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Scenario 1: Doom just whooped Black Panther and put his ass in a coma and now he wants him to suffer even more. Doom tracks down Storm at the X-Mansion and out came Rogue-Storm, pissed as hell. No killer intent on either's behalf. No prep for Doom, standard equipment

Scenario 2: Rogue-Storm fights him in Wakanda right after he beat BP's ass and she for argument's sake she did some big emp blast that canceled out his suit's technological offensive abilities so he is only stuck with magic. Killer intent is on.

Scenario 3: RS comes to Latveria with the intentions to kill Doom. Doom knew she would come for him sooner or later so he spent the prior week planning for her arrival and even managed to hire The Juggernaut as a bodyguard. Killer intent is on. Cain can be BFR'd.

No Doombots, no exploding lungs.

Doom in all 3

hell no, storm shitstomps his ass

1.Prolly team
2.Doom
3.Doom

Originally posted by Nihilist
1.Prolly team
2.Doom
3.Doom There is no team.

Nihilist: OP probably means this version of Storm when she and the X-Men fought a Doombot:Originally posted by stormultt
u obivously have no clue who rogue storm is ...pity..well heres a few scans of just a taste of what she can do:

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1. Probably Doom
2. Doom
3. Doom

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Nihilist: OP probably means this version of Storm when she and the X-Men fought a Doombot: k,thanks.

Depends on how powerful Doom's magic is. I think she may have a chance in scenario's 1 (unless he has his tech + magic, not sure about the stipulation and whether it's tech only) and 2 (contingent on how powerful his magic is).

Scenario 3, Doom would make her his sex slave.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Depends on how powerful Doom's magic is. I think she may have a chance in scenario's 1 (unless he has his tech + magic, not sure about the stipulation and whether it's tech only) and 2 (contingent on how powerful his magic is).

Scenario 3, Doom would make her his sex slave.

Its tech and magic on the 1st one.

she destroys both of them with less than a though

Originally posted by stormfront
she destroys both of them with less than a though

Exactly how does she destroy Cain?

Storm is DOOMED.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Exactly how does she destroy Cain?
Well, Storm's grandma 17 generations ago was the sorceress surpreme... so maybe... I have nothing.

obviously i was being funny since people think doom can face rouge storm..
as far as marko, i wasnt thinking about him.

Originally posted by stormfront
obviously i was being funny since people think doom can face rouge storm..
as far as marko, i wasnt thinking about him.

Oh my bad. I tried to make it as balanced as possible. Doom with prep can be very dangerous.

i have a crush on juggernaut XDD

i just know cain is imortal. i left him alone after that. but he cant do anything to her

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Oh my bad. I tried to make it as balanced as possible. Doom with prep can be very dangerous.

its cool man.. even with prep doom gets turned into a can of ass meat. she would most likely destroy his castle before charging in, actually rouge storm would destry his country. with no regards to others.

Originally posted by stormfront
i just know cain is imortal. i left him alone after that. but he cant do anything to her

The only thing that would work is Cain redirecting her lightning.

Originally posted by stormfront
its cool man.. even with prep doom gets turned into a can of ass meat. she would most likely destroy his castle before charging in, actually rouge storm would destry his country. with no regards to others.

In the third one he knows she is coming so I'm sure he would have Latveria's defenses at their best. SHe could do a lot of damage to it but Doom won't be slow to get there.

Doom stomps the third scenario. His castle is Camelot which is protected by magical barriers. And he's got somekind of Time Cube device that looks a lot like a Ghost Box. As standard equipment.

Originally posted by stormultt
i have a crush on juggernaut XDD
Haha, that was as unexpected as an elbow uppercut from Anderson Silva.

Originally posted by stormfront
its cool man.. even with prep doom gets turned into a can of ass meat. she would most likely destroy his castle before charging in, actually rouge storm would destry his country. with no regards to others.
Are you kidding me? If Doom knew she was coming like this this would quickly become a case of Ororo Monroe vs Juggernaut and Rogue-Doom

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
The only thing that would work is Cain redirecting her lightning.



In the third one he knows she is coming so I'm sure he would have Latveria's defenses at their best. SHe could do a lot of damage to it but Doom won't be slow to get there.

redirecting it wouldnt work, she is immune to it.

dooms preparations would make no difference, seeing that she wouldnt need to be in/on is country to destroy it.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
Are you kidding me? If Doom knew she was coming like this this would quickly become a case of Ororo Monroe vs Juggernaut and Rogue-Doom


no, im far from kidding... rouge storm isnt sensitive ororo. and rouge doom.. so now he has infinite power and is a god, with prep???

i think not.. and the more i look at the scenarios, the way storm feels about BP, doom wouldnt have long to prepare. all he would be able to do is dust his coffin and lay in it.

Originally posted by stormfront
redirecting it wouldnt work, she is immune to it.

dooms preparations would make no difference, seeing that she wouldnt need to be in/on is country to destroy it.

What happened here? I think what he does is absorb it and rechannels and sends it back as something else hence the change in color.

http://www.geocities.com/pic_housing2/Storm_KO1.txt

Also for this fight she has to go to Latveria and actually fight him. If she could do it outside of the country then that would be cheap.

