suit advantage. I say....

Bourne, Swagger in the end.

Batman would be among the first to go down.

Originally posted by Placidity
Damn you all for trolling this topic. It was a good thread.

Nice troll comment, troll.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I say....

Bourne, Swagger in the end.

Batman would be among the first to go down.

Why again? He's the most protected considering he has his suit (also gives him instant defense/offense with the forearm blades) and he's a master at stealth; there are many places to hide in a warehouse.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi


BTW: Riggs should be here. So should Plissken, El Mariachi, and several others.




when i made this i couldn't think of anyones else i agree with El mariachi im not a big Riggs guy and ive never seen escape fro m new york

EFNY is full of win win win.

Originally posted by batmanfan136
when i made this i couldn't think of anyones else i agree with El mariachi im not a big Riggs guy and ive never seen escape fro m new york

Bourne still be it.

Snake would probably make it to final three, despite having limited peripheral and depth in his vision, because he's a survivor.

He survived well against that CGI shark in escape from LA.

That was the fake shark on the Universal studios sign.

The one at the end of the movie...?


I remembered it seemed to be "alive" and detatched from all control..
Where was it stated that it was the universal shark near the end of the movie...? And how can CGI have a physical prescence when it is "live" in a movie...

Anyways.









EFNY:



Some quality late 70s/early 80s Carpenter genius shit.















































EFLA:


Just 'Shit'.

Word. The EFNY soundtrack was AWESOME.

Absolutely.

And he wrote that himself, Carpenter.
All those classic score/sounds.

Back then Carpenter was the bollocks.

(Arguably until the post-'vampires' era.)

I like the darkness of the movie, reminds me of "The Crow." Very gothic.

With a post apocalyptic feel to that gothicness too.

EFLA was just too, I dunno.....Bright? Cheery? CRAPPY?

All of the above.
Generic, bad written dialogue and script and character design that could have come from members of New Kids on the Block, even the villains.

Awful. Awful. Awful.

And Snake just looked cooler in EFNY, didnt he? I didnt like the whole stealth thing.

Yeah it was total rubbish.

What was UP with the surf scene?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What was UP with the surf scene?

That's when Pliskin 'jumped the shark.'

I wonder how knowingly the makers did that.

Were they secret Happy Days fans...?

I laughed blood from my nose, ears and internal organs when I saw that scene. Then reflected on the terrible, horror of it all and bled some more.

haermm

Why is everyone here saying McClane is just lucky? Granted he did get lucky in the first Die Hard when that terrorist was called back when he was inspecting the air ducts. However if you want major luck, take a look at slasher films or Smallville. The police not believing the teenagers when they say a killer is on the loose or someone not noticing the killer killing off their friend who isn't anymore than five feet away. Or in Smallville when someone has Clark down with kryponite, but they always decide to leave Clark alone for whatever reason, thus giving him a chance to get away from the green K, now that's luck for you. What McClane does most of the time is improvising. He's a master improviser. Even better than Mr. Rattle them cages and I blew up a house with a magazine and toaster.

Also people shouldn't short change Rambo here. He fought more enemies at the same time than anyone else here. Too bad the fight didn't have original Bond and the setting was the city. I would love to see original Bond own Batman in a car chase.

Originally posted by HumanMovieGuide
Why is everyone here saying McClane is just lucky? Granted he did get lucky in the first Die Hard when that terrorist was called back when he was inspecting the air ducts. However if you want major luck, take a look at slasher films or Smallville. The police not believing the teenagers when they say a killer is on the loose or someone not noticing the killer killing off their friend who isn't anymore than five feet away. Or in Smallville when someone has Clark down with kryponite, but they always decide to leave Clark alone for whatever reason, thus giving him a chance to get away from the green K, now that's luck for you. What McClane does most of the time is improvising. He's a master improviser. Even better than Mr. Rattle them cages and I blew up a house with a magazine and toaster.
Also people shouldn't short change Rambo here. He fought more enemies at the same time than anyone else here. Too bad the fight didn't have original Bond and the setting was the city. I would love to see original Bond own Batman in a car chase.


i totally agree with u on all of the basically, and to the bond batman thing, well i mean Batman's forte is not really driving not that bonds is either I'm just saying

Originally posted by HumanMovieGuide
Why is everyone here saying McClane is just lucky? Granted he did get lucky in the first Die Hard when that terrorist was called back when he was inspecting the air ducts. However if you want major luck, take a look at slasher films or Smallville. The police not believing the teenagers when they say a killer is on the loose or someone not noticing the killer killing off their friend who isn't anymore than five feet away. Or in Smallville when someone has Clark down with kryponite, but they always decide to leave Clark alone for whatever reason, thus giving him a chance to get away from the green K, now that's luck for you. What McClane does most of the time is improvising. He's a master improviser. Even better than Mr. Rattle them cages and I blew up a house with a magazine and toaster.

