WWIII Black Adam vs. Superman

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KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm sure it's been done but I haven't seen this matchup in a long time.

1. fight in a indestructable area
2. On an desolate planet with no life forms to worry about.

cloud102
BA before WW3 responded to Superman as a joke. Adam wins.

Enyalus
WWIII BA in both.

Raoul
Superman.

Philosophía
Originally posted by Raoul
Superman.

cloud102
Adam vs Pre-Crisis Superman

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Thanks to Thorion for the scans.

tkitna
Originally posted by Raoul
Superman.

Harbinger
BA in the first, Clark in the second.

guy222
supes

jrodslam
Adam.

TricksterPriest
Superman. He was very lucky Superman was not around during WW3. Because he would have ended this shit alot earlier. Even the writers refused to have Supes job. Hell, everyone was jobbing to BA. They could have taken him down had they been going all out.

With full capacity, Adam will do well. But he's not going to win. And if Supes was bloodlusted, he would murder Teth.

Charmander
Adam destroys the area and Superman.

tkitna
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Superman. He was very lucky Superman was not around during WW3. Because he would have ended this shit alot earlier. Even the writers refused to have Supes job. Hell, everyone was jobbing to BA. They could have taken him down had they been going all out.

With full capacity, Adam will do well. But he's not going to win. And if Supes was bloodlusted, he would murder Teth.

I agree with every word of this.

Enyalus
That's ridiculous. Supes and CM have beaten each other. BA and CM have beaten each other. BA and Supes' scraps have always been inconclusive post Crisis, and in BA's favor pre-Crisis (even with assistance from CM).

Yet an amped BA is going to easily lose to Supes? Get real, people.

Warlord
Adam

Raoul
Originally posted by Enyalus
That's ridiculous. Supes and CM have beaten each other. BA and CM have beaten each other. BA and Supes' scraps have always been inconclusive post Crisis, and in BA's favor pre-Crisis (even with assistance from CM).

Yet an amped BA is going to easily lose to Supes? Get real, people.

YOU'RE ridiculous. uhuh

Mindset
Originally posted by Charmander
Adam destroys the area and Superman.

Enyalus
Originally posted by Raoul
YOU'RE ridiculous. uhuh
But in an awesome kind of way, right?

Raoul
Originally posted by Enyalus
But in an awesome kind of way, right?

mmm

OneDumbG0
Black Adam 7/10 in both scenarios.

cloud102
Magic ftw.

zeel
BA wins, even regular un amped BA stalemates supes all the time. WWIII is over kill. Superman will have to be a rageing lunatic and be willing to kill BA to win this fight. OR a sundipp would help. Superman has enough problems with a unamped BA as is. BA is captian marvel on steriods.

xJLxKing
Superman wink

D-Block
BA

Avlon
Superman wins.

UniOmni
Teth.

quanchi112
BA wins every time.

james2099
BA in a curb stomp every single time.

Slaanesh
BA 10/10

james2099
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__p6Clhn9WDI/RvMtJ-REgzI/AAAAAAAABrU/5ccpj4Aka5I/s400/09-20-2007+07%3B30%3B00PM.JPG........... YEAH....BA in a massive stomp, supes cannot even beat ultraa, and hes around hyperion in strength.

Mindset
Originally posted by Avlon
Superman wins. He wins an ass kicking from BA.

cloud102
Originally posted by james2099
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__p6Clhn9WDI/RvMtJ-REgzI/AAAAAAAABrU/5ccpj4Aka5I/s400/09-20-2007+07%3B30%3B00PM.JPG........... YEAH....BA in a massive stomp, supes cannot even beat ultraa, and hes around hyperion in strength.

Was that Pre-Crisis, because PC Ultraa was stronger than Superman. Shattering his jaw, while the force from the blow knocking down the rest of the league. Post crisis Ultraa was lame. Ultraa is lame overall.

james2099
Originally posted by cloud102
Was that Pre-Crisis, because PC Ultraa was stronger than Superman. Shattering his jaw, while the force from the blow knocking down the rest of the league. Post crisis Ultraa was lame. Ultraa is lame overall. Nope, just regular ole Ultraa. He beat supes and the rest of the JLA, KOED them all. ONESHOTTED supes, flash, WW and others.

TricksterPriest
The animation in that shot looks PC.........

And if he beat the entire JLA, how is that a low showing? Adam never showed that kind of power during WW3.

quanchi112
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The animation in that shot looks PC.........

And if he beat the entire JLA, how is that a low showing? Adam never showed that kind of power during WW3. When has Superman ever showed the combat formidability to take on all the heroes that BA had faced in ww 3?

james2099
Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Superman ever showed the combat formidability to take on all the heroes that BA had faced in ww 3? NEVER.

james2099
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Superman wink http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/File:Justice_League_of_America_153_001.jpg

Juk3n
ww3 BA, beat someJobbers, and BOY did they job. Superman kicks his ass.

cloud102
Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Superman ever showed the combat formidability to take on all the heroes that BA had faced in ww 3?

Supes did take on hundreds of his foes at once, but it's not the first time Adam has taken on teams and done well.

Raoul
Originally posted by Juk3n
ww3 BA, beat someJobbers, and BOY did they job. Superman kicks his ass.

