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I keep comming across this battle in other forums and i think its good fight. im not sure who would win but thats for you guys argue about.
i want to know what you guys have to say about this battle.btw its perfect cell.

Broly, no effort on his part either. Cell couldn't deal with SSJ2 Goku or Gohan, Broly whooped on basically everybody who came his way. And it took Goku drawing everyones power to stop him.

Broly goes LSS, pounds Cell worse than he did to Goku in movie 8 (when Broly made his debut), toss him into the sky, and then blow him up along with the rest of the planet.

Originally posted by KingD19
Cell couldn't deal with SSJ2 Goku or Gohan
Goku was never SSJ2 in his encounters with Cell , and Cell actually did even the odds for himself when he learned Instant Transmission and grew stronger because of the Saiyan cells within him (upon returning to earth after he self-destructed on King Kai's planet), thus becoming "Super Perfect Cell".

Super Perfect against Broly would be a more interesting fight even though Broly would likely win that too, but since it's just Perfect Cell according to the thread author, Broly wins even more easily.

Perfect Cell got owned by Gohan when he went SSJ2. Broly's LSSJ puts him at a level at least equal to that of an SSJ2 imo.

Perfect cell goes down even faster than he did against Gohan.

The only place he stands a chance are in games like DBZ Tenkaichi 3.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Broly's LSSJ puts him at a level at least equal to that of an SSJ2 imo.
If LSSJ Broly is only around being equal to that of a SSJ2 (that's a big if), then Super Perfect Cell would probably fight pretty evenly with him. I'm speaking of the Cell with the SSJ2-like aura that instantly killed Trunks and rendered one of Gohan's arms useless.

Broly ftw

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Broly ftw

I'm going to have to agree with BS. Broly is faster than the hyperbolically trained Z warriors WHILE being in a form that looks like ultimate supersaiyan form...but with more raw power and KI.


Hmm.



I would say that fully powered Broly could take out Cell on the grounds that he is the Ultimate form of a supersaiyan, while being faster than any of the Z warriors...and having much more Ki. That would put him on level or higher than Cell in speed, buch much stronger than cell.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
If LSSJ Broly is only around being equal to that of a SSJ2 (that's a big if), then Super Perfect Cell would probably fight pretty evenly with him. I'm speaking of the Cell with the SSJ2-like aura that instantly killed Trunks and rendered one of Gohan's arms useless.

It certainly puts him above any of the intermediate forms seen in the series (Unless you are implying that it might be higher than SSJ2, it is called Legendary and is hyped up a lot)

He'd fight evenly for a while, Broly in LSSJ gets more powerful (with no apparent limit) as the fight goes on, in other words, if they're equal, Broly has more endurance, and will eventually win.

Plus, it's Perfect, not Super Perfect that is in this fight .

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
It certainly puts him above any of the intermediate forms seen in the series (Unless you are implying that it might be higher than SSJ2, it is called Legendary and is hyped up a lot)
Yeah, that's what I was implying. I'm aware it's hyped up a lot, but meh. Can't really be helped. Don't like Broly much myself to be honest, not that it changes anything here.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Plus, it's Perfect, not Super Perfect that is in this fight .
True. Just sayin', Super Perfect would make things more fair in this case.

And is Cell allowed to spawn Cell Juniors to assist him in the fight? Thread author didn't specify on that.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

The only place he stands a chance are in games like DBZ Tenkaichi 3.

2nd Form Cell alone would destroy any version of Broly in that scenario.

Perfect Cell die..Super Perfect Cell can take Broly down i think..

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah, that's what I was implying. I'm aware it's hyped up a lot, but meh. Can't really be helped. Don't like Broly much myself to be honest, not that it changes anything here.


Ahh, okay then. His attitude and disposition suck and all, but he owned Goku & Co. more easily than any other villain imo.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
True. Just sayin', Super Perfect would make things more fair in this case.


And is Cell allowed to spawn Cell Juniors to assist him in the fight? Thread author didn't specify on that.

Perhaps a Super Perfect vs. LSSJ Broly thread should be made then. This one's almost spite, if not outright spite.

Dunno. He most likely would, to make Broly focus his attention on something else. Though in most cases, those guys will be stomped easily.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
2nd Form Cell alone would destroy any version of Broly in that scenario.

Meh, I was talking about Perfect Cell.

Sure, 2nd could destroy, he's one of the cheapest characters in the game. Though if Broly has a potara that gives him a brick effect (if he doesn't already have one against 2nd Cell), the match is pretty much Broly's.
2nd won't be able to land a throw properly, and Broly could just block the rush.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Ahh, okay then. His attitude and disposition suck and all, but he owned Goku & Co. more easily than any other villain imo.
That last part can be argued, but I see your point nonetheless.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Perhaps a Super Perfect vs. LSSJ Broly thread should be made then. This one's almost spite, if not outright spite.
Indeed.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Dunno. He most likely would, to make Broly focus his attention on something else.
1. Cell summons some Cell Juniors and/or uses Solar Flare on Broly to distract him for a bit.
2. Powers up to use some super finishing move, like the Spirit Bomb.
3. ????
4. Profit!

That's assuming it's Super Perfect (who can also use Instant Transmission for evasive maneuvers in addition, if need be), because if it were regular Perfect Cell, nothing he tries against Broly would make a difference really.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Though in most cases, those guys will be stomped easily.
Might be picking at straws here, but if it's Super Perfect that summons them, they would probably be stronger than the ones Gohan destroyed and would have SSJ2-like auras around them and stuff.

Either way, one of them Cell Juniors during the Cell Games did cancel out Vegeta's Final Flash with relative ease, so that has to count for something.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Sure, 2nd could destroy, he's one of the cheapest characters in the game. Though if Broly has a potara that gives him a brick effect (if he doesn't already have one against 2nd Cell), the match is pretty much Broly's.
2nd won't be able to land a throw properly, and Broly could just block the rush.
I never really use 2nd form Cell since I have the opportunity to transform again in most cases. How is he cheap exactly?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
That last part can be argued, but I see your point nonetheless.

True, but they were in the super forms. Except for Buu and maybe Cell, I don't think anyone else came close to owning them the way Broly did. Buu probably surpassed him, now that I look back.
Good enough.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
1. Cell summons some Cell Juniors and/or uses Solar Flare on Broly to distract him for a bit.
2. Powers up to use some super finishing move, like the Spirit Bomb.
3. ????
4. Profit!