Originally posted by stormfront
no, im far from kidding... rouge storm isnt sensitive ororo. and rouge doom.. so now he has infinite power and is a god, with prep???

i think not.. and the more i look at the scenarios, the way storm feels about BP, doom wouldnt have long to prepare. all he would be able to do is dust his coffin and lay in it.

Yeah tbh Doom is pretty beastly with prep. Learned how to shut off the X-Gene, stole Beyonder's powers, Surfers powers, built time machines, he is a beast in the magic department too.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
What happened here? I think what he does is absorb it and rechannels and sends it back as something else hence the change in color.

http://www.geocities.com/pic_housing2/Storm_KO1.txt

Also for this fight she has to go to Latveria and actually fight him. If she could do it outside of the country then that would be cheap.

she was too weak to resist.

she is comming for blood, not to look in his face. but if you insist, i beleive she wouldfull on destrution still.. and if there is defense to a goddess' wrath then what was the poin in this fight.

Originally posted by stormfront
no, im far from kidding... rouge storm isnt sensitive ororo. and rouge doom.. so now he has infinite power and is a god, with prep???
He will after he steals her powers. Like what was already mentioned, Doom managed to steal the powers of Surfer, Galactus, and part of pre-retcon Beyonder. Maybe those names don't mean much to you but they're pretty big deals. They have many leather-bound books and their apartments smell of rich mahogany.

Galactus and Beyonder at that time could probably destroy our galaxy with a thought and Surfer could at least blow our planet up or get it sucked into a black hole without breaking a sweat.


The way Doom is written, giving him any prep is just asking to give Doom a win. I know it sounds like I'm trying to buff him up but that's how he is.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
Galactus and Beyonder at that time could probably destroy our galaxy with a thought and Surfer could at least blow our planet up or get it sucked into a black hole without breaking a sweat
Beyonder actually did destroy an entire galaxy with a thought at the very beginning of Secret Wars. And then created a planet, Battleworld, for the heroes and villains to fight on.

Originally posted by stormfront
and if there is defense to a goddess' wrath then what was the poin in this fight.

I'm having a hard time telling what you mean here? Are you saying that RS should only be in fights that she either stomps or none at all?

Doom can defend against her with prep. I seriously hope you don't think I made this to spite her.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
He will after he steals her powers. Like what was already mentioned, Doom managed to steal the powers of Surfer, Galactus, and part of pre-retcon Beyonder. Maybe those names don't mean much to you but they're pretty big deals. They have many leather-bound books and their apartments smell of rich mahogany.

Galactus and Beyonder at that time could probably destroy our galaxy with a thought and Surfer could at least blow our planet up or get it sucked into a black hole without breaking a sweat.


The way Doom is written, giving him any prep is just asking to give Doom a win. I know it sounds like I'm trying to buff him up but that's how he is.

dont try me dude. those names you mentioned have nothing to do with this fight. and yes i know who they are... maybe your the one that needs to evaluate them..

last thing before i stop posting in this thread.. what is the point of this fight if she is made/set up to lose?

Originally posted by stormfront
dont try me dude. those names you mentioned have nothing to do with this fight. and yes i know who they are... maybe your the one that needs to evaluate them..
You're joking, right? How do you evaluate a character without bringing up their interactions with other characters? If you don't mention Doom's accomplishments over more powerful characters he's just a smart guy in a mechanical suit. That's really not painting a very accurate picture of him at all.


Personally, I think it may be close, favoring Doom, for the first match and close, favoring Rogue-Storm, for the second one.

Originally posted by stormfront
dont try me dude. those names you mentioned have nothing to do with this fight. and yes i know who they are... maybe your the one that needs to evaluate them..

last thing before i stop posting in this thread.. what is the point of this fight if she is made/set up to lose?

How is she set up to lose when one scenario has Doom disadvantaged towards her and the first one has them under neutral settings? The third one only gives Doom an advantage.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Scenario 1: Doom just whooped Black Panther and put his ass in a coma and now he wants him to suffer even more. Doom tracks down Storm at the X-Mansion and out came Rogue-Storm, pissed as hell. No killer intent on either's behalf. No prep for Doom, standard equipment

I.E. This is a neutral setting no prep for Doom and he gets standard equipment.



I.E. She is on home turf and Doom is only left with magic to defend himself.



I.E. She is on his turf and he gets time to plan and a bodyguard who is able to be BFR'd.

No Doombots, no exploding lungs.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
How is she set up to lose when one scenario has Doom disadvantaged towards her and the first one has them under neutral settings? The third one only gives Doom an advantage.



3rd. senario- she was made/set up to lose. he has immortal juggernaut, has magic barriers aroung his territor, has guns pointed at her to take her power, he has everything set to take her down.

it may not have been your intent but it would have been best to set this up differently.

1 i beleive she wins. not sure with number two.. what can magic do to a goddess???

Originally posted by stormfront
3rd. senario- she was made/set up to lose. he has immortal juggernaut, has magic barriers aroung his territor, has guns pointed at her to take her power, he has everything set to take her down.

it may not have been your intent but it would have been best to set this up differently.

