StiltmanFTW - Thanks for the scans - I believe you're right.
Originally posted by jinzin
At no point was that stated, or even remotely implied. C'mon his wings work on as much instinct as he does. He was shot down and they were protecting him. He diced Sabretooth point blank and did little more than topical damage.
You really think he would've tried to decapitate the first being to stand over him?
He didn't try to kill people that attacked him in the previous stories. If you look at the scan, you can see Archy kicking Sabry back. I seriously doubt his wing attack was intended to be lethal.
Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah, no it didn't... You said that Warren could cut him in half. Yet his wings failed to cut through 3 quarters of Sabretooth's body...
I don't see what being poisoned has to do with his wings.
And not in a good position to attack?
He was hunched over point blank in front of his target for a perfectly angled strike.
If you look at scans 5 and 6, you'll notice that Archy cuts him at an angle. It looks like Sabry is cut more on the left side of his body and in scan 6 he's bleeding from the left side of his back as well (If the attack happened only on his stomach, then why is his ass covered in blood?) We also don't know if it was his wings that failed to cut through Sabry or if Archy didn't have enough strength to attack him properly.
Are you kidding me? Do you really think the poison didn't affect his wings at all? You do realise that Archy controls his wings via his nervous system and Sabry used nerve poison. Guess what nerve poison does? He could hardly stand.
Originally posted by jinzin
And yet he was STILL stabbing people and lopping off hands, and yet they still showed Sabretooth gutting Warren quite bluntly on panel.
That still doesn't compare to cutting someone in two. When's the last time you saw that on panel?
Originally posted by jinzin
He was in a rabid attempt to save his own life. You think he was holding back. great...
He might've given that shot everything he had, but it's pretty certain that the first shot wasn't intended to be a lethal one.
You realise that Warren held back a lot in this fight. He usfe his wings only twice during the fight. He didn't attack Sabry when he was down, he choose to kick and punch him instead.
Sabretooth "held back" (more like enjoyed his kill to be honest) because he's a sadist bastard . Archy held back because he's a hero.
Originally posted by jinzin
And yet he doesn't have the cut in the panel before that. The orange line breaks off into three seperate orange lines in that panel and in the panel he's being cut into, 3 quarters of his body is yet to be touched.
Fair enough - I suppose it's stupid to argue something based on art. I'm going to go by Sabretooth's thoughts instead. - why would he exaggerate something in his thoughts?
Originally posted by jinzin
And yet you ask me why I rolled my eyes?
Tell me. Which is more likely. Sabry jumping at flying Archy and scoring a lethal hit, or Archy cutting him in two (or decapitating him)
Originally posted by jinzin
Killpower plastered him directly in the back of the head to virtually no effect and was immediately counter attacked for his troubles.
I don't think Killpower is nowhere near class 100, I could be wrong though. Can you give me an Ish number?
Originally posted by jinzin
Ms. Marvel flat out stated that his musles were like steel cables and trying to nerve pinch them was useless.
When he crashlanded the blackbird he took the initial hit at ground zero and yet came out of the inferno with some hair and skin loss while Wolverine was practically a walking skeleton.
And while I don't think his tissue is entirely bullet proof it's certainly quite durable... Look at when Deadpool shot him with a grenade launcher. It failed to do more than singe his chest.
Then there's all the evidence that Stiltman posted.
And why on earth are you ignoring or discounting his skeleton anyways? In order to rend him in two Warren would have to get through skeleton no? So it matters.
Fair enough.
I wasn't ignoring his skeleton's durability. I'm quite aware of it's durability and I believe it's going to be the biggest problem if Archy were to cut him in half.
Can I get an Ish number on that Ms Marvel thing?
Did Sabretooth have his normal powerset back then or was he different like when he fought against Black Cat and Spider-man?
Originally posted by jinzin
And when it comes to his Skeleton, it IS bullet proof. Cyclops focused his beam to the size and density of a bullet directly into Sabretooth's forehead and it failed to penetrate. While we're at it, we've seen that Sabretooth's claws can easily rend through steel as well as Warrens own wings. Not his bones but his CLAWS are durable enough to do that.
I never doubted his skeleton's durability. It's quite obviously bullet proof.
Weren't Warren's feathered wings growing underneath the metal ones? Warren's old metal wings were composed of some kind of techno-organic material and I think even Wolverine couldn't really damage them. (When Cameron Hodge put them against each other. It looks like Wolverine scores a shot at the wings once) but I guess
we don't know.
Originally posted by jinzin
I'm inclined to disagree.
Then we have to agree to disagree.
Originally posted by jinzin
then that means he didn't have his Adamantium Skeleton at this point which means he was also taking shots from Sinisters Supermen, Sasquatch and Wendigo with no Adamantium Skeleton.
Do we know for certain when these events happened? They could've happened before he lost his adamantium. Do they give any hints on when those happened chronologically? I could check but... Meh..
Originally posted by jinzin
Further class 100 whethering, an argument only compounded by AOA Sabretooth who's also taken shots from Iron Man, and Meastro Hulk, to a bearer of the star brand with ease. Oh I know he's not mainstream.... Of course not, because his timeline deviated before his Apoc and Weapon X enhancements... Funny that Betty couldn't tell the difference between him and his 616 counterpart she fought and trained with years ago until he showed his mentality but she COULD immediately tell the difference between 616 and alternate Wolverine.
I think the general consensus is, that alternate timelines don't count for main universe characters. Weren't Wolverine's bones were supposed to be connected by very small adamantium ligaments? Cyke destroyed his hand in AOA etc.
Originally posted by jinzin
Considering that it was flat out stated? Yeah.
sorry 126
Yeah, sorry about that. I should've checked, but I was lazy.
Btw, # 126 doesn't say anything about Apocalypse or a healing factor upgrade.
Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah, well like I said, I disagree it'd be anywhere near as easy as you let on.
It sure as hell is easier than Sabretooth jumping and hitting Archy.
