Subjekt-17 vs WWH

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xJLxKing
This is Subjekt - 17 at his best( where he look liked a samurai warrior).

Who wins?

Endless Mike
Probably Hulk

guy222
WWH

xJLxKing
Why? Isn't this guy like stronger then Superman. Superman even says he just might be stronger, and he is also telepathic.

Endless Mike
I don't know what makes him stronger, Superman beat him without too much trouble

xJLxKing
Originally posted by Endless Mike
I don't know what makes him stronger, Superman beat him without too much trouble He didn't use all his power. Superman also knows his secret

BruceSkywalker
any scans of this Subjekt-17?

xJLxKing
Yeah, here!

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6681/superman66714.th.jpg http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3154/superman66715.th.jpg http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9500/superman66717.th.jpg http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/1587/superman66719.th.jpg

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/8607/superman66720.th.jpg http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/8351/superman66721.th.jpg http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8497/superman66723.th.jpg

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Why? Isn't this guy like stronger then Superman. Superman even says he just might be stronger, and he is also telepathic. WW Hulk is also stronger than Superman imo.

xJLxKing
Originally posted by quanchi112
WW Hulk is also stronger than Superman imo.
NO! He will get stronger after getting angry but at his base, he is not.

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
NO! He will get stronger after getting angry but at his base, he is not. WW Hulk is the strongest he has ever been. At his base(WW Hulk mode) he is stronger imo.

cloud102
Yep.

Philosophía
Subjekt 17.

Mrblonde
WWH wins he's stronger he has a healing factor plus he is immune to telepathy

BruceSkywalker
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yeah, here!

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6681/superman66714.th.jpg http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3154/superman66715.th.jpg http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9500/superman66717.th.jpg http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/1587/superman66719.th.jpg

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/8607/superman66720.th.jpg http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/8351/superman66721.th.jpg http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8497/superman66723.th.jpg

good scans, but WWH wins, WWH is stronger, faster, plus his HF is off the charts

xJLxKing
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
good scans, but WWH wins, WWH is stronger, faster, plus his HF is off the charts
Stronger? Debate able! Faster? Maybe, but 17 was able to hide himself from human and other a like. He appeared to superman.

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Stronger? Debate able! Faster? Maybe, but 17 was able to hide himself from human and other a like. He appeared to superman. What has Subjeckt 17 done to prove he is stronger than WW Hulk?

xJLxKing
Originally posted by quanchi112
What has Subjeckt 17 done to prove he is stronger than WW Hulk?
I already answered this before/

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
I already answered this before/ So Superman's opinion is good enough to make someone stronger than WW Hulk? Are you serious?

xJLxKing
Originally posted by quanchi112
So Superman's opinion is good enough to make someone stronger than WW Hulk? Are you serious?
Well, Superman knows his own strengths, weaknesses, and limits. When he fought 17, he admitted that he might be stronger then Superman. 17 wasn't trying to kill Superman either. He could have mind rape him like their first encounter(where 17 was weaker, and more dumb)

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Well, Superman knows his own strengths, weaknesses, and limits. When he fought 17, he admitted that he might be stronger then Superman. 17 wasn't trying to kill Superman either. He could have mind rape him like their first encounter(where 17 was weaker, and more dumb) What does maybe being stronger than Superman have to do with the WW Hulk? It has to do with Superman not the Hulk. How can't you see that?

xJLxKing
Originally posted by quanchi112
What does maybe being stronger than Superman have to do with the WW Hulk? It has to do with Superman not the Hulk. How can't you see that?
Again, I addressed this before! In my opinion, Superman is stronger then WWH.

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Again, I addressed this before! In my opinion, Superman is stronger then WWH. Based on what? All you have proven is that this character might be stronger than Superman. Hulk is stronger than both.

xJLxKing
Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what? All you have proven is that this character might be stronger than Superman. Hulk is stronger than both.
You don't see the hypocrisy in your post?