1 i beleive she wins. not sure with number two.. what can magic do to a goddess???

Did you not notice the scenario above it where Doom is disadvantaged? Is it impossible to uproot the ground which Cain stands on and chuck it out of Latverian territory?

I made three scenarios, one neutral and the others where one had the advantage.

If needed I and a few others can pull up some of his magical feats. The fact that current Strange fears a battle of magic against him should say quite a bit already.

Compliments of OneDumbGo

Dunno if its just me, but none of OneDumb's links work for me up above.

All broken.

I actually thought it was weird you included Juggernaut because I didn't think he would contribute a whole lot to the fight.

Edit

Originally posted by Enyalus
Dunno if its just me, but none of OneDumb's links work for me up above.

Leave it to OneDumb to make me own myself. Don't know why they stopped working.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Leave it to OneDumb to make me own myself. Don't know why they stopped working.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
OneDumbG0 = phail. disgust

^ They work. durhulk

I reposted the collection at the bottom of the last page. Somehow you copied it wrong.

EDIT: Ah screw it. Reposted:Originally posted by OneDumbG0
X. SORCERY

Some folks underestimate Doom's skills with magic. Some folks overestimate them. Hopefully these next set of scans will allow you to form your own opinion. But make no mistake, from the very beginning, magic has been an integral part of Doom's character. In Dr. Doom's very first appearance in Fantastic Four #5, Reed describes Doom, and refers to his sorcery above all else:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery015.jpg

Their very first adventure together also involved magical baubles, from Fantastic Four #5:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery025.jpg

Every summer, Doom summons Mephisto to battle for his mother's soul, as first recounted in Astonishing Tales #8
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery03AstonishingTales8.jpg

Doom's dormant magical power was coveted by the Dark Rider, in Marvel Team-Up #43:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery04MTU43.jpg

Doom's studies extend far and wide. Here, he learns everything that Cagliostro knows in Iron Man #149:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery05IronMan149.jpg

Doom demonstrates the ability to see magic at work in Iron Man #150:
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Doom uses black magic to summon the greatest power in the universe in Fantastic Four #288:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery08288.jpg

Doom again senses powerful mystical forces in Iron Man #249:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery09IronMan249.jpg

Doom opens portals into Limbo and wields Illyana's Soulsword in Excalibur #37:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery10Excalibur37.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery11Excalibur37.jpg

In this age's contest for the title of Sorcerer Supreme, the Aged Genghis' call is heard only by those most learned in the mystic arts in Dr. Strange/Dr. Doom: Triumph and Torment:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery12TriumphTorment1.jpg

Doom analyzes and learns mystic combat during the contest for the Sorcerer Supreme title in Dr. Strange/Dr. Doom: Triumph and Torment and immediately begins to make use of it. Doom is the second to last man standing:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery13TriumphTorment1.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery14TriumphTorment1.jpg
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Dr. Strange tutors Dr. Doom for weeks in the ways of the mystic arts in preparation for their assault on Mephisto:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery16TriumphTorment1.jpg

Even in his off-time, Doom is ever trying to increase his mystic knowledge, stealing an ancient book from another dimension, as recounted in Iron Man: Legacy of Doom #2:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery17LegacyofDoom2.jpg

Doom demonstrates his magical superiority over Kun Lun's own Sorcerer Supreme, Master Khan, in Namor #31:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery18Namor31.jpg

Doom strips and combines Ceranda's magic with his own in Thor Annual 1999 #1. Ceranda's magic was so powerful, it cursed Mjolnir against Thor in subsequent issues:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery19ThorAnnual19991.jpg

Doom can access the Dreamtime with his sorcery, from Fantastic Four vol. 2 #30:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery2030.jpg

Doom's library is vast and considered to be one of the largest in the world, from Fantastic Four vol. 2 #30:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery2130.jpg

Just how vast? Here's a spread-page shot of Doom's personal library in Fantastic Four vol. 2 #70:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery2270.jpg

Doom's magic works even better on entities such as vampires, from Blade #2:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery22Blade2.jpg

Doom learns sorcery from Morgan le Fay, in Mighty Avengers #9:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery23MightyAvengers9.jpg

Here, Doom learns how to summon the Mindless Ones from Morgen le Fay in Mighty Avengers #11:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery24MightyAvengers11.jpg

I see, all the links had ellipses in them from the forum shortening the urls.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ They work. durhulk

I reposted the collection at the bottom of the last page. Somehow you copied it wrong.

EDIT: Ah screw it. Reposted:

Alright well since you're here can you help us out here with this debate. INYO can Doom's magic affect Storm in this form?

Can someone please tell me what is up with Blade's head in this one?

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery22Blade2.jpg

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Alright well since you're here can you help us out here with this debate. INYO can Doom's magic affect Storm in this form? I don't see why not. Storm didn't appear to exhibit any sort of enhanced magic resistance in that form.

Doom shall be the victor.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Did you not notice the scenario above it where Doom is disadvantaged? Is it impossible to uproot the ground which Cain stands on and chuck it out of Latverian territory?