That's assuming it's Super Perfect (who can also use Instant Transmission for evasive maneuvers in addition, if need be), because if it were regular Perfect Cell, nothing he tries against Broly would make a difference really.

We could all come up with tactics that each could use.
Also, Cell used Spirit Bomb? If so, I don't think it'll be as powerful as the ones Goku uses given that he needs energy from others. Also, doesn't having an impure heart or something to that extent stop you from using Spirit Bomb?

True about Perfect. He still has that desperation move though.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Might be picking at straws here, but if it's Super Perfect that summons them, they would probably be stronger than the ones Gohan destroyed and would have SSJ2-like auras around them and stuff.

Dude, stop bringing up Super Perfect Cell here . Until the thread creator changes the version, you are forbidden from bringing him up 313

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Either way, one of them Cell Juniors during the Cell Games did cancel out Vegeta's Final Flash with relative ease, so that has to count for something.

True, but seeing how easily Gohan took them out when pissed...

Broly is pretty much always pissed, especially if Goku is around.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
I never really use 2nd form Cell since I have the opportunity to transform again in most cases. How is he cheap exactly?

His throw -> Second normal Blast 2. Cheapest combo since it drains the opponent's health and gives him health. Combine that with a quick Ki Recharge potara and a Super Up potara, and you've got a huge advantage.
Only Syn Shenron's Blazing Storm (His normal Blast 2 where he shoots out this huge wave from his right hand, not Trap Shooter. Not sure about the name) is more cheaper if used correctly.

The only real reason you'd want to use Perfect over 2nd form is his multiple death beam and perhaps the health boost. Otherwise, you're better off with 2nd, or Super Perfect.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
True, but they were in the super forms. Except for Buu and maybe Cell, I don't think anyone else came close to owning them the way Broly did. Buu probably surpassed him, now that I look back.
Good enough.
I suppose I agree with that.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Also, Cell used Spirit Bomb?
Canonically, no, but it is one of his moves. He claimed to have known the move himself in the series, and has always been one of his special attacks in most of the video games.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
If so, I don't think it'll be as powerful as the ones Goku uses given that he needs energy from others.
Depends on where they're fighting then. I guess the only reason the Spirit Bomb on Namek didn't kill Frieza was because Frieza had already killed pretty much all of the planet's inhabitants, so there was hardly much of anything for Goku to gather energy from.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Also, doesn't having an impure heart or something to that extent stop you from using Spirit Bomb?
It only stops you from bouncing it back if it's about to come at you or somethin'. You can still start/produce a Spirit Bomb even if you're evil though, just you'll have to get out of the way if it's deflected back at you, which Cell can do easily enough given that he has Instant Transmission.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
True about Perfect. He still has that desperation move though.
The thing where he blows himself up? Broly would probably just use that shield/barrier that he used to defend himself from Frieza's Death Ball that destroy Planet Vegeta when he was an infant.
However, seeing as how Cell somehow gained more of Goku's cells after he self-destructed on King Kai's planet (thus allowing him to learn Instant Transmission), Cell could probably gain some of Broly's cells the same way. If so, that's bad news for the legendary super saiyan.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Dude, stop bringing up Super Perfect Cell here . Until the thread creator changes the version, you are forbidden from bringing him up 313
Fine.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
True, but seeing how easily Gohan took them out when pissed...

Broly is pretty much always pissed, especially if Goku is around.
Well, it wasn't specified by the author as to whether Goku would be around during this particular fight or not, so I'm just gonna gather that he's not. Otherwise, Broly would probably ignore Cell and only go after Goku... because he made him cry as a baby.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
His throw -> Second normal Blast 2. Cheapest combo since it drains the opponent's health and gives him health. Combine that with a quick Ki Recharge potara and a Super Up potara, and you've got a huge advantage.
Only Syn Shenron's Blazing Storm (His normal Blast 2 where he shoots out this huge wave from his right hand, not Trap Shooter. Not sure about the name) is more cheaper if used correctly.

The only real reason you'd want to use Perfect over 2nd form is his multiple death beam and perhaps the health boost. Otherwise, you're better off with 2nd, or Super Perfect.
Ah, I see. Wow. Damn..

Cell

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
I suppose I agree with that.

Suppose ?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Canonically, no, but it is one of his moves. He claimed to have known the move himself in the series, and has always been one of his special attacks in most of the video games.

Words and actions are two very different things (not going by video games since they aren't source material)...Still, he could have it, he learnt the Kamehameha iirc.


Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Depends on where they're fighting then. I guess the only reason the Spirit Bomb on Namek didn't kill Frieza was because Frieza had already killed pretty much all of the planet's inhabitants, so there was hardly much of anything for Goku to gather energy from.

I thought it was more of a receive factor, since Goku had to ask people to give him energy. I don't think people are going to give Cell energy, considering his personality.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
It only stops you from bouncing it back if it's about to come at you or somethin'. You can still start/produce a Spirit Bomb even if you're evil though, just you'll have to get out of the way if it's deflected back at you, which Cell can do easily enough given that he has Instant Transmission.

I see. Ahh well, my mistake, read about SSJ Goku not being able to use SB at one time since SSJ was malicious or something like that.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
The thing where he blows himself up? Broly would probably just use that shield/barrier that he used to defend himself from Frieza's Death Ball that destroy Planet Vegeta when he was an infant.
However, seeing as how Cell somehow gained more of Goku's cells after he self-destructed on King Kai's planet (thus allowing him to learn Instant Transmission), Cell could probably gain some of Broly's cells the same way. If so, that's bad news for the legendary super saiyan.

True, but Goku couldn't shield himself, unlike Broly who could, he wouldn't lose any cells with that kind of a shield.
Though, have to agree, if he gained Broly's Cells, he'd most likely reach a completely new level, perhaps one that could challenge Vegito.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Fine.

Didn't want to be too harsh on you so...here's 5$, buy whatever you want 313

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Well, it wasn't specified by the author as to whether Goku would be around during this particular fight or not, so I'm just gonna gather that he's not. Otherwise, Broly would probably ignore Cell and only go after Goku... because he made him cry as a baby.

Even then, Broly's pretty much pissed off anyways , Goku being around just takes it to a new level. Can't blame him for hating Goku though, a baby crying non-stop like he did, enough to drive anyone crazy.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Ah, I see. Wow. Damn..