Also people shouldn't short change Rambo here. He fought more enemies at the same time than anyone else here. Too bad the fight didn't have original Bond and the setting was the city. I would love to see original Bond own Batman in a car chase. Because without his luck he is just a beat cop.

Originally posted by HumanMovieGuide
WWhat McClane does most of the time is improvising. He's a master improviser. Even better than Mr. Rattle them cages and I blew up a house with a magazine and toaster.


Tell that to the anti-McClane fanboys... if McClane runs out of bullets, he drives a police car up a makeshift ramp and sends it flying into a helicopter.

Originally posted by Robtard
Tell that to the anti-McClane fanboys... if McClane runs out of bullets, he drives a police car up a makeshift ramp and sends it flying into a helicopter.

So Rob, do you agree with this clown that McClane is better at improvising than Jason Bourne?

You are about to have all your e-cred points deducted.

Originally posted by Placidity
So Rob, do you agree with this clown that McClane is better at improvising than Jason Bourne?

You are about to have all your e-cred points deducted. Rob believes that McClane can beat anyone at any time. No exceptions.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Rob believes that McClane can beat anyone at any time. No exceptions. Yeah, he's like the Wolverine of the Movie Forum. Batman would take him in H2H, as well as the others on this list.

Originally posted by Placidity
So Rob, do you agree with this clown that McClane is better at improvising than Jason Bourne?

You are about to have all your e-cred points deducted.

Depends, some would consider using a speed car and makeshift ramp to take out a helicopter as a superior improvisation than say rolling up a magazine to attack with.

Nonsense, my eCreds go up with every post.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Yeah, he's like the Wolverine of the Movie Forum. Batman would take him in H2H, as well as the others on this list. I can name at least a dozen people who would pwn McClane.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Rob believes that McClane can beat anyone at any time. No exceptions. Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Yeah, he's like the Wolverine of the Movie Forum. Batman would take him in H2H, as well as the others on this list.


Hahahhaa, no, you two ****ing baboons, in this very thread I said Bourne would most likely win,

Originally posted by Robtard
Hahahhaa, no, you two ****ing baboons, in this very thread I said Bourne would most likely win, Most likely doesnt cut it, Bourne would pwn McClane 100/100, in any and every fight scenario.

Batman curled his former masters body weight with one arm and has the best stealth. OP says Batman, not Bruce Wayne, thus he has everything on him from TDK. He was trained to be a world class assassin and and already shown that he can take on lots of people with weapons.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Most likely doesnt cut it, Bourne would pwn McClane 100/100, in any and every fight scenario.

Now you're being really ignorant, I believe this is caused by your anti-McClane disease.

How does me saying "Bourne would most likely win here" automatically translate to "McClane PWNS Bourne", when there's many other fighters in here? (hint: it doesn't, so just stop, let the McClane hate go and get back on topic)

Originally posted by Robtard
Now you're being really ignorant, I believe this is caused by your anti-McClane disease.

How does me saying "Bourne would most likely win here" automatically translate to "McClane PWNS Bourne", when there's many other fighters in here? (hint: it doesn't, so just stop, let the McClane hate go and get back on topic) Unless Bourne is handcuffed and blindfolded, and McClane has a gun at Bournes head, Bourne pwns.

Start a thread about it if you like discussing it so much.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Batman curled his former masters body weight with one arm and has the best stealth. OP says Batman, not Bruce Wayne, thus he has everything on him from TDK. He was trained to be a world class assassin and and already shown that he can take on lots of people with weapons.

I said in the first page, if Batman gets a sword, he cuts down anyone without a pistol. Also pointed out that of all the combatants, he's the only one to not only start with great defensive (the suit), he starts with a weapon, his forearm blades. Bourne's awesome, but he's not blocking those blades with just his fist.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Unless Bourne is handcuffed and blindfolded, and McClane has a gun at Bournes head, Bourne pwns.

Start a thread about it if you like discussing it so much.

WTF is wrong with you?

Originally posted by Robtard
WTF is wrong with you?

Quite a few things. But thats Irrelevant.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Quite a few things. But thats Irrelevant.

Well the one that's causing you to act foolish here, right now, that one, fix it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Well the one that's causing you to act foolish here, right now, that one, fix it. Bya acknowledging that Bourne pwns McClane any day of the week? Is that the one?

Ugh.

Hard to swallow, I know.

You do realize you're being a fool, yes?

Originally posted by Robtard
You do realize you're being a fool, yes? Nah, what's foolish is thinking McClane would win this battle.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f102/t509103.html

Oh yes, yet another thread you cater so the guy you want win, wins. Then when people poke holes in your scenario and show you how someone besides your predetermined target wins, you quickly change and re-gimp the setting.

Still, my all time favorite is your Batman Vs. Bob Lee Swagger, that was epic levels of catering and zero objectivity from the start, true LoL-fest, that.

p.s. Good night pumpkin, sleep well and dream of Swagger's body.

