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Victor from XMOW versus Lucian from "Underworld".

Who takes this fight?

Hmm......Gotta think on this one.

i will get back to you for my answer

Wait, Lucian can go in lycan form, he pwns.

I think it's possible that Creed may have the edge in strength, but the thing is that Lucian has more experience as a fighter by him being much older. It's quite possible he could take the fight without even transforming, or he could get pwned, transform, and then put up much more of a fight.

Mhm. Pretty much.

Lucian has more strength in human and lycan form, plus he's faster, and is a better fighter, the only thing that gives Creed a few minutes in this fight is his HF.

Whoa, I missed where he said Creed has the edge in strength, wtf....

Haven't Victor like Wolverine been part of like every major conflict? If that is the case I would say that they would seem equally experienced to me.

Seen what Victors claws can do, I gotta give the edge to him. Plus, he can give Wolverine a beat down and I don't see Lucian beating Wolverine. Btw, is this XM1 Victor or Orgins?

yes XMOW (X-Men Origins Wolverine)

Lucian's claws eviscerate people, and leave chunks of them missing. Victor can leave some scratches and poke holes in you.

And Victor beat Logan when he had his bone claws, once he had the adamantium, and was ready to kill him, Victor went down hard and fast.

Lucian would pwn Wolverine, except for the adamantium, he could ko him.

And let's not forget Lucian's speed advantage, he kept up with a car. And as for strength, he was stronger than Raze, who killed a full lycan with his bare hands while he was still human.

Lucian in fact chased down the car.

Originally posted by KingD19
Victor can leave some scratches and poke holes in you.


I'm pretty sure he could rip your heart straight out if he wanted to.

He shredded the hood of a car like cardboard.

Lucian can do the same thing to normal people. Creed can't do something like that against Lucian. That's where it counts. Lucian on the other hand, can manhandle Creed.

Lucian wins this, the only question is will he have to go Lycan to do so.

Originally posted by KingD19
once he had the adamantium, and was ready to kill him, Victor went down hard and fast.


Man Sabretooth from the X-men should be allowed to make it more even.

Sabretooth had insane damage soak in the first film.

- Stabbed by 6 adamantium Claws in the chest
- Struck by lightning

Recovered very quickly from both.

He recovered quick in the Origins movie too, he just wasn't shown to be as strong, though he was faster.

Originally posted by KingD19
Lucian's claws eviscerate people, and leave chunks of them missing. Victor can leave some scratches and poke holes in you.They can also decapitate bears and shred metal

Lucian was beating an elder vampire w/o even transforming.

That's badass.

^Exactly

That didn't make much sense to me...

In the first Underworld Viktor was treated like some sort of "boogieman" by Lucian that would be impossible to defeat without a Hybrid...Yet he beats and almost kills him in the new movie.

It is possible Viktor was much stronger with his greater age, but should the same not be for Lucian as well? Or is that rule different for Lycans?

He was probably frightened of him because he thought he killed him in the prequel, then he reappeared, stronger and apparently no worse for wear.

And all the immortal creatures get stronger with age and training.

Originally posted by NemeBro
That didn't make much sense to me...

In the first Underworld Viktor was treated like some sort of "boogieman" by Lucian that would be impossible to defeat without a Hybrid...Yet he beats and almost kills him in the new movie.

It is possible Viktor was much stronger with his greater age, but should the same not be for Lucian as well? Or is that rule different for Lycans?
He didn't want the hybrid to beat victor. He actually didn't origionally plan on victor being awake. He only wanted the hybrid to unite them. He wanted the fighting to stop. Lucian only died because he knew he was pwnage and didn't even think that craven had a new gun with liquid silver. So it never entered his head that turning his back on the ****er would come back to bite him in the ass.

Originally posted by NemeBro
That didn't make much sense to me...

In the first Underworld Viktor was treated like some sort of "boogieman" by Lucian that would be impossible to defeat without a Hybrid...Yet he beats and almost kills him in the new movie.

