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-Both were very fast gun slingers. Doc took out Ringo no prob and Ringo was supposed to be real fast. On the other hand though, Ben Wade was not only fast, but accurate. He one shotted almost all that he killed. So, is Doc's speed too much for Ben Wade or does Doc fall to "The Hand of God"?

Doc ill or doc normal?

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Doc ill or doc normal?

Good question. Just for rules sake, I'll go with sick Doc, only because thats how he is portrayed in the movie. We can only "guess" at how more bad ass he was when he was actually healthy.

Which Ben Wade? Glenn Ford or Russell Crowe?

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Which Ben Wade? Glenn Ford or Russell Crowe?

Crowe

I'm your Huckleberry.

Ben Wade.

The Lunger performed while being half-dead, Wade goes down.

Hand of God, nuff said.

Lunger's still faster, when he killed Ringo, it was The Fist OF GOD.

Ben Wade has a cooler hat.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Ben Wade has a cooler hat.

Yes, because that's a completely logical train of thought for a versus thread.

I say Doc takes this, but it won't be easy.

Doc takes this, since Val Kilmer is a better actor.

Doc wins. He's fast, accurate, and has no fear.

Originally posted by Impediment
Doc takes this, since Val Kilmer is a better actor.

I disagree, kind sir, Wade wins because Crowe throws a camera at him

Wade was fast enough to gun down his whole crew, people.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Wade was fast enough to gun down his whole crew, people.

And in his past life, he defeated an Emperor of Rome...oh wait, that doesn't count here. Sorry.

Im not familiar with Mr.Wade's activities, but totally applaud the originality of a Doc Holliday thread.

Depends I think, a lot on distance. Holiday didn't seem to be as good from distance. And we don't know how fast Wade can draw his gun. He can shoot crazy fast but it doesn't matter if he can't draw fast. If it's up close I'll give it to Doc, because he can draw fast and he pretty much shot Ringo from the hip if I remember correctly. Distance I give it to Wade, he's crazy accurate and a fast shooter, Holiday won't be able to headshot from the hip as he did at the end of Tombstone.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Im not familiar with Mr.Wade's activities, but totally applaud the originality of a Doc Holliday thread. Try this on:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=504275

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Wade was fast enough to gun down his whole crew, people.

yeah, and Doc is very ill. Although, that might be a testament to Docs' skill. Even though he is terminally ill he is still a dead eye. There were times when he was struggling to stand from drunkness and illness but he was still a crack shot.

Does it come in "NON nuthugging" vid format, or just that one...?

Consider the source, good sir.

Maybe you two should invest in counseling, help you get over McClane's hairy nuts.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
yeah, and Doc is very ill. Although, that might be a testament to Docs' skill. Even though he is terminally ill he is still a dead eye. There were times when he was struggling to stand from drunkness and illness but he was still a crack shot.
He wasn't at his best during the OK Corral though, I guess it was distance, but he was working the hell out of that hammer to kill the one guy.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Maybe you two should invest in counseling, help you get over McClane's hairy nuts.

We all live on McClane left testi.

We just call it "Earth".

Maybe you should have some therapy for help with your divergent reality problems. And for the repeated truama of having your arguments destroyed one by one over a long period time by so many people.
For bottom soreness of those, epic, epic proportions may take a while to recover from, according to Ned Beatty in Deliverance/Riggs.

Originally posted by Robtard
Consider the source, good sir.

Ahhhhhhhhhhh yes. Most consistant with form, Indeed..

Yeah, Doc was in pretty bad shape at the OK Corral.

But he was still a lead farmer.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah, Doc was in pretty bad shape at the OK Corral.

He was also in really bad shape when he took out Ringo with that super-fast shooting from the hip.

Considering they're both great shots, this showdown would come down to who can draw and shoot first, Doc does his killing from the hip, ergo. Wage takes one in the center of his forehead.

Robtard, out.

Originally posted by Robtard
He was also in really bad shape when he took out Ringo with that super-fast shooting from the hip.

Considering they're both great shots, this showdown would come down to who can draw and shoot first, Doc does his killing from the hip, ergo. Wage takes one in the center of his forehead.

Robtard, out. I meant he was hung over and shit, at least it appeared that way. He was just as sick in both scenes.

Hangovers never keep a true warrior from killing: It is McClane's way.

And it is Holliday's way too, evidently.

Too bad this isnt a McClane thread.

What do you care? Its didnt stop you dissing McClane in the Riggs/Deliverance thread, did it...?

I suppose McClane would beat Wade, Holliday and Ringo in a quick draw then?

I don't know. As a full fledged McClane nutter i'm not sure if McClane could take Wade. As long as McClane were kept to using a respective period gun.