Originally posted by Robtard
Oh yes, yet another thread you cater so the guy you want win, wins. Then when people poke holes in your scenario and show you how someone besides your predetermined target wins, you quickly change and re-gimp the setting.

Still, my all time favorite is your Batman Vs. Bob Lee Swagger, that was epic levels of catering and zero objectivity from the start, true LoL-fest, that.

p.s. Good night pumpkin, sleep well and dream of Swagger's body.

Actually, my projected winners are the Smith's in the first scenario, Leon in the second. Facts are fun, you should like pay attention and get them straight.

I forgive you, I know that facing the fact that your boy McClane is way outclassed in that thread is tough on you.

Read this list VERY carefully, one name at a time, and tell me McClane wins. Go ahead, Lie to yourself.

El Maricahi

Mr. Smith (Last man standing)

Smith (Shoot 'em up)

Mr. and Mrs. Smith (Mr. and Mrs. Smith), as a team

Bob Lee Swagger

Martin Riggs and Roger Murtaugh

El Wray (Planet Terror)

Vincent (Collateral)

Snake Plissken

John Lee (Chow Yun-Fat in "The Replacement Killers"

Javier Bardem (No country for old men)

Lou and Marcus (Christopher Lambert and Michael Halsey from "Mean guns", as a team.

Ghost Dog

Leon (The Professional)

Chad and Alex Wagner (The twins from "Double Impact" as a team.

Sarah Connor, T2 version

Johnny Rico (Starship Troopers)

Ripley (Aliens version)

Inspector 'Tequila' Yuen

Now you're mixing threads, odd. This McClane hate is really silly, he's just a movie character, let it go.

Yep. Besides:

McClane beats them all with the amount of movies and amount of kills.

(Ripley has the same amount of films, but didnt kill anywhere near the amount of people McClane did.)

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Read this list VERY carefully, one name at a time, and tell me McClane wins. Go ahead, Lie to yourself.

El Maricahi

Mr. Smith (Last man standing)

Smith (Shoot 'em up)

Mr. and Mrs. Smith (Mr. and Mrs. Smith), as a team

Bob Lee Swagger

Martin Riggs and Roger Murtaugh

El Wray (Planet Terror)

Vincent (Collateral)

Snake Plissken

John Lee (Chow Yun-Fat in "The Replacement Killers"

Javier Bardem (No country for old men)

Lou and Marcus (Christopher Lambert and Michael Halsey from "Mean guns", as a team.

Ghost Dog

Leon (The Professional)

Chad and Alex Wagner (The twins from "Double Impact" as a team.

Sarah Connor, T2 version

Johnny Rico (Starship Troopers)

Ripley (Aliens version)

Inspector 'Tequila' Yuen



I'm sort of confused wut that has to do with anything since that's a completely different thread and McClane could defeat a few of them

haermm
i was glancing through the thread titles and saw this one, i thought it said "battle in a whorehouse" laughcry

McClane would win that one too, with his McPenis.

Originally posted by Robtard
Now you're mixing threads, odd. This McClane hate is really silly, he's just a movie character, let it go. Yeah, my bad, lets keep each thread seperate. As for this thread, these combatants:

1.Byran mills(Taken)
2.Jason Bourne( Bourne series)
3.Bob Lee Swagger (Shooter)
4.James Bond (Daniel Craig's)(Bond Series)
5. John Rambo (Rambo series)
6. John McClane ( Die Hard Series)
7. Batman ( Nolan's verison)

This is how they break down in terms of skill:

Jason Bourne( Bourne series)
John Rambo (Rambo series)
Batman ( Nolan's verison)
James Bond (Daniel Craig's)(Bond Series)
Bob Lee Swagger (Shooter)
John McClane ( Die Hard Series)

I didnt rate Mills because I didnt see "Taken."

People McClane is a good improviser. Here I'll even make a list off the top of my head.