Indeed. Anyone you are playing against will most likely just forfeit anyway, unless they are good enough to counter, which is the only way to consistently stop that tactic.

Though it's great against the CPU .

I always rated Brolly Power between SSJ2 and SSj3. Because the way he beat on Gohan in the second apperance made no type of sense. Even if Gohan gotten weaker he should have been able to do more. Even then it took Goku Gohan Trunks and Goten to to push brolly back. Im sorry but Broly is way stronger than a mere SSJ2.

Originally posted by Csdabest
I always rated Brolly Power between SSJ2 and SSj3. Because the way he beat on Gohan in the second apperance made no type of sense. Even if Gohan gotten weaker he should have been able to do more. Even then it took Goku Gohan Trunks and Goten to to push brolly back. Im sorry but Broly is way stronger than a mere SSJ2.

gohan wasnt ssj2 in the movie

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Words and actions are two very different things (not going by video games since they aren't source material)...Still, he could have it, he learnt the Kamehameha iirc.
Well duh. The Kamehameha was practically Cell's most used technique. Ironically though, he only used Vegeta's Gallic Gun once.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I thought it was more of a receive factor, since Goku had to ask people to give him energy.
And there wasn't anyone on Namek to give Goku energy, besides Bulma, Krillen, kid Gohan, and Piccolo. Thus, fail strategy.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I don't think people are going to give Cell energy, considering his personality.
IIRC, Cell can always just use the voice/personality of someone he's absorbed, like how he used Android 17's voice in an attempt to trick 18.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I see. Ahh well, my mistake, read about SSJ Goku not being able to use SB at one time since SSJ was malicious or something like that.
Yeah. I used to think that too until the Kid Buu saga.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
True, but Goku couldn't shield himself, unlike Broly who could, he wouldn't lose any cells with that kind of a shield.
Well, there's also the possibility that Broly will attack Cell as he grows large in preparation for his desperation move, not knowing that he'll blow up on him upon contact, and so Broly won't have enough time to think to use his shield 131, just as how Goku didn't have enough time to escape Cell's explosion after he transported him to King Kai's planet.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Though, have to agree, if he gained Broly's Cells, he'd most likely reach a completely new level, perhaps one that could challenge Vegito.
Perhaps. He could definitely beat any form of Buu though, methinks.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Even then, Broly's pretty much pissed off anyways , Goku being around just takes it to a new level. Can't blame him for hating Goku though, a baby crying non-stop like he did, enough to drive anyone crazy.
Heh. True..

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Indeed. Anyone you are playing against will most likely just forfeit anyway, unless they are good enough to counter, which is the only way to consistently stop that tactic.
You mean the online? I was under the impression that it was just full of kids who think they can beat you were their SSJ4 Gogeta , but yeah. I doubt most of 'em can even counter well enough to cancel out that 2nd form Cell combo you mentioned.

And yeah, of course it's good against AI opponents.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Well duh. The Kamehameha was practically Cell's most used technique. Ironically though, he only used Vegeta's Gallic Gun once.

Seeing villains use Kamehameha never took well with me >__>. It's like seeing Goku breath fire like Hirudegarn.

Gallic Gun? Ahh, good times.

It, imo, seemed way cooler than the Final Flash when it first appeared.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
And there wasn't anyone on Namek to give Goku energy, besides Bulma, Krillen, kid Gohan, and Piccolo. Thus, fail strategy.

True. Wonder why Frieza couldn't deflect it though.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
IIRC, Cell can always just use the voice/personality of someone he's absorbed, like how he used Android 17's voice in an attempt to trick 18.

I see. The thing is, it takes a lot of time. Something I'm not sure is on his side wrt SB if he's up against Broly.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah. I used to think that too until the Kid Buu saga.

What happened that made you change your mind? (I forgot the specifics, it's been a long time, so yeah)

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Well, there's also the possibility that Broly will attack Cell as he grows large in preparation for his desperation move, not knowing that he'll blow up on him upon contact, and so Broly won't have enough time to think to use his shield 131, just as how Goku didn't have enough time to escape Cell's explosion after he transported him to King Kai's planet.

Who knows, Broly may just be that insane/dumb.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Perhaps. He could definitely beat any form of Buu though, methinks.

He'd beat Super Buu (w/Gohan as his source of power) many times over. iirc, he was more powerful than the Kid Buu version. Not too sure on that though. Kid Buu was psychopathic though. More so than Super.


Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
You mean the online? I was under the impression that it was just full of kids who think they can beat you were their SSJ4 Gogeta , but yeah. I doubt most of 'em can even counter well enough to cancel out that 2nd form Cell combo you mentioned.

And yeah, of course it's good against AI opponents.

I can't play online (I have the PS2 version)...I have quite a few friends who are around equal to the CPU at lv5 (Training settings) in terms of countering and such. I'm about as good, or slightly better, than them in that respect, but I can chain & use moves much better, so yeah.

Though they still can counter throws and Blast 2's with quite a great deal of consistency, so for the most part, that combo is rendered obsolete. Though when I pull off the whole combo, I gain around 4000-6000 HP, and they lose over 10000 HP (1 full bar) if I include physical attacks before the throw.

Course, I could have it done to me as well, so I either stay away from 2nd cell and opt for a long range battle, or choose a character with a brick effect (such as a Giant-type, or the Potara) so that they can't stun me long enough to pull off the throw.

Against the AI, it's pure WIN.
Though another factor to take into consideration is if your opponent is an android (The health gain is almost insignificant) or a giant (throws & Rush Blast 2's don't work on them)

The gap between each character is considerably lessened. Wish those idiots would realize it.
I'm able to beat a modded Gogeta SSJ4 (CPU Very Strong, or one of my friends who loves spamming Blast 2's) with normal Hercule . Course, the password character version of Gogeta is another story wrt Normal Hercule.

Originally posted by yungz22
gohan wasnt ssj2 in the movie

There was already a video on youtube showing he had the whole lightning effect showing he was SSJ2. There is nothing disproving he wasnt SS2. And there wouldnt be a reason for him not to be. That and the hair was highly similar. When Gohan fought debura he didnt have lightning but he was a SSJ2. Thing is he got weaker cuz he wasnt trainning

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Seeing villains use Kamehameha never took well with me >__>. It's like seeing Goku breath fire like Hirudegarn.
I agree when it comes to Buu using the Kamehameha, which he has on occasion, but with Cell, it seemed rather natural to me for some reason.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Gallic Gun? Ahh, good times.

