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This thread discusses a point that's been brought up in another thread. The rules are subject to jinzin's approval, if he accepts this challenge. I am arguing that it's reasonable to interpret this telepathic bolt as moving at light speed or beyond. To give you further background, I continually held it out as evidence of FTL reflexes:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/ThorSuperspeed12428.jpg

Jinzin thinks it is absurd and completely unreasonable to assume so. As such, he has insisted that I address this point, like so:
Originally posted by jinzin
And NO... I'm not going to drop the telepathic bolt discussion because I'm not doing this again with you and it's the primary reason why we're here now. You made this thread as a direct means to attack my rationale which you label as absurd; don't be upset when I treat you in turn.

PROVE that telepathic BOLTS move at light speed. PROVE that Thor's reaction speed is beyond an instantaneous result.If I prove that it's reasonable to interpret telepathic bolts as moving at light speed, that naturally proves that Thor moving after it was fired is on-panel evidence of FTL reflexes in that instance. That much is obvious. I have no set time limit, although I prefer this to end one week from now. I don't object to comments from other posters, but NO ARGUMENTATION. I don't want people forcing either of us to argue on multiple fronts. Jinzin and I have strongly distinct opinions enough as it is. We reserve the right to approve judges. Votes will be tallied at the end and require a succinct explanation based completely on the arguments and evidence provided by us alone. No preconceived opinions. So that's it. Jinzin, as once before, you may clarify your position with an opening post. Begin whenever you like.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/speedofthoughtmh6.jpg

^ I was reserving that for later use... Anyway, I'm going to ask that if jinzin accepts this challenge, other posters refrain from arguing or making posts that would invite arguments, rebuttals or any sort of debates. I'd rather not have either of us distracted whereby we have to reply on multiple fronts. This includes posting scans.

id369: If you're reading this within the 15 minutes edit time limit, please edit and remove the scan and replace it with something else (not another scan). Also, if you steal my thunder again, I'll bash you with a fish.

fish

He posted 40 minutes ago.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I was reserving that for later use... Anyway, I'm going to ask that if jinzin accepts this challenge, other posters refrain from arguing or making posts that would invite arguments, rebuttals or any sort of debates. I'd rather not have either of us distracted whereby we have to reply on multiple fronts. This includes posting scans.

id369: If you're reading this within the 15 minutes edit time limit, please edit and remove the scan and replace it with something else (not another scan). Also, if you steal my thunder again, I'll bash you with a fish.

fish

Originally posted by Spire
He posted 40 minutes ago. When I want things done, they're supposed to get done, regardless of menial limitations like the space-time continuum. uhuh

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
When I want things done, they're supposed to get done, regardless of menial limitations like the space-time continuum. uhuh

Seemingly, you had potential to be my equal. Alas, you fail to get things done.

Originally posted by Spire
Seemingly, you had potential to be my equal. Alas, you fail to get things done.

Hold on. Let me handle the lightweight.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
When I want things done, they're supposed to get done, regardless of menial limitations like the space-time continuum. uhuh

OneDumbG0 the only real power you have is your direct line to my cerebral cortex. Through inference, we are able to determine that you approve of all of my decisions and in all likelihood originated the ideas yourself.

erm. two threads for a the same combatants battling? Why not just make it a subset of your other discussion? Because it's starting to seem a little overdone this time.

^ Because they're different premises entirely. I don't want that issue being confused, or distracted from, by this entirely separate issue with intentional equivocations. I don't mind addressing one after the other in the other thread. But not at the same time.

Deciding whether it's reasonable to interpret scans as proof of FTB or FTL speed, where it's not concretely shown whether the character waited until the precise moment or after the precise moment to initiate their move... is wholly separate from deciding whether it's more reasonable to interpret telepathic blasts as capable of travelling at light speed or beyond.

One concerns the reasonability of our interpretaton of speed feats in general. The other concerns the measurement of fictional comic science. I'd rather leave it to jinzin to either a) accept this separate debate, b) refuse to separate the two and bow out of both discussions entirely, or c) debate the second issue AFTER we've resolved the first.

Considering that telepathic attacks don't exist in real life, any speed assigned to said attacks in fiction is arbitrary. So unless such an attack is portrayed as consistently moving at lightspeed or above, then it is an unquantifiable feat.

