Wolverine/Sabertooth vs Death Stroke/Batman/Nightwing

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carver9
Everyone on dc has standard gear.

Badabing
Batman solos. biscuits

Raoul
Originally posted by Badabing
Batman solos. biscuits

thumb up

Enyalus
Standard gear for Deathstroke is his twin Prometheum swords, I think.

Gonna give this to the DC boys, 6/10.

OneDumbG0
Wolverine and Sabretooth's speed and viciousness may cause Batman and Nightwing fits, but they're good enough to not be completely overwhelmed and their teamwork would cause any duo fits. But Deathstroke really does put them over the top...

... as to how much, I don't know yet.

carver9
I honestly give this to wolvy and sabes due to there speed edge, durability and senses.

The thing is noone on team 2 can afford to get hit and since the two on marvels side is as much of a good fighter and has the speed to keep up or overwhelm anyone on team 2 its common knowledge that team two would get hit.

My opinion though, wanted to see what others thought about this.

OneDumbG0
^ Deathstroke can afford to get hit and can keep going strong. You woefully underestimate Batman and Nightwing's fighting ability if you think they get eviscerated before those three can marshal their resources and take this duo out.

Charmander
Batman kicks Wolverine's claws through Sabertooth's head.

He then nerve punches Wolverine.

carver9
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Deathstroke can afford to get hit and can keep going strong. You woefully underestimate Batman and Nightwing's fighting ability if you think they get eviscerated before those three can marshal their resources and take this duo out.

I never said that it was that easy, I said that neither on dc side besides deathstroke could afford to get hit. Deathstroke is the key factor to dc side but what kind of possibility would he give his teammates against two guys who has one of the best healing factors in comics and also posses every ability that they have. Batman and nightwing would have problems with wolverine alone, the question is can Deathstroke take sabes out before getting killed.

OneDumbG0
^ Deathstroke possesses a ridiculous tactical edge with his increased brain capacity. Even if he didn't have time to plan out strategy with Batman and Nightwing, it's very arguable that he'd be able to complement their natural fighting ability and flawless teamwork. Wolverine and Sabretooth can be taken out.

And this doesn't take into account how Deathstroke could feasibly match either Wolverine or Sabretooth while Batman/Nightwing take the other on. The odds are stacked, especially with standard gear involved.

carver9
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Deathstroke possesses a ridiculous tactical edge with his increased brain capacity. Even if he didn't have time to plan out strategy with Batman and Nightwing, it's very arguable that he'd be able to complement their natural fighting ability and flawless teamwork. Wolverine and Sabretooth can be taken out.

And this doesn't take into account how Deathstroke could feasibly match either Wolverine or Sabretooth while Batman/Nightwing take the other on. The odds are stacked, especially with standard gear involved.

So when during this fight will deathstroke have the time to plan this out? I didnt say this was a prepped fight. If deathstroke was as smart at playing things out without prep he would win almost all of his fights. confused

He would be on the high road of trying to survive than anything else and I know for a fact that he's not soloing sabes who is faster, stronger, as good of a fighter and just straight up more vicious than he is. Sabertooth would be trying to KILL him as soon as the fight start. By the way, please dont say that adamantium sabes isnt faster since he did blitz deadpool and blitz the hell out of wolverine and both wolverine and deadpool has speed feats that is equal or puts them above deathstroke,

I agree, when it comes to plot none is better thandeathstroke but this isnt a fight that he would have the time to do any of that.

psycho gundam
i'm riding with team one.

Mindset
Originally posted by Charmander
Batman kicks Wolverine's claws through Sabertooth's head.

He then nerve punches Wolverine. Best answer so far.

The Nuul
Originally posted by Charmander

He then nerve punches Wolverine.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7708/wolverineversusspocksta.th.jpg

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by carver9
So when during this fight will deathstroke have the time to plan this out? I didnt say this was a prepped fight. If deathstroke was as smart at playing things out without prep he would win almost all of his fights. confused

He would be on the high road of trying to survive than anything else and I know for a fact that he's not soloing sabes who is faster, stronger, as good of a fighter and just straight up more vicious than he is. Sabertooth would be trying to KILL him as soon as the fight start. By the way, please dont say that adamantium sabes isnt faster since he did blitz deadpool and blitz the hell out of wolverine and both wolverine and deadpool has speed feats that is equal or puts them above deathstroke,

I agree, when it comes to plot none is better thandeathstroke but this isnt a fight that he would have the time to do any of that. No prep. Just during the course of the fight, he'd figure something out. Like Batman, given time, but sooner because of his increased brain capacity.

