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Sasuke wants to use a sword, he has to fight the most badass swrodsman ever.

Who wins?

I say Kenpachi wins.

Technically. chidori gatana should rip kenpachi sword in half seeing as their swords are not really especially durabile.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Technically. chidori gatana should rip kenpachi sword in half seeing as their swords are not really especially durabile.

I wouldn't say that, not even close. Ichigo hit Kenpachi with an absurdly powerful strike that was enough to knock all of the buildings down around them. Have we seen anything like that?

The closest we've come to a strike like that is...nowhere.

Now, there are energy blasts like that. On a much bigger scale, to boot. Sasuke doesn't display any of those.




Strength - Kenpachi.




Sword fighting ability...

Kenpachi has been training his swordsmanship for hundreds of years. Swordsmanship goes to Kenpachi.

Durability - Kenpachi, by far. I highly doubt Sasuke could even scratch Kenpachi. Sure, he probably has more chakra than average, but nothing spectacular like Naruto or Jiraiya. If we are to assume that it takes Chakra focus on the blade, just like in bleach, except it's called Spiritual energy, then, no, Sasuke can't sharpen his sword enough to cut Kenpachi simply because he doesn't have enough chakra. I could be mistaken as his lightening technique sharpens his blade quite a bit.

Speed. This one is tough. I will have to go with Kenpachi only because he can keep up with the #5 Espada and we see Kenpachi fight rather fast. However, I wouldn't be opposed to Sasuke being said to be faster. They don't have flash step in Naruto. Still, he did quickly jump down in almost an instant..that was flash steppy. Hmm, this one is tough.

Cunning - Well, this goes to Sasuke. He is probably smarter than Kenpachi is almost every way.




As far as techniques go, Sasuke would whoop some major ass in that area.


If Sasuke, even anticipating with the Sharingan, can keep up with Kenpachi, then Sasuke will win if his sword can cut Kenpachi. If we give speed to Kenpachi. Ah, what the hell. Sasuke wins this with Genjutsu.

Kenpachi would destroy most of Konoha by himself.

the difference between Bleach and Naruto in power is gigantic.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I wouldn't say that, not even close. Ichigo hit Kenpachi with an absurdly powerful strike that was enough to knock all of the buildings down around them. Have we seen anything like that?

The closest we've come to a strike like that is...nowhere.

Now, there are energy blasts like that. On a much bigger scale, to boot. Sasuke doesn't display any of those.




Strength - Kenpachi.




Sword fighting ability...

Kenpachi has been training his swordsmanship for hundreds of years. Swordsmanship goes to Kenpachi.

Durability - Kenpachi, by far. I highly doubt Sasuke could even scratch Kenpachi. Sure, he probably has more chakra than average, but nothing spectacular like Naruto or Jiraiya. If we are to assume that it takes Chakra focus on the blade, just like in bleach, except it's called Spiritual energy, then, no, Sasuke can't sharpen his sword enough to cut Kenpachi simply because he doesn't have enough chakra. I could be mistaken as his lightening technique sharpens his blade quite a bit.

Speed. This one is tough. I will have to go with Kenpachi only because he can keep up with the #5 Espada and we see Kenpachi fight rather fast. However, I wouldn't be opposed to Sasuke being said to be faster. They don't have flash step in Naruto. Still, he did quickly jump down in almost an instant..that was flash steppy. Hmm, this one is tough.

Cunning - Well, this goes to Sasuke. He is probably smarter than Kenpachi is almost every way.




As far as techniques go, Sasuke would whoop some major ass in that area.


If Sasuke, even anticipating with the Sharingan, can keep up with Kenpachi, then Sasuke will win if his sword can cut Kenpachi. If we give speed to Kenpachi. Ah, what the hell. Sasuke wins this with Genjutsu.

Bleach characters arent really that much fast. They abuse flash step. Naruto characters would appear that fast if they abused shunshin.. Pretimeskip already broke past supersonic speeds with his and is known to be leagues faster in Part 2.

Difference between those blast and sasuke chidori Gatana. Those blast are not ment to really cut through anything as more than blasting.Chidori gatan is specifically ment to slice through objects. Chidori Eisou managed to cut through a bijuu like butter thats supposed to be chakra of the strongest level.