Enyalus
Originally posted by james2099
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__p6Clhn9WDI/RvMtJ-REgzI/AAAAAAAABrU/5ccpj4Aka5I/s400/09-20-2007+07%3B30%3B00PM.JPG........... YEAH....BA in a massive stomp, supes cannot even beat ultraa, and hes around hyperion in strength.
I hope you realize that was 1978...

Making it PC era.

cloud102
Isn't that Jim Lee?! big grin

Enyalus
Originally posted by cloud102
Isn't that Jim Lee?! big grin
Go away, PC-era nut.

You and your 'Hercules Unbound' references, and all.

stick out tongue

cloud102
I've scaled back those threads, so stop hating! wink

Charmander
Adam tears Superman's legs off.

illadelph12
I'd actually take Adam, and I don't consider what happened in WW3 jobbing because Black Adam is Captain Marvel's equal at normal power levels. If Captain Marvel Or Superman had gone on that same rampage everyone of the detractors in this thread would be hailing it as a top feat.

carver9
Originally posted by illadelph12
I'd actually take Adam, and I don't consider what happened in WW3 jobbing because Black Adam is Captain Marvel's equal at normal power levels. If Captain Marvel Or Superman had gone on that same rampage everyone of the detractors in this thread would be hailing it as a top feat.

This statement is soooooo true

Charmander
Originally posted by illadelph12
I'd actually take Adam, and I don't consider what happened in WW3 jobbing because Black Adam is Captain Marvel's equal at normal power levels. If Captain Marvel Or Superman had gone on that same rampage everyone of the detractors in this thread would be hailing it as a top feat. Correction: Superior

Adam was upgraded

OneDumbG0
^ Upgraded?

Charmander
He was being powered by another God in addition to his already omnipotent self.

Isis

jrodslam
Adam was depowerd when he had his family due to giving up portions of his own. When they died, he got his power back.

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by Charmander
He was being powered by another God in addition to his already omnipotent self.

Isis Well... I thought Black Adam sacrificed a portion of his power to heal Osiris in 52, who was subsequently killed without ever really returning the power and then Isis used her power to heal a dying Black Adam. I wasn't aware that she healed him from near-death and then amped him. Scans?

Charmander
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Well... I thought Black Adam sacrificed a portion of his power to heal Osiris in 52, who was subsequently killed without ever really returning the power and then Isis used her power to heal a dying Black Adam. I wasn't aware that she healed him from near-death and then amped him. Scans? Black Adam gave a portion of his power to Osiris. Osiris died and the power came back (it's the same thing Billy has been doing for years). In fact, I remember Osiris's power flowing into Adam when he died, and this was the sign that he died.

Dying? I don't recall this.

Isis's power went into Adam when she died.

I'll look. Either way, I remember Adam being fueled by seven Gods as opposed to six.

OneDumbG0
^ You may be right. I'd still appreciate scans though. Y'know if they had not convuluted 52 with so many garbage storylines other than Booster Gold's, Question's and Black Adam's story, I might remember it better. It was definitely Black Adam's time to shine and it was just handled poorly. 52 could have truly culminated into a real World War III rather than the rush job it turned out to be. A shame. Only good thing was the resolution to Booster Gold's story. Too bad Jurgens couldn't keep up that momentum a year into his solo series.

illadelph12
It's been a while since I've read that story also. IIRC, Isis was independently powered by an artifact that Teth gave to her whereas Osiris received a portion of Black Adam's power. After their deaths Teth received the portion of power he'd given to Osiris back as well as the power he'd given to Isis (which was independent of his own power).

zeel
Originally posted by Juk3n
ww3 BA, beat someJobbers, and BOY did they job. Superman kicks his ass.




aint happeing man. Give me some scans of superman beating the tar out of a unamped BA.


Good luck on that one bud.

Charmander
I give up looking.

I didn't put it in the respect thread.

Hyperion Prime
Originally posted by illadelph12
I'd actually take Adam, and I don't consider what happened in WW3 jobbing because Black Adam is Captain Marvel's equal at normal power levels. If Captain Marvel Or Superman had gone on that same rampage everyone of the detractors in this thread would be hailing it as a top feat.

thumb up

jrodslam
Life and Death of Osiris. sad

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Death of Isis. sad

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Not sure if i missed anything, but i didnt see any mention of him getting stronger when she died.

OneDumbG0
^ Well Osiris' power definitely returned to Black Adam. And that lightning bolt could be construed to be Isis' power flowing into Black Adam. But I'd be convinced by Black Adam stating that he was powered by seven gods rather than six.

jrodslam
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Well Osiris' power definitely returned to Black Adam. And that lightning bolt could be construed to be Isis' power flowing into Black Adam. But I'd be convinced by Black Adam stating that he was powered by seven gods rather than six.

The only time Adam was powered by Isis was when he was in search of her amulet. Faust used the remaining magical essence in the bones to give Adam a new word and power him that way. When she died, he didnt get any of her power. Also, when did Adam say he was powered by 7 gods? Ive always know him to be powered by 6.

Allankles
Originally posted by Avlon
Superman wins.

JakeTheBank
1.) Black Adam wins.
2.) Superman could possibly win if he cuts loose (unlikely), but BA for the majority, none the less.