Deathstroke moving his sword in position in time to stab Flash surpasses anything I've seen from Sabretooth or Wolverine.

Assuming that Wolverine and Sabretooth focus on Batman and Nightwing, whose skill and nearly unmatched teamwork make it very hard for the feral duo to put them down, Deathstroke should be able to think of something. And since nerve strikes and focused stabbing has slowed both of them down before (and even put them down before), I think the trio has a distinct advantage. Otherwise, like I said, if Deathstroke has to handle one opponent, the duo of Batman and Nightwing could very arguably take down the other opponent while Deathstroke holds his own.

carver9
Originally posted by The Nuul
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7708/wolverineversusspocksta.th.jpg

You do know that wolverine was faking and bounced back up with his claws against sparks neck right? Happy Dance

Mindset
Originally posted by carver9
You do know that wolverine was faking and bounced back up with his claws against sparks neck right? Happy Dance No one cares.

carver9
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No prep. Just during the course of the fight, he'd figure something out. Like Batman, given time, but sooner because of his increased brain capacity.

Deathstroke moving his sword in position in time to stab Flash surpasses anything I've seen from Sabretooth or Wolverine.

Assuming that Wolverine and Sabretooth focus on Batman and Nightwing, whose skill and nearly unmatched teamwork make it very hard for the feral duo to put them down, Deathstroke should be able to think of something. And since nerve strikes and focused stabbing has slowed both of them down before (and even put them down before), I think the trio has a distinct advantage. Otherwise, like I said, if Deathstroke has to handle one opponent, the duo of Batman and Nightwing could very arguably take down the other opponent while Deathstroke holds his own.

So you're saying that throughout this time of thinking dc wont get stabbed or slashed? How about this, tell me deathstrokes best healing feat because we both know with deathstroke fighting either wolverine or sabes he's going to get stabbed just like batman and nightwing will also.

Throughout this plan that your talking about dc team cannot afford to get hit once, they would have to come up with something IMMEDIATELY. Do you think thats possible?

carver9
Originally posted by Mindset
No one cares.

LOL, alrighty then.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by carver9
You do know that wolverine was faking and bounced back up with his claws against sparks neck right? Happy Dance how did you misspell it "sparks"?

carver9
Originally posted by psycho gundam
how did you misspell it "sparks"?

I dont know how you find me but you do. How about you respond to my post in the anime thread.

Juntai
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wolverine and Sabretooth's speed and viciousness may cause Batman and Nightwing fits, but they're good enough to not be completely overwhelmed and their teamwork would cause any duo fits. But Deathstroke really does put them over the top...

... as to how much, I don't know yet.

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by carver9
So you're saying that throughout this time of thinking dc wont get stabbed or slashed? How about this, tell me deathstrokes best healing feat because we both know with deathstroke fighting either wolverine or sabes he's going to get stabbed just like batman and nightwing will also.

Throughout this plan that your talking about dc team cannot afford to get hit once, they would have to come up with something IMMEDIATELY. Do you think thats possible? He can fight and think strategically at the same time. That's what using nearly all of your brain capacity can do for you. As he showed against the JLA in Identity Crisis, a team he didn't know was coming beforehand, he managed to nearly neutralize them all without any sort of prep. You assume he's going to get stabbed straight up, but there are plenty of street-levelers who have not been stabbed straight up by either Wolverine or Sabes and they have considerably lower physical stats than Deathstroke does.

For some reason you keep projecting a clean kill strike onto every possible hit that Wolvie or Sabes will connect on the trio. That is patently false as most competent street levelers are not killed outright by either of them as is quite obvious by their fights. Should I name how many street-level opponents are not tagged by clean kill strikes? This is even in well-extended fights. This simple fact should be apparent to you.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by carver9
I dont know how you find me but you do. How about you respond to my post in the anime thread. pm the link since i have no clue what you're talking about.

carver9
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He can fight and think strategically at the same time. That's what using nearly all of your brain capacity can do for you. As he showed against the JLA in Identity Crisis, a team he didn't know was coming beforehand, he managed to nearly neutralize them all without any sort of prep. You assume he's going to get stabbed straight up, but there are plenty of street-levelers who have not been stabbed straight up by either Wolverine or Sabes and they have considerably lower physical stats than Deathstroke does.