I made three scenarios, one neutral and the others where one had the advantage.

If needed I and a few others can pull up some of his magical feats. The fact that current Strange fears a battle of magic against him should say quite a bit already.

she can uproot the ground around cain.... is he hold doom and making sure he doesnt go anywhere??

one was neutral. the next two had them both at oposites disadvantage...

storms advantage- "She is on home turf and Doom is only left with magic to defend himself"
doom is rival to strange in magic right? then he can do extrodinary things. her home turf is good as gone.

dooms advantage- "She is on his turf and he gets time to plan and a bodyguard who is able to be BFR'd, no exploding lungs." he has immortal juggernaut, has magic barriers aroung his territor, has guns pointed at her to take her power, he has everything set to take her down.

now you look at that and tell me that aint funny??

Originally posted by stormfront
she can uproot the ground around cain.... is he hold doom and making sure he doesnt go anywhere??

one was neutral. the next two had them both at oposites disadvantage...

storms advantage- "She is on home turf and Doom is only left with magic to defend himself"
doom is rival to strange in magic right? then he can do extrodinary things. her home turf is good as gone.

dooms advantage- "She is on his turf and he gets time to plan and a bodyguard who is able to be BFR'd, no exploding lungs." he has immortal juggernaut, has magic barriers aroung his territor, has guns pointed at her to take her power, he has everything set to take her down.

now you look at that and tell me that aint funny??

Cain's immortality isn't what keeps him in fights or anything. Are you telling me Storm can't short out every gun pointed at her? There is no magical barrier around Latveria here.

You just questioned if he could even hurt her with magic, now you're saying that he is at an advantage? Current Strange is in no way comparable to Classic Strange. Do you think it would be more balanced if he was only able to use his technological attacks and stuff?

Don't understand this one here.



You'd think that Storm being insanely powerful as she is in this state would be able to contend with Doom. May I respectfully ask if you read anything with Doom in it?

In the first fight he has both magic and his technology. I wonder why the second fight is such an issue.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
In the first fight he has both magic and his technology. I wonder why the second fight is such an issue.

So is he saying that Doom is above Rogue-Storm?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
So is he saying that Doom is above Rogue-Storm?
That's what it looks like to me.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Cain's immortality isn't what keeps him in fights or anything. Are you telling me Storm can't short out every gun pointed at her? There is no magical barrier around Latveria here.

You just questioned if he could even hurt her with magic, now you're saying that he is at an advantage? Current Strange is in no way comparable to Classic Strange. Do you think it would be more balanced if he was only able to use his technological attacks and stuff?

Don't understand this one here.



You'd think that Storm being insanely powerful as she is in this state would be able to contend with Doom. May I respectfully ask if you read anything with Doom in it?


im saying with his prep time given, he would place magic on all his traps.. and that isnt a thought of mine. the people that vote for doom thought of the magic barrier thing. i ask can magic harm a goddess? i got answers along the lines of galactus and silver surfer.

Originally posted by stormfront
im saying with his prep time given, he would place magic on all his traps.. and that isnt a thought of mine. the people that vote for doom thought of the magic barrier thing. i ask can magic harm a goddess? i got answers along the lines of galactus and silver surfer.

He doesn't have prep in the 2nd match. His magic has affected Mephisto and he has owned demons in Hell, and he has been able to beat Surfer outside of stealing his powers. If the magic barrier is supposed to keep her out then it can't be used her. She can't be BFR'd nor Doom.

if thats te case storm destroys despite magic.. and i never said he was stronger than rouge storm

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
He doesn't have prep in the 2nd match. His magic has affected Mephisto and he has owned demons in Hell, and he has been able to beat Surfer outside of stealing his powers. If the magic barrier is supposed to keep her out then it can't be used her. She can't be BFR'd nor Doom.

with his week of prep, i think him with his smarts would know what to protect with magic.


but i think my question is whick is more powerful? a goddess or a sorrcer

Originally posted by stormfront
but i think my question is whick is more powerful? a goddess or a sorrcer
Lady Sif's a goddess. Does she equal Storm in power?

No.


Titles are meaningless.

Originally posted by stormfront
with his week of prep, i think him with his smarts would know what to protect with magic.


but i think my question is whick is more powerful? a goddess or a sorrcer

Well how is she disadvantaged in the 2nd one but not the first one?

as Eny said Titles are meaningless. Storm hasn't owned the likes of Mephisto nor Surfer, or Thor. Doom's sorcery is no pushover. Classic Strange is a sorcerer and Hermod is a God. Is he stronger than Strange?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Lady Sif's a goddess. Does she equal Storm in power?

No.


Titles are meaningless.

this isnt just a title in rouge storms case

Originally posted by stormfront
this isnt just a title in rouge storms case yes it is. magic can effect gods, Loki effects gods with magic all the time

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Well how is she disadvantaged in the 2nd one but not the first one?

as Eny said Titles are meaningless. Storm hasn't owned the likes of Mephisto nor Surfer, or Thor. Doom's sorcery is no pushover. Classic Strange is a sorcerer and Hermod is a God. Is he stronger than Strange?


this i exactly why iam dont with responding in this topic..

look.
2nd senario- doom has magic. his magic rivals sorccer supreme strange. he home land with no prep is dead. storms best chance is at defending herself. and personally i think she wins.

