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You must really hate team one guy

yep

You know be better than that

How would rate them 1-6

Originally posted by guy222
yep

You know be better than that

How would rate them 1-6

Exitar
Arishem
Ziran
Surtur w/twilight
DP Tyrant
Ymir

Celestials win

Originally posted by Utrigita
Exitar
Arishem
Ziran
Surtur w/twilight
DP Tyrant
Ymir

Sounds good eternal friend

Is Ziran here just for the lulz? lol



Exitar or Arishem solo.

He's helping out silly

Celestials win

Originally posted by guy222
He's helping out silly

Without going back to look, wasn't Ziran the one who had his arm cut off by the Odinsword?

No it was Nezarr that got his arm chopped off and afterwards withstood the disintegration beam without receiving any injuries.

Ziran was shown battling Thanos and acting as the Celestials representative in the Court against Adam Warlock when he had the Infinity Gauntlet.

Based on this I would say that he within the Celestial Race is in a high position. He is imo going by Authority up there with Toaa and Arishem.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Ziran was shown battling Thanos and acting as the Celestials representative in the Court against Adam Warlock when he had the Infinity Gauntlet.
That rings the bell now. Thanks for the refresher.

Utrigita knows his comics.

I wish I did

It's the Loebforce taking over.

Soon enough, you'll forget how to spell Li_ing T_ib_na_ and confuse The Fulcrum with Captain Falcon.

Like ur new sig darling

tighthug

Celestials win

Celestial stomp

Originally posted by Utrigita
Exitar
Arishem
Ziran
Surtur w/twilight
DP Tyrant
Ymir

I wonder, why isn't this htread closed yet?
Since it's obvious Celestials stomp opposition.

replace Ymir with Galactus and make Tyrant FP and they take it.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
replace Ymir with Galactus and make Tyrant FP and they take it. Even with that change Celestials still win.

Originally posted by kgkg
Even with that change Celestials still win. Nah

FP Tyrant and Galactus Vs. Arishem and Exitar would be more evenly matched.

Originally posted by Xplosive
FP Tyrant and Galactus Vs. Arishem and Exitar would be evenly matched. Why? Galactus does not have feats to say he is greater than Arishem and FP is weaker than Galactus

i dont even think team 1 can win against 1 celestial.


i dont think tyrant or galactus have ever been depicted as powerful as a celestial .

Originally posted by iceman24567
Nah You have Ymir - Skyfather level. FP Tyrant who lost to regular Galactus and Galactus who himself does not have feats to say he is equal to Celestials let alone the top ones.

Originally posted by kgkg
Why? Galactus does not have feats to say he is greater than Arishem and FP is weaker than Galactus

Except if we take Black Arc, what Galactus could have literally done.

You don't think it would evenly matched. I see no reason why could Arishem and Exitar handle FP Tyrant and Galactus just like that or handle them at all.

Originally posted by KillAll
i dont think tyrant or galactus have ever been depicted as powerful as a celestial .

Well, Galactus was said to be equal Eternity in power. Celestial were depicted as Eternity children. I always got a feeling that Marvel holds Galactus higher in raw power than Celestial.

Originally posted by kgkg
You have Ymir - Skyfather level. FP Tyrant who lost to regular Galactus and Galactus who himself does not have feats to say he is equal to Celestials let alone the top ones.

One of rare appearances where we saw Galactus looking good and in power was against FP Tyrant. And he was actually serious when faced him, no underestimating or blabbing around.

Originally posted by kgkg
You have Ymir - Skyfather level. FP Tyrant who lost to regular Galactus and Galactus who himself does not have feats to say he is equal to Celestials let alone the top ones.

First, Ymir is being replaced so it's actually Surtur that is left. Surtur with Twilight sword is higher then a skyfather first of all if your saying Ymir is skyfather level. Second, what are these celestial battle feats your speaking of that make you say they are above Galactus? These must be numerous for you to say without a doubt the Celestials would win. So, please name these feats that place celestials above Galactus with ease.