It is possible Viktor was much stronger with his greater age, but should the same not be for Lucian as well? Or is that rule different for Lycans? I am pretty sure it works the same for Lycans.

Sabretooth should really be allowed the feats from Origins and X1, considering it's the same character and he doesn't improve mutant powers-wise with age.

I thought that was a given here.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I am pretty sure it works the same for Lycans.

It does, it's the reason Lucian and the giant-negro didn't go down from a few silver rounds, while the 'younger' werewolves did.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I thought that was a given here.

In that case, Sabretooth is likely stronger, as he swung a large tree like it was a baseball bat. He's also likely more durable.

Originally posted by omgchos
He didn't want the hybrid to beat victor. He actually didn't origionally plan on victor being awake. He only wanted the hybrid to unite them. He wanted the fighting to stop. Lucian only died because he knew he was pwnage and didn't even think that craven had a new gun with liquid silver. So it never entered his head that turning his back on the ****er would come back to bite him in the ass. But he then remarks that they could not defeat Viktor.

He probably thought he would do the same thing. Retreat, heal, come back stronger.

Na, it was just shitty writing from shitty written movies.

Yeah, more than likely.

Nah, not shitty written movies....just that some of the smaller brained individuals can't understand what's happening.

In any case, Lucian wanted a hybrid to both end the war and likely defeat Viktor.

Originally posted by NemeBro
But he then remarks that they could not defeat Viktor.
He never said that, he said to Kraven that he needed to grow some balls. Then he picked up a UV gun and headed into the fray, only to be betrayed. At one poinr tho he did say something about if victor was so easy to dispatch Kraven would have done it himself years ago. Tho i have to say you may be right about the age thing. Cuz not even Hybrid Micheal could beat Victor, tho he hadn't been one for that long.

Ok ppl time to lay it down for you i'll start with super hero vs a lycan please dont make me laugh the lycan has no chance what so ever are you really considering the fact that Lucian has more experience in fighting then Creed??? are you out of your ****ing minds??? you tell me the last time Lucian fought a super hero, all super hero's do is fight other super hero's the experience by far goes to creed/Sabertooth. now as far as age goes you can through that right out the window Super Heros dont need age to become stronger they train for that which brings me to another point Xmen have a training facility that can train them for any situation nuff said about that. now lets take in the abilities of Sabertooth cause i think alot of you think of him as a wolf which you couldn't be more wrong he is alot more like a sabertooth tiger hence the name. now with that said anyone notice how he tracked, caught up with and stopped wolverine and rogue? they were driving for quite some time and he got infront of them to setup a road block in which he pull a frozen ****ing tree out of a frozen ground and put it in the damn road so i think his strength is more then enough. then ambushed wolverine which is what he does fyi damn near impossible to ambush wolverine unless your sabertooth. also he did that on foot. so your claim to Lucian being faster then Sabertooth is out the window. matter of fact only thing Lucian would find when dealing with Sabertooth is that he is no longer the hunter. one more Lucian isn't made of steel he is flesh and bone and if he did get ambushed by sabertooth he wouldn't have a chance i doubt he would even make it to the change.

Marcus is the original vampire and would be more powerful than Viktor. Did Lucian realize that...I honestly can't remember. I remember that Viktor spread the lie that he was the first vamp, but I'm not sure if Lucian knew the actual truth about that or not. It seems to me that he must have known that William and Marcus were brothers.

and no mutant powers to not increase with age thats just knowledge of fighting experience but they do change when something dramatic happens to them death, serious injury stuff like that there mutant powers change to do what ever is necessary to keep its host alive.

also marcus is not the original vampire he had a father in which he killed only cause the father couldn't kill his own son.

Originally posted by stadt101
also marcus is not the original vampire he had a father in which he killed only cause the father couldn't kill his own son.


Marcus' father was not a vamp..he was only immortal. William, being bitten by a wolf, was the first Lycan...Marcus, being bitten by a bat, was the first vamp.