McClane's hand would never reach his gun.

Ahhhhh but his opponent wont have seen Die Hard, so the old "pretend you're surrendering, whilst concealing the duct-taped gun" trick would most likely do. Leaving McClane being able to say "Yippeekiiyay Motherf***er" to Wade with that extra little bit of authenticity.

As for against Doc.. Well, lets just say that McClane'll be a better cure for that TB than whatever Doc has in mind.

On a side note, and I know I shouldn't say this, we see Riggs doing a quick draw and firing from the waist....................................

We see McClane shoot people from round corners without even being able to see round them.

And we saw he take out a power cable from 30 yards with an old snub pistol.

I was talking about a quick draw and firing from the waist, as gunfighters did back then.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I was talking about a quick draw and firing from the waist, as gunfighters did back then.

And Ringo did that lightning-fast as compared to Wade, so not sure why you were going on about with that 'handjob of God' business before.

Actually I was saying Riggs is a faster draw than McClane, thats all.

Dunno about that....

"Faster" would be a strong word.













































"More effeminately" maybe.

Faster

Girlier.

McClane is routinely shown being a quickdrawer.

Hey, if it gets the job done.


Speaking of girly, pretty girly to flee a h2h battle and come back with an SUV.

No. Driving up angrily in a car is a manly thing.
When McClane shows his road rage, bitches die.
End of.

And is in no way as limp wristed as limpwristedly pulling a chain for a shipping container to come in and kill the man who has just beaten you in H2H..

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Actually I was saying Riggs is a faster draw than McClane, thats all.

You also mentioned 'firing from the hip, as gunfigthers did back then', which nets you a profit of win, and Doc is clearly shown doing at Spiderman-like quickness, which is about two notches higher than Redi reflexes.

Slim "The Kid" Jim from Blazing Saddles'd whip both their asses.

Aye, as he's killed more people than Cecil B. DeMille.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Slim "The Kid" Jim from Blazing Saddles'd whip both their asses.

What about Ned Nederlander from 3 Amigos? He was pretty fast too.

He'd whip both Doc and Wade, but he'd most likely lose to Jim.

Originally posted by Robtard
You also mentioned 'firing from the hip, as gunfigthers did back then', which nets you a profit of win, and Doc is clearly shown doing at Spiderman-like quickness, which is about two notches higher than Redi reflexes. Redi?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Redi?

Meant Jedi.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Redi?

Yeah. Similar to the Jedi onscreen in the SW movies we are all familiar with..... but only with the powers you say they have.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yeah. Similar to the Jedi onscreen in the SW movies we are all familiar with..... but only with the powers you say they have. I see. Funny, I only state powers we SEE them using.

Dont be silly. You stated that that force speed could be employed at any time, despite is being employed ONCE.

And that standard Jedi speed just was so fast it just wasnt depicted that way on screen, among other things. Like simultaneous hold and sabre throw. etc

And that precog was the same as/as good as/as reliable as Spidey sense.
And wasnt it you who said that Palaptine slowed the crash rate of the half-a-ship with his force powers?


Now some of these you have sanely changed your postion on since, but you do have to admit that you were EUing the hell out of their capabilities.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Dont be silly. You stated that that force speed could be employed at any time, despite is being employed ONCE.

And that standard Jedi speed just was so fast it just wasnt depicted that way on screen, among other things. Like simultaneous hold and sabre throw. etc

And that precog was the same as/as good as/as reliable as Spidey sense.
And wasnt it you who said that Palaptine slowed the crash rate of the half-a-ship with his force powers?


Now some of these you have sanely changed your postion on since, but you do have to admit that you were EUing the hell out of their capabilities. EUing how? I was saying that we can see them using a simple force power, so it makes sense that they can use this power at will.

Its like Spidey stopping that train. He did it once, logically he can do it again. Its not like that was a once in a lifetime feat.

Yeah but where that analogy falls down is that Spidey SHOWED us feats of that ilk again, whereas the Jedi did the speed thing ONCE.

Showed it again? When?

A similar feat of strength and endurance would be enduring the pounding from Sandman that would have destroyed anything/one else.
Thats of a similar calibre, physical endurance wise..

Well yeah, but I am talking EXACTLY what he did.

Look. Its more in the neighborhood in the same feats dept, than the Jedi situation.

Evidence: The Jedi could have used their 'much fabled by RJ' Precog and speed to avoid blaster bolted deaths in the purge and at multiple other times, but couldnt..

And that darkside being used crap doesnt work as it was Clone troopers doing the shooting. Not Sidious.

Dude this has already been covered.......

It has. Yet still you say this:

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I see. Funny, I only state powers we SEE them using.

Hmmmmmmmmmm.