- When McClane encountered his first terrorist, he gets into a brawl and then uses a stairwell to kill the guy.
- After McClane kills the guy, he puts his body on an elevator with the words "now I have a machine gun" written on his sweater for the other terrorist to find. IIRC wasn't McClane on top of that elevator looking down so he can identify the other terrorists and can get more info about their plans?
- When McClane fights the guy's older brother Karl (no not Carl Winslow), again McClane uses his surround to his advantage. This time he gets the guy to chase him up a stairwell so McClane can wrap a chain around his neck and push him off, hanging the guy.
- Hans decide to screw his plans and blow up the roof to kill McClane. McClane then uses a fire hose to jump off the building and swing down to the lower floors.
- At the end when McClane tries to save his wife, he knew they would use her to force him to drop his weapon. He was right. So he took out the last two bullets from his machine gun and loads them inside a small handgun. He then tapes the gun to his shirtless back, giving the illusion he has no weapons on him.
- In Die Hard 2, when McClane was fighting terrorists dressed up as repair men, he was trying to get one person that was on top of a scaffle. In most things the two characters would of had a shoot off when they're constantly firing and taking cover until someone finally dies. Not this time. McClane simply pushes the scaffle over and causes the guy to fall off. Now that's how you do it.
- Later in that fight McClane gets stuck under I believe a scaffle, his gun is out of reach and a terrorist is approaching him. Well I guess John is screwed now. No wait he hits the button on the conveyer belt and has the gun come to him.
- When the terrorist have McClane cornered inside a plane, they decide to give McClane a fancy funeral by blowing up the thing. McClane then uses the ejector seats to escape the explosion.
- In the end when the terrorist manage to knock John off the 747, McClane retaliates by using a lighter of all simple things to blow the thing up by lighting the gasoline trail that he opened up on his way down.
- In Die Hard 3, John wins another fight by hitting a level that cause a chain swing and knock his opponent off his feet. Then he uses the chain to beat the guy down.
- When John and Samuel L. Jackson were handcuffed to a bomb, Sam drops the pin to try and free himself. Instead of wasting time, McClane uses the explosive liquids from the bomb itself to free Samuel.
- In his showdown with Simon, Simon shoots down McClane's helicopter, but John manages to beat him by shooting off a electrical wire off a nearby post that causes Simon's copter to crash.
- In Die Hard 4 a helicopter was shooting down at McClane and Justin Long, unable to fire back John gets rid of the gunner by running over a fire hydrant and have the gushing water knock the guy off the copter.
- Later McClane gets rid of the copter itself by using a toll booth as a ramp to hurl the car at he copter.
- While McClane was helping Justin escape from terrorist, he gets rid of one of them by rolling a fire extinguisher near him and shooting it. Causing it to blow and send the guy flying out of the building.
- During McClane's fight with "Spider Man", after seeing how difficult it is to shoot him, John beats him by releasing the gas in the pipes they were fighting on to cause the guy to fall to his death.
- John has to beat a fighter jet with nothing but a truck. No power lines to use, no fire hydrants nearby, and no leaked gas tank to ignite. How does he do it? By using the wreckage from his own damage truck to fall into the jet's engines once the jet had to lower down to his level in order to machine gun him.
- Now McClane has to make a escape because the freeway bridges they were fighting on was collapsing. There's nothing he can use to swing down, so he's screwed now right? Nope McClane jumps onto the same fighter jet that was attacking him, then jumps into a section of the freeway that was already destroyed to escape the upcoming explosions.
- In the final confrontation, McClane gets shot and has Thomas Gabriel using him as a human shield with a gun pointed at his head. What does he do? Grabs the gun and points it into his gunshot wound and shots himself. Causing the bullet to go through both of them.

And remember that list was off the top of my head. Now lets see Jason Bourne's and Batman's list of improvising.

Also on another thread someone said if a person had a gun right infront of McClane, with John's luck the gun will jam. Guess what? McClane did had guns right infront of him and no it didn't jam. Instead this is what happened. A person pulled out a gun infront of John, he twist the guy's arms in a special lock. However the guy still had his gun in his hand. He opened fire and John impressively managed to dodge the bullet of a gun that was literally inches from his face. Then there was another time when someone snuck behind John and Justin. McClane drops his weapon and raises his arms. He then runs backwards to use his raised arms to lock the bad guy's arm, then he judo tossed him onto a chair and kicks the chair down McClane's old friend the stairwell. That's not luck, that's skills. Where's all this apparent luck that I keep on hearing about? Here are the examples I can think of.

- In the first Die Hard movie McClane was in the air vents and one of the terrorist was checking them. Luckily was called back and McClane wasn't found.
- In Die Hard 3, Samuel comes into help McClane deal with a mob. Though in my opinion this was just to introduce Samuel into the film and John could have survived that mob without Sam's help.

Anything else? I could list two other examples of McClane's apparent luck factor coming into play.

- In Die Hard, when John was traveling in between the ducts, he reaches an area where he can plummet to his death. McClane then uses his gun to climb down onto another duct. However the plastic stock on his gun breaks off and John nearly falls to his death.
- In Die Hard 3 when John and Samuel were on the freighter, Samuel tries to be a hero but gets captured. It leads to John being force to surrender and handcuffed to the bomb.

Great luck there right? If you want to see lucky people, look at the horror slasher films and Smallville example that I gave. Heck superheroes seem to have better luck.