3rd senario- she is made/set up to lose.

storm being a goddess. she called herself a goddess. but that isnt what im using it for. im saying goddess because that is the best way i could describe her powers at the moment. i cant think correctly because im doing other things and trying not to get too far behind in replying to you guys.

Originally posted by jalek moye
yes it is. magic can effect gods, Loki effects gods with magic all the time i was too busy to type out a description before, but when i said goddess i meant. to describe it as her power. not her.

Originally posted by stormfront
i was too busy to type out a description before, but when i said goddess i meant. to describe it as her power. not her.
Loki's magic has effect both Thor and Bor

unless you think that Thor is less of a god then her?

Plus Storm is still a mutant more than a goddess, she still has an X-Gene. Something He learned how to manipulate. She is not immortal, nor does she have a long lifespan.

Originally posted by stormfront
this i exactly why iam dont with responding in this topic..

look.
2nd senario- doom has magic. his magic rivals sorccer supreme strange. he home land with no prep is dead. storms best chance is at defending herself. and personally i think she wins.

3rd senario- she is made/set up to lose.

storm being a goddess. she called herself a goddess. but that isnt what im using it for. im saying goddess because that is the best way i could describe her powers at the moment. i cant think correctly because im doing other things and trying not to get too far behind in replying to you guys.

He has magic in the first fight so how is it that one fair? SS Strange never said he was afraid to fight Doom. Calling yourself a Goddess doesn't make you a Goddess. Exactly what are Goddess powers?

Originally posted by stormfront
this isnt just a title in rouge storms case

How is it not? I mean Thor could come in and say no to any weather effects she tries to use. His powers are of a God and his powers trump hers.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Loki's magic has effect both Thor and Bor

unless you think that Thor is less of a god then her?

what are you talking about. i never said anything about thor, loki and bor. and i never said anything about her being more than them. you should read my post. i ignore the entrance of other characters. so please dont bring them to me.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
He has magic in the first fight so how is it that one fair? SS Strange never said he was afraid to fight Doom. Calling yourself a Goddess doesn't make you a Goddess. Exactly what are Goddess powers?


i never said anything about strange being afraid of doom. i said what i ment but goddess. for get about what she said. even though that term when she said it then could have ment multiple things. it hasnt been explained. her powers became infinite and she was more powerful than before. becoming more powerful as time passed. and that was made known when the storm outside was described as getting more desrtuctive.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
How is it not? I mean Thor could come in and say no to any weather effects she tries to use. His powers are of a God and his powers trump hers.


leave thor out of this. why are you putting him in this???

Originally posted by stormfront
her powers became infinite Que?

Originally posted by Mindset
Que?

read the story.. she say it

Originally posted by stormfront
what are you talking about. i never said anything about thor, loki and bor. and i never said anything about her being more than them. you should read my post. i ignore the entrance of other characters. so please dont bring them to me.
you said that magic can't effetc a goddes, but Loki used magic on Thor and Bor who are both gods

so yes magic does effect gods and goddess'

Originally posted by stormfront
what are you talking about. i never said anything about thor, loki and bor. and i never said anything about her being more than them. you should read my post. i ignore the entrance of other characters. so please dont bring them to me.

You asked if magic could affect a Goddess so we gave examples of Gods who are higher than her that has been affected.

Originally posted by stormfront
i never said anything about strange being afraid of doom. i said what i ment but goddess. for get about what she said. even though that term when she said it then could have ment multiple things. it hasnt been explained. her powers became infinite and she was more powerful than before. becoming more powerful as time passed. and that was made known when the storm outside was described as getting more desrtuctive.

You said he was a match for SS Strange. You still haven't said how the first fight is neutral.

Originally posted by stormfront
leave thor out of this. why are you putting him in this???

Once again they are Gods and magic can affect them. Her powers can't be infinite if someone can easily cut them off.

Originally posted by stormfront
read the story.. she say it Saying something does not make it true.

Originally posted by Mindset
Saying something does not make it true.
True, if that was the case then no one would be a match for Doom.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
True, if that was the case then no one would be a match for Doom. Well, that is true.

Doom's word is law.

Originally posted by Mindset
Well, that is true.

Doom's word is law.

Me and Jalek were actually thinking about writing to Marvel and having them add his main power to his bio. That main power being the ability to get shit done.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Me and Jalek were actually thinking about writing to Marvel and having them add his main power to his bio. That main power being the ability to get shit done.
Or "Do work." For short.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Or "Do work." For short.

That too lol.

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/odelldragonheart/dowork400.jpg

Originally posted by jalek moye
you said that magic can't effetc a goddes, but Loki used magic on Thor and Bor who are both gods

so yes magic does effect gods and goddess'


nahh i said can magic harm a goddess?
but my true question was meant to be which is stronger? godlike powers or magic?

Originally posted by Mindset
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/odelldragonheart/dowork400.jpg

^ Wurd.