It, imo, seemed way cooler than the Final Flash when it first appeared.
Eh, not sure I agree with that. Vegeta's Final Flash against Perfect Cell was pretty freakin' epic, especially with the music given to it. That made it a lot more awesome than most of the other times he used it, even though it took him a lot longer to power up to use it the first time around.
The Gallic Gun was pretty cool as well though, but probably would've appealed more to me if it hadn't gotten cancelled out by Goku's Kaio-ken X4 + Kamehameha (or was it X3? I forget). Vegeta's first fight with Goku was the only time I remember him using it, along with Cell using it once in his semi-perfect form.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
True. Wonder why Frieza couldn't deflect it though.
Because he's evil/his heart's impure. I thought you knew.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I see. The thing is, it takes a lot of time. Something I'm not sure is on his side wrt SB if he's up against Broly.
Well, like I said, Cell can either use Solar Flare to blind Broly for a bit, or spawn some Cell Juniors to distract the legendary super saiyan long enough for him to do what he needs to do.

On Namek, Krillen, kid Gohan, and Piccolo were able to distract Frieza long enough for Goku to prepare the Spirit Bomb, and on Supreme Kai's world, Vegeta, the fat Buu, and Hercule were able to distract Kid Buu long enough for Goku to do the same, so yeah.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
What happened that made you change your mind? (I forgot the specifics, it's been a long time, so yeah)
I tried to think, but seems I've forgotten myself as well. It's all just a blur now.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Who knows, Broly may just be that insane/dumb.
I think he is to be honest. If he were as smart as most of the Z-fighters (and not as pissed off all the time), he probably would've broken free from Paragus's mind control device a long time ago. He also must've been pretty dumb for Videl, Trunks (from the present), and Goten to have lasted against him as long as they did in Broly: The Second Coming. I'm sure some Cell Juniors (or maybe even just one) could last against him even longer.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He'd beat Super Buu (w/Gohan as his source of power) many times over. iirc, he was more powerful than the Kid Buu version. Not too sure on that though. Kid Buu was psychopathic though. More so than Super.
Yeah. Super Buu with Gohan absorbed was the mightiest Majin so to speak, but Kid Buu was easily the most insane/destructive because of not having any 'goodness' from those he absorbed before. By feats, Kid Buu actually beats Buuhan, but we all know DBZ characters (except non-canon ones like Broly) are determined by power scaling, not feats. Otherwise, we'd be saying Frieza is stronger than Cell because he's killed more people/destroyed planets.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I can't play online (I have the PS2 version)...I have quite a few friends who are around equal to the CPU at lv5 (Training settings) in terms of countering and such. I'm about as good, or slightly better, than them in that respect, but I can chain & use moves much better, so yeah.

Though they still can counter throws and Blast 2's with quite a great deal of consistency, so for the most part, that combo is rendered obsolete. Though when I pull off the whole combo, I gain around 4000-6000 HP, and they lose over 10000 HP (1 full bar) if I include physical attacks before the throw.

Course, I could have it done to me as well, so I either stay away from 2nd cell and opt for a long range battle, or choose a character with a brick effect (such as a Giant-type, or the Potara) so that they can't stun me long enough to pull off the throw.

Against the AI, it's pure WIN.
Though another factor to take into consideration is if your opponent is an android (The health gain is almost insignificant) or a giant (throws & Rush Blast 2's don't work on them)

The gap between each character is considerably lessened. Wish those idiots would realize it.
Ah, okay. I have the PS2 version as well, not the Wii. People stopped playing DBZ games with me by the time the first Budokai Tenkaichi was out, so meh. Budokai 3 was the last one I got to thoroughly enjoy with others.

Probably would've known about all that stuff you mentioned if I had the drive to keep playing Budokai Tenkaichi 3 as much as I did most of the others, but the introduction of King Cold as a fighter still kinda made it worthwhile for me.

As for that last part, me too. Am glad they did that with the characters though.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I'm able to beat a modded Gogeta SSJ4 (CPU Very Strong, or one of my friends who loves spamming Blast 2's) with normal Hercule . Course, the password character version of Gogeta is another story wrt Normal Hercule.
Heh. Hercule ironically, is one of my most used characters in every game he's in, especially the very first Budokai where he was kind of overpowered, but then he slowly became weaker and weaker with each following game, though he's still good nonetheless if you know how to use him right. I love what they did with that joke character for the most part.

Originally posted by Csdabest
There was already a video on youtube showing he had the whole lightning effect showing he was SSJ2. There is nothing disproving he wasnt SS2. And there wouldnt be a reason for him not to be. That and the hair was highly similar. When Gohan fought debura he didnt have lightning but he was a SSJ2. Thing is he got weaker cuz he wasnt trainning
Not true, about the last part. Gohan had lightening around him like any SSJ2 when he powered up after Kibito asked him to show him his true power, right before he had his energy drained by Yamu and Spopovich with that device used to get Buu out of that ball that kept him sealed for so long.

Gohan apparently never went SSJ2 when he fought Dabura for some unexplained reason, though he still would've been outclassed by the Demon King either way because of his lack of training, methinks.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
I agree when it comes to Buu using the Kamehameha, which he has on occasion, but with Cell, it seemed rather natural to me for some reason.

Supposedly because he was the most humanoid of the villains in his perfect/super perfect form ?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Eh, not sure I agree with that. Vegeta's Final Flash against Perfect Cell was pretty freakin' epic, especially with the music given to it. That made it a lot more awesome than most of the other times he used it, even though it took him a lot longer to power up to use it the first time around.
The Gallic Gun was pretty cool as well though, but probably would've appealed more to me if it hadn't gotten cancelled out by Goku's Kaio-ken X4 + Kamehameha (or was it X3? I forget). Vegeta's first fight with Goku was the only time I remember him using it, along with Cell using it once in his semi-perfect form.

Well, it was Vegeta's first powerful attack that could stand up to the Kamehameha so . That's why I thought it was cooler.
Though the power he put into his first final flash even made Cell scared. So no wonder it took that long.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Because he's evil/his heart's impure. I thought you knew.