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
You don't see the hypocrisy in your post? Hulk has feats and his powerset is strength. He is only limited by his anger. It's my opinion that feats and powersets matter based on what they actually do in the comics. You go based on character's statements and faulty abc logic.

xJLxKing
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk has feats and his powerset is strength. He is only limited by his anger. It's my opinion that feats and powersets matter based on what they actually do in the comics. You go based on character's statements and faulty abc logic. laughing out loud

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
laughing out loud Concession accepted.

xJLxKing
Originally posted by quanchi112
Concession accepted.
You do understand that all you post is pretty meaningless. I could do the same thing.

Superman is stronger then WWH because he has feats and statements which put him above anything else. In addition, Superman even said that 17 is probably stronger then him.

There you go I win!! See how stupid that is!

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
You do understand that all you post is pretty meaningless. I could do the same thing.

Superman is stronger then WWH because he has feats and statements which put him above anything else. In addition, Superman even said that 17 is probably stronger then him.

There you go I win!! See how stupid that is! Superman has feats to make it arguable. Subjekt 17 does not. If we go by statements WW is faster than Superman and MM is the powerful member of the jla which includes Superman. We don't treat statements such as these as facts. Superman didn't even say with a degree of certainty.


Subjekt 17 might be as strong as Superman according to Superman, but this has nothing to do with Hulk.

xJLxKing
Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman has feats to make it arguable. Subjekt 17 does not. If we go by statements WW is faster than Superman and MM is the powerful member of the jla which includes Superman. We don't treat statements such as these as facts. Superman didn't even say with a degree of certainty.


Subjekt 17 might be as strong as Superman according to Superman, but this has nothing to do with Hulk.
You don't understand!!

Superman is a measuring Stick! Okay!!

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
You don't understand!!

Superman is a measuring Stick! Okay!! Then WW is faster and MM is more powerful by this logic. Thor was also the greatest opponent Superman had faced up until 2003.

xJLxKing
Originally posted by quanchi112
Then WW is faster and MM is more powerful by this logic. Thor was also the greatest opponent Superman had faced up until 2003.
Except that was proven wrong by more feats, and statements! It was obviously over hyped!

Crossovers? very nice!!

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Except that was proven wrong by more feats, and statements! It was obviously over hyped!

Crossovers? very nice!! No, you just stated that statements are as good as gold. Supes also claimed MM was more powerful. That is a fact as well according to you and Thor is the greatest character he has ever faced up until 2003. That crossover is canon at dc. I bet you didn't know that.

xJLxKing
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you just stated that statements are as good as gold. Supes also claimed MM was more powerful. That is a fact as well according to you and Thor is the greatest character he has ever faced up until 2003. That crossover is canon at dc. I bet you didn't know that.
It was proven wrong!! My statement wasn't!! Duh!!

Crossovers are canon to both DC and Marvel but can't be used in KMC.

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
It was proven wrong!! My statement wasn't!! Duh!!

Crossovers are canon to both DC and Marvel but can't be used in KMC. How was your statement proven correct?



When was it proven that Superman isn't more powerful than MM?


Crossovers are only canon if they are mentioned in continuity. Dc mentioned it while marvel has been vague about the whole deal.

xJLxKing
Originally posted by quanchi112
How was your statement proven correct?



When was it proven that Superman isn't more powerful than MM?


Crossovers are only canon if they are mentioned in continuity. Dc mentioned it while marvel has been vague about the whole deal.
I never said my was correct. I said my wasn't proven wrong.

I proven yours wrong. It was stated that Superman is the strongest on the earth and Diana close to second. And Superman's feats also beat MM's.

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
I never said my was correct. I said my wasn't proven wrong.

I proven yours wrong. It was stated that Superman is the strongest on the earth and Diana close to second. And Superman's feats also beat MM's. So, you favor certain statements over others? Ah, I see you are biased. I guess feats and statements only matter when they are favoring the character you want to win. I mean the hilarious thing is he doesn't even state that he is stronger than Superman yet you think he is stronger than the Hulk based on that.

xJLxKing
Originally posted by quanchi112
So, you favor certain statements over others? Ah, I see you are biased. I guess feats and statements only matter when they are favoring the character you want to win. I mean the hilarious thing is he doesn't even state that he is stronger than Superman yet you think he is stronger than the Hulk based on that.
Listen!!