Charmander
Originally posted by jrodslam
The only time Adam was powered by Isis was when he was in search of her amulet. Faust used the remaining magical essence in the bones to give Adam a new word and power him that way. When she died, he didnt get any of her power. Also, when did Adam say he was powered by 7 gods? Ive always know him to be powered by 6. It wasn't when she died that it mentioned it. IIRC it was somebody else mentioning that he had another God powering him.

Curses... I know I'll find it after this thread is long dead.

jrodslam
Originally posted by Charmander
It wasn't when she died that it mentioned it. IIRC it was somebody else mentioning that he had another God powering him.

Curses... I know I'll find it after this thread is long dead.

Well c'mon. Do work dammit! Lol.

lordraiden
Superman! I believe the whole purpose of 52 and the WWIII story is what would hapen when Superman, and the likes of WW and Batman arn't around! Superman would have handled that situation, but since he wasn't around, that was the whole purpose of WWIII!

The Pict
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shifty

Philosophía
Originally posted by Charmander
It wasn't when she died that it mentioned it. IIRC it was somebody else mentioning that he had another God powering him.

Curses... I know I'll find it after this thread is long dead. http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_BlackAdam7Gods.jpg

cloud102
Originally posted by Charmander
It wasn't when she died that it mentioned it. IIRC it was somebody else mentioning that he had another God powering him.

Curses... I know I'll find it after this thread is long dead.

You're right. It was someone else that mentioned it. In the mini featuring the Horseman, one of the Horsemen of Apocalypse stated that Adam was the most powerful being on the planet. I'll try and find a pic or something.

cloud102

KuRuPT Thanosi

jrodslam
Im not buying it. Typo? Adam was never known to be powered by 7 gods. Or was he? Prior to that.
Shu - stamina
Heru - swiftness
Amon - strength
Zehuti - wisdom
Aton - power
Mehen - courage

carver9
Originally posted by cloud102
You're right. It was someone else that mentioned it. In the mini featuring the Horseman, one of the Horsemen of Apocalypse stated that Adam was the most powerful being on the planet. I'll try and find a pic or something.

It was mentioned twice as him being the most powerful on the planet. They even compared him and supes powers and said that black adam was more powerful than him.

Thats common knowledge that black adam and captain marvel is more powerful than supes but that still doesnt mean that supes cant pull some wins from him (dont know how though due to black adams amazing durability).

Philosophía
Originally posted by jrodslam
Im not buying it. Typo? Adam was never known to be powered by 7 gods. Or was he? Prior to that.
Shu - stamina
Heru - swiftness
Amon - strength
Zehuti - wisdom
Aton - power
Mehen - courage

That's the whole point.

This isn't the only evidence that Black Adam was amped in this instance btw. smile

jrodslam

illadelph12
I thought Isis gave Teth her powers as she died so he could avenge her and her brother's deaths?

Lord Feron
Originally posted by carver9
It was mentioned twice as him being the most powerful on the planet. They even compared him and supes powers and said that black adam was more powerful than him.

Thats common knowledge that black adam and captain marvel is more powerful than supes but that still doesnt mean that supes cant pull some wins from him (dont know how though due to black adams amazing durability).

I don like saying this of Supes but COMPARITIVELY! Maybe supes has more experience than BA despite slightly better stats. Supes deals with Super strong badasses all the time. And there is the skill factor but i have no clue what either one is compared to each other.

Philosophía
Originally posted by jrodslam
Wheres the evidence that he was amped? Youre confusing me. Adam was never amped. When Isis died, her power went back into the amulet.

The fact that he wasn't powered by 6 but 7 gods is exactly what indicates that he was amped. Nothing confusing about it.

But if you find that too ambiguous, here's what Mary had to say after Black Adam shared his powers with her post-World War III:

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_BlackAdamAmped.jpg

jrodslam
Originally posted by illadelph12
I thought Isis gave Teth her powers as she died so he could avenge her and her brother's deaths?

Nope. It went back into the amulet. I think it was billy or freddy who found it. He didnt know what to do with it, so him along with mary flew to space and threw the 4 pieces across the earth. Thats why in Adams mini, hes looking for the pieces to put it back together so that it would revive her.

Faust mentioned that Isis's bones had residue of her magical energy in them, so he cast a spell that made it to where Teth could change by using her magical energy by using the word "Isis". At this time, Teth was unable to change to Balck Adam cause Billy changed the magical word, remember? Everytime he did it, he drained that energy from her bones. Later on, Teth found out the word that billy changed Teth's magical word to, so he no longer used Isis's power to transform into Black Adam.

carver9
Originally posted by Lord Feron
I don like saying this of Supes but COMPARITIVELY! Maybe supes has more experience than BA despite slightly better stats. Supes deals with Super strong badasses all the time. And there is the skill factor but i have no clue what either one is compared to each other.

I think that black adam is more powerful BUT supes is just better at using the powers that he has at a better rate than black adam (speed, strength, long range powers, etc...).

It has been documented though that black adam is initially more powerful.

jrodslam
Someone messed up. Kinda contradicting to whats been posted about him having the power of 7. When she died, it went back into the amulet.

Gets amulet. Mentioned how the power is in there.

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After Adam finds the word, he mentions no longer needing to use Isis's residual energy.

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Faust mentions that Isis's connection to the amulet is still strong. Then shows mary and freddy find it and spread through earth.

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The Pict
Originally posted by carver9
I think that black adam is more powerful BUT supes is just better at using the powers that he has at a better rate than black adam (speed, strength, long range powers, etc...).

