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Rachael when she held the Full Phoenix Powers in Excalibur.

Rune King Thor from the pages of Disassembled.


Because this is suppose to be the most powerful incarnation of both characters. All current feats are allowed within their respective showings.

Not sure if this is her at "full power" ... but then it is only "classic" Thor.

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Why is Kurt calling Thor the Juggernaut? :s

Originally posted by Enyalus
Why is Kurt calling Thor the Juggernaut? :s

They thought they were fighting the Juggernaut. The Wrecking Crew was also involved.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Not sure if this is her at "full power" ... but then it is only "classic" Thor.

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2761/psychicblock4es.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/psychicblock4es.jpg/1/w906.png No she was restricted at the time.

This is was a closer to full power.

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Originally posted by id369
No she was restricted at the time.

This is was a closer to full power.

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/2465/050p22ya5.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9704/050p23ww5.jpg
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http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6325/050p25rw7.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2493/050p26eh6.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2250/050p27tn6.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9195/050p28zo7.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/8331/050p29gp6.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5117/050p30ux5.jpg
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restricted how? that version thor ko'd was the same version that was resisting galactus and toyed with nova . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
restricted how? that version thor ko'd was the same version that was resisting galactus and toyed with nova . . . That's what I was thinking.

...If she wasn't restricted, then being KO'd by Thor has to be PIS, right?

Because her durability is off the charts?

Originally posted by Mekrob
Because her durability is off the charts?
Galactus was firing at her.

When she had her Phoenix field up.

Originally posted by Enyalus
...If she wasn't restricted, then being KO'd by Thor has to be PIS, right?

The guy has broken Celestials and chased off Galactus on occasion ... so no, not really PIS.

That being said, Rachael isn't likely to try the same tactic if she knows it's Thor- obviously she'd remember what happened last time.

meh. all thor really did imo was ko her with her own power. spiral did the same thing to her. is it pis if she's ko'd by her own powers?

Originally posted by leonidas
meh. all thor really did imo was ko her with her own power. spiral did the same thing to her. is it pis if she's ko'd by her own powers? Considering what Thor has done in the past it's not PIS.

But that part were Thor calls that blast "less than nothing" troubles me. Maybe implying that he could produce more fire power.

Originally posted by kgkg
But that part were Thor calls that blast "less than nothing" troubles me. Maybe implying that he could produce more fire power.
Well he could, lol. Aborption to Anti-Force or Godblast would both output more.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
That being said, Rachael isn't likely to try the same tactic if she knows it's Thor- obviously she'd remember what happened last time.

You mean she wouldn't use her powers?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Well he could, lol. Aborption to Anti-Force or Godblast would both output more. Possibly but using Full Phoenix Powers I would think one can muster more power than Godblast.

At least a blast more powerful than "less than nothing" lol

huh this is also a good speed feat for Thor

Originally posted by kgkg
Possibly but using Full Phoenix Powers I would think one can muster more power than Godblast.
Yeah. I'm not sure how much Rachel can wield the PF, but its been known to bust whole galaxies...

Originally posted by kgkg
At least a blast more powerful than "less than nothing" lol
I admit, that wording puzzled me, too. Especially when he states 'an Asgardian' - implying any Asgardian could do that?

Originally posted by kgkg
huh this is also a good speed feat for Thor
'Cause Thor's freakin' sweet.


...Prolly goin' with RKT for the win, though.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
You mean she wouldn't use her powers? Because that's all Phoenix can do?

I remember that comic where she fought Necrom. She never did demonstrate the level of expertise that Necrom showed with the Phoenix force. The extent of her power was simply a little below planetary level. Necrom did all the impressive feats there.

If that's the full extent of her power, then RKT stomps. Classic Thor has already shown equal or more than that level of power before. RKT is just overkill.

NVM.

Originally posted by leonidas
restricted how? that version thor ko'd was the same version that was resisting galactus and toyed with nova . . .

Yeah, and that version is still restricted. IRRC she progressively became better at using PF.

Originally posted by id369
Yeah, and that version is still restricted. IRRC she progressively became better at using PF.

that's different than what you implied. by restricted, i thought you meant her powers were limited in some way. as she went along she DID become more SKILLED. less skilled and restricted are 2 different things though. the version in that thor scan had some CRAZY feats though in the early excalibur series. that time-cross arc showed that she was pretty uber and even the beyonder was something along the lines of impressed by the scope of her power.

this version had some weird and inconsistent showings though. guess that's what happens when you put someone of that level in a team book. without SOME pis once in a while she wouldn't NEED anyone else on the team--she'd save the day every time.

Originally posted by leonidas
that's different than what you implied. by restricted, i thought you meant her powers were limited in some way. as she went along she DID become more SKILLED. less skilled and restricted are 2 different things though. the version in that thor scan had some CRAZY feats though in the early excalibur series. that time-cross arc showed that she was pretty uber and even the beyonder was something along the lines of impressed by the scope of her power.

this version had some weird and inconsistent showings though. guess that's what happens when you put someone of that level in a team book. without SOME pis once in a while she wouldn't NEED anyone else on the team--she'd save the day every time.

You mean like Thor and the Avengers?

Originally posted by Enyalus
...If she wasn't restricted, then being KO'd by Thor has to be PIS, right?

not really. one of Mjolnir's properties is energy absorption and magnification. Being hit by a blast 10x as strong as the one she just put out (and by surprise, I admit) would probably KO her.

as for whether or not thor could absorb energy output on rachael's level- Classic Thor absorbed the energy of a null bomb capable of taking out an entire galaxy and ignited a dead sun with it.

Pure energy users are at a disadvantage vs. Thor, imo

i still don't get what you mean by 'restricted use'. i'd love to see some proof that the version in that scan was 'restricted' in the amount of power she could access. somewhat less experienced? yes. fundamentally restricted? i'd like to know where taht idea comes from . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
i still don't get what you mean by 'restricted use'. i'd love to see some proof that the version in that scan was 'restricted' in the amount of power she could access. somewhat less experienced? yes. fundamentally restricted? i'd like to know where taht idea comes from . . .
Yes Rachael ATM has restricted use of the Phoenix Force. I need to back track specific issues, to quote the source.

ATM?

anyway, if you can show it, that'd be cool. i can't recall reading anywhere in that excalibur series that she was restricted in the manner you are suggesting. could have been revealed in an x-book that i don't know about though . . .