- After getting gassed by Green Goblin, Norman could had killed Spidey or pulled off his mask to see it's Peter. But nope Norman just wanted to talk to Spider-man and offer a team up.
- During the bridge scene, Spider-man just had to hold onto the cable tram as a barge goes underneath it. However Green Goblin was knocking Spider-man off while this was happening. Luckily there were people on the bridge that scared off Norman.
- During Peter's train fight with Doc Ock, he manages to stop the train once it reaches the very end of the track. However Peter passes out and is about to fall off. Luckily the people grabbed onto Spidey and pulled him in.
- In the end fight of Spider-man 3, Peter was getting killed by Venom and Sandman. Luckily Harry decided to help out his old friends.
- In Batman Begins, Batman gets gassed by Scarecrow. Luckily Morgan Freeman was able to create an antidote and cure him.
- Later in Batman Begins, Batman discovers the true identity of Ra's al Ghul. Liam Neeson fights Bruce, a wooden beam then falls down and knocks out Batman. Ghul orders his men to make sure Batman doesn't make it out alive. Luckily Alfred knocks out the person watching Bruce and wakes up Bruce. If Alfred didn't came, Bruce would had surely died in the fire.

And how well would his luck hold up against these combatants? Not very well, realistically speaking.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And how well would his luck hold up against these combatants? Not very well, realistically speaking.

Did you even read what I wrote? The point I was making was that McClane beats people with his skills, not his luck. IMO his luck isn't any better than Batman's or Spider-man's.

Originally posted by HumanMovieGuide
Did you even read what I wrote? The point I was making was that McClane beats people with his skills, not his luck. IMO his luck isn't any better than Batman's or Spider-man's. McClane relies way more on luck than skill, thats painfully obvious. His luck FAR supercedes Batman and Spiderman's.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
McClane relies way more on luck than skill, thats painfully obvious. His luck FAR supercedes Batman and Spiderman's.

List them. Cause I wrote a very long post that shows otherwise.

Originally posted by HumanMovieGuide
List them. Cause I wrote a very long post that shows otherwise. List them? What's to list? McClane has luck like a leprechaun with a four leaf clover sticking outta his ass. All you have to do is watch any of the Die Hard movies to see this.

Its a blend.

A scientific formula of McClane would be:

His free will + his improvisation x his luck = Outcome.

Damn good list, HMG.

There was one correction, I believe actually blew two mercenaries away when he hurled the fire-bottled down the hall and shot it, one guy flew out the window, one guy flew down the stairs.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
List them? What's to list? McClane has luck like a leprechaun with a four leaf clover sticking outta his ass. All you have to do is watch any of the Die Hard movies to see this.

Come on now, he took the time to make a long list and solidify his stance, so you can do better than that.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
List them? What's to list? McClane has luck like a leprechaun with a four leaf clover sticking outta his ass. All you have to do is watch any of the Die Hard movies to see this.

So Robtard is right about you then.

Originally posted by Robtard
Come on now, he took the time to make a long list and solidify his stance, so you can do better than that. Dude, you make a living praising McClane and his luck, you have a habit of saying it enables him to win against the odds, why are you even arguing this now? You saying McClane now has no luck? Pick a stance and stick with it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, you make a living praising McClane and his luck, you have a habit of saying it enables him to win against the odds, why are you even arguing this now? You saying McClane now has no luck? Pick a stance and stick with it.

I've said his luck is a marketable feat in these threads, I've also gone on and on relating specific skills of McClane, as HMG has. So I've never said "it's all just luck", because luck doesn't send a police cruiser flying into an airborne helli, nor does it protect the guy driving said cruiser from a constant hail of machine gun fire. That's skill my man, McSkill.

Originally posted by Robtard
I've said his luck is a marketable feat in these threads, I've also gone on and on relating specific skills of McClane, as HMG has. So I've never said "it's all just luck", because luck doesn't send a police cruiser flying into an airborne helli, nor just it protect the guy driving said cruiser from a constant hail of machine gun fire. That's skill my man, McSkill. And how does that help him in a warehouse battle? It doesnt.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And how does that help him in a warehouse battle? It doesnt.

You're telling me all those skill feats HMG listed above wouldn't help him here?

Really, your McRage, McAnger and McButt-hurt are seriously blinding you.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're telling me all those skill feats HMG listed above wouldn't help him here?

Really, your McRage, McAnger and McButt-hurt are seriously blinding you. See, I love this. I told you long ago, many moons ago that McClane is one of my fave action heroes, even moreso than Riggs, and you always go back the the McRage, McAnger, or Mcwhatever bullshit. If you look in my profile, you will see the Die Hard movies as some of my all time faves.

I love McClane. McClane is the shit. But I m a realist and know when one of my fave guys are outclassed.

Are we McClear?

You're McIrrational behavior doesn't McJive with what you're McSaying in regards to McClane.

You still have yet to accept that McClane KO'd the ninja-girl in DH4 and could have killed her, but stick to "she beat McClane H2H", still.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're McIrrational behavior doesn't McJive with what you're McSaying in regards to McClane.

You still have yet to accept that McClane KO'd the ninja-girl in DH4 and could have killed her, but stick to "she beat McClane H2H", still. My point there is that he turned his back on her when he shouldn't have, thats all. Did he or did he not think she was down for the count?

Originally posted by HumanMovieGuide
People McClane is a good improviser. Here I'll even make a list off the top of my head.