It has been documented though that black adam is initially more powerful.

BA isn't more powerful than Superman. He hasn't done a fraction of the things Superman has.

Originally posted by The Pict
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shifty

I take it people are just gonna ignore WW3 BA getting knocked down the street just because he got hit with a steel girder?

Kris Blaze
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carver9
Originally posted by The Pict
BA isn't more powerful than Superman. He hasn't done a fraction of the things Superman has.



I take it people are just gonna ignore WW3 BA getting knocked down the street just because he got hit with a steel girder?

I guess silver surfer, gladiator, king hyperion, thor, Supreme, Star dust, thanos, Darkseid, doomsday, titus, flash, Green lantern (should I keep going) isnt as powerful as supes since some dont own there own series and havent done 1/10 of the things that supes has done due to there small showings.

Captain marvel has proven on so many of occasion as A) being supes equal or B) being his superior. Take it like you want but it common knowledge and it has been stated throughout ALL of there appearances. Supes couldnt even move a holding back Black adam from a city that he thought was threatened by him so that alone should tell you something. I'm not even going to bring up the fact that it was said ON PANEL that black adam is supes superior.

Mindset
Originally posted by The Pict


I take it people are just gonna ignore WW3 BA getting knocked down the street just because he got hit with a steel girder? Hopefully.

Allankles
Originally posted by The Pict
BA isn't more powerful than Superman. He hasn't done a fraction of the things Superman has.

True. I don't see how anyone can say BA is more powerful than Supes. I mean really. Planetary destructive Heat vision. On top of his ridiculous durability, strength and speed. I don't see Supes face getting melted by MV.

xJLxKing
The thing about Superman that makes him look more stronger then his peers is the amount of showings, and feats he has. No one has as much as feats as Superman. So it pretty obvious to choose Superman.

Enyalus
Originally posted by Allankles
True. I don't see how anyone can say BA is more powerful than Supes. I mean really. Planetary destructive Heat vision. On top of his ridiculous durability, strength and speed. I don't see Supes face getting melted by MV.

Supes' face was scratched/blackened by Zod's HV, though.

Raoul
Originally posted by carver9
I guess silver surfer, gladiator, king hyperion, thor, Supreme, Star dust, thanos, Darkseid, doomsday, titus, flash, Green lantern (should I keep going) isnt as powerful as supes since some dont own there own series and havent done 1/10 of the things that supes has done due to there small showings.

that isn't what he meant.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Supes' face was scratched/blackened by Zod's HV, though.

kryptonians can hurt each other with hv. happens a lot... doesn't take away from the power of it, imo. might actually add to it, if we go by the rationale that hv is solar energy in such a high concentration that it's too much for a kryptonian to handle, so it injures them...

quanchi112
Originally posted by Allankles
True. I don't see how anyone can say BA is more powerful than Supes. I mean really. Planetary destructive Heat vision. On top of his ridiculous durability, strength and speed. I don't see Supes face getting melted by MV. I can also say I can't see BA getting his jaw broken by Zod either.Originally posted by xJLxKing
The thing about Superman that makes him look more stronger then his peers is the amount of showings, and feats he has. No one has as much as feats as Superman. So it pretty obvious to choose Superman. Feats don't really determine these matchups it's ho wthey stack up against one another.

Enyalus
Originally posted by Raoul
kryptonians can hurt each other with hv. happens a lot... doesn't take away from the power of it, imo. might actually add to it, if we go by the rationale that hv is solar energy in such a high concentration that it's too much for a kryptonian to handle, so it injures them...
I was only pointing out that, since Martian Vision is similar, and it melted BA's face...Supes has had similar problems dealing with HV-type attacks.

The Pict
Originally posted by Mindset
Hopefully.

durfist Well they shouldn't, because it's a piss poor durability showing.

Originally posted by carver9
I guess silver surfer, gladiator, king hyperion, thor, Supreme, Star dust, thanos, Darkseid, doomsday, titus, flash, Green lantern (should I keep going) isnt as powerful as supes since some dont own there own series and havent done 1/10 of the things that supes has done due to there small showings.

Captain marvel has proven on so many of occasion as A) being supes equal or B) being his superior. Take it like you want but it common knowledge and it has been stated throughout ALL of there appearances. Supes couldnt even move a holding back Black adam from a city that he thought was threatened by him so that alone should tell you something. I'm not even going to bring up the fact that it was said ON PANEL that black adam is supes superior.

Common knowledge? To who? You and all the other Superman haters.

Get back to me when you have actual evidence of BA being more powerful than Superman.

Raoul
Originally posted by Enyalus
I was only pointing out that, since Martian Vision is similar, and it melted BA's face...Supes has had similar problems dealing with HV-type attacks.

how similar are they, though?

(i mean that rhetorically)

carver9
Originally posted by The Pict
durfist Well they shouldn't, because it's a piss poor durability showing.



Common knowledge? To who? You and all the other Superman haters.

Get back to me when you have actual evidence of BA being more powerful than Superman.

By your logic supes>>>>surfer, black adam, and captain marvel which is bullsh**. How about you get back to me once you have knowledge of the characters you're debating about.

It was said ON PANEL that black adam is more powerful than supes, what more do you want.