^ This debate hasn't started. If you didn't bother to read the above posts, then read them. Assuming you bothered to read the posts above, then you should have noticed that I didn't invite debate from other posters. So kindly step out. Especially considering that measurements are made when there's on-panel proof and not arbitararily. Also, thanks for pointing out that telepathy doesn't exist in real life and we're dealing with fiction.

Sorry, geez

Originally posted by Digi
erm. two threads for a the same combatants battling? Why not just make it a subset of your other discussion? Because it's starting to seem a little overdone this time.

I agree.

Originally posted by cloud102
I agree. I don't.

So what?

So I don't.

Originally posted by Mindset
So I don't.

I agree, he doesn't.

Originally posted by Digi
erm. two threads for a the same combatants battling? Why not just make it a subset of your other discussion? Because it's starting to seem a little overdone this time. It is, I'm not doing this with him here and I told him that, close this damned thread.

though i do agree that the speed of thought is instantanious, wouldn't the speed of thought be dependent on the person doing thinking? for example prof x and superman.

lets say prof x is powerful enough to telepathically control superman. but since he operates at a speed of normal human beings, his thought is slower than superman's thoughts and before he can actually finish thinking of control superman, supes would have already finished thinking of punching prof x and would have already reacted to his thoughts of punching prof x and would have already punched prof x.

or lets say that wolverine and silver surfer were both traveling at the speed of light and are both about to run into a planet in a 10th of a second. i have no doubt that the surfer would be able to think fast enough to evade the planet. but would wolverine be able to? before wolverine would have finished thinking of thinking to turn left, right, up or down or evade, he'd have already collided with the planet.

just my two cents.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
though i do agree that the speed of thought is instantanious, wouldn't the speed of thought be dependent on the person doing thinking? for example prof x and superman.

lets say prof x is powerful enough to telepathically control superman. but since he operates at a speed of normal human beings, his thought is slower than superman's thoughts and before he can actually finish thinking of control superman, supes would have already finished thinking of punching prof x and would have already reacted to his thoughts of punching prof x and would have already punched prof x.

or lets say that wolverine and silver surfer were both traveling at the speed of light and are both about to run into a planet in a 10th of a second. i have no doubt that the surfer would be able to think fast enough to evade the planet. but would wolverine be able to? before wolverine would have finished thinking of thinking to turn left, right, up or down or evade, he'd have already collided with the planet.

just my two cents.

There's a difference between conception and processing. A human and Superman should both conceive an idea at the same speed, Supermans processing speed however is greater then the humans though.

As for the thread. Speed of thought is faster or as instant as it gets how else does one explain Lilandra and Xavier telepathicallycommunicating over millions of light years without any lag. Quantum physics?? Dimension hopping?

BTW That Bolt Rachel used looks like something similar to telepathic lightning which is a different application of telepathy. It's like hardened telepathy something similar to what Psylocke uses to throw psi-daggers and Emma's psychic lightning that blew up a building. I wouldn't say that particular attack is being generated at light-speed. Much like you can dodge Psylocke's knives you can dodge that blast. Quicksilver did the same thing Exodus's psi-blasts (Potrayed as pink globules) he then opted for a non-hardened radial attack which was potrayed differently artistically.

Trust her, she is the Marvel telepathy specialist around here.

Xavier and Lilandra's telepathic link seems a bit different in my opinion.

Originally posted by Bentley
Trust her, she is the Marvel telepathy specialist around here.

It's him...

And it's an attempt at justifying Rachel's piss poor performance against Thor.

psionics are instantaneous. i.e. faster than lightspeed. the mind however, might be slower.

There's nothing conclusive showing that Rachel's attack's speed is as fast as normal telepathy. The stance is unsupported and based on speculation, not to mention the level of speed OneDumbGo is trying to imply goes against Thor's entire history. An overhyped feat, but impressive nonetheless. Besides, didn't Magneto react to and deflect Karma's attack from close range so that she posessed another one of her teammates ? (an attack that as far as I recall is similar to this one, ExodusCloak can most likely clarify things)

I enjoyed the hell out of the Jinzin/OneDumbGo debate from the other threads though, and I found both sides made a very good case.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Xavier and Lilandra's telepathic link seems a bit different in my opinion.



It's him...

And it's an attempt at justifying Rachel's piss poor performance against Thor.

Oh, I got confused. You can ignore him then

Originally posted by jinzin
It is, I'm not doing this with him here and I told him that, close this damned thread. You told me you wanted me to engage in this debate. You didn't tell me you would refuse to do it in another thread.

Anyway, you heard him. He doesn't want to do it. Close.