Apparently, not

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Well, like I said, Cell can either use Solar Flare to blind Broly for a bit, or spawn some Cell Juniors to distract the legendary super saiyan long enough for him to do what he needs to do.

True enough. But he'd have to be in his super perfect form in order to dish out real damage against Broly.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
On Namek, Krillen, kid Gohan, and Piccolo were able to distract Frieza long enough for Goku to prepare the Spirit Bomb, and on Supreme Kai's world, Vegeta, the fat Buu, and Hercule were able to distract Kid Buu long enough for Goku to do the same, so yeah.

PIS ?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
I tried to think, but seems I've forgotten myself as well. It's all just a blur now.

No matter, that show is ooold anyway. There's that new/remastered show out though. Dragon Ball Kai I believe.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
I think he is to be honest. If he were as smart as most of the Z-fighters (and not as pissed off all the time), he probably would've broken free from Paragus's mind control device a long time ago. He also must've been pretty dumb for Videl, Trunks (from the present), and Goten to have lasted against him as long as they did in Broly: The Second Coming. I'm sure some Cell Juniors (or maybe even just one) could last against him even longer.

Perhaps it's his insanity that stops him from being rational like the others. As well as PIS that keeps the Z-Fighters alive .
Though honestly, the cell juniors (if spawned by Perfect) would be nothing but insects to him.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah. Super Buu with Gohan absorbed was the mightiest Majin so to speak, but Kid Buu was easily the most insane/destructive because of not having any 'goodness' from those he absorbed before. By feats, Kid Buu actually beats Buuhan, but we all know DBZ characters (except non-canon ones like Broly) are determined by power scaling, not feats. Otherwise, we'd be saying Frieza is stronger than Cell because he's killed more people/destroyed planets.

In a manner of speaking, he is ...well, no, never mind, by ABC logic, Trunks owned Frieza (even though he was in mech form), and couldn't own Cell's first form as easily even after so much training.

Was gonna say that Frieza > Cell's 1st form >.<

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Ah, okay. I have the PS2 version as well, not the Wii. People stopped playing DBZ games with me by the time the first Budokai Tenkaichi was out, so meh. Budokai 3 was the last one I got to thoroughly enjoy with others.
Probably would've known about all that stuff you mentioned if I had the drive to keep playing Budokai Tenkaichi 3 as much as I did most of the others, but the introduction of King Cold as a fighter still kinda made it worthwhile for me.

As for that last part, me too. Am glad they did that with the characters though.

Ahh damn, and I thought there was another person who could discuss it with me

Never was really a fan of the Budokai games, because of their game structure being similar to most fighting games. imo, Tenkaichi's is better, since it's a 3D environment.

Heh. Hercule ironically, is one of my most used characters in every game he's in, especially the very first Budokai where he was kind of overpowered, but then he slowly became weaker and weaker with each following game, though he's still good nonetheless if you know how to use him right. I love what they did with that joke character for the most part.

True. He's pretty good if you can use him right. Though he's worthless against Giant characters in 3.
He's like Dan, fun to use, but weaker when compared to others, overall.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Supposedly because he was the most humanoid of the villains in his perfect/super perfect form ?
I guess.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Well, it was Vegeta's first powerful attack that could stand up to the Kamehameha so . That's why I thought it was cooler.
Though the power he put into his first final flash even made Cell scared. So no wonder it took that long.
Indeed.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
True enough. But he'd have to be in his super perfect form in order to dish out real damage against Broly.
Yeah. He also has the Solar Kamehameha in his Super Perfect form, but again, this is spite since it's only Broly against regular Perfect.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
PIS ?
Either way, I don't see why it wouldn't work for Cell if he plays his cards right.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
No matter, that show is ooold anyway. There's that new/remastered show out though. Dragon Ball Kai I believe.
Yeah. Not sure I'm even gonna watch that to be honest. At first I thought it was gonna be an actual sequel to DBZ that would redeem GT, but when it became clear that it was just a remake of DBZ, watching it no longer became a top priority of mine.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Though honestly, the cell juniors (if spawned by Perfect) would be nothing but insects to him.
And Videl, Trunks, and Goten wouldn't be? A Cell Junior is stronger than any of those three, and I don't think Trunks and Goten even knew the fusion technique at that time, so yeah.

Of course Cell Juniors if spawned by regular Perfect would be nothing but insects to Broly, but if they manage to act as a diversion long enough for the real Cell to perform some super attack like the Spirit Bomb, then they still serve their purpose.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Ahh damn, and I thought there was another person who could discuss it with me

Never was really a fan of the Budokai games, because of their game structure being similar to most fighting games. imo, Tenkaichi's is better, since it's a 3D environment.
Yep, sorry to disappoint. I pretty much agree with that last part though.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
True. He's pretty good if you can use him right. Though he's worthless against Giant characters in 3.
He's like Dan, fun to use, but weaker when compared to others, overall.
Yeah. =( Aside from him and Cell, I also use Piccolo, Android 18, and Bardock, out of pure favoritism I guess, not because of how good/cheap they are as fighters. >.> They're pretty badass, especially the latter of the three.

Goku used the Spirit Bomb in SSJ form against Kid Buu. THAT'S what the due meant earlier by "I used to think that too."

Ah yes. That's what it was! Thanks for refreshing my memory.

The Legendary Super SaiyaJin stomps.

Based on feats, Brolly ruins. If were gonna get extra deep then we have to ask 1 question. Is the gang Brolly beat up stronger than SS2 Gohan?

no

Broly

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http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll345/bravourways/Broly_ssj3__cell_shading_by_alessan.jpg

Did you draw that, six6six?

lol I was about to say... Broly's hair isn't that long. I do kinda recall seeing something like this in Mugen though.

2nd form Cell can easily be countered by and Android. I personally prefer 13. He was beastly in BT2. The S.S. Deadly Bomber was pretty broken. He had some pretty nice moves for his B2's. Chuck a Deadly Bomber at them while they are from a far and they pretty much have to block it. you can't teleport dodge it. If they get up close then just Super Explosive Wave their ass. 13's SEW was pretty cheap because unlike everyone else he didn't have to jump back and initiate it.

The cheapest tactic in all of the BT's has to be Ultimate Gohan from BT2 when packed right. Max his attack, UB and B2, Max Power Plus and a Halo for good measure. Go Max Power mode, Rolling Hammer and then just Violent Rush them. If they don't have an explosive wave then they're ****ed. You can just eat their back up until your max gauge runs down and either throw them or knock them back and do his Burst Rush. That is easily over 100k damage.