Its not that we're superman haters, its the fact that you ride his nuts all lthe time which make you overlook obvious crap.

carver9
Originally posted by Raoul
how similar are they, though?

(i mean that rhetorically)

They're both heat vision which is very similar.

Raoul
Originally posted by carver9
By your logic supes>>>>surfer, black adam, and captain marvel which is bullsh**. How about you get back to me once you have knowledge of the characters you're debating about.

It was said ON PANEL that black adam is more powerful than supes, what more do you want.

Its not that we're superman haters, its the fact that you ride his nuts all lthe time which make you overlook obvious crap.

calm down.

Originally posted by carver9
They're both heat vision which is very similar.

because they both emit heat they're similar?

Hyperion Prime

carver9
Originally posted by Raoul
calm down.



because they both emit heat they're similar?

my bad.

theres no evidence that proves that supes heatvision is>martians. This is a statement that we just dont know.

Raoul
Originally posted by carver9
my bad.

theres no evidence that proves that supes heatvision is>martians. This is a statement that we just dont know.

i never said one was above the other. i was debating how similar they are to each other.

carver9
Originally posted by Raoul
i never said one was above the other. i was debating how similar they are to each other.


OOPS, misread your post. Who is debating against what you said, thats ok dont answer this, I'll just read and find out.

carver9
Originally posted by Enyalus
Supes' face was scratched/blackened by Zod's HV, though.

Its kind of difference if you ask me. Supes face wasnt CLOSE to what black adams faced appeared as when he was hit by a dose of heat vision. Black adams face almost melted completely off whereas supes just received minor injuries.

Heat vision affects both but one took it much harder than the other.

The Pict
Originally posted by carver9
By your logic supes>>>>surfer, black adam, and captain marvel which is bullsh**. How about you get back to me once you have knowledge of the characters you're debating about.

What logic? I just said BA doesn't have the feats on Supes level. I didn't say anything about anyone else. You did.

And it's funny that you say I need to have knowledge about the characters I'm debating about. I've seen you post scans before totally misinterpreting what has happened because you haven't read the comic just saw the scan. You did it in a Hyperion V BA thread actually. Don't try to imprint your flaws on other debaters.

Originally posted by carver9


It was said ON PANEL that black adam is more powerful than supes, what more do you want.

Umm...actual evidence?

Originally posted by carver9
Its not that we're superman haters, its the fact that you ride his nuts all lthe time which make you overlook obvious crap.

Like you with Hulk or basically anyone fighting Superman tbh. I don't ride his nuts. I don't even like Superman that much, Marvel print my comics of choice. I just recognise he's one of the more powerful characters around, with the feats to back it up.

If you present the evidence I'll concede the argument.

carver9
Originally posted by The Pict
What logic? I just said BA doesn't have the feats on Supes level. I didn't say anything about anyone else. You did.

And it's funny that you say I need to have knowledge about the characters I'm debating about. I've seen you post scans before totally misinterpreting what has happened because you haven't read the comic just saw the scan. You did it in a Hyperion V BA thread actually. Don't try to imprint your flaws on other debaters.



Umm...actual evidence?



Like you with Hulk or basically anyone fighting Superman tbh. I don't ride his nuts. I don't even like Superman that much, Marvel print my comics of choice. I just recognise he's one of the more powerful characters around, with the feats to back it up.

If you present the evidence I'll concede the argument.

Here you go, read what the four horsemen say about adam and supes powerwise. You have to scroll down, its on the respect thread.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=388851&pagenumber=6

I never debated on any hyperion vs anybody threads, I dont like the character and I will never debate with him or hell, against him.

No one will EVER have the feats superman has because he star in like 10 comics. So again, using you logic/term, supes >surfer, etc.....

Not just the hulk, WWH, is who I debate about because he has shown to be on another level than any brick that a lot of top tiers faced and fallen to but again, its my opinion.

The Pict
Originally posted by carver9
Here you go, read what the four horsemen say about adam and supes powerwise. You have to scroll down, its on the respect thread.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=388851&pagenumber=6


Link me the scan? I don't see it.


Originally posted by carver9
I never debated on any hyperion vs anybody threads, I dont like the character and I will never debate with him or hell, against him.

Carver facepalm You MADE the thread. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=449428&pagenumber=1

Here's what I'm talking about:

Originally posted by carver9
you want more feats then hear you go.

This is his heat vision, basically a small nuke.
http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p238ra.jpg

Originally posted by The Pict
laughing out loud laughing out loud laughing out loud rolling on floor laughing OMG!!!! That's nothing to do with his heat vision. Seriously carver I lol'd so much!

That was the bomb set off in the army base to take out Hyperion. And the person who is saying "did it work?" is the president asking if the bomb killed him (it didn't but it f*cked him up and he may have died from his injuries if Zarda hadn't healed him)

Don't bring more "proof" here until you read Supreme Power, thanks.

Originally posted by carver9
Damn, my bad, I have read some of his book and just recently started reading more of it, I thought that was his heat vision, My bad but thanks for the correction.

Originally posted by carver9
No one will EVER have the feats superman has because he star in like 10 comics. So again, using you logic/term, supes >surfer, etc.....



I'm not talking about the number of feats. I'm saying what Superman has done put him above regular BA. And stop bringing other characters into this, I haven't said anything about them.

xJLxKing
^lol

Enyalus
Ahhh, you and me are the ones who loved Supreme Power, eh Pict? I remember that conversation.