For some reason you keep projecting a clean kill strike onto every possible hit that Wolvie or Sabes will connect on the trio. That is patently false as most competent street levelers are not killed outright by either of them as is quite obvious by their fights. Should I name how many street-level opponents are not tagged by clean kill strikes? This is even in well-extended fights. This simple fact should be apparent to you.

I never said kill at the first swipe but it would slow them down. Deathstroke is the only one on there team that could afford to get hit more than once (depending on the area he's getting hit at) and he still doesnt have the type of healing factor that you're putting him at to afford to get hit by either of his opponents.

The question I ask again is will he come up with this plan before him receiving an injury that would either kill him or slow him down. Wolverine and sabes would be at there prime throughout the fight, no matter what damage the trio come up with but team two cant afford to get hit not once which WILL happen.

Didnt deathstroke prep for the jla fight; to my knowledge he did.

OneDumbG0
^ Once again, you equate every single hit Wolvie or Sabes could manage to be a killing strike or one-shot. Punisher, Daredevil, Elektra, Cap, Spidey, classic Iron Fist, all of them have have taken hits from those two and they were neither killed nor slowed down to the point where the battle was inevitably in Wolvie's or Sabes' favor.

Batman, Nightwing and Deathstroke rival the street-levelers that those two have faced. To assume that Wolvie and Sabes, by mere virtue of stabbing or slashing, have some kind of fictional insurmountable one-shot advantage over this trio is completely ludicrous. Talented people with guns have the same so-called "insurmountable one-shot advantage" that Wolvie and Sabes has. How often have we seen this simple bullet advantage topple or even kill top street-levelers? And considering the devices and gadgets the trio have, this is a battle easily in the trio's favor.

And no, Deathstroke had no reason to know which JLA team he would face as there were near a dozen teams mobilized to find Sue Dibny's killer. He beat a mish-mash JLA team on the fly using pretty standard gear, i.e. a few mines, and a gag with simple garbage ties and a laser pointer.

carver9
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Once again, you equate every single hit Wolvie or Sabes could manage to be a killing strike or one-shot. Punisher, Daredevil, Elektra, Cap, Spidey, classic Iron Fist, all of them have have taken hits from those two and they were neither killed nor slowed down to the point where the battle was inevitably in Wolvie's or Sabes' favor.

Batman, Nightwing and Deathstroke rival the street-levelers that those two have faced. To assume that Wolvie and Sabes, by mere virtue of stabbing or slashing, have some kind of fictional insurmountable one-shot advantage over this trio is completely ludicrous. Talented people with guns have the same so-called "insurmountable one-shot advantage" that Wolvie and Sabes has. How often have we seen this simple bullet advantage topple or even kill top street-levelers? And considering the devices and gadgets the trio have, this is a battle easily in the trio's favor.

And no, Deathstroke had no reason to know which JLA team he would face as there were near a dozen teams mobilized to find Sue Dibny's killer. He beat a mish-mash JLA team on the fly using pretty standard gear, i.e. a few mines, and a gag with simple garbage ties and a laser pointer.

Answer this question, how is team 2 taking out sabes and wolverine? confused

OneDumbG0
^ Promethium swords impaled through the throat cavity into the brains. Well-aimed bullets through the eye cavities into the brains. Well-placed batarangs or swords/knives into certain pressure points to incapacitate them. Choreographing their moves and causing Wolvie and Sabes to stab each other causing them to go berserk on each other for the k.o. I dunno. You got any ideas?

carver9
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Promethium swords impaled through the throat cavity into the brains. Well-aimed bullets through the eye cavities into the brains. Well-placed batarangs or swords/knives into certain pressure points to incapacitate them. Choreographing their moves and causing Wolvie and Sabes to stab each other causing them to go berserk on each other for the k.o. I dunno. You got any ideas?

LOL, now this is hilarious. So Deathstroke can stab wolverine and sabes but the marvel team doesnt have the abilities of stabbing them. Wolverine and Sabes is faster than the trio, have a better advantage at getting a stab in; has a healing fact that allows them to take punishment so that they can get in closer to attack.