Originally posted by Xplosive


Well, Galactus was said to be equal Eternity in power. Celestial were depicted as Eternity children. I always got a feeling that Marvel holds Galactus higher in raw power than Celestial.



never have they stated galactus to be as powerful as eternity. or a celestial. i think you mean they stated galactus to be Important to the role of the universes survival (eternity also). but in raw power he is leaps and bounds below either or. and i think they have been pretty consistant in showing him to not be as powerful as a celestial either .

Celestials for the win

Originally posted by KillAll
never have they stated galactus to be as powerful as eternity. or a celestial.

And when was stated that Celestial is as powerful as Galactus?

Originally posted by KillAll
and i think they have been pretty consistant in showing him to not be as powerful as a celestial either .

And none of Celestial (excluding Scathan) feats come close as what was Galactus trying to do and shown capable off in Black Arc.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
First, Ymir is being replaced so it's actually Surtur that is left. Surtur with Twilight sword is higher then a skyfather first of all if your saying Ymir is skyfather level. Second, what are these celestial battle feats your speaking of that make you say they are above Galactus? These must be numerous for you to say without a doubt the Celestials would win. So, please name these feats that place celestials above Galactus with ease. I would love to know too

a celestial took thors godblast coupled with his belt of strength to ill effects while it completely drove galactus away from earth screaming in pain and agony.

not to mention that odin said the he repelled galactus (by himself) when he came to eat asgard.

while a single celestial stopped odin zues and vishnu by simply raising his hand .


and marvel wrote in one of thier letters that they have depicted the celestials on a higher level of power because.

Originally posted by KillAll
a celestial took thors godblast coupled with his belt of strength to ill effects while it completely drove galactus away from earth screaming in pain and agony.

An extremely weak Galactus.
And you forgot about Sue and Celestial and a hole.

Originally posted by KillAll
not to mention that odin said the he repelled galactus (by himself) when he came to eat asgard.

Again, very very weak Galactus.

Originally posted by KillAll
while a single celestial stopped odin zues and vishnu by simply raising his hand .

And Galactus was on a way to eat Omniverse. So...

Originally posted by KillAll
and marvel wrote in one of their letters that they have depicted the celestials on a higher level of power because.

Where? Where is this letter? Written to who?

Not to mention Juggs basically walked through a Godblast with no effect. So, your saying Juggs is greater then Big G? Big G has also never had his arm cut off or decapitated as celestials have. So, again BATTLE FEATS that place celestials above Galactus without question as some are implying? They should be numerous

Originally posted by KillAll
a celestial took thors godblast coupled with his belt of strength to ill effects while it completely drove galactus away from earth screaming in pain and agony.

not to mention that odin said the he repelled galactus (by himself) when he came to eat asgard.

while a single celestial stopped odin zues and vishnu by simply raising his hand .


and marvel wrote in one of thier letters that they have depicted the celestials on a higher level of power because. You can't be serious

well then, what places galactus above celestials??? where are these scans. i've posted the letter before, let me find it again.

616 galactus now.

you can also not say that galactus was WEAK when he came to asgard, because it isnt an on panel feat. just a statement from odin . stretching the truth perhaps?


also, it was stated that the celestials LET the destroyer pierce them to "study" the weapon in which they were fighting. same with sue richards. which makes that arguement comparable to "weak" galactus.... if you ask me.


galactus even if he starts the fight "fully powered" will revert back to his old "weak" state eventually. to which he will lose the fight.


Originally posted by iceman24567
You can't be serious

atleast say something RELEVANT... if you are so "serious" give evidence that says otherwise.

It is relevant your post was bull hence "you can't be serious". You use very low showings to try and make an argument.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
First, Ymir is being replaced so it's actually Surtur that is left. Surtur with Twilight sword is higher then a skyfather first of all if your saying Ymir is skyfather level. Same thing Skyfatherish level. Celestial are well beyond Skyfather level and these are Celestial that are more powerful than entire host of celestials

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi Second, what are these celestial battle feats your speaking of that make you say they are above Galactus?These must be numerous for you to say without a doubt the Celestials would win. So, please name these feats that place celestials above Galactus with ease. Well Cosmic Cube being compared to nothing compare to Celestial , Also Thor saying that Galactus might be more powerful than Odin and than Celestial are better. Also there was another comparation that Galactus might be celestial after his cycle in marvel ends. The 5th host Stoped the Goblin Force etc. Also Galactus being socked that Hotu was able to kill a Celestial. Again there is nothing feat wise that shows Galactus = Your average Celestial let alone these guys.