Lucian rips him apart.

Sdadt101...your theories make me laugh. Lucian wins.

Let's not forget Lycans were slamming the shit out of SUV's.

I'm down with the King in this one.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Marcus' father was not a vamp..he was only immortal. William, being bitten by a wolf, was the first Lycan...Marcus, being bitten by a bat, was the first vamp.

true story but marcus's father was the only one that could stop marcus which WAS A VAMPIRE not a werewolf, everyone was focused on marcus not william yeah they didn't want him free but he was easily taken out of the picture by vampires only macrus wanted his brother free not ever his own father wanted william free and if no one payed attention marcus bowed to Viktor decision and let his brother be shackled and held capter.

by the way what did you think of my hypotheses of Sabertooth vs Lucian?

only thing i'm confused of is my theories? lol umm there true facts so if you have nothing other then a laugh then please do yourself a joint, chill, and please read cause you obviously dont know shit about comics scrub.

@kingD19 i'm guessing your only 19 so you would'nt have much on the 90's comics so thats were my info comes from you movie going ***** you see afew movies and think you know something lol please. if you knew anything about a sabertooth and a werewolf lol you might have a different opinion but you dont. stick to your whats new crap lol i bet you went and seen that new homo werewolf vamp movie and LIKED IT, lol get off the set scrub you dont know what your talkin about.

Originally posted by stadt101
@kingD19 i'm guessing your only 19 so you would'nt have much on the 90's comics so thats were my info comes from you movie going ***** you see afew movies and think you know something lol please. if you knew anything about a sabertooth and a werewolf lol you might have a different opinion but you dont. stick to your whats new crap lol i bet you went and seen that new homo werewolf vamp movie and LIKED IT, lol get off the set scrub you dont know what your talkin about.

Okay, let's get one thing straight...this is the movie vs forum, we don't bring comic feats here, that's why it's the movie vs forum.

I know full well what comic Sabretooth is capable of, and he would take down a whole pack of werewolves with no effort.

Mutant powers don't evolve to keep the host alive....only a few do that. Cyclops optic beams to turn him to pure energy if he gets his head cut off.

As for Lucian being made of flesh and bone, Selene, a vampire fell from at least 10-20 stories, landed on her feet and got up like it was nothing. Werewolves are much denser than vampires, I'm pretty sure Lucian can take damage....and his healing factor is insane, the lower werewolves were healing while they were fighting each other in the 1st movie.

Don't get in an argument with me son, you will lose.

Oh, and calling me a b*tch, real mature. Shows everybody here how awesome you are...OOOH I CAN CALL SOMEBODY A B*TCH CUZ THEY HURT MA FEELINS!!! GET ER DONE!!!!

ok sorry bout the ***** comment that was unnecessary swearing is just part of my vocab mybad. but this is a forum of Lucian vs Creed and that is Sabertooth so why wouldn't you use sabertooths feats, abilities, and achievements? what i'm tryin to get at is alot of ppl dont know Sabertooth, only from the Xmen Movies which are very inaccurate to the comic. i'm just going to leave it with this Sabertooth can detect and sound up to or over 3 miles away he can focus on that sound and clear out the rest of the noise around him. Selena got right next to Lucian when they were fighting in the sewer's shit she was right under all of them and none of them smelled, heard or detected her pressence in anyway. theres no way anyone one or thing is getting that close to Sabertooth unless he wants you that close and if thats the case then you are no longer the hunter you are now the hunted.

I know full well what Comic Sabretooth can do...but if you wanna argue about Comic Sabretooth, go to the Comic vs Forum. This is the movie vs forum, so movie feats only..meaning Creed from Origins and X-Men 1 only.

Not sure who'd win, they're similar, claws, speed, healing factor.

Who's stronger? Creed shredded a car hood with one finger like it was paper and picked a truck trunk off Logan.

What did Lucian do?

Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure who'd win, they're similar, claws, speed, healing factor.

Who's stronger? Creed shredded a car hood with one finger like it was paper and picked a truck trunk off Logan.

What did Lucian do?

A much younger werewolf than Lucian bull rushed an SUV and knocked it off the road. I don't think Creed could do that.

And seeing as how Werewolves and Vamps get more powerful with age in Underworld, at the time of Underworld 1, Lucian was hundreds of years old....he could probably pull some crazy feats off, more than Sabretooth I'm guessing.

While I agree overall, we have to go with screen feats. What was the greatest feat of strength done by the werewolves? The pushing of the SUV?

idk i'm not going to dummy down Sabertooth abilities so Lucian can have the edge the Movie gave Sabertooth no justice at all cept for the part when he tracked Wolverine and Rogue down. thats just stupid lets take a comic character and strip him of his Strong points and throw him in against a full powered Lucian. bleh.

Hmmmm, when they ran on the walls they were ripping up concrete.

Pushing an SUV off the road.

I remember the original werewolves outpaced horses.

Lucian caught up with that car in the first one.

I'm not sure if they showed anymore than that...but going by some of the feats of the vampires....who are physically weaker than the werewolves...they are up there.

^

Are you Hewhoknowsall?

Either way, this is the Movie Vs. forum; that how it works. If you want to discuss comic-book Sabretooth fighting someone, there's a forum for that; I suggest you go there.

Originally posted by Robtard
^

Are you Hewhoknowsall?

Either way, this is the Movie Vs. forum; that how it works. If you want to discuss comic-book Sabretooth fighting someone, there's a forum for that; I suggest you go there.

I told him that like 4 times.

Originally posted by stadt101
idk i'm not going to dummy down Sabertooth abilities so Lucian can have the edge the Movie gave Sabertooth no justice at all cept for the part when he tracked Wolverine and Rogue down. thats just stupid lets take a comic character and strip him of his Strong points and throw him in against a full powered Lucian. bleh.

Gonna be repetitive, but two things:

1) As others have said, this is a movie VS forum, there's already a comics VS forum to debate characters.

2) The opening post states which version of the character is being used, so that settles that part of the argument.

I get what you mean, but that's just the way it is.

Also, I don't know if anyone can tie this version of Sabertooth with the version from the first X-Men movie, as those are obviously two VERY different characters. You can blame the people behind X-Men Origins for their lack of continuity.

Agreed. Admittedly, I was expecting the interpretation of Creed in Origins to be similar to the first X-Men movie whether Tyler Mane was in the role or not.

But as far as this is concerned, I don't forsee Lucian ripping Creed apart. Afterall, he has a healing factor.

Originally posted by Davis Bloome
Agreed. Admittedly, I was expecting the interpretation of Creed in Origins to be similar to the first X-Men movie whether Tyler Mane was in the role or not.

But as far as this is concerned, I don't forsee Lucian ripping Creed apart. Afterall, he has a healing factor.

A healing factor doesn't keep you from getting torn to shreds by a super strong werewolf.

The problem is you only have the latest Underworld really to go by for feats. While he kicked the shit out of Victor and every other vampire he came across I don't see him doing that to Creed. In the first Underworld he didn't really do much at all which is well a shame. Feat wise in X-Men and Origins, Creed showed more I'd say. Just my opinion though.

^ Feats by other Lycans should be permitted for him IMO, since its implied he is the superior Lycan, except for William.

^ I do agree and I think we all know he's probably the strongest Ware besides William and Raze, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut we can't go off common sense and lore a lot since it's feats only yeah? This has worked against me a few times in threads so I feel your pain bro.

Originally posted by Kaibs
... buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut we can't go off common sense and lore a lot since it's feats only yeah? This has worked against me a few times in threads so I feel your pain bro.

I guess it all depends on the situation. There probably shouldn't be a hard and fast rule, but based on on common sense and rationality. But then again, people will abuse it and thats probably why the rule is there in the first place.