Originally posted by stormfront
nahh i said can magic harm a goddess?
but my true question was meant to be which is stronger? godlike powers or magic?

Depends on the godlike powers and what type of magic. Can Doom trump godlike powers? Yes he can imo. Him and Strange did a nice number on Mephisto. Check out his feats. The guy is able to steal the powers from Galactus the all knowing. Doom's magic is no pushover. Godlike powers are not God powers and even so Doom's magic has affected Gods with God powers.

Originally posted by stormfront
nahh i said can magic harm a goddess?
but my true question was meant to be which is stronger? godlike powers or magic?
it depends on who each is. and you can have Godlike magic

Like I said Loki uses magic and hurts Thor and other gods

Thor is more powerful then storm and higher magic resitance, so magic can hurt her

Originally posted by stormfront

but my true question was meant to be which is stronger? godlike powers or magic? Let's debate with feats and not adjectives.

What's an adjective?

yo fat mama

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You said he was a match for SS Strange. You still haven't said how the first fight is neutral.



Once again they are Gods and magic can affect them. Her powers can't be infinite if someone can easily cut them off.


no i didnt say he was a match. dont put words in my mouth. i never said the first fight was neutral, i just said storm wins.

they are gods blah blah blah. a being with limitless power have to acheive a certain goal.. storm in this case begain transending her being. narration says at the begining of it all that she was evolved by that near infinit power. it wasnt until later she said unlimited. storm being broken from that state of near infinite or infinite power was no more unlimited power. the storm that was created was just a chaotic storm in its beginning phases. much like its creator.

for you to say: "Her powers can't be infinite if someone can easily cut them off"

is saying that they can turn her off. because she is her power.

Originally posted by Mindset
Saying something does not make it true.

i know, same to you.

Storm has never had unlimited power, ever.

Originally posted by stormfront
i know, same to you. Great retort.

Originally posted by stormfront
she can uproot the ground around cain.... is he hold doom and making sure he doesnt go anywhere??

one was neutral. the next two had them both at oposites disadvantage...

storms advantage- "She is on home turf and Doom is only left with magic to defend himself"
doom is rival to strange in magic right? then he can do extrodinary things. her home turf is good as gone.

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Here you say scenario one is neutral and two isn't despite the fact that doom loses an ability he had from scenario

They can turn her powers off. Doom can turn off the X-Gene and Thor can cancel out her powers.

Originally posted by stormfront
no i didnt say he was a match. dont put words in my mouth. i never said the first fight was neutral, i just said storm wins.

they are gods blah blah blah. a being with limitless power have to acheive a certain goal.. storm in this case begain transending her being. narration says at the begining of it all that she was evolved by that near infinit power. it wasnt until later she said unlimited. storm being broken from that state of near infinite or infinite power was no more unlimited power. the storm that was created was just a chaotic storm in its beginning phases. much like its creator.

for you to say: "Her powers can't be infinite if someone can easily cut them off"

is saying that they can turn her off. because she is her power.

Magic still would effect her unless she somehow gained a resistance to it

Originally posted by stormfront
this i exactly why iam dont with responding in this topic..

look.
2nd senario- doom has magic. his magic rivals sorccer supreme strange. he home land with no prep is dead. storms best chance is at defending herself. and personally i think she wins.
.

Here you say Doom's magic rivals SS Strange. How can his magic rival Strange and he not be a match for him?

Originally posted by stormfront
no i didnt say he was a match. dont put words in my mouth. i never said the first fight was neutral, i just said storm wins.

they are gods blah blah blah. a being with limitless power have to acheive a certain goal.. storm in this case begain transending her being. narration says at the begining of it all that she was evolved by that near infinit power. it wasnt until later she said unlimited. storm being broken from that state of near infinite or infinite power was no more unlimited power. the storm that was created was just a chaotic storm in its beginning phases. much like its creator.

for you to say: "Her powers can't be infinite if someone can easily cut them off"

is saying that they can turn her off. because she is her power.

By your own definition, Cain would be a God and he isn't. Are you saying that no one can cut off her powers or anything like it is impossible for anyone to touch them or take them away from her?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Depends on the godlike powers and what type of magic. Can Doom trump godlike powers? Yes he can imo. Him and Strange did a nice number on Mephisto. Check out his feats. The guy is able to steal the powers from Galactus the all knowing. Doom's magic is no pushover. Godlike powers are not God powers and even so Doom's magic has affected Gods with God powers.

and thus what you have said, make what i though clear. storm is suppose to lose.

Originally posted by stormfront
and thus what you have said, make what i though clear. storm is suppose to lose.

No I only stated that he has hurt people above her, defeating them are entirely different. Those people are above The F4 but they still manage to defeat him sometimes right?

Originally posted by Mindset
Storm has never had unlimited power, ever.


thats what you say. but the page says different.

and that retort you spoke of.. means to go read it yourself and stop crying about it

Originally posted by stormfront
thats what you say. but the page says different.

and that retort you spoke of.. means to go read it yourself and stop crying about it Yes, because I'm obviously crying...don't be an idiot.