Also I never said that Celestials are easily above Galactus I said nothing Galactus has done says he is clealy above you average Celestial let alone guys who are more powerful than entire host Celestials.

In SW it was said Galactus being equal to Eternity. We may assume also power wise (actually we can assume Galactus is more powerful due to Black Celestial Arc) and Celestial are Eternity children.
Galactus proved to be an Omniversal threat. He showed that he can consume entire Omniverse. When has some Celestial come close to such level of power? No Celestial excluding Scathan hasn't shown close such level of power. Galactus smites Exitar and Arishem combined.

And then Thor is in doubt Galactus might be more powerful than Odin and you bring that up like it has some weight. Come on.

What is stopping Goblin Force compared to what Galactus was actually already doing? Yeah, not much.

We can actually assume that when Galactus was absorbing Omniverse that he would consume entire Celestial race during it and, of course, still wouldn't be enough for him.

Celestials wins this

For all the jobbing Eternity has done, he's recreated Earth. Good feat

Aforementioned numerous times, Galactus and Eternity....Marvel tends to job them out. That's sad

Originally posted by guy222
Celestials wins this

For all the jobbing Eternity has done, he's recreated Earth. Good feat

Aforementioned numerous times, Galactus and Eternity....Marvel tends to job them out. That's sad

The Celestials win the thread you made up with said Characters... However, IMO Galactus and FP Tyrant take Exitar and Arishem

Originally posted by kgkg
Even with that change Celestials still win.

Debatable...I disagree

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The Celestials win the thread you made up with said Characters... However, IMO Galactus and FP Tyrant take Exitar and Arishem

I made it indeed

Respect ur choice, mine is different

Originally posted by kgkg
Same thing Skyfatherish level. Celestial are well beyond Skyfather level and these are Celestial that are more powerful than entire host of celestials

Incorrect only Exitar have been stated to be above the Fourth host a comment made by Thor by the way.

Originally posted by kgkg
Well Cosmic Cube being compared to nothing compare to Celestial , Also Thor saying that Galactus might be more powerful than Odin and than Celestial are better. Also there was another comparation that Galactus might be celestial after his cycle in marvel ends. The 5th host Stoped the Goblin Force etc. Also Galactus being socked that Hotu was able to kill a Celestial. Again there is nothing feat wise that shows Galactus = Your average Celestial let alone these guys.

And Doom with all the knowledge in the Universe, stated that the Cosmic Cube in his possession that could make him master of the Universe according to Reed was but a fraction of the power he would attain when gaining Galactus. Also in Annihilation Galactus stated that he regarded Aegis and Tenebrous as more dangerous then Maker, Maker that had the power to crush the 616 reality. Now since we go by Character statements Mephisto stated that the Power of the Cosmic Containment Unit is above that of the Sentient Cosmic cube which Galactus is and Kubik himself have stated that he regards Galactus as a part of the beings in the Universe referred to as the Greater Powers which is in turn above him. The 5th Celestial Host stopped the Goblin Force under unknown circumstances after it had laid waste to the Celestial Race. Call it shocked I call it impressed. It works both ways kgkg not just one way, the Average Celestial doesn't have any battlefeats only a statement from Kubik to heighten it's power and beyond that the only impressive thing that a member of the fourth host have accomplished on his own (and I would hardly call a member of the Fourth Host a average celestial) was to regrow his arm and then afterwards take the disintegration beam without injury. Impressive but as impressive as the fact that Galactus within him contains enough energy while weak to blast both the Negative Zone and the 616 reality to pieces.

Originally posted by kgkg
Also I never said that Celestials are easily above Galactus I said nothing Galactus has done says he is clealy above you average Celestial let alone guys who are more powerful than entire host Celestials.

And Visa Versa.

Btw this is a subject that will never become dead until the day were either the Celestials ore Galactus clearly shows they are above the counterpart by defeating him/them in combat, imo.