Now is this an all out fight. Or simply a sword fight with no powers behind them.

Im not going to deny that the attacks in Bleach are devestating. Just a majority of naruto attacks seem to be more impact base rather than aoe.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Bleach characters arent really that much fast. They abuse flash step. Naruto characters would appear that fast if they abused shunshin.. Pretimeskip already broke past supersonic speeds with his and is known to be leagues faster in Part 2.

Difference between those blast and sasuke chidori Gatana. Those blast are not ment to really cut through anything as more than blasting.Chidori gatan is specifically ment to slice through objects. Chidori Eisou managed to cut through a bijuu like butter thats supposed to be chakra of the strongest level.

Now is this an all out fight. Or simply a sword fight with no powers behind them.

Im not going to deny that the attacks in Bleach are devestating. Just a majority of naruto attacks seem to be more impact base rather than aoe. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

1. Sasuke was never faster than sound in Part I. Zaku fired air pressure. That was how he attacked his opponents. And Kenpachi has shown in his fight with Nnoitra to be faster in movement than Sasuke by miles, and in terms of reflex, Kenny was the one dodging Tousen's blows as they made contact with his clothes.

2. Um, what? The entire point of the Zanpakuto is cutting power, Kenny's Zanpakuto has quite possibly the best cutting power of anyone in Soul Society we have seen, he casually sliced a building in half, and when clashing with Ichigo the shockwave sliced much more in half. Got a feat from Sasuke to compare? I doubt it.

3. If it is the latter, Kenpachi does not need his sword. Sasuke cannot cut him, especially using only his sword.

4. No, all of Kenny's attacks are impact based, he has no AOE ones.

Sasuke can Tsukiyomi for the win. I hate using that argument in this kind of thread but it applies quite well in this situation.

I vote Kenpachi closes his eyes and he defeats his opponent blind.

It worked before.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
I vote Kenpachi closes his eyes and he defeats his opponent blind.

It worked before.
Would he know to do that though?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Sasuke can Tsukiyomi for the win. I hate using that argument in this kind of thread but it applies quite well in this situation.


I disagree. Tsukiyomi would be tossed aside by Kenpachi. It is called the ultimate defense, but, it should be relative. Sure, compared to the Narutoverse, it is ultimate. Just like Leo made the argument, it can't be infinitely strong as that would be illogical.

From what we have to go by, I would put it out of reach for all Nartuo characters.

Kenpachi is definitely stronger than Sajin. Sajin tossed an Arrancar (Poww) that I would put on level with Tsukiyomi.


However, since this is Kishimoto's universe, Tsukiyomi could be infinitely powerful. However, that seems very stupid.

Are you thinking of Susanoo? Tsukiyomi is the illusion. It's not an ultimate defense and you can't toss it aside.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Are you thinking of Susanoo? Tsukiyomi is the illusion. It's not an ultimate defense and you can't toss it aside.

Oops. My bad. That's what I was thinking.



And, yes, Genjutsu makes it lights out.

Kenpachi wins this. Sasuke may be strong but not that strong.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oops. My bad. That's what I was thinking.



And, yes, Genjutsu makes it lights out. Out of curiosity...Why?

I mean sure, Kenpachi will not be immune to Genjutsu, but Genjutsu cannot actually kill who it hits.

Even after he weakens him briefly with Tsukiyomi(which is in itself arguable, no one in Naruto I can think of has damage soak like Kenny, 72 hours of torture isn't much) how will he actually kill Kenny?

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Out of curiosity...Why?

I don't want to come off as rude, but aren't you totally forgetting about the absurd illusion hack that one of the character's has? Yamamoto was the only person who didn't seem surprised at Aizen revealing his illusion technique, but Yamamoto's "immunity" may have only been intelligent deducation only and he may have still been completely under the illusion.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
I mean sure, Kenpachi will not be immune to Genjutsu, but Genjutsu cannot actually kill who it hits.

Even after he weakens him briefly with Tsukiyomi(which is in itself arguable, no one in Naruto I can think of has damage soak like Kenny, 72 hours of torture isn't much) how will he actually kill Kenny?