- When McClane encountered his first terrorist, he gets into a brawl and then uses a stairwell to kill the guy.
- After McClane kills the guy, he puts his body on an elevator with the words "now I have a machine gun" written on his sweater for the other terrorist to find. IIRC wasn't McClane on top of that elevator looking down so he can identify the other terrorists and can get more info about their plans?
- When McClane fights the guy's older brother Karl (no not Carl Winslow), again McClane uses his surround to his advantage. This time he gets the guy to chase him up a stairwell so McClane can wrap a chain around his neck and push him off, hanging the guy.
- Hans decide to screw his plans and blow up the roof to kill McClane. McClane then uses a fire hose to jump off the building and swing down to the lower floors.
- At the end when McClane tries to save his wife, he knew they would use her to force him to drop his weapon. He was right. So he took out the last two bullets from his machine gun and loads them inside a small handgun. He then tapes the gun to his shirtless back, giving the illusion he has no weapons on him.
- In Die Hard 2, when McClane was fighting terrorists dressed up as repair men, he was trying to get one person that was on top of a scaffle. In most things the two characters would of had a shoot off when they're constantly firing and taking cover until someone finally dies. Not this time. McClane simply pushes the scaffle over and causes the guy to fall off. Now that's how you do it.
- Later in that fight McClane gets stuck under I believe a scaffle, his gun is out of reach and a terrorist is approaching him. Well I guess John is screwed now. No wait he hits the button on the conveyer belt and has the gun come to him.
- When the terrorist have McClane cornered inside a plane, they decide to give McClane a fancy funeral by blowing up the thing. McClane then uses the ejector seats to escape the explosion.
- In the end when the terrorist manage to knock John off the 747, McClane retaliates by using a lighter of all simple things to blow the thing up by lighting the gasoline trail that he opened up on his way down.
- In Die Hard 3, John wins another fight by hitting a level that cause a chain swing and knock his opponent off his feet. Then he uses the chain to beat the guy down.
- When John and Samuel L. Jackson were handcuffed to a bomb, Sam drops the pin to try and free himself. Instead of wasting time, McClane uses the explosive liquids from the bomb itself to free Samuel.
- In his showdown with Simon, Simon shoots down McClane's helicopter, but John manages to beat him by shooting off a electrical wire off a nearby post that causes Simon's copter to crash.
- In Die Hard 4 a helicopter was shooting down at McClane and Justin Long, unable to fire back John gets rid of the gunner by running over a fire hydrant and have the gushing water knock the guy off the copter.
- Later McClane gets rid of the copter itself by using a toll booth as a ramp to hurl the car at he copter.
- While McClane was helping Justin escape from terrorist, he gets rid of one of them by rolling a fire extinguisher near him and shooting it. Causing it to blow and send the guy flying out of the building.
- During McClane's fight with "Spider Man", after seeing how difficult it is to shoot him, John beats him by releasing the gas in the pipes they were fighting on to cause the guy to fall to his death.
- John has to beat a fighter jet with nothing but a truck. No power lines to use, no fire hydrants nearby, and no leaked gas tank to ignite. How does he do it? By using the wreckage from his own damage truck to fall into the jet's engines once the jet had to lower down to his level in order to machine gun him.
- Now McClane has to make a escape because the freeway bridges they were fighting on was collapsing. There's nothing he can use to swing down, so he's screwed now right? Nope McClane jumps onto the same fighter jet that was attacking him, then jumps into a section of the freeway that was already destroyed to escape the upcoming explosions.
- In the final confrontation, McClane gets shot and has Thomas Gabriel using him as a human shield with a gun pointed at his head. What does he do? Grabs the gun and points it into his gunshot wound and shots himself. Causing the bullet to go through both of them.

And remember that list was off the top of my head. Now lets see Jason Bourne's and Batman's list of improvising.

Also on another thread someone said if a person had a gun right infront of McClane, with John's luck the gun will jam. Guess what? McClane did had guns right infront of him and no it didn't jam. Instead this is what happened. A person pulled out a gun infront of John, he twist the guy's arms in a special lock. However the guy still had his gun in his hand. He opened fire and John impressively managed to dodge the bullet of a gun that was literally inches from his face. Then there was another time when someone snuck behind John and Justin. McClane drops his weapon and raises his arms. He then runs backwards to use his raised arms to lock the bad guy's arm, then he judo tossed him onto a chair and kicks the chair down McClane's old friend the stairwell. That's not luck, that's skills. Where's all this apparent luck that I keep on hearing about? Here are the examples I can think of.

- In the first Die Hard movie McClane was in the air vents and one of the terrorist was checking them. Luckily was called back and McClane wasn't found.
- In Die Hard 3, Samuel comes into help McClane deal with a mob. Though in my opinion this was just to introduce Samuel into the film and John could have survived that mob without Sam's help.