Always good when we discuss Celestials and Galactus

Originally posted by Utrigita Incorrect only Exitar have been stated to be above the Fourth host a comment made by Thor by the way. I might have exerated them being more powerful than a host of Celestial but Arishiem has also seen as the most powerful by far. Some example below. I main point was that Exitar and Arishiem are very powerful celestials even among there own race.
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5100/79182742.th.jpghttp://img46.imageshack.us/img46/197/26650655.th.jpghttp://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5757/68973499.th.jpghttp://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6461/46488088.th.jpg


Originally posted by Utrigita And Doom with all the knowledge in the Universe, stated that the Cosmic Cube in his possession that could make him master of the Universe according to Reed was but a fraction of the power he would attain when gaining Galactus. Wasn't that in SW which is non canon anymore? I'm not doubting the power Galactus can gave. But his battle record and durabiitly have been lower than Celestial for the most part.

Originally posted by Utrigita Also in Annihilation Galactus stated that he regarded Aegis and Tenebrous as more dangerous then Maker, Maker that had the power to crush the 616 reality. Now since we go by Character statements Mephisto stated that the Power of the Cosmic Containment Unit is above that of the Sentient Cosmic cube which Galactus is and Kubik himself have stated that he regards Galactus as a part of the beings in the Universe referred to as the Greater Powers which is in turn above him. Maker was a weaker version of the beyonder. I'm not saying that Cosmic Cube are > Galactus which they are not is that Cosmic Cube said they were like nothing compare to Celestial.



Originally posted by Utrigita Btw this is a subject that will never become dead until the day were either the Celestials ore Galactus clearly shows they are above the counterpart by defeating him/them in combat, imo. I would agree with this. But imo Celestial have had much better consistent showing. While Galactus ability to increase his power might lead him to be more powerful I just don't see Normal Galactus being greater due to things like Durability , Hunger past feats etc.


Here a statement from Thor who has faced both Galactus and Celestial.
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/1225/galcv.th.jpg

Galactus fans will take Big G. Celestials fans like me take the Celestials

Anyhoo.....Celestials win win win

Originally posted by kgkg
I might have exerated them being more powerful than a host of Celestial but Arishiem has also seen as the most powerful by far. Some example below. I main point was that Exitar and Arishiem are very powerful celestials even among there own race.
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5100/79182742.th.jpghttp://img46.imageshack.us/img46/197/26650655.th.jpghttp://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5757/68973499.th.jpghttp://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6461/46488088.th.jpg

Sure they are but, a problem we faces when going into scans from the narrator is that we end up with three different Celestials, each of them said to be the most powerful one (Exitar, Arishem, Tiamut), another thing entirely is, that if these are the most powerful Celestials I'm wondered why it was Toaa and Ziran that fought Thanos with the Heart of the Universe.

Originally posted by kgkg
Wasn't that in SW which is non canon anymore? I'm not doubting the power Galactus can gave. But his battle record and durabiitly have been lower than Celestial for the most part.

No.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/FFWGCM1007.jpg

It's canon, I don't believe that it would be mentioned on Marvel.com if it wasn't. His battle Record have also been significantly larger then the Celestials, in entirely different circumstances. The Celestials main Enemy on earth was the Gods, but Galactus main enemy is the Fantastic Four, it could easily have been the other way around but it wasn't.

Originally posted by kgkg
Maker was a weaker version of the beyonder. I'm not saying that Cosmic Cube are > Galactus which they are not is that Cosmic Cube said they were like nothing compare to Celestial.

I'm well aware of that. I'm just pointing out the fact that a Cosmic Containment Unit which is according to mephisto far above a Sentient Cosmic Cube is but a fraction of the power Galactus possesses, and that Kubik have given Galactus the same status as he has given the Celestials.

Originally posted by kgkg
I would agree with this. But imo Celestial have had much better consistent showing. While Galactus ability to increase his power might lead him to be more powerful I just don't see Normal Galactus being greater due to things like Durability , Hunger past feats etc.