I truly dont get your statement one dumb; maybe you can help me a little more. confused

OneDumbG0
^ Arguable that Wolvie or Sabes is actually faster than Deathstroke. Wolvie has been hit by a lot of bullets to the brain. Even in one on one matches. And since they have a numbers advantage against some of the best street-level fighters and tacticians in comics, this is a very distinct scenario.

You don't need help. Just think a bit more.

kevdude
Originally posted by Charmander
Batman kicks Wolverine's claws through Sabertooth's head.

He then nerve punches Wolverine.

laughing out loud nice. Would be a good fight

carver9
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Arguable that Wolvie or Sabes is actually faster than Deathstroke. Wolvie has been hit by a lot of bullets to the brain. Even in one on one matches. And since they have a numbers advantage against some of the best street-level fighters and tacticians in comics, this is a very distinct scenario.

You don't need help. Just think a bit more.

Answer this, do you think batman can punch wolverine in the face during this fight?

If your answer is yes, do you think that wolverine could hit batman in the face in this fight?

You cant argue for one side without looking at the possibilities of the others. Dc team would have to be MUCH faster in order not to get hit by wolverine or sabes in a vital area in the beginning of the fight. Is that what you're trying to say?

OneDumbG0
^ Yet, that same reductionist argument could be made for people with proficient skill with guns vs these top-tier street-levelers. You need to get it through your mind that possessing edged weapons that are capable of stabbing and eviscerating doesn't necessarily equate to an insurmountable advantage over H2H specialists, especially when these H2H specialists have their own personal arsenals to draw from.

carver9
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Yet, that same reductionist argument could be made for people with proficient skill with guns vs these top-tier street-levelers. You need to get it through your mind that possessing edged weapons that are capable of stabbing and eviscerating doesn't necessarily equate to an insurmountable advantage over H2H specialists, especially when these H2H specialists have their own personal arsenals to draw from.

I get that part but I dont think you get the part where batman, deathstroke, and Nightwing will be getting stabbed up also. The difference is one side can take it a LOT more than the other and still be at there prime.

Both parties will be hitting each other, thats not even debatable. I also could have sworn that wolverine and sabes is as much of a good fighter as there opponents. confused

Raoul
Originally posted by carver9
You do know that wolverine was faking and bounced back up with his claws against sparks neck right? Happy Dance

he wasn't faking. his HF just kicked in quicker than spock anticipated, iirc.

iceman24567
Deathstrokes explosives dominate the duo team two takes it more often than not.

cloud102
All 3 will have their work cut out, but I give the nod to Batman and Stroke. Nightwing watches.

Mindset
Nightwing is better than the combined might of everyone here.

He is friends with Kyle.

Sin I AM
yes I love dick as well Mindset, finally we hae something in common


@ Did Deadpool throw Goliath in that scene, wtf?

Slaanesh
team 1 for the majority..

grimify
Team 2

Raoul
Originally posted by Sin I AM
yes I love dick as well Mindset, finally we hae something in common

laughing

i'm sorry...

cloud102
Originally posted by Raoul
laughing

i'm sorry...

you should be ashamed of yourself. But that was damn funny. laughing out loud

carnage52
the game

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by carver9
I get that part but I dont think you get the part where batman, deathstroke, and Nightwing will be getting stabbed up also. The difference is one side can take it a LOT more than the other and still be at there prime.

Both parties will be hitting each other, thats not even debatable. I also could have sworn that wolverine and sabes is as much of a good fighter as there opponents.This presumes that Batman and Nightwing aren't good enough to use their top-tier skills and unmatched teamwork to avoid getting stabbed up while Deathstroke figures out a play. Both Wolverine and Sabes can be taken down through means other than overloading their healing factors. Another point you conveniently never account for.

No, that's your reductionist argument hopes for because it simplifies and narrows your scenario to fit your tunnel-vision, i.e. Wolvie and Sabes have obvious stabby, slicey weapons when engaging in toe-to-toe H2H combat and have near impossible HFs to overload. Whereas you ignore that the trio have made a living off of avoiding guns, lasers and stabby, slicey weapons and don't have to even engage in toe-to-toe H2H combat and overloading their HFs isn't the only way to beat Wolvie or Sabes.

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