Anything else? I could list two other examples of McClane's apparent luck factor coming into play.

- In Die Hard, when John was traveling in between the ducts, he reaches an area where he can plummet to his death. McClane then uses his gun to climb down onto another duct. However the plastic stock on his gun breaks off and John nearly falls to his death.
- In Die Hard 3 when John and Samuel were on the freighter, Samuel tries to be a hero but gets captured. It leads to John being force to surrender and handcuffed to the bomb.

Great luck there right? If you want to see lucky people, look at the horror slasher films and Smallville example that I gave. Heck superheroes seem to have better luck.

- After getting gassed by Green Goblin, Norman could had killed Spidey or pulled off his mask to see it's Peter. But nope Norman just wanted to talk to Spider-man and offer a team up.
- During the bridge scene, Spider-man just had to hold onto the cable tram as a barge goes underneath it. However Green Goblin was knocking Spider-man off while this was happening. Luckily there were people on the bridge that scared off Norman.
- During Peter's train fight with Doc Ock, he manages to stop the train once it reaches the very end of the track. However Peter passes out and is about to fall off. Luckily the people grabbed onto Spidey and pulled him in.
- In the end fight of Spider-man 3, Peter was getting killed by Venom and Sandman. Luckily Harry decided to help out his old friends.
- In Batman Begins, Batman gets gassed by Scarecrow. Luckily Morgan Freeman was able to create an antidote and cure him.
- Later in Batman Begins, Batman discovers the true identity of Ra's al Ghul. Liam Neeson fights Bruce, a wooden beam then falls down and knocks out Batman. Ghul orders his men to make sure Batman doesn't make it out alive. Luckily Alfred knocks out the person watching Bruce and wakes up Bruce. If Alfred didn't came, Bruce would had surely died in the fire.

Sir, I salute you. That IS an awesome list.
I demand that RJ acknowledges this damning submission.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Sir, I salute you. That IS an awesome list.
I demand that RJ acknowledges this damning submission.


Jeez, if it will quiet the gathering McMob, consider it done.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
My point there is that he turned his back on her when he shouldn't have, thats all. Did he or did he not think she was down for the count?

She WAS.

The standard count is eight seconds and that ***** was out cold, and failed to get up off of both knees by the eight count..

She just didn't know when to McQuit.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Jeez, if it will quiet the gathering McMob, consider it done.

It will avert the Mc-anger of the anti-bullshit lobby, maybe...

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
My point there is that he turned his back on her when he shouldn't have, thats all. Did he or did he not think she was down for the count?

Because he thought she was out for the long haul, as her eyes McRolled to the back of her McHead.

So how did she beat him in H2H, as you think, is the question?

A very pertainent one.

Originally posted by HumanMovieGuide
People McClane is a good improviser. Here I'll even make a list off the top of my head.

- When McClane encountered his first terrorist, he gets into a brawl and then uses a stairwell to kill the guy. He didnt use the stairwell, he FELL down the stairwell and gravity killed the guy. LUCK.


So McClane was gathering Intel on his enemies. Any decently trained cop/soldier/whatever would do this.

You seriously think he was thinking "I am gonna run up these stairs, get him to follow, and use the chain to strangle him?" Also, Karl LIVED, and almost killed McClane. If it hadnt been for Al, Mac and his bitchy wife would have been KIA.

How does this help in a warehouse battle.

I'll admit that was pretty cool.

Kinda like Riggs getting Rog to distract the flamethrower guy while he blows off the valve on the backpack?

And if the gun had fallen onto the pavement, not a moving platform, McClane would have been dead. LUCK.

Not skill, all he did was pull a lever. LUCK.

You or I could have done this, Point?

Need I list similar fight scenes from different movies from varying characters?

How does this help him in a warehouse battle?

Again, I will admit, pretty cool.

How....does.....this....help.....him.....in.....a.....ware.....house.....battle?

No choppers, cars or toll booths in the warehouse.

So? Riggs used a surfboard to kill a guy in LW2.

Mac was LUCKY yet again, he looked up and was like coooooooooooool. Lucky me.

He didnt beat the fighter jet, he was hanging on for dear life as a piece of debris hit the jets engines.

And there was not a single bit of luck there?

I never denied McClane was tough as nails.

Whoa, McClane DODGED the bullet? He pushed the guys hand aside and caused dude to miss, same as dude did him. They BOTH missed.

Mhm, LUCK.


Ans if Zues hadnt appeared, McClane would have been gangbanged. LUCK.

He was falling and reached out for anything to stop his fall, LUCKILY he came across an air duct.

So Zues was a dumbass, not a trained cop.

Originally posted by Robtard
Because he thought she was out for the long haul, as her eyes McRolled to the back of her McHead.

So how did she beat him in H2H, as you think, is the question? Because as the h2h battle ended, she had the upper hand.

No The necklock that McClane had him in helped.
To not give McClane credit there is insane.

Never claimed it didnt.