It is again a matter of perspective, I doesn't think that the average Celestial which pretty much only got Kubik's comment as assistance for it's power is enough to give it a certain win over average Galactus, that varies from being beaten by Earth Heroes to battling Agamotto in his own realm and then later in the Arc defeat the power of Five Cosmic Cubes. Also when Tiamut awoken, he was still weak and he himself stated that he could only take out the majority of earths solar system, Galactus while extremely weak destroyed Three (and a watcher I believe) in one quick swoop, an this is I believe the most recent show of power that can be compared directly between the two.

Originally posted by kgkg
Here a statement from Thor who has faced both Galactus and Celestial.
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/1225/galcv.th.jpg

Which basically points out what have been known all along, that Galactus was only capable of defeat by Thors hand because he was weakened (which he also was beforehand given the fact that he used technology to attack Ego). On another Note I find it quite funny that Thor regards Exitar as the most powerful Celestial when he is the one he has had the greatest success against.

Also I believe it was in the encounter with Ego but not sure Galactus was mentioned as the "Supremely destructive figure in the known universe"

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/FFv174.jpg

But as said before we have different opinions and I respect that you pick the celestial but I will contest it every time

I know u will

Celestials, with ease!

Originally posted by lordraiden
Celestials, with ease!

What he said.

Celestials

Exitar already slew 'The One'

Celestials>Watchers

Celestials>Tyrant>Surtur>/= Umir

Originally posted by Utrigita
Sure they are but, a problem we faces when going into scans from the narrator is that we end up with three different Celestials, each of them said to be the most powerful one (Exitar, Arishem, Tiamut),
It's not really a problem it's just that some of the Celestials are not known or invented yet. It's not like people will take the most powerful "Celestial" at face value. The main thing people should understand is that Exitar , Arishem , Tiamut are more powerful than your regular Celestials. Exitar , Arishem , Tiamut are indeed the most powerful Celestials it makes since they can evolve and can be stronger than the norm just like how other races are not equal in power.

The entire race was there when they battled HOTU. Your probably referring to when they battle the Thanos with IG well it's more like the writer put two random celestial if I recall they never even mention there names and only referred to them as "Celestial". I believe it was more of showing that Celestial are up there in the Cosmic tree rather than the strongest celestial came to battle the IG user. If i recall Ziran is part of the forth host who have been seen inferior to Arishem on panel.

As for the rest of the stuff you posted I don't feel like replying at the moment, maybe later.

Originally posted by kgkg
It's not really a problem it's just that some of the Celestials are not known or invented yet. It's not like people will take the most powerful "Celestial" at face value. The main thing people should understand is that Exitar , Arishem , Tiamut are more powerful than your regular Celestials. Exitar , Arishem , Tiamut are indeed the most powerful Celestials it makes since they can evolve and can be stronger than the norm just like how other races are not equal in power.

So you don't see it as strange that Three different Celestials each with entirely different on panel showings have each been refered to as the most powerful of the Celestials? The only one that have shown he can Evolve is Tiamut and that didn't happen without a bit of guidance from Uatu iirc.

Originally posted by kgkg
The entire race was there when they battled HOTU. Your probably referring to when they battle the Thanos with IG well it's more like the writer put two random celestial if I recall they never even mention there names and only referred to them as "Celestial". I believe it was more of showing that Celestial are up there in the Cosmic tree rather than the strongest celestial came to battle the IG user. If i recall Ziran is part of the forth host who have been seen inferior to Arishem on panel.

Yes I noticed when the edit time had run out, it is rather fortunate that we can use our eyes then
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4390/t1ae8.jpg
If that isn't Ziran and Toaa, I need some new names for the Celestials.
I don't recall the Fourth host as a entity have appeared weaker then Arishem.

Originally posted by kgkg
As for the rest of the stuff you posted I don't feel like replying at the moment, maybe later.

No need I already, more ore less, know a counterargument to each, this is hardly a new discussion but still a pleasure

Tiamut made the stars

He's the greatest Celestial

Celestials wins.

They would all lose to Rulk

Originally posted by BUSTER1
They would all lose to Rulk Nah.

Galactus humbled Rulk

Celestials do the same

The greatest thing about the Celestials are they are still a mystery

Originally posted by guy222
The greatest thing about the Celestials are they are still a mystery

A mystery indeed, sucks that cancelled that series

Marvel goofed

Hopefully, they show up again