In fairness, the 72 hours of "torture" wouldn't be torture at all to Kenpachi. He laughed his ass off when Ichigo was slicing his skin all over. 72 hours would probably invigorate him and make him hungry and probably make him really really want to fight at that point.



But, yes, Genjutsu with Sasuke's most uber lightening charge to his "special" chakra resonating sword would probably be enough to cut Kenpachi.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't want to come off as rude, but aren't you totally forgetting about the absurd illusion hack that one of the character's has? Yamamoto was the only person who didn't seem surprised at Aizen revealing his illusion technique, but Yamamoto's "immunity" may have only been intelligent deducation only and he may have still been completely under the illusion.



In fairness, the 72 hours of "torture" wouldn't be torture at all to Kenpachi. He laughed his ass off when Ichigo was slicing his skin all over. 72 hours would probably invigorate him and make him hungry and probably make him really really want to fight at that point.



But, yes, Genjutsu with Sasuke's most uber lightening charge to his "special" chakra resonating sword would probably be enough to cut Kenpachi. 1. Aizen's illusions are perfect distractions for a character who can actually KILL Kenpachi in one attack. That is the different.

2. Exactly.

3. Why? Considering its feats are not equal to characters like Ichigo, whose cuts did not kill him, and when they clashed sliced several buildings in half.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Aizen's illusions are perfect distractions for a character who can actually KILL Kenpachi in one attack. That is the different.

2. Exactly.

3. Why? Considering its feats are not equal to characters like Ichigo, whose cuts did not kill him, and when they clashed sliced several buildings in half.

Ichigo certainly didn't slice through many buildings like that BEFORE he was able to start cutting Kenpachi. He just "focused" his reiryoku to sharpen his sword, remarkably similar to using Chakra to "sharpen" Chakra sensative weapons.


Chidori and seems to be able to go through anything, at this point. And it looks like Sasuke has improved lightening techniques beyond Chidori. They only exception would be rasengan. It didn't cut through rasengan.....

Originally posted by dadudemon
Ichigo certainly didn't slice through many buildings like that BEFORE he was able to start cutting Kenpachi. He just "focused" his reiryoku to sharpen his sword, remarkably similar to using Chakra to "sharpen" Chakra sensative weapons.


Chidori and seems to be able to go through anything, at this point. And it looks like Sasuke has improved lightening techniques beyond Chidori. They only exception would be rasengan. It didn't cut through rasengan..... You wanna know what else Chidori did not cut through?

Kirabi.

Who though durable, is less-so than Kenny IMO.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
You wanna know what else Chidori did not cut through?

Kirabi.

Who though durable, is less-so than Kenny IMO.

I don't remember that.

Pics, or didn't happen. (because I don't feel like gooing through the entire fight, which has several story cutaways)

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/014/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/015/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/016/

Took some damage, not cut.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/014/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/015/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/016/

Took some damage, not cut.

Chidori has multiple levels. He has it from stun to stab to blow. He hit himself with a chidori and it didnt tear a whole through himself.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/014/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/015/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/016/

Took some damage, not cut.

lulz


He didn't even get hurt. I don't see any damage. Just a "guh" and he used that as a chance to use instant transmission (lol) to escape.

So he's stronger than metal, huh? So a kunai would just bounce right off of him. LOL! He's uber durable.

Lulz

I would even say that a special chakra sensitive weapon would bounce right off of him as I fully believe that chidori is = or > chakra enriched blades.

Oh, and you're right. It's no secret that I'm a big Kenpachi fanboy. I just want to make sure I am thinking clearly by playing devil's advocate and let someone like you destroy anything the Sasuke fanboys could throw out there.

While I do thinkKenpachi wins..Sasuke wasn't trying to kill Killer Bee with that attack. They were just trying to get him back alive. So of course Sasuke wasn't going to stab through him like he did against Naruto.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Chidori has multiple levels. He has it from stun to stab to blow. He hit himself with a chidori and it didnt tear a whole through himself. There are Chidori variations. That was a normal, tearing Chidori. So no.