Dunno bout BT2, but in 3, it's 2nd Cell's abilities that one of the cheapest (lack of performance against androids & giants hoses it)

Androids could counter, but they still lose some health from his Blast 2. There's still his ability to spam BBC and his physical attacks. Giants stop his Blast 2 & Throw dead in their tracks.

Cheapest in 3 has to be spamming Syn Shenron's more powerful Blast 2.

S.S. Deadly Bomber is almost broken in 3, tis a good thing Super 13 can't charge ki. DB is very hard to avoid, it's so huge >.<. Even out-running it is hard. His Ultimate Blast sucks though, you've to be right up close with them, though it's powerful, not to mention bada**.

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That pic, is it of a non-canon SSJ3 Broly (no eye-brows, long hair)?
Pretty good nonetheless.

Originally posted by I am who I am
Based on feats, Brolly ruins. If were gonna get extra deep then we have to ask 1 question. Is the gang Brolly beat up stronger than SS2 Gohan? Broly beat up SSJ2 Gohan.

A weaker one who had not trained in seven years.

But I digress.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
That pic, is it of a non-canon SSJ3 Broly (no eye-brows, long hair)?
Pretty good nonetheless.
Broly himself is a non-canon movie character anyway. SSJ3 Broly is just something fan-made.

True that. I got my terms mixed-up.

Still, great drawing. Though I prefer how he looks in his LSSJ form to this one, or any other form for that matter.

I only liked his regular SSJ form with the blueish hair.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Dunno bout BT2, but in 3, it's 2nd Cell's abilities that one of the cheapest (lack of performance against androids & giants hoses it)

Androids could counter, but they still lose some health from his Blast 2. There's still his ability to spam BBC and his physical attacks. Giants stop his Blast 2 & Throw dead in their tracks.

Cheapest in 3 has to be spamming Syn Shenron's more powerful Blast 2.

S.S. Deadly Bomber is almost broken in 3, tis a good thing Super 13 can't charge ki. DB is very hard to avoid, it's so huge >.<. Even out-running it is hard. His Ultimate Blast sucks though, you've to be right up close with them, though it's powerful, not to mention bada**.

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That pic, is it of a non-canon SSJ3 Broly (no eye-brows, long hair)?
Pretty good nonetheless.

You haven't played 2? 2nd form Cell was even cheaper. IF you maxed his B2 stats out then he would take 2 and a half gauges of life.

True he does damage to androids but it is minimal damage at best. The only damage he does is the actual physical damage of grabbing you, stabbing you and then slapping you to the ground. He can't life drain them and regain health.

The Deadly Hammer is good imo, the animation rocks and I love his attitude. He's more balanced in 3 but he was one of my top players in 2 next to Ultimate Gohan who was a physical beast, and Perfect Form Cell.

cell dominates, there are many reasons why he would win,
1. cell was strong enough that it took another form for them to beet him wich is stronger than just normal ssj with more power in a single punch
2. cell has cell jr. to anoy him
3. even if brolly was stronger than cell, cell is definatly faster (remember what happend when trunks when ultrasayan?)
4. cell has atributes from sayans so when he gets injured and heals he gets stronger
5. cell has atributes from nameks so when he gets injured he heals almost instantly

Originally posted by niduin
cell dominates, there are many reasons why he would win,
1. cell was strong enough that it took another form for them to beet him wich is stronger than just normal ssj with more power in a single punch
2. cell has cell jr. to anoy him
3. even if brolly was stronger than cell, cell is definatly faster (remember what happend when trunks when ultrasayan?)
4. cell has atributes from sayans so when he gets injured and heals he gets stronger
5. cell has atributes from nameks so when he gets injured he heals almost instantly

You have some flawed points that I'd like to point out.

2. Cell Jr. is no threat or annoyance to Broly. They get one shotted.

3. Broly isn't slow, Trunks was.

4. That has to be a near death experience, not just an injury.

1cell jr would be an anoyance, because they are pretty powerful just weak defence
2yes he is, in the second movie when he is fighting goten and trunks they say that he is strong but he is slow
3true i was generalizing tho, and also he can survive from a single cell, so even if brolly was fast then when he pummels cell for a while and he thinks he is dead he would just come back stronger

Originally posted by niduin
cell dominates, there are many reasons why he would win,
1. cell was strong enough that it took another form for them to beet him wich is stronger than just normal ssj with more power in a single punch
2. cell has cell jr. to anoy him
3. even if brolly was stronger than cell, cell is definatly faster (remember what happend when trunks when ultrasayan?)
4. cell has atributes from sayans so when he gets injured and heals he gets stronger
5. cell has atributes from nameks so when he gets injured he heals almost instantly 1. K. Broly was dominating SSJ2 Gohan, who was holding his own against Dabura, who is around Super Perfect Cell's level, and SSJ2 Gohan(who was a little rusty due to lack of training when he fought Broly I admit) completely destroyed Perfect Cell.

2. Broly could one-shot a hundred Cell Jrs. at one time.

3. Based on...What? And you are incorrect. Trunks remarked that SSJ Broly was slow, in LSSJ form, he is not.

4. Alot more than injured, near death. And Broly has alot more power-output than SSJ2 teen Gohan.

5. True enough.

Originally posted by niduin
1cell jr would be an anoyance, because they are pretty powerful just weak defence
2yes he is, in the second movie when he is fighting goten and trunks they say that he is strong but he is slow
3true i was generalizing tho, and also he can survive from a single cell, so even if brolly was fast then when he pummels cell for a while and he thinks he is dead he would just come back stronger

No annoyance. They get in Broly's face and Broly slaps it out of his face and kills him. End of story. Also Broly wouldn't have a problem with producing the power to destroy Cell. He's destroyed a galaxy.