The Pict
Originally posted by Enyalus
Ahhh, you and me are the ones who loved Supreme Power, eh Pict? I remember that conversation.

Yeah but I didn't finish it. I had the first 3 volumes, then the Nighthawk and Hyperion volumes but I didn't get the last one.

I think a new series was started last year but I didn't get round to buying it.

carver9
Originally posted by The Pict
Link me the scan? I don't see it.




Carver facepalm You MADE the thread. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=449428&pagenumber=1

Here's what I'm talking about:









I'm not talking about the number of feats. I'm saying what Superman has done put him above regular BA. And stop bringing other characters into this, I haven't said anything about them.


LOL, thats supreme, I love supreme as a character (none holding back version of supes) but I hate hyperion. Two different characters if you ask me.


Black adam havent even been in 80 books so how will he have more feats than supes. I showed you the scan saying that adam is superior, thats what you asked for so what more do you need.

Enyalus
Originally posted by The Pict
Yeah but I didn't finish it. I had the first 3 volumes, then the Nighthawk and Hyperion volumes but I didn't get the last one.

I think a new series was started last year but I didn't get round to buying it.
It's not that great. I think Dr. Spectrum and Hyperion only return from outer space in issue 7 or 8. And Hyp looks skinnier than in Ultimate Power OR Supreme Power, for some reason.

*shrug* So, you aren't missing much.

Enyalus
Originally posted by carver9
LOL, thats supreme, I love supreme as a character (none holding back version of supes) but I hate hyperion. Two different characters if you ask me.

...No, that was Hyperion.


Supreme is from Image and hasn't been out since '96.

Unless you count that god-awful Moore reboot.

carver9
Originally posted by Enyalus
...No, that was Hyperion.


Supreme is from Image and hasn't been out since '96.

Unless you count that god-awful Moore reboot.

But he's called both, supreme and hyperion, I call him supreme because I hate hyperion as a character just that much.

The Pict
Originally posted by carver9
LOL, thats supreme, I love supreme as a character (none holding back version of supes) but I hate hyperion. Two different characters if you ask me.


Black adam havent even been in 80 books so how will he have more feats than supes. I showed you the scan saying that adam is superior, thats what you asked for so what more do you need.

You said you never debated on any Hyperion. Supreme Power Hyperion is a version of Hyperion.

I asked for actual evidence, not someone saying BA is more powerful.
And you didn't show me a scan at all, you linked me to a thread, and I said I didn't see the scan. Still don't.

Enyalus
Originally posted by carver9
But he's called both, supreme and hyperion, I call him supreme because I hate hyperion as a character just that much.
The title of the issues are called Supreme Power. The guy's name is Mark Hamilton. Hyperion.

carver9
Originally posted by The Pict
You said you never debated on any Hyperion. Supreme Power Hyperion is a version of Hyperion.

I asked for actual evidence, not someone saying BA is more powerful.
And you didn't show me a scan at all, you linked me to a thread, and I said I didn't see the scan. Still don't.

Read the above statement if you want to know what I think about the difference in hyperion and supreme power.

The Pict
Originally posted by Enyalus
It's not that great. I think Dr. Spectrum and Hyperion only return from outer space in issue 7 or 8. And Hyp looks skinnier than in Ultimate Power OR Supreme Power, for some reason.

*shrug* So, you aren't missing much.

Ah okay. Thanks for the warning, probably would have ended up buying it from e-bay or something. Cheers.

carver9
Originally posted by Enyalus
The title of the issues are called Supreme Power. The guy's name is Mark Hamilton. Hyperion.

Just forget it, I'm still going to call him supreme because they messed up the hyperion titles.

The Pict
Originally posted by carver9
Read the above statement if you want to know what I think about the difference in hyperion and supreme power.

It doesn't matter what the difference is. He IS a version of Hyperion. That's why he's called, you know....Hyperion.

Also Hyperion is a character whereas Supreme Power is a comic book so the differences between those two completedly seperate things are gonna be pretty big smile

Enyalus
Originally posted by carver9
Just forget it, I'm still going to call him supreme because they messed up the hyperion titles.
No prob, homie.

The Pict
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The Pict
Originally posted by carver9
Just forget it, I'm still going to call him supreme because they messed up the hyperion titles.

They didn't mess up the titles. Supreme Power is completely seperate from everything else.

And that's just stupid his name is Hyperion, get over it roll eyes (sarcastic)

zeel
Originally posted by The Pict
BA isn't more powerful than Superman. He hasn't done a fraction of the things Superman has.



I take it people are just gonna ignore WW3 BA getting knocked down the street just because he got hit with a steel girder?



Better stated.



BA is very comparable to superman. Yep superman has many more feats them ba. Especially LIFTING feats! Just wanted to mention that. people just love to mention supes lifting feats. Now the fact remains weather post or pre crisis BA has a better track record against superman then superman does against Ba That is a fact.


As far as BA being more powerful then superman, physically they are about equals. Supes is a bit faster and BA is at least on par with supes as far as duribility goes. BA has taken hits from prime and recovered quickly, but on the other hand MM vision melted his face. Like wise supes has taken dmg from eradicater and Gen zod in the past. As far as blunt force goes i think they are bout even as far as duribility goes.