Originally posted by Kento
While I do thinkKenpachi wins..Sasuke wasn't trying to kill Killer Bee with that attack. They were just trying to get him back alive. So of course Sasuke wasn't going to stab through him like he did against Naruto. Funny, because Suigetsu remarked that they would have to try to kill him in order to even bring him back alive.

They were attacking to kill.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Funny, because Suigetsu remarked that they would have to try to kill him in order to even bring him back alive.

They were attacking to kill. Suigetsu saying something means Sasuke is doing it? When Sasuke really had no interest before in killing anybody except Itachi and Oro since his appearance in Part 2, and has went out of his way not to kill?

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Funny, because Suigetsu remarked that they would have to try to kill him in order to even bring him back alive.

They were attacking to kill.

Simply fighting your hardest. They ultimately had to fight their hardest but couldnt kill him. A low level chidori would have done the trick in said scenario. Sasuke has used one before. That and Suigetsu water drenched him making the chidori spread even stronger. He could have used Amaterasu instead of a MS genjutsu if he was really trying to kill him.

Chidori Eisou managed to cut through a bijuu. Which is stated to be a little weaker than Chidori sacraficing power for range.

Kenpachi takes this, by 5280 feet. Kenapchi could arguably beat anyone in Naruto.

Originally posted by Kento
Suigetsu saying something means Sasuke is doing it? When Sasuke really had no interest before in killing anybody except Itachi and Oro since his appearance in Part 2, and has went out of his way not to kill? Considering all the lethal moves Sasuke actually applied into the fight afterwords, yes, he was fighting lethally.

Originally posted by Csdabest
That and Suigetsu water drenched him making the chidori spread even stronger. He could have used Amaterasu instead of a MS genjutsu if he was really trying to kill him.
That was the first time he'd unlocked the Amaterasu technique.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Simply fighting your hardest. They ultimately had to fight their hardest but couldnt kill him. A low level chidori would have done the trick in said scenario. Sasuke has used one before. That and Suigetsu water drenched him making the chidori spread even stronger. He could have used Amaterasu instead of a MS genjutsu if he was really trying to kill him.

Chidori Eisou managed to cut through a bijuu. Which is stated to be a little weaker than Chidori sacraficing power for range. Fighting your hardest is fighting to kill. A low level Chidori would have done the trick? You high? Kirabi TOOK a Chidori and was barely harmed. If Kirabi would be so easy to defeat, he would not have been so incredibly difficult to subdue. And dude, he used Amaterasu.

Kay. That means absolutely nothing to me considering by feats Kenpachi>Biju in durability.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Fighting your hardest is fighting to kill. A low level Chidori would have done the trick? You high? Kirabi TOOK a Chidori and was barely harmed. If Kirabi would be so easy to defeat, he would not have been so incredibly difficult to subdue. And dude, he used Amaterasu.

Kay. That means absolutely nothing to me considering by feats Kenpachi>Biju in durability.

So your saying. Kirabi is mroe durable than the bijuu. Then I guess Sasuke can tank chidoris as well.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/361/14/

Sasuke gave statements in part 1 that he has different power level of chidori. And given Sasuke had no time to charge. Had to indeed keep him alive. And past evidence of Sasuke using chidori to electrify the body. Shows that Kirabi tanked a low level one not ment to peirce. You obviously not understanding what happened in that chapter. Low level chidori + water was ment to intensify the electrifying of Kirabi. It wasnt ment to peirce. Cuz it would have killed him.

Originally posted by King Kandy
That was the first time he'd unlocked the Amaterasu technique.

That was never stated or implied. He used it unwillingly against Madara. Told his teamates everything about it. And used it willingly

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Considering all the lethal moves Sasuke actually applied into the fight afterwords, yes, he was fighting lethally. He used a genjutsu to paralyze him..and then after that he used Amaterasu unwillingly and then stopped it so it wouldn't kill him. Sasuke may have been fighting his best but he wasn't trying to Killer Bee.

Not that it really matters as Sasuke stands less of a chance against Kenpachi as he did against Itachi or Killer Bee if they hadn't of been taking it easy.

sasuke. easily.

Fail.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
sasuke. easily.

Explain.

Genjutsu, I'm guessing.