You did in your 1st part of your post. You credited it to luck and gravity, and you didnt acknoweldge McClane's role in snapping Karl's bro's neck like it were chicken bones..

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You did in your 1st part of your post. You credited it to luck and gravity, and you didnt acknoweldge McClane's role in snapping Karl's bro's neck like it were chicken bones.. That was the dude with small feet. I am talking about Karl and the chain.

Well in any case you still denied McClane his rightful credit at beating him H2H then strangling him with a chain.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well in any case you still denied McClane his rightful credit at beating him H2H then strangling him with a chain. When have I ever claimed that McClane didnt beat Karl h2h?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Because as the h2h battle ended, she had the upper hand.

She knocked him down (a window this time) again is all; this was AFTER he had KO'd her. Thereby winning the H2H.

Originally posted by Robtard
She knocked him down (a window this time) again is all; this was AFTER he had KO'd her. Thereby winning the H2H. OK, well, if this is the case, he won round one, she won round two.

One point kicks do not win rounds in non tournaments.

McClanes mastery of her was definitive, she just f***ed up by showing him where the SUVs were.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, well, if this is the case, he won round one, she won round two.

Again, how is just being knocked down and you're instantly able to get back up mean you lost a fight?<--- please do answer this

McClane was never KO'd in either instance of her sending him on his ass.

Robtard thinks you have no idea what you're running on about, Robtard also thinks you're stubbornly denying that McClane won the H2H, as this was your main reason in saying "Riggs beats McClane", since according to your skewed viewpoint, "McClane lost to a girl."

Originally posted by Robtard
Again, how is just being knocked down and you're instantly able to get back up mean you lost a fight? McClane was never KO'd in either instance of her sending him on his ass.

Me thinks you have no idea what you're running on about.

Damn Jar Jar, she sent him flying out a window, had the upper hand, the h2h battle was over. She beat him after he beat her. Its cut and dry.

As cut and dry as blamonge.

You are obviously high on Coke or you are Ray Charles/Stevie Wonder.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
As cut and dry as blamonge.

You are obviously high on Coke or you are Ray Charles/Stevie Wonder. Who had the upper hand in the fight when she kicked him out the window?

Considering the fact that she wasnt effective with it and he was able to then kill her as a result, I'd say McClane.

If she deserved to live, she'd have kicked him in the throat, or did something else to live but she was McClane fodder.

And she was able to return after he beat her. Teehee.

Well, she couldn't except as a ghost.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Damn Jar Jar, she sent him flying out a window, had the upper hand, the h2h battle was over. She beat him after he beat her. Its cut and dry.

Hahaha, willful ignorance.

She knocked him down, he got back up and beat her ass til she was lights-out.

What makes you think that he couldn't have done it again if he had the luxury(he didn't, he needed to save Justin Long) of walking back upstairs instead of taking a truck?

He won the H2H fight the moment she was out. Deep down inside you know this.

Ah, so McClane didnt have her beat when he threw her into the shelves?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And she was able to return after he beat her. Teehee.


Because he let her live, he could have killed her while she was out, stop ignoring that you clot.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Ah, so McClane didnt have her beat when he threw her into the shelves?

Good lord... he had her beat (aka won the H2H) when she passed out.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Ah, so McClane didnt have her beat when he threw her into the shelves?

It was a part of the process of beating her.

But basically, like Robtard rightfully says.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
It was a part of the process of beating her.

But basically, like Robtard rightfully says. Wow, I never realized that. McClane planned it that way. He planned on being kicked out the window and returning with the SUV.

Now you're just being a stupid bastard for the sake of being a stupid bastard.

She was passed out, had he been a villain, he would have killed her. He let her live, she woke the **** up and got one more good hit in, lucky for McClane, just being hit doesn't equal losing. Being knocked the **** out and at the mercy of your opponent does. As does having a truck rammed up your ass while you take a trip down an elevator shaft.

In short, McClane won the H2H battle by delivering the first KO. McClane won the SUV battle by delivering the first kill via truck. Either way, McClane "pwned" her ass.

Originally posted by Robtard
Now you're just being a stupid bastard for the sake of being a stupid bastard.

She was passed out, had he been a villain, he would have killed her. He let her live, she woke the **** up and got one more good hit in, lucky for McClane, just being hit doesn't equal a losing.

Being knocked the **** out and at the mercy of your opponent does. As does having a truck rammed up your ass while you take a trip down an elevator shaft.

In short, McClane won the H2H battle by delivering the first KO. McClane won the SUV battle by delivering the first kill via truck. Mercy? Funny, I dont remember McClane as being merciful.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Wow, I never realized that. McClane planned it that way. He planned on being kicked out the window and returning with the SUV.

No he invented that in the field.

For the 432,598,012th time..

She made it neccesary to save Matthew, The Eastern seaboard against the clock, so like you admitted earlier, it made more sense to close ground quickly.