Btw did i mention supes LIFTING FEATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

zeel
Originally posted by Enyalus
Supes' face was scratched/blackened by Zod's HV, though.


Eradicator has physically burn holes ins supes face too.

Kris Blaze
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/JLA02914.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/JLA02915.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/JLA02916.jpg

I see you jokes didn't look at my scans D:

quanchi112
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I see you jokes didn't look at my scans D: Supes got dropped in those scans.

Philosophía
Just remembered this.Originally posted by jrodslam
Someone messed up. Kinda contradicting to whats been posted about him having the power of 7. When she died, it went back into the amulet.

Gets amulet. Mentioned how the power is in there.

http://img14.imagehosting.gr/out.php/t628778_DC52Week12013.jpg http://img14.imagehosting.gr/out.php/t628779_DC52Week12018.jpg

After Adam finds the word, he mentions no longer needing to use Isis's residual energy.

http://img14.imagehosting.gr/out.php/t628757_BlackAdam6p13.jpg

Faust mentions that Isis's connection to the amulet is still strong. Then shows mary and freddy find it and spread through earth.

http://img14.imagehosting.gr/out.php/t628780_BlackAdam3p04.jpg http://img14.imagehosting.gr/out.php/t628781_BlackAdam3p05.jpg

So..what scan exactly contradicts what I've posted, which flat-out states that Black Adam was powered by seven gods and that Isis gave her power to Black Adam ? All you've shown up until now is a scan showing that the amulet contained Isis's power prior to Adriana transforming, another scan showing that Black Adam no longer uses the residual energy within Isis's bones to summon the lightning, and that she still retains a strong connection to the amulet.

You're taking leaps of logic, and assume that this somehow is contradicting what has been clearly established, when that's clearly not the case. It is stated during the 52 series that Black Adam is powered by 7 gods. Later, when he gives his power to Mary, it is flat-out stated that Isis gave her powers to Black Adam which he in turn gave to Mary. And you'll just have to take my word for it (since I'm not going to search for it) that it is stated in an interview during around the WW3 period that Black Adam has Isis's powers aswell. It's somewhere in the old Newsarama forum (if it's still there).

I'd like nothing better than Black Adam not to be powered up during WW3. But he was, and there's clear proof showing this.

jrodslam

Philosophía
Originally posted by jrodslam
What contradicts is that, Adam states that the power is in the amulet. Then it was stated that the amulet was found then broken up into 4. It was then stated again that the power to bring Isis back was in the amulet in which she was given in the first place. Also, if Adam was powered by Isis along with his 6 gods, he wouldnt need the amulet. Hed just give the power back because it would be in him, right?

Also, if he were powered by Isis, when Marvel changed him back, hed still have her power, but not his own. He didnit. Isis's power isnt connected to Marvel/Adams so hed still have her power. You seriously dont see something wrong with that? How the hell does Silvana(sp?) know if Adam is boosted by Isis anyways?

Adam states that the power is within the amulet before Adriana summons it. It was stated that the amulet was the key to bringing her back but nothing about her power being returned to her amulet once she was dead. Who said giving her powers back was what was needed in order to resurrect Isis ? You're assuming things and taking leaps of logic just because you can't accept clear evidence that Black Adam was powered by Isis.

'How did Sivana know ?'. Are you serious with this counter-arguments ? Besides this laughable stance, you're ignoring it being flat-out stated that Black Adam was powered by Isis. On panel. You're also ignoring what I said earlier about the writers themselves saying in an interview that Black Adam had Isis's powers stacked above his. You're wrong. Now stop.

BattleMage
Adam

psycho gundam
superman more often than not i think

lightyeargee
MM was taking it to Adam before he mind ****ed himself.Superman is greater than MM. There is a reason BA didn't fight WW,CM,Superman, GL, Flash in WW3. It wasn't feasible that he could realisticly beat any of them and still be tuff enuff to rampage the other heroes. Superman wins.

psycho gundam
logical leaping "101"

Badabing
WW III BA had his powers plus the powers of Isis. It was stated that Isis was more powerful than BA also. So all the talk of everyone jobbing in WW III is a bit exaggerated.

BA on his own is a peer of Supes, more or less.

h1a8
Superman with his mental blocks is a peer of BA (but slightly better due to more powers). But some to all of those blocks come off during the fight. Superman without the blocks is superior to BA.

Statements in comics are invalid if either it is shown otherwise or it is not shown at all while already being somewhat unbelievable. For example, it was stated that Sentry stalemated Galactus. This wasn't shown nor is it believable. Thus it isn't valid.

Captain Marvel matched WWIII BA so that is why him being more powerful than a non holding back Superman is unbelievable.

cdtm
Originally posted by lightyeargee
MM was taking it to Adam before he mind ****ed himself.

The mind backlash was PIS. MM admitted he could have simply shut Adams mind down, but instead tried controlling his body, and secondly MM not being able to handle the pain from Adams life is contradicted by the end of the series where Adam can't handle MM's entire planet dying.

There's no way MM should have been phased by Adams problems.

OneDumbG0
^ Except he was. J'onn coming to grips with his own population getting decimated doesn't automatically make him immune to seeing millions dying. It actually reraises the severe trauma that he felt. Except it's fresh and new and not a somber memory.

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman with his mental blocks is a peer of BA (but slightly better due to more powers). But some to all of those blocks come off during the fight. Superman without the blocks is superior to BA.