Storm said it, according to you, big deal, she does not have any showings to back that statement up.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Here you say scenario one is neutral and two isn't despite the fact that doom loses an ability he had from scenario

They can turn her powers off. Doom can turn off the X-Gene and Thor can cancel out her powers.


i said one was neutral and the next two are at a disavantage. i never described which ones i placed in orders. and by you asking me to place them in order is saying you think im stupid.

sop mentioning thor

Originally posted by stormfront
thats what you say. but the page says different.

and that retort you spoke of.. means to go read it yourself and stop crying about it

You said she said infinite/unlimited, but the narrator said near infinite. The narrator's words usually trump the character's words.

Originally posted by stormfront
i said one was neutral and the next two are at a disavantage. i never described which ones i placed in orders. and by you asking me to place them in order is saying you think im stupid.

sop mentioning Thor you said no one could turn off her Powers he's saying that's not true because Thor can. Showing that it is possible

Originally posted by stormfront
this i exactly why iam dont with responding in this topic..

look.
2nd senario- doom has magic. his magic rivals sorccer supreme strange. he home land with no prep is dead. storms best chance is at defending herself. and personally i think she wins.

3rd senario- she is made/set up to lose.

storm being a goddess. she called herself a goddess. but that isnt what im using it for. im saying goddess because that is the best way i could describe her powers at the moment. i cant think correctly because im doing other things and trying not to get too far behind in replying to you guys.

Here you clearly state that scenario one and two is a disadvantage. If scenario 1 was a disadvantage then why haven't you spoke at all about it being a disadvantage?

Also now who is putting words in someone's mouth? I never said you were stupid. You clearly think scenario 1 is neutral, while the other two aren't.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yes, because I'm obviously crying...don't be an idiot.

Storm said it, according to you, big deal, she does not have any showings to back that statement up.

yes, now go read what you wanted to know.

i beleive the constant powerful storm brewing outside the castle explained that.

narration said near infininte. storm like the storm she created was getting more powerful. just like dark phoenix. DP had near infinite power and was on a steady climb for more.

except storm denied it.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You said she said infinite/unlimited, but the narrator said near infinite. The narrator's words usually trump the character's words.

narrator said near infinite

Originally posted by stormfront
narrator said near infinite

I know the narrator said that and the narrator is usually right over the character's words.

Originally posted by jalek moye
you said no one could turn off her Powers he's saying that's not true because Thor can. Showing that it is possible

so your saying thor can stop her powers.. she wouldnt be able to use her powers. when she trys to fly she wont be able to???

Originally posted by stormfront
so your saying thor can stop her powers.. she wouldnt be able to use her powers. when she trys to fly she wont be able to???

She flies with wind, Thor controls all weather on Earth so yeah. Do you want me to name people who can seal off her powers?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Here you clearly state that scenario one and two is a disadvantage. If scenario 1 was a disadvantage then why haven't you spoke at all about it being a disadvantage?

im done with this scenario stuff, because you know just aswell as anyone who looks at your line up, which scenarios are which.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
She flies with wind, Thor controls all weather on Earth so yeah. Do you want me to name people who can seal off her powers?


is that right??? thats interesting.. can i have profe of him sealing off her powers from her?

oh and to clear things up a bit.

the narrator said near infinite.. that means storm could go ont to be more powerful that that

Originally posted by stormfront
im done with this scenario stuff, because you know just aswell as anyone who looks at your line up, which scenarios are which.

No, please quit putting words in people's mouth and saying we all know whats what. I've been serious and nonoffensive nor sarcastic to you or anyone here. Tell me which ones are which? You clearly stated that she could only defend herself in scenario 2 and that Wakanda stood no chance. THe third one you claim she is set up to lose so therefore scenario 1 where they fight at the X-Mansion is the neutral one where Doom is free from restriciton.

Originally posted by stormfront
is that right??? thats interesting.. can i have profe of him sealing off her powers from her?

Thor is weather, The God of Weather, Thunder and stuff. His powers aren't Godlike, they are God powers. Would you like me to name others who can take away her powers? If she wanted it to make it rain in Iowa, Thor could say no and make it rain in Detroit, he's not sealing it off, just canceling it out. Others can seal it off.

Originally posted by stormfront
is that right??? thats interesting.. can i have profe of him sealing off her powers from her?
The sheer fact that he has a higher control of earths weather then her. He has been effecting the weather of the entire planet for at least hundreds of thousands of years.

He can make every region have different weather at the exact same time

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
No, please quit putting words in people's mouth and saying we all know whats what. I've been serious and nonoffensive nor sarcastic to you or anyone here. Tell me which ones are which? You clearly stated that she could only defend herself in scenario 2 and that Wakanda stood no chance. THe third one you claim she is set up to lose so therefore scenario 1 where they fight at the X-Mansion is the neutral one where Doom is free from restriciton.

no dont try that dude.. you made this thread so you know what its scenarios are.. why are you asking me which scenario is which?

Originally posted by stormfront
no dont try that dude.. you made this thread so you know what its scenarios are.. why are you asking me which scenario is which?

I want to know what you believe seriously. Please stop avoiding my question. I have been nothing but civil with you. I'll give you my opinion.