When you said WW is faster then Superman, I proved that statement wrong using feats, and other statements.

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Listen!!

When you said WW is faster then Superman, I proved that statement wrong using feats, and other statements. You are just favoring one statement over another. We know by using feats that Superman is stronger than Subjekt 17, but that only applies to your bias opinion.

xJLxKing
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are just favoring one statement over another. We know by using feats that Superman is stronger than Subjekt 17, but that only applies to your bias opinion.
Subject 17 has about 2 feats so yeah Superman>>Subject 17 although SUPERMAN said he was stronger then him. We can't prove it wrong? Can you?

We can prove Superman>>MM in terms of strength

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Subject 17 has about 2 feats so yeah Superman>>Subject 17 although SUPERMAN said he was stronger then him. We can't prove it wrong? Can you?

We can prove Superman>>MM in terms of strength Really? So we can't prove Subjekt17 isn't stronger than Superman, but we can prove he is stronger than MM? laughing out loud

xJLxKing
Originally posted by quanchi112
Really? So we can't prove Subjekt17 isn't stronger than Superman, but we can prove he is stronger than MM? laughing out loud

Superman>>MM because it was stated many times. That one that that was stated was proven wrong. It was over hype.

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Superman>>MM because it was stated many times. That one that that was stated was proven wrong. It was over hype. Show me one instance where it was stated.

kgkg
Originally posted by quanchi112
Show me one instance where it was stated. You don't believe it has been stated?

quanchi112
Originally posted by kgkg
You don't believe it has been stated? I believe that jlx cannot provide proof and that he uses double standards constatnly while he talks out his ass.

kgkg
Alan says Superman is the strongest on the Planet
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alanan8.jpg

Batman says Superman is the most powerful man on earth
http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batsupermanstrongest1bj1.jpg

WW pretty much saying Superman is the Strongest
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wwsupermanstrongestqt2.jpg

quanchi112
Originally posted by kgkg
Alan says Superman is the strongest on the Planet
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alanan8.jpg

Batman says Superman is the most powerful man on earth
http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batsupermanstrongest1bj1.jpg

WW pretty much saying Superman is the Strongest
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wwsupermanstrongestqt2.jpg Those are all their opinions while his rationale was based on Superman's opinion. Superman called MM the most powerful member so if we take his word on subjekt why not take his word on the MM. smile

xJLxKing
Originally posted by quanchi112
Those are all their opinions while his rationale was based on Superman's opinion. Superman called MM the most powerful member so if we take his word on subjekt why not take his word on the MM. smile
LOl so now you say opinion. I though you said they are facts??
You are right though, it one mans opinion that Superman is the strongest. However, when many people (who are all wise) share the same opinion, it should be taken as a fact.

Also, Superman said that 17 should be stronger while fighting so we should take it as a fact and not opinion. Why? Superman knows his strengths and weaknesses so he should know if someone is stronger.

Also, the that MM> JLA is Bull, and it's over hyped. You know it's not true!

Philosophía
I'd take Batman's opinion over Superman's, tbh. smile

psycho gundam
j'onn is the most powerful TECHNICALLY since he's somewhere below superman in almost every category, but all of his powers don't rely on an outside power source.

and then he has like ...4-5 more powers than superman, one of them being powerful telepathy, which not many dc characters have.

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
LOl so now you say opinion. I though you said they are facts??
You are right though, it one mans opinion that Superman is the strongest. However, when many people (who are all wise) share the same opinion, it should be taken as a fact.

Also, Superman said that 17 should be stronger while fighting so we should take it as a fact and not opinion. Why? Superman knows his strengths and weaknesses so he should know if someone is stronger.

Also, the that MM> JLA is Bull, and it's over hyped. You know it's not true! Superman disagrees. You yourself took Superman at his word so for this logic to work we can't disagree with all-knowing Superman which by the way has nothing to do with Hulk.

It doesn't matter what those other guys say it matters what Superman states when he is referencing himself. MM is more powerful according to your logic.

big grin

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