Videl managed to annoy Broly and lived.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
No annoyance. They get in Broly's face and Broly slaps it out of his face and kills him. End of story. Also Broly wouldn't have a problem with producing the power to destroy Cell. He's destroyed a galaxy. i have no doubt that brolly could produce the energy needed to destroy him, but in every fight he doesnt, he simply beets them to dead.

and gohan was more than a little rusty he was really weak, and dabura was not that strong goku was saying the whole time that gohan should be able to beet him easily but he couldnt because he sux at that point.

so if brolly could hit cell, cell would simply regenerate, and a hit from brolly would be a critical hit, so every time he gets hit by brolly he gets a little stronger until he wins

Originally posted by niduin
i have no doubt that brolly could produce the energy needed to destroy him, but in every fight he doesnt, he simply beets them to dead.

and gohan was more than a little rusty he was really weak, and dabura was not that strong goku was saying the whole time that gohan should be able to beet him easily but he couldnt because he sux at that point.

so if brolly could hit cell, cell would simply regenerate, and a hit from brolly would be a critical hit, so every time he gets hit by brolly he gets a little stronger until he wins

So Broly puts all of his power into every punch now?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
No annoyance. They get in Broly's face and Broly slaps it out of his face and kills him. End of story. Also Broly wouldn't have a problem with producing the power to destroy Cell. He's destroyed a galaxy.

ahh..the Galaxy destroying shit again..he didn't oneshotted a galaxy..if he oneshotted a galaxy that he was in..he'll be dead..he can't even survive a kamehameha through the sun

a blast that can destroy galaxy >>>> kamehameha through the sun..so oneshoting the galaxy is BS..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
ahh..the Galaxy destroying shit again..he didn't oneshotted a galaxy..if he oneshotted a galaxy that he was in..he'll be dead..he can't even survive a kamehameha through the sun

a blast that can destroy galaxy >>>> kamehameha through the sun..so oneshoting the galaxy is BS..

Did I say he one shotted it? I said he destroyed a galaxy. No one can in DBZ can survive the sun. THe Kamehameha didn't kill him, the sun did.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
I only liked his regular SSJ form with the blueish hair.

Fiend!

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You haven't played 2? 2nd form Cell was even cheaper. IF you maxed his B2 stats out then he would take 2 and a half gauges of life.

True he does damage to androids but it is minimal damage at best. The only damage he does is the actual physical damage of grabbing you, stabbing you and then slapping you to the ground. He can't life drain them and regain health.

The Deadly Hammer is good imo, the animation rocks and I love his attitude. He's more balanced in 3 but he was one of my top players in 2 next to Ultimate Gohan who was a physical beast, and Perfect Form Cell.

Haven't. The system seems a lot different from two, so I'll have trouble adjusting properly.

Still, it is some damage, not to mention that it sets him up for a charge to BBC if fast enough. Some damage > No damage at all as is the case with Giant-types.

I already noted that it was bada**. Throwing the opponent and knocking their lights out + that kicka** blast at the end = bada**.

One concern of mine when playing with him (and relief when playing against) is that he cannot absorb ki let alone charge. Hoses him quite a bit, though that's easily circumvented with hit & run and chicken tactics.

Broly isnt slow at all. Based on the forms (Ascended Vegeta and Trunks as well as SS Gohan) used in the first Broly movie. It can be assumed (assumed only since it isnt canon) that the movie takes place very close to the cell games.

Goku held his own against Perfect Cell for quite a while. But even when Goku AND the rest of the Z fighters tried to team up on Broly. He wtfpwned them with ease. Z warriors are depicted trying to ESCAPE Broly (Gohan and Vegeta) many times in the first movie. And Broly catches up with them and slams them all with great ease. Broly is also seen easily dodging the combined attacks of SS Goku and Piccolo. And I mean EASILY.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Fiend!



Haven't. The system seems a lot different from two, so I'll have trouble adjusting properly.

Still, it is some damage, not to mention that it sets him up for a charge to BBC if fast enough. Some damage > No damage at all as is the case with Giant-types.

I already noted that it was bada**. Throwing the opponent and knocking their lights out + that kicka** blast at the end = bada**.

One concern of mine when playing with him (and relief when playing against) is that he cannot absorb ki let alone charge. Hoses him quite a bit, though that's easily circumvented with hit & run and chicken tactics.

I wouldn't say a lot. Its very minimal of difference. The only thing I can think of T3 has over 2 is the blast combos and the Z Rush where you can fly behind them. Everything else is the same, and you'll have little trouble adjusting.

Like I said BT2 was cheap just because of Ultimate Gohan and 2nd Form Cell. Rolling Hammer was the GOD ATTACK especially especially if they didn't have and Explosive wave. Here are two reasons why Gohan was Broken in that game.

In this one I used to do the same thing except that I just went Max power and Violent Rushed their back and knocked them back and Burst Rushed them.

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This one is when Rolling Hammer was godly. You can continue this attack as long as you want. I usually don't end it with a Kamehameha. I found U.Gohan's B2's useless. I was pure physical with him.

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Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Did I say he one shotted it? I said he destroyed a galaxy. No one can in DBZ can survive the sun. THe Kamehameha didn't kill him, the sun did.

ohh..i thought u mean he onshotted it..cuz that's what Broly fanboy usually says..

then why did u bring that up??goku in cell saga can destroy galaxy if u give him time..he still can't beat Cell..

Cell wouldn't last a second with "Mystic Gohan" and yet, wasn't Gohan a bit older when he fought Broly the 2nd time around? If so, Broly stomps this mo fo. When they showed Cell again teaming up with Frieza in GT, Goku toyed with them, but then again, GT sucked BIG wet donkey balls and is non-canon antway.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Did you draw that, six6six?

Nah. Just a cool pic that I found.

Here's a few more cool pix of Broly...
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e78/power5050/Broly.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f302/PR1M3R/SS3_Broly_by_Saiyakupo.png

Ridiculous pix of Broly...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/killjoy10000/liveactionbroly-1.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u273/bluelegato/broly.png

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s270/Starscream17/Colossus_Broly_by_TetraGyom.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/Ronin_Fox/supanova/2008/brolly.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa78/pmander/broly/broly-1.jpg

Originally posted by Slaanesh
ohh..i thought u mean he onshotted it..cuz that's what Broly fanboy usually says..

then why did u bring that up??goku in cell saga can destroy galaxy if u give him time..he still can't beat Cell..

Brought it up because he has the power to do so. As of now I believe that he did it just incredibly fast.

Originally posted by six6six
Cell wouldn't last a second with "Mystic Gohan" and yet, wasn't Gohan a bit older when he fought Broly the 2nd time around? If so, Broly stomps this mo fo. When they showed Cell again teaming up with Frieza in GT, Goku toyed with them, but then again, GT sucked BIG wet donkey balls and is non-canon antway.