Statements in comics are invalid if either it is shown otherwise or it is not shown at all while already being somewhat unbelievable. For example, it was stated that Sentry stalemated Galactus. This wasn't shown nor is it believable. Thus it isn't valid.

Captain Marvel matched WWIII BA so that is why him being more powerful than a non holding back Superman is unbelievable. Execpt captain marvel matched kc superman so regular supes matchin a non holding back marvel/adam is unbelievable

carver9
Originally posted by Badabing
WW III BA had his powers plus the powers of Isis. It was stated that Isis was more powerful than BA also. So all the talk of everyone jobbing in WW III is a bit exaggerated.

BA on his own is a peer of Supes, more or less.

I agree but you also have to look at the fact that Adams durability was kind of jacked during that run. Martian Manhunters heat vision almost took him out and Superman heat vision>Martians.

I think Supes blast would be the deciding factor of this battle along with his better durability showings.

OneDumbG0
^ MMH could do that to Superman's face provided Superman just fought several superhuman teams across the world also. And then some. Believe it.Originally posted by h1a8
Captain Marvel matched WWIII BA so that is why him being more powerful than a non holding back Superman is unbelievable. Captain Marvel got his ass thrashed by WW3 Black Adam...

... the entire Marvel family got thrashed even.

carver9
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ MMH could do that to Superman's face provided Superman just fought several superhuman teams across the world also. And then some. Believe it.Captain Marvel got his ass thrashed by WW3 Black Adam...

... the entire Marvel family got thrashed even.

It probably could but Adam durability showing throughout that arc still make me believe that Superman would pull a majority. The guy got shot in the arm with a bowing arrow and it went through him.

I know how powerful Adam is and WW3 BA, I would say that he is stronger but his durability isnt going to last against someone that is trying to take him out of the fight ASAP.

cdtm
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ MMH could do that to Superman's face provided Superman just fought several superhuman teams across the world also. And then some. Believe it.Captain Marvel got his ass thrashed by WW3 Black Adam...

... the entire Marvel family got thrashed even.

Not to mention Martian Manhunter, even though he jobs a lot.

And Superman was taking injuries in Death of Superman. More current versions had his jaw broken by Zod, and his arm broken by Doomsday.

Put Superman in the same scenerio as World War III Adam, and he'll be lucky to come out of it conscious, let alone injury free.

carver9
Originally posted by cdtm
Not to mention Martian Manhunter, even though he jobs a lot.

And Superman was taking injuries in Death of Superman. More current versions had his jaw broken by Zod, and his arm broken by Doomsday.

Put Superman in the same scenerio as World War III Adam, and he'll be lucky to come out of it conscious, let alone injury free.

I dont think Superman could pull off what Adam did but again Superman durability is just more impressive to me than Black Adams.

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by carver9
It probably could but Adam durability showing throughout that arc still make me believe that Superman would pull a majority. The guy got shot in the arm with a bowing arrow and it went through him.

I know how powerful Adam is and WW3 BA, I would say that he is stronger but his durability isnt going to last against someone that is trying to take him out of the fight ASAP. And he romped all of DC Earth, including the Science Squad, the Marvel family, the JLA, the JSA, The Great Ten, the Teen Titans, etc. all without rest.

If you really have problems concerning the arrows, then ask yourself whether it's possible that those arrows might have been special arrows. Originally posted by cdtm
Not to mention Martian Manhunter, even though he jobs a lot.

And Superman was taking injuries in Death of Superman. More current versions had his jaw broken by Zod, and his arm broken by Doomsday.

Put Superman in the same scenerio as World War III Adam, and he'll be lucky to come out of it conscious, let alone injury free. thumb up

chanel5198
BA

h1a8
Tough fight but I see Superman releasing his mental blocks at some point. Plus HV is always a factor.

carver9
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And he romped all of DC Earth, including the Science Squad, the Marvel family, the JLA, the JSA, The Great Ten, the Teen Titans, etc. all without rest.

If you really have problems concerning the arrows, then ask yourself whether it's possible that those arrows might have been special arrows. thumb up

When did he fight the JLA? I remember him fight the rest but the only member of the JLA I remember him fighting is the Martian but everything else you said, I agree with and with the people that he was fighting without rest, I can see his durability depleting.

Good post.

OneDumbG0
^ Donna Troy, Dr. Light, Plastic Man, Green Lanterns John Stewart and Guy Gardner, Steel, Black Canary, Green Arrow, Geoforce, Vixen, Firestorm, Zatanna, Red Arrow, Black Lightning, and Martian Manhunter.

I also forgot that WW3 Black Adam mowed through the Doom Patrol in addition to all those other teams.

Colossus-Big C
black adam stomps
normal black adam would win in a hard match

carver9
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Donna Troy, Dr. Light, Plastic Man, Green Lanterns John Stewart and Guy Gardner, Steel, Black Canary, Green Arrow, Geoforce, Vixen, Firestorm, Zatanna, Red Arrow, Black Lightning, and Martian Manhunter.

I also forgot that WW3 Black Adam mowed through the Doom Patrol in addition to all those other teams.

Yeah, that is the JLA.

So what would you give Adam in this fight against Supes.

celeyhyga17
Bump

quanchi112
I miss colossus big c. Someone for the love all of things kmc unban him.

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