Scenario 1 is neutral

Scenario 2 is Doom at a disadvantage

Scenario 3 Storm is at a disadvantage

Please tell me what you think because we obviously have a misunderstanding here.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I want to know what you believe seriously. Please stop avoiding my question. I have been nothing but civil with you. I'll give you my opinion.

Scenario 1 is neutral

Scenario 2 is Doom at a disadvantage

Scenario 3 Storm is at a disadvantage

Please tell me what you think because we obviously have a misunderstanding here.


dude dont try that. im so serious. you have been on and off civil. and so have i. dont try to play innocent.. out of all the people in these forums i actually enjoy your aguement. you arent insulting at all..

back on topic. i have answered you question multiple times giving my opinion.

like i said. you intent was to make it equal, but from what i see. doom has a better advantage than her. and from his magic against her near infinite power is his advantage aswell

Originally posted by stormfront
dude dont try that. im so serious. you have been on and off civil. and so have i. dont try to play innocent.. out of all the people in these forums i actually enjoy your aguement. you arent insulting at all..

back on topic. i have answered you question multiple times giving my opinion.

like i said. you intent was to make it equal, but from what i see. doom has a better advantage than her. and from his magic against her near infinite power is his advantage aswell

Don't do what? What am I doing, or trying to do. I honestly don't know. I've been civil this whole time, not once did I insult anyone nor any character. How am I trying to play innocent. If you want then pm what you're trying to say because I honestly don't have a clue what you mean here.

I only believe that Doom's magic gives him the means put up a good fight, not a means to utterly stomp her.

im through here. obviously her near infinite powers cant defeat doom 2/3. just 1/3

Originally posted by stormfront
im through here. obviously her near infinite powers cant defeat doom 2/3. just 1/3

Seriously are you trying to be vague on purpose? Which scenario do you think she wins?

I don't think he knew much about comics. Even for as non-offensive as that really is to begin with, I didn't mean that as an insult.

I don't know, he kept telling me not to try anything and constantly contradicted himself. It was a bit weird, but I honestly had no idea what he meant when he told me not to do it.

Didn't Rogue-Storm handle Doom, when she faced him. So RS could win in first two scenarios. In 3rd case she has no chance as Cain slaps her.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Didn't Rogue-Storm handle Doom, when she faced him. So RS could win in first two scenarios. In 3rd case she has no chance as Cain slaps her.

It was a Doombot and that was before Doom who he is now. I believe he stands a much better chance now than he would have before.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I don't know, he kept telling me not to try anything and constantly contradicted himself. It was a bit weird, but I honestly had no idea what he meant when he told me not to do it.
Yeah, it's strange how he dances around everything, and always thinks people are trying something sneaky it seems.

Technically aren't we being sneaky now?

I wouldn't think so. He, or anyone else, can read all this later.

Ah, I was trying to remember what this reminded me of - Gayle from the movie Rolemodels and how she repeatedly warned the main characters about BSing her even though they never once tried to cheat her system.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
I wouldn't think so. He, or anyone else, can read all this later.

Ah, I was trying to remember what this reminded me of - Gayle from the movie Rolemodels and how she repeatedly warned the main characters about BSing her even though they never once tried to cheat her system.

"You know what you can't BS a BSer, you two may as well refer to me as BS proof"

Or something along those lines.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
It was a Doombot and that was before Doom who he is now. I believe he stands a much better chance now than he would have before.

Aha, thanks! Anyway, her only chance in my opinion is in the first two scenarios and maybe could beat him. But since this is Doom, probably him. In 3rd no chance.

hmmm

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
I don't think he knew much about comics. Even for as non-offensive as that really is to begin with, I didn't mean that as an insult.

if you didnt meant it as offense, it was best not to say it at all.

Seriously though, which scenario does she win in your honest opinion?

Originally posted by stormfront
if you didnt meant it as offense, it was best not to say it at all.
I disagree. Some things can be taken multiple ways, some ways hurtful and some not. Did you take offensive to me saying you didn't know much comic book trivia? I should hope not, I really didn't think you would so I posted it. I only added that I didn't mean it offensively because I wanted it to be clear that I didn't hold comic book trivia in such high regards that I would use the lack of it as an insult.

Also, you ain't my mama.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
I disagree. Some things can be taken multiple ways, some ways hurtful and some not. Did you take offensive to me saying you didn't know much comic book trivia? I should hope not, I really didn't think you would so I posted it. I only added that I didn't mean it offensively because I wanted it to be clear that I didn't hold comic book trivia in such high regards that I would use the lack of it as an insult.

Also, you ain't my mama.

im not trying to be yo mama lol.

all i was sayin is, for the sake of keeping the peace. it would have been better not to say that at all.. but really its no problem..

Doom wins all three now.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Doom wins all three now.

are your just trying to bring this thread back from the dead???

I suppose in a way, I'm in a big Doom phase since his new upgrade so I'm looking for all of my old Doom threads.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I suppose in a way, I'm in a big Doom phase since his new upgrade so I'm looking for all of my old Doom threads.

oh ok, cool lol