The Gohan that fought Broly was not Mystic Gohan. Ultimate Gohan would've crushed Broly.

Originally posted by Micheal_Myers
Goku held his own against Perfect Cell for quite a while.
To be fair though, Cell was holding back. He didn't use his complete full power until he realized he had to against Gohan.

Originally posted by six6six
GT sucked BIG wet donkey balls and is non-canon antway.
That's why it's foolish to use it as a source for anything, unless the versus thread involves GT characters (like SSJ4 Goku or Omega Shenron), but this one doesn't.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Brought it up because he has the power to do so. As of now I believe that he did it just incredibly fast.



The Gohan that fought Broly was not Mystic Gohan. Ultimate Gohan would've crushed Broly.

The Gohan that fought Broly was older then Mystic Gohan, so wouldn't he be stronger?

Originally posted by six6six
The Gohan that fought Broly was older then Mystic Gohan, so wouldn't he be stronger?

I retract my previous statement. I dug a little deeper. Apparently, The Gohan that fought Broly the 2nd time around was right around episodes 200 or so. That was right around the world tournament saga. So yes, Mystic Gohan would've put a beat down on Broly, however, on THIS thread, Cell's gonna be the one receiving the beat down.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Broly beat up SSJ2 Gohan. Really? What makes you think that?

Originally posted by I am who I am
Really? What makes you think that? Because he went SSJ2 in movie 2.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Because he went SSJ2 in movie 2.


PIS and he was also weaker than his 12 year old form. Much weaker.

well they people we made broly's second coming say gohan was SSJ2 though he didn't look or fight like it, though it is true he was weaker

but if that is true than broly does worse than ahnilihate cell but, Broly's power constantly grows and it was felt across the universe, it will take more than just one person to take him out.

also, when all the dead people keep coming back, why doesn't broly ever appear?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
To be fair though, Cell was holding back. He didn't use his complete full power until he realized he had to against Gohan.


Fair enough.

Originally posted by dadudemon
PIS and he was also weaker than his 12 year old form. Much weaker. What was PIS?

And not true. He held his own against Dabura, who was as strong or stronger than SPC.

Originally posted by dadudemon
PIS and he was also weaker than his 12 year old form. Much weaker.

I don't quite understand how he could be weaker. Saiyans only grow stronger.

Originally posted by six6six
I don't quite understand how he could be weaker. Saiyans only grow stronger.

By not training and keeping your body in its physical prime.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
By not training and keeping your body in its physical prime.

But the time frame of this Gohan was right around the World Tournament Saga. Not too far before he trained to become Mystic Gohan. I'd say Gohan was still very strong.

Even Goku and Vegeta said he is weaker and lack of training in volume 38 manga.

I think people tend to exagerate how much weaker Gohan had gotten. Vegeta mentions it, but nobody ever really goes into detail with it. I doubt he's gotten THAT much weaker. He could still hold his own against some of the stronger characters.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
What was PIS?

That Broly even stood a chance against Gohan.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
And not true. He held his own against Dabura, who was as strong or stronger than SPC.

Who is SPC?

Originally posted by six6six
I don't quite understand how he could be weaker. Saiyans only grow stronger.

He only got weaker from not training.

Originally posted by six6six
But the time frame of this Gohan was right around the World Tournament Saga. Not too far before he trained to become Mystic Gohan. I'd say Gohan was still very strong.

He didn't really train to become Mystic. He died and the Kai guy released all of his potential. This was well after the WT. IF Gohan was Mystic in that movie then he wouldn't need to go SSJ or SSJ2. Mystic Gohan would've drilled Broly.

Originally posted by six6six
I'd say Gohan was still very strong.
No, he really wasn't. He even forgot how to put up a decent fight, as shown in his battle with Dabura. Him not getting turned to stone by Dabura's spit was just dumb luck, if nothing else.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Who is SPC?
I'm pretty sure he means Super Perfect Cell. I kinda disagree though about Dabura being as strong as or stronger than him. He's definitely around Perfect Cell level, but not Super Perfect.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That Broly even stood a chance against Gohan.



Who is SPC? 1. And why is that PIS?

2. Super Perfect Cell.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. And why is that PIS?

Because I said so.


And also because LSSJ is USSJ power, but with awesome speed that Goku and Perfect Cell used.

Gohan in SSJ2 form, even weak, should still be much much stronger and faster than Broly.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
2. Super Perfect Cell.
yeah, someone up a bit said so.

And then there is the part where Broli kept rising in power which USSJ doesn't give while LSSJ does. The only similiarity is the strength enhancement.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
He didn't really train to become Mystic. He died and the Kai guy released all of his potential. This was well after the WT. IF Gohan was Mystic in that movie then he wouldn't need to go SSJ or SSJ2. Mystic Gohan would've drilled Broly.

he didn't die, the Kai's transported him to their world to keep him alive

ok guys ive heard many requests to make a new thread for broly vs super perfect cell so if someone can plz close this thread and if every one here can plz participate in the new one. thank you

Originally posted by dadudemon
Because I said so.


And also because LSSJ is USSJ power, but with awesome speed that Goku and Perfect Cell used.

Gohan in SSJ2 form, even weak, should still be much much stronger and faster than Broly.



yeah, someone up a bit said so. 1. No, it LOOKS like USSJ(bigger actually), it is much more powerful. And at least as fast as Goku and Perfect Cell. LSSJ also does not tire, his power only INCREASES as he is in that form, and you forget, Broly is a Saiyan, and suffered a near-death experience.

2. It was probably me.

GUYS PLZ GO TO THE NEW THREAD!!!!

Originally posted by strifex6
GUYS PLZ GO TO THE NEW THREAD!!!!

You don't have to yell.

Originally posted by dadudemon
PIS and he was also weaker than his 12 year old form. Much weaker. That's very true.

Originally posted by I am who I am
That's very true.

Vegeta said so, himself. He made fun of Gohan about it, too.

Constantly.

guys can you plz go to the new thread with super perfect cell vs broly?

I think I stated it ages ago, but I always considered LSS state to be a very high end SS2 or an inbitween state of SS2 and SS3... at least in terms of overall power. I doubt Broly could compete with a SS3 or better, those levels where intended for much later/higher up villains, but he could very easily break Cell, in any state... Majin Buu would have a tough time beating Broly, but he can do it well enough.

i wonder if broly can take buu