A mod making a call on each case might work, but theres only Impediment and he can't go through all of them so...

Anyway, back to the topic, I think either can win, both can impale the other. If it comes down to swipe for swipe, Sabretooth will probably do more damage with his claws, but Lucian is stronger and his blows more forceful.

I was debating Vampires vs Werewolves in general with some people recently and a feat came up where a random Lycan in Underworld (1) powered through a concrete wall, that was quite impressive.

I'd lean towards Sabretooth if X-men 1 feats are allowed.

I don't see why X 1 Feats wouldn't be allowed as they're the same person technically so they're canon. And yeah I remember the random lycans doing actually a lot of decent feats in the movies, but they weren't Lucian unfortunately.

And yes I do agree that a mod making the call for each case being the best choice however I also know that Imp wouldn't be able to do every thread like you said too so that kind of is out the window.

Back on topic I agree that Sabretooth would win, but not by much.

I honestly don't see why it has to be Lucian.

A lycan performed the feat, while in lycan form. And all of those lycans were far weaker than Lucian......if a young lycan can do it, Lucian can do it and better.

So even without feats from him, we know that if a young lycan barreled through a wall, Lucian can do at least that.

Originally posted by Kaibs
I don't see why X 1 Feats wouldn't be allowed as they're the same person technically so they're canon. And yeah I remember the random lycans doing actually a lot of decent feats in the movies, but they weren't Lucian unfortunately.

And yes I do agree that a mod making the call for each case being the best choice however I also know that Imp wouldn't be able to do every thread like you said too so that kind of is out the window.

Back on topic I agree that Sabretooth would win, but not by much. XI, the first movie? Or Origins?

Originally posted by KingD19
I honestly don't see why it has to be Lucian.

A lycan performed the feat, while in lycan form. And all of those lycans were far weaker than Lucian......if a young lycan can do it, Lucian can do it and better.

So even without feats from him, we know that if a young lycan barreled through a wall, Lucian can do at least that.

Now see that would be using logic and common sense, and a lot of that doesn't get used round these parts lol. But yes I totally agree, but with forum vs rules applied it's not applicable.

omgchos
He didn't want the hybrid to beat victor.

Yes, actually, he did.

Kraven: "How do you expect me to assume control now that Viktor's awake? There's no defeating him. He grows stronger as we speak."

Lucian: "And that is precisely why I need Michael."

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For whatever reason, between the Rise of the Lycans and the first Underworld movie, Lucian operated under the opinion that he was no match for Viktor in a fight.

This isn't entirely unbelievable: Viktor isn't a superb fighter like Lucian, but does seem to enjoy a clear advantage in raw physical ability.

Originally posted by KingD19
I honestly don't see why it has to be Lucian.

A lycan performed the feat, while in lycan form. And all of those lycans were far weaker than Lucian......if a young lycan can do it, Lucian can do it and better.

So even without feats from him, we know that if a young lycan barreled through a wall, Lucian can do at least that.

Thank you, you just made my point if all the mutants in the X-men movies had all there strengths and feats which when i think about it they all did, then why cant Sabertooth? the only reason why they didn't use him alot in the 1st movie is cause he was EXACTLY who Sabertooth was and which is very unappealing to the public that doesn't know who he really is, for 1 he doesn't have much to say 2 hes an assassin that only works alone.

Origins Creed would get completely outclassed by Lucian. Lucian's already strong, fast and agile enough to keep up with Origins Creed without going into Werewolf form. And frankly, he's quite obviously a better fighter too.

Aside from that he looks like he has a better healing factor than Origins Creed who... was really kinda pathetic in all honesty.


X1 Tooth has a much better chance at taking a win or two but I hesitate to give him a majority either.

And yeah, you really should allow Lucian the feats of all Lycan's underneath him. He's the strongest of the Lycans, it doesn't make sense to abandon the feats of his underlings and be willfully ignorant.