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1. Kratos (Start of GoW1, no magic) vs Raziel (End of Legacy of Kain, Soul Reaver but no Fire Reaver, no glyphs, minimal TK)

2. Kratos (As above but with magic) vs Raziel (End of Defiance, with all Reavers except Purified Reaver, max TK level)

3. Kratos (End of GoW2, with Blade of Olympus) vs Raziel (End of Defiance, with all Reavers and Purified Reaver.

1. Raziel is more agile and can kill kratos just as easily as most versions.


2+3 = Raziel invisibility+Soul reaver slice=Kratos dead, 3 he could also just torment him by taking his items or tossing hm around with TK.

He probably could rip him in half.

Maybe in the GOW 1 version but Kraotos seems much stronger than Raziel in the others, although I cant think of many durability feats atm for Kratos so for all his strength, he is prob easy to harm.

Time powers won't help here(I think).

Kratos' strength fluctuates a hell of a lot though, he pushed back Atlas' fingers.

But he had some difficulty in out muscling the sacrifice guy at Lahkesis and Icarus, also there is a large amount of pushing and straining when he's finishing off creatures that certainly aren't Class 100 (Like those minotaur things) and he struggled that large bit of temple he dropped on Zeus. I guess pushing Atlas' fingers was a Plot Device.

Time powers would be fine but Raziel has none from my memory.

Atlas was not trying to squash him, he was threatening him.

He was trying to crush him.

he was trying to crush him

All I know is that Featless Kratos loses the first battle horribly.

How is he featless?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
All I know is that Featless Kratos loses the first battle horribly. Care to explain that ignorant statement?

1. Kratos.

2. (Probably) Raziel

3. Raziel

Originally posted by Gumachi
He was trying to crush him.


Nonsense, why would he start a conversation with someone he expects to be a smear between his fingers? he was not even straining so obvioulsy he was barely trying anything.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Nonsense, why would he start a conversation with someone he expects to be a smear between his fingers? he was not even straining so obvioulsy he was barely trying anything. he wanted to remind him of his actions

Originally posted by Burning thought
Nonsense, why would he start a conversation with someone he expects to be a smear between his fingers? he was not even straining so obvioulsy he was barely trying anything.

"I will make you suffer" That (in a way) proves he was trying to crush him.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Care to explain that ignorant statement?

Kratos at the start of GOW 1 had no feats unless he means at specific part. What I mean by as Start of GOW1 Kratos is the ship board.

^Yes. Start of when he's on the ship. The only feat he has is with the Hydra's(from what I remember). And it's bascially a sword fight(no powers or anything).

Originally posted by Gumachi
"I will make you suffer" That (in a way) proves he was trying to crush him.

No, if he was going to crush him he wouldnt have been making him suffer, that actually proves me correct because obviously being crushed to dust is not suffering, the fact he was making conversation alone and was not making any noises of exaustion or even effort shows he was not putting hardly any effort at all into it. Which makes it a pretty unknown feat.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Kratos at the start of GOW 1 had no feats unless he means at specific part. What I mean by as Start of GOW1 Kratos is the ship board. Oh.

Well yeah.

He wanted to make him suffer, from what he had done to him (chained him up).


If he wasn't trying to crush Kratos, he wouldn't have said he would make him suffer.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No, if he was going to crush him he wouldnt have been making him suffer, that actually proves me correct because obviously being crushed to dust is not suffering, the fact he was making conversation alone and was not making any noises of exaustion or even effort shows he was not putting hardly any effort at all into it. Which makes it a pretty unknown feat.

More than likely true that he didn't put all of his power into crushing Kratos, but repelling even a fraction of his strength is amazing.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
More than likely true that he didn't put all of his power into crushing Kratos, but repelling even a fraction of his strength is amazing.

Depends tbh, I can put pressure on an ant between my fingers without crushing it, you cannot really measure how strong Kratos is by that feat, because we dont know how much pressure Atlas actually put on.

Originally posted by Gumachi
He wanted to make him suffer, from what he had done to him (chained him up).


If he wasn't trying to crush Kratos, he wouldn't have said he would make him suffer.


Ive answered this, you just repeated what you said before.

BT will say anything to make someone weaker

r6A1KFnqvgI he only had time to grab him by his two fingers

BT, you mean to tell me, what Kratos put Atlas thru, he did all of that, just to threaten him? Why would he do ALL of that, notice who he is, and threaten him? You mean to tell me, if someone chained you up to the world, you would just threaten them? You wouldn't kill them?

Originally posted by Gumachi
BT, you mean to tell me, what Kratos put Atlas thru, he did all of that, just to threaten him? Why would he do ALL of that, notice who he is, and threaten him? You mean to tell me, if someone chained you up to the world, you would just threaten them? You wouldn't kill them?


I dont know why he didnt kill Kratos, perhaps he has a cooler mind than a human and wanted to make Kratos "suffer" not kill him instantly between his fingers.

Probably a plot device then.

Could Raziel take Kratos